The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:18 pm I think Michelle is the more "logical" vote, but a vibe is a vibe. Bereft is more confident about this than anyone else about either wagon. So.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:13 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 10:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:52 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:06 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:04 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 am And if you think that "pairs us", oh well

Actually, I think the opposite. From what I know of SVS I really don't think she'd use a teammate's irl availability to shield her.

I think that’s NAI (individually and interactively).

Why do you think it's NAI?

A lot of my stronger town tells are because I don't think the person would even have the thought as mafia.

I think that was one of those moments where Michelle said reasoning mafia wouldn't even think of. I don't see Michelle as someone who has as in-depth reasoning as scum and absolutely would make that kind of read as a snap take and leave it. The fact that she considered all this history with this read in particular, an easy townread on the scariest player in the game, I think is something scum Michelle wouldn't do. It's the kind of read that would be an afterthought as scum.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

I think S~V~s has a general policy that she will endorse no matter who it is (and she's probably a bit more likely still with oldschooler posters like LoRab). I don't think it matters what alignment either of them are. It's part of her game philosophy.

The primary reason I don't share your confidence about that Michelle read is that I know with certainty that I have provided explanations like that as mafia. Mafia can definitely think of it, and indeed that's something I may even emphasize as mafia. Sometimes a narrative is sellable as a story, and you can be sure that I will capitalize on that as a wolf. I don't know really if that's in Michelle's playbook, but I know it's in mine. I am sure she is telling the truth, but I don't think it means much.

I'm also looking at it from the POV of Michelle specifically. She fooled me as a spectator and I looked at that scum game to find ways to read her, and I found that she was a bit more one-sided and oriented to survive. I don't think she would think of that as mafia and I also think her approach to the game would be different. More picking a target and pushing it, like continuing the OMGUS of you the whole time or picking someone else for the day.

The desire to survivie is not AI per se
Speccing a game =/= playing and you should know it

Also don't you know I am fighting for my life as town?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:52 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:06 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:04 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 am And if you think that "pairs us", oh well

Actually, I think the opposite. From what I know of SVS I really don't think she'd use a teammate's irl availability to shield her.

I think that’s NAI (individually and interactively).

Why do you think it's NAI?

A lot of my stronger town tells are because I don't think the person would even have the thought as mafia.

I think that was one of those moments where Michelle said reasoning mafia wouldn't even think of. I don't see Michelle as someone who has as in-depth reasoning as scum and absolutely would make that kind of read as a snap take and leave it. The fact that she considered all this history with this read in particular, an easy townread on the scariest player in the game, I think is something scum Michelle wouldn't do. It's the kind of read that would be an afterthought as scum.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

I think S~V~s has a general policy that she will endorse no matter who it is (and she's probably a bit more likely still with oldschooler posters like LoRab). I don't think it matters what alignment either of them are. It's part of her game philosophy.

The primary reason I don't share your confidence about that Michelle read is that I know with certainty that I have provided explanations like that as mafia. Mafia can definitely think of it, and indeed that's something I may even emphasize as mafia. Sometimes a narrative is sellable as a story, and you can be sure that I will capitalize on that as a wolf. I don't know really if that's in Michelle's playbook, but I know it's in mine. I am sure she is telling the truth, but I don't think it means much.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:53 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:50 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:47 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:39 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

Can you talk to me about your reads? I feel like we have a lot in common with our reads and our process.

If Michelle's town, I'd suspect Abi and LoRab first, but I can still see wolf Scotty trying to start a Bereft wagon. If Michelle's wolf, Scotty is even more sus to me and I might consider DM in that world too.

Wait, why is Scotty more sus if Michelle is wolf?

Because of the vote on you. I think it makes sense from someone trying to save a teammate more than it makes sense from someone trying to start another town option.

Ah. I have no clue what the votecount looked like at the time, but I would assume LoRab was on the board which would be my reflex counter.

Idk, I thought about it more and I just do not understand the Scotty curse. Its not a mafia frame because theres just no point. There's no way mafia targeted J³ for the kill, and so they knew he was going to push Michelle today, whats the point of framing Scotty.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:55 pm Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:47 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:39 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

Can you talk to me about your reads? I feel like we have a lot in common with our reads and our process.

If Michelle's town, I'd suspect Abi and LoRab first, but I can still see wolf Scotty trying to start a Bereft wagon. If Michelle's wolf, Scotty is even more sus to me and I might consider DM in that world too.

Wait, why is Scotty more sus if Michelle is wolf?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:06 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:04 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 am And if you think that "pairs us", oh well

Actually, I think the opposite. From what I know of SVS I really don't think she'd use a teammate's irl availability to shield her.

I think that’s NAI (individually and interactively).

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:36 pm I just remembered some more long-ago Bereft posts that reaffirmed my confidence in him, which extends my confidence in robyn, which extends my confidence in my other four primary town reads (Wilgy, Rondo, Cape, DM). That helps my current state of mind. I still think this POE is just good. I hope we can start to prove it today, but even if not, there's so much that supports this direction. Whatever happens happens.

I am writing this mostly for myself, but here have a pick-me up anyone else if you like.

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:33 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:19 pm

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm This game is frustrating because only Rondo has the same idea as me on something, and Robyn doesn't even though I thought they did, but its whatever.

you were gonna destroy jjj tmw if michelle town?

Ffs.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:32 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:27 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:25 pm Honestly, I don't even know what to think anymore. I'm exhausted and I feel like a lot of pieces don't make sense. I want to stop staring at the thread hoping some solve will click, because every time I feel like it does I doubt it later.

There's a psychological phenomenon called "incubation" that suggests creative human problem solving can be aided by taking some time away from a problem to think about other things before returning to it (this can break us out of preconception and confirmation bias).

However, I think that's probably what the night phase is for.

Yeah I'm going to keep going until EoD but I'm feeling really burnt out. I was relieved EoD wasn't here at first because I was nervous for the flip, but now I realize just how much my brain was expecting a break.

funnily enough i had a dream about eod when i fell asleep where lorab just flipped mafia and i was all happy. then i wake up, check my phone, still expecting a lorab red flip and boom the game is going on here and i am once again playing a hard game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:27 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:25 pm Honestly, I don't even know what to think anymore. I'm exhausted and I feel like a lot of pieces don't make sense. I want to stop staring at the thread hoping some solve will click, because every time I feel like it does I doubt it later.

There's a psychological phenomenon called "incubation" that suggests creative human problem solving can be aided by taking some time away from a problem to think about other things before returning to it (this can break us out of preconception and confirmation bias).

However, I think that's probably what the night phase is for.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:16 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:14 pm I feel quite a bit better about Rondo now. Him giving up his solve and reconsidering I think is towny for him and unnecessary if he's wolf.

If Ender was here he would tell you be careful

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:58 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:58 pm Be more open-minded to different approaches to town play. Just because you don't understand them, does not make them any less valid or correct.

...

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:52 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:50 pm I really don't like DM's vote.

What about mine? I also monkeyed BouncingBananaBat

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:51 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:50 pm I really don't like DM's vote.

I wanna pressure Bereft.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:43 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:23 pm @Thunal33 if you town read S~V~S and Michelle, then given our prior dialogue about what you described as "our POE":

[Michelle, S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, ts account, Abigail]

Your team theory would have to be exactly the last four names. Is that where you are? That doesn't strike me as a comfortable game state, but you seem comfortable to me.

I still think that PoE has at least two mafia and likely three.

I don't think the game is super easy, but I don't think it's impossibly hard either. I do think town is controlling the thread and I like to assume easier worlds first.

Who do you think are the most likely mafia not in that group?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:42 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:35 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:10 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:48 pm fwiw I have a bit of paranoia about Abi since when we've played as t/t I've found her solid town by now. When you take out her pushing Jay I feel like she hasn't done some of the trademarks I've seen from town Abi. Like she seemed less invested in the chop than I've seen her be before. I'd expect her to take a stronger stance on not killing a 0 poster.

You've seen me maf too

When have I been less invested in a chop as mafia

When have you seen me not hard pocket you as mafia

When have you seen me a cautious and very self aware wolf go hard after the best player in the game as mafia I can just N1 them and go kill someone easy.

I actually haven't played in a game when you were mafia. I looked a bit at one of your wolf games at one point and my impression was that you were flatter and more filtered.

I did think your JJJ push was a slightly good look, but I feel like there's not much else going for you atp. You do chaotic plays as town and I can easily see you doing chaotic plays as mafia too.

I'm Zenon/ Princess Neon

I'm like 90% sure I've wolfed against you and pocketed you

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:23 pm @Thunal33 if you town read S~V~S and Michelle, then given our prior dialogue about what you described as "our POE":

[Michelle, S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, ts account, Abigail]

Your team theory would have to be exactly the last four names. Is that where you are? That doesn't strike me as a comfortable game state, but you seem comfortable to me.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:24 pm I didn't think that way, it's just game experience.

Why do you vote Lorab?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 11:31 am The amount of people including me in their town reads reeks of agenda.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 9:55 am And if you think that "pairs us", oh well

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:58 pm

Spoiler: show

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:53 am Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...

Abigails Rad Ass Reads List

Reads List Brought to you By Tomoyo Daidouji

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬ -

Imagine being the most towny town to ever town

‪Bereft‬ -

Okay so imagine right. Imagine you town read Bereft off Robyn's TR because it's the easy thing to do but than when you start paying attention you realize something. Bereft is a shell of the Bereft I remember in Nooks mafia league game when I like changed my whole style of reading mafia because of something he said. There his reads were thought provoking but he didn't just surface level them. He was the only one besides me who defended Rem because like she was playing too dumb to be a wolf. But here is like Abbi is wolfy when in reality I feel like he should be able to look deeper at my play like he did there with Rem. I feel like he's taking the easy route. The route that allows him to move fluidly to the easiest kill without drawing suspicion.

‪Cape90‬ -

So not gonna lie part of this is just like I think the wolf world I'm settling into is like never compatible with Cape. I want them to answer me about their read on me but I think the way they are pushing back against consensus is pretty towny because it feels like genuine solving

‪DarlingMonroe‬ -

I really wanted DM to be towny but they dropped like one post that was pretty meh than dipped. No real takes on anyone. Half the players are solidly null like they are afraid to take a stand. Just...mid.

‪DrWilgy‬ -

Vibes. But also like there's a few micro tells I have for Wilgy he's hit in how he posts as town and how he solves

‪JaggedJimmyJay‬ -

I feel like...J3 is actively flooding the thread in a way that LOOKS beneficial to town but is actually extremely harmful to town. Okay so imagine a town of like Wilgy SVS DM fuck even me. We are so far behind that flooding the thread means we can never have a full picture of the game. If the team is Robyn and J3 than like... fuck and if it's Robyn J3 Bereft straight GGs they have successfully flooded out all of town.

In effect I also just don't find J3s attitude of "I've solved the game" too match the thread state and I think his solving is easily faked by him and not as great as everyone thinks. I feel like his paired teams are just like... surface level reads that feel hollow

‪LoRab‬ -

I don't remember any of their posts

‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

‪robyn‬ -

I feel like Robyn is hyping up them and J3 carrying this game but I can't remember anything Robyn has contributed besides chopping an AFK towny to save an lhf towny EoD1... maybe and like posting a bunch of nothing. Which reminds me of the game we just played where Robyn was wolf and did not try to actively solve until they were on the block

‪RondoDimBuckle‬ -

Rondo is just unhinged hyper crazy town Rondo and his holier than thou listen to me I solved the game attitude never comes from wolf

‪Scotty‬ -

I think that their day 1 was bad and I can't get over it and I think this posting gimmick is always used onto a wolf that's in the PoE to make them look townier.

Tell me now what wolf team doesn't gimmick Bereft Robyn J3 fuck even Thunal or Me over PoEd Scotty if your gonna target a town. Like you rather the loud voices and make them harder to understand.

‪S~V~S‬ -

A couple towny posts day 1 that got this read snowballing and hit home with me. I think the attitude and frustration is always from town in the posts I'm thinking of. Could use them being around today though to lock this in stone cold.

‪Thunal33‬ -

Their entrance today was badge but their push on me makes... more sense than Robyn's and Berefts. Meh.

‪not reading ts account

Town Core

Rondo
SVS
Cape
Wilgy
Michelle

Game is fucking hard anyone acting like it's not is...nagl

nvm about my question to Abi, I didn't see the list.

I feel like Abi is a wolf only if JJJ's PoE is correct or at least very close. The thing that easily sticks out to me is the JJJ read and how she believes the game is hard. She doesn't have a lot of concrete reasons for JJJ's work to be bad, she just thinks it is and thinks its surface level. If the game isn't hard and is actually really good for town, I can see wolf Abi trying to discredit JJJ's solving and push back against a correct PoE.

But if the PoE is good for wolves, there's no reason to lash out like that or talk about how hard the game is when nobody else is doing that. I think town Abi could also believe the game is hard and I don't think it's wolfy for her in a vacuum.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:52 am I'm tinfoiling a you/JJJ possibly Bereft and Thunal team that just decided to power wolf this game to death

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:25 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:45 pm When I played with Abi as t/t she had extremely strong stances on who not to chop. She was willing to fight me and others when we voted her townreads and was extremely confident. The difference is bigger than I thought when I looked at her meta.

From another game:

Spoiler: show

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:27 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:25 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:22 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:20 pm I also think now is not the time to tinfoil Abi and she's said some borderline clearing things during her fight with leetic.

At least someone gets it

Honestly you should kill me today though

No. Rn I want to kill Wilgy today.

Mmm yikes. Wilgy is like a really bad kill here.

They haven't been playing wolfy their play makes no sense from a wolf perspective the only reason they are PoEd is cause they are slanky and barely there but is that really wolfy? The way they are slanking is just town who can't be assed

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:05 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:00 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 1:48 pm Cook the goose!

Boil the duck!

Pepper the chicken!

Nice wagon you're joining. What will you do when I flip town?

Probably cry a little.

Maybe eat dinner. EoD is around that time.

Then look at your reads and see if they take me somewhere.

Oh also figure out who started the wagon on you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:21 pm Jack is the first person to defend me from a fake red check. I don't know if I should be happy or concerned

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:45 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:32 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 3:27 pm

Oh.

Okie dokie. Let's yeet Jack

[VOTE: Jackoftarts] aubergine

I'll join you, better wagon than the current biggest one [VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Hell yeah, let's goooooo

If Jack is town, which I'm leaning that he is, this jump on looks terrible. Wilgy also took some time to say what would happen if leetic flipped town in response to their question isntead of something like "well you were red checked". He knew about the check, but if he didn't catch up a lot why would he know there was a real chance leetic would flip town?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Pretty sure he was around when I claimed. Also I don't see how this is a jump on when Wilgy voted the wagon first?

Wilgy parking there all phase just doesn't feel wolfy this isn't a wolf play this is town Wilgy not giving a fuck

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:11 am I might legit self vote if it saves Wilgy at EoD

For context, the first two posts were when I was the only one strongly sussing Wilgy.

Compare that with how she treated SVS this game. Abi townread SVS but it felt limp and she didn't do anything to justify that except one post calling Scotty/SVS t/t. SVS caught a lot of heat but she didn't jump to her defense or show she actually cared about that read.

The thing you fail to mention is...I did hard defend SVS and I didn't have a strong stance on either eod wagon so why would I take a hard stance?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:48 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:09 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:40 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:53 am

@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 2:24 am
I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:59 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:56 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 11:20 pm S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:04 am One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.

Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I don't really have any yet, or didn't as of this AM. My posts are a commentary, that's how I develop reads.

You seem a bit more aggro, and less considered, than I tend to associate with you. You're a person who weighs and balances, and this feels kinda the opposite, almost a bit jumpy.

Jay asked me a question about LC, I talked about how I feel about LC. Scotty is freaking me out. It doesn't mean I find any of it AI.

SVS is still town and voting them is still bad

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:10 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:48 pm fwiw I have a bit of paranoia about Abi since when we've played as t/t I've found her solid town by now. When you take out her pushing Jay I feel like she hasn't done some of the trademarks I've seen from town Abi. Like she seemed less invested in the chop than I've seen her be before. I'd expect her to take a stronger stance on not killing a 0 poster.

You've seen me maf too

When have I been less invested in a chop as mafia

When have you seen me not hard pocket you as mafia

When have you seen me a cautious and very self aware wolf go hard after the best player in the game as mafia I can just N1 them and go kill someone easy.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:49 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:15 am If Scotty is mafia, his team has to be exactly…

Wilgy, ts account, Abigail.

I don’t see anything else?

Why me?

Fry me?

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:27 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:59 am Rondo all that “keeping me in check” is omgusing my suspicions after giving me the easiest town read I have ever received.

what do you mean by this? You clearly don't think Thunal is super towny unless i am misinterpreting what you are saying

I was referring to Michelle in that comment. Rondo made an argument for why Michelle's responses to me at EOD1 were towny, and that was my counter.

Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:57 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:54 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:52 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:51 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:45 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:42 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:37 pm

i gave 0 reasoning, you bought my confidence, you've also been referring to your own cape read as sheeping me

One reason was your turnaround between your read on Cape day 1 and your read on Cape day 2.

I also found the read believable myself and thought Cape had towny moments.

but why did you phrase it as sheeping my read, when you are clearly analytical and need reasons for everything, and would have 0 trouble producing good reasons as either alignment

what's your read on scotty rn

I'd rather talk about something else.

I scumlean Scotty. I feel like he spent a lot of his time trying to appease SVS and there were a couple reads that felt forced from him.

mechanically if targeted by mafia he's town, no?

why do you wanna talk about something else?

He could curse himself or fake having it. I've actually done it myself in The Emperor's Soul where I had a self-imposed postcap.

what cycle did you do it in

also svs stands at serious risk of being hard tunneled by scotty this cycle, no?