The Syndicate

Good game everyone.

Tbh I almost snapvoted Long Con exactly to prevent Abi snapvoting Epi, but then I talked myself into one of Abi/Epi being a misclear so I didn't do it. Let's see if that was a bad decision.

Vote seen.

I need to totally reset today.

Thanks mafia for killing Falcon. I suspected him overnight so if you didn't kill me I'm glad you killed him.

I haven't been this wrong in a mafia game for quite awhile and I'm trying to stay calm about it. I haven't been really surprised by a mafia team reveal since last year and no matter who the mafia are here I will be genuinely surprised. Extremely well played.

I was getting confident in my SVS/Abi/Epi clears and obviously at least one is wrong.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:47 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 4:38 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:08 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:06 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.
@Roxy Town S~V~S would rather vote who she thinks is bad and go down with her head held high.
I asked to not have to use my brain LC!!!!!!

Damn I hate that I will have to totally re-read SVS today.
But your point is well taken and is true most games I have played with her.
I also don't think Roxy/SVS is the team off this, so add that to my unpairings list. If Roxy is a wolf this looks like Roxy is pivoting to be okay with town SVS dying but without really wanting to get her hands dirty. The teammate version of this would have some shade.

My unpairings list that I'm pretty confident in (I gave reasoning earlier):
SVS/Falcon
Abi/Falcon
Roxy/Abi
Roxy/SVS
I'm pleased you didn't rule out Roxy being teamed with LC. In case Roxy is mafia and I bite it tonight:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:06 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 12:02 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:41 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:40 pm The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing
Why is that convincing to you?
What do you think about a possible Roxy-Abi team?
How about you talk to me about what you see in such a pairing.
Well, it's stuff I already brought up earlier. Roxy's weird EoD vote for Abi, and Abi saying that she hadn't seen it and didn't really care. But I also have a Roxy-S~V~S team idea lingering, given roxy's treatment of the S~V~S suspicion. But that's more teamy stuff.

What's fresh and individual? How about falcon? Twice he has made a push against me with some half-baked notions about my posts.
This is almost as though LC knows Roxy is mafia and is trying to preemptively bag the needed dead civilians to seal the deal.

Nope, I've been tinfoiling that being distancing. They've been at each other on and off but haven't voted each other when it mattered.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:08 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:06 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.
@Roxy Town S~V~S would rather vote who she thinks is bad and go down with her head held high.
I asked to not have to use my brain LC!!!!!!

Damn I hate that I will have to totally re-read SVS today.
But your point is well taken and is true most games I have played with her.

I also don't think Roxy/SVS is the team off this, so add that to my unpairings list. If Roxy is a wolf this looks like Roxy is pivoting to be okay with town SVS dying but without really wanting to get her hands dirty. The teammate version of this would have some shade.

My unpairings list that I'm pretty confident in (I gave reasoning earlier):
SVS/Falcon
Abi/Falcon
Roxy/Abi
Roxy/SVS

Epi
Abi
SVS
Falcon
Long Con
Roxy

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 3:45 pm I'm still thinking over Roxy's strange motobot defense Day 1. It wasn't a defense of the player's alignment. So motobot showing up as a civilian doesn't buy any credibility for an evil Roxy. About the only thing evil Roxy could hope to accomplish with that move is to make moto think he has a fairy godmother looking out for him and thus earn his support. But how much support is motobot going to even be given his lack of activity?

I think if wolf Roxy really thought motobot had a townish vibe and didn't understand the sus on him then she would honestly say that. Not every read a wolf makes is a play.

Long Con trying to poke holes in people's townreads (like mine on Abi and the consensus one on Falcon d1) mildly pings me.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:20 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:52 am Last game she was ride-or-die on Ruri, who ended up winning for the Wolf team. But Abi was Town. When has she been a Wolf?
I don't think I've actually played with wolf Abi but I've seen a couple wolf games on her MU database profile.
I've played a few with her, and I've hosted her. She goes out of her way to avoid teammates imo. When I hosted her, she bussed a teammate, and she barely went to chat. She pretty much ghosted Wilgy iirc. If I'm wrong she'll tell me, and I don't want to go find the chatroom. Only the first game I played where she was wolf do i recall her playing her thread game any different, she mostly posted gifs, ot and , meaning more so than usual, that was ALL she posted.

I don't see either of those here. I have seen her have very very strong townreads for her own reasons that she aggro defends. Sometimes shes right, sometimes she's not. But I don't see her wasting her biggest town tell on a small game like this one.

Slept in and went for a walk this AM, for once it's not the surface of the sun out.

As of right now, or I should say when I read last, not voting Epi, Falcon or Abbi. I explained why last night, not sure what if anything could change my mind there.

That leaves a POE for me of LC, Roxy and Thunal, and I can talk myself into either way about all of them. I am esp conflicted re Thunal; she is being somewhat wishy washy, spreading the sus around, very very much like she did in Se7en. She's talked herself into and out of sussing me like what 3 times? But I can see that she's frustrated, and not sure why that would be the case if bad.

LC's initial push against me seemed odd, he has made some what looks opportunistic to me vote switches, but he does keep coming back to me, plus he can be opportunistic town or not, true chaotic neutral imo.

Roxy was still mostly null to me, I'm not caught up to thought on her tbh. So i have to reread. It's a busy weekend for her I'm sure, and she had that bit of a spat with LC? I'm not actually sure what happened there, just saw the "screw you, I'm going home post".

I try to avoid voting based on interaction with myself, but with this POE that will be imnpossible.

Thanks for the Abi insight.

You're right that I've been wavering a whole lot and I think that's because I had trouble getting suspects that makes sense and I had miscleared someone (and I think that person is Roxy but we shall see). I might just want to take the leap into calling you town because this seems useful and spot on to what I think your insight would be as town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:52 am Last game she was ride-or-die on Ruri, who ended up winning for the Wolf team. But Abi was Town. When has she been a Wolf?

I don't think I've actually played with wolf Abi but I've seen a couple wolf games on her MU database profile.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:48 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 01, 2024 10:45 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:41 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:40 pm The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing
Why is that convincing to you?
It would be really bold if Abi/SVS were the team and I don't think wolf Abi would so strongly shield town SVS at her own expense. Every time I've seen Abi townread someone so strongly she would self vote she's been town.
How accurate is her shielding?

It's sometimes right but not always.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:41 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:40 pm The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing
Why is that convincing to you?

It would be really bold if Abi/SVS were the team and I don't think wolf Abi would so strongly shield town SVS at her own expense. Every time I've seen Abi townread someone so strongly she would self vote she's been town.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:55 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:02 pm No take on S~V~S or Long Con.
now this is odd to me. you can read me but not them?

SVS feels town to me
LC1 I am fence sitting as per normal. Same for you.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:08 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:06 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.
@Roxy Town S~V~S would rather vote who she thinks is bad and go down with her head held high.
I asked to not have to use my brain LC!!!!!!

Damn I hate that I will have to totally re-read SVS today.
But your point is well taken and is true most games I have played with her.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:01 pm I voted Pa

Her vote was odd and the only vote I cannot follow the logic.

I'm in the kidney of YaYaLand this is am the time I have. Did not read back on SVS fur total honesty

This whole progression on SVS feels very off to me. Roxy gave SVS a really early town vibe (which in a vacuum looks significantly worse than SVS not having a read on Roxy), but then dropped it after Long Con's point against her. I feel like Roxy dropped her town vibe on SVS too easily. Usually one point doesn't make someone drop a read like that especially on someone Roxy knows very well, and it also happened while SVS was being widely suspected.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Tbh, I do think Falcon has half-baked accusations but that may not be wolfy. I certainly have had many half-baked accusations this game because there's not a lot of info and sometimes we latch onto stuff.

I did look at Top Artists mafia and SVS is right that he's very different but so are the effort levels which can change from game to game. I did notice some differences beyond effort though, like him not being as willing to directly push people in that game. I think the meta skim looks slightly good for him.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:41 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:40 pm The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing
Why is that convincing to you?
What do you think about a possible Roxy-Abi team?

Fwiw, Roxy responding to a correct team suggestion that she'd have to be a horrible player for it to be true almost never happens.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:45 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 1:40 pm Roxy hit the Epi=Town conclusion before you did. Argued with you when you were poking at him. What do you think of her? Looks like she's after Thunal... I don't know if Thunal's flippantness is relaxed Towny or what, but I don't feel Wolfness from it at least.
Roxy calling Epi's sleep vote "towny" was dubious, but I think she looked authentic in her comments about Thunal. The arrow points up, albeit with little real confidence.

Thunal may be the closest I get to a "suspect" right now. That's really stretching the word. But she hasn't engaged the solving process much beyond comments about Epignosis that may no longer be relevant. "I need more"
Saying I called his "sleep" vote town is what is dubious.

You said-

Jay wrote:Your willingness to arrive, tell a story, and place a facetious vote for Sleep without interacting with the existing material left me wanting.
Then I said-

Rox wrote:It left me a town-ish vibe....
So not just the vote - arrive + story + vote for sleep = Town-ish vibe----Not Towny. Just wanted to clarify so maybe in the future you'll be able to read me better.
Glad you thought it authentic (meaning what exactly?) as I was giving as I go vibe/tone feels.

I come back to this and it feels so agreeable for what it is, and for someone who had some sus on JJJ early. Roxy is talking to Jay like she knows he's town here and is being overly nice to him about this.

There are a few unpairings I've noted that I have pretty good confidence in:

SVS/Falcon (based on SVS being confused about my me/Falcon theory and then quickly shooting it down by saying that’s what the chatroom is for)
Abi/Falcon (Abi forgot Falcon was playing and for her I think that’s legit)
Roxy/Abi (based on Roxy's response to Long Con’s Roxy/Abi idea)

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:08 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:06 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.
@Roxy Town S~V~S would rather vote who she thinks is bad and go down with her head held high.
I asked to not have to use my brain LC!!!!!!

Damn I hate that I will have to totally re-read SVS today.
But your point is well taken and is true most games I have played with her.

This post is kind of pingy. It feels dramatic for Roxy announcing she needs to do something that as far as I know didn't actually happen.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:55 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 8:02 pm No take on S~V~S or Long Con.
now this is odd to me. you can read me but not them?

SVS feels town to me
LC1 I am fence sitting as per normal. Same for you.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:08 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:06 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 5:31 am OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.
@Roxy Town S~V~S would rather vote who she thinks is bad and go down with her head held high.
I asked to not have to use my brain LC!!!!!!

Damn I hate that I will have to totally re-read SVS today.
But your point is well taken and is true most games I have played with her.

@Roxy do you still think SVS feels town and did you ever reread or reeval her?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 9:48 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:28 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:15 pm I don't think Long Con is mafia.
Why?
I have a take. I'll hold on to it for now.
How is that helpful to the town finding baddies?
Clue,- it Isn't.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:58 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:46 pm I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.
This is bs. Saying someonee is tired, no get up and go??
Like wtaf??????
I'm inclined to think this aggression is towny.
Why? Being aggro is a fairly common & easy go to strat for Maf

I don't see much case building or conclusions from her recent aggro posts, mainly some pretty surface level questions

Town Roxy is more than capable of building a case, however I'm not seeing it here

It was that specific aggro, caring about if Abi's possible self vote was useful to town and calling my top townread's (Epi's) take BS.

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

I need to think for a bit because again I feel like I'm being very wrong.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:50 pm Also "Fluffy argument"?

I just meant like suspecting or arguing for not real or serious reasons. I was told that was something to look out for early a few years ago by someone who mentored me. Tbh I don't even believe you and Falcon are a team anymore because you shot my reasons down way too easily.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:37 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:10 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:23 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:46 pm I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.
I'm not tired, it's just this is the end of month at work, it falls on a Saturday so long week, and long days with no lunch, plus I'm catsitting this week. I'm just busy. And tbh I didn't actively suspect anyone, so why not? Also Thunal is a rock star; I made that vote 12 hrs before EOD. If she couldn't get out of that, she would deserve to be yeeted.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:46 pm I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.
Exactly. [VOTE: S~v~s] aubergine

I have to look back and see what Roxy said about that.
Roxy said she had to read back on me and she hadn't yet. I am not sure where this noble thing is coming from. Unless you had a recent epiphany on how you read me, like I did on you, you always suspect me for perceived slickness, not lack of nobility. The last place I would expect this argument from is you, and I'm weirdly somewhat flattered that you made it. That and i am still salty about my schedule being used against me. WTF?

Also, fixed your brackets

AND gotta go get ready for work. I will be back in about 12 hours since catsitting, but will be home tonight and all day tomorrow.
Just wanted to say that I don't deserve to be killed if I can't get out of a vote. I've been miskilled before when I was tryharding, even d1, and it's not because I deserve to be killed. Sometimes people are so paranoid of me or hard townread everyone else so I just end up dying because they can't read me. Especially in small games.
It was a compliment; I meant you were in a tie 12 hours before EOD, a good player should be able to get out of that regardless of alignment failing a slip or something. I didn't literally mean that. I'm extremely animated verbally, and i tend to forget that it doesn't come across in writing. I was laughing as I said it.

Me dropping a bullshit vote on you 12 hrs before EOD was not a threat to you was the point I was making to Epi.

K, caught up to the @'s back shortly.
linki, no there's a new one!

Np! Sometimes its hard for me to get jokes or lighthearted comments.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:24 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:40 pm The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing, and Roxy's recent posts renewed some of my confidence in her. I feel pretty good about Epi town as well. So if I take Abi, Roxy, and Epi as town then that leaves Long Con, Falcon, and SVS. I still don't really think Long Con is mafia although my read on him isn't as concrete as I'd like it to be.
Agree re Abi. I wish she would choose not to do so, and i hope no one votes for her to make it even a chance tbh. People play different games, and have different ways of developing reads, She can be extra intuitive, but in an all vanilla game, no one is more valuable than anyone else, so no need to sacrifice for anyone else, either.

Not so much re Long Con, his reasons for sussing me initially were weird, imo. It reminded me of him sussing me for how I showed emphasis in a post like *this* or THIS in a different game.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:31 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:41 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:08 am [VOTE: longcon] aubergine

Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own
I was thinking about either you or Long Con as harder game suspects so this is kind of funny.

Harder game suspects? I'm not sure I understand what you mean

Who are your current Top 2 Maf & Top 2 Town?
At this point? Roxy and Epi for town and you and SVS for mafia. I had a theory that you were a team from your early interaction while I was away.
I think this is the first time I've seen anyone say Falcon is anything but Towny.
He's more falling compared to everyone else, and other than my wayward thought about his very early SVS vote and interaction being distancing I've wondered if he's *too* towny in the sense of putting stuff forward for the thread. Like his reads here (other than proposing me and SVS as a team) have been fairly agreeable and consensus. Even the me/SVS team he defended when questioned and brought up that I wasn't voting for SVS anymore which I don't really associate with his usual tinfoils.
Every time I come in here I'm confused

You have been bad with me several times, the last time was a rather intense game. Do you recall me faux bantering about OT with my teammates for an extended period like with that toast thing on D1? That's what the chat room is for when you're bad. I assume thats the very early interaction you mean? Or overtly defending bad teammates like I did with Falcon when Jay asked?

I need to do alot of rereading, and general catching up. While I have people I won't vote for (Epi, Abi, Falcon) I have no solid reads elsewhere, and need to get srs. I'm off for the weekend so my schedule shouldn't get in my way.

I have to eat dinner, and look at my @'s from earlier, I lost them when I checked in on phone at work.

It's not about OT bantering, it's about that Falcon voted you and you had sort of this fluffy argument. It's something that pings my distancing radar in general (not specifically you) and I've caught w/w pairs off it before.

Can you expand on why you won't vote for Epi, Abi, or Falcon?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 6:00 pm I don't know why it would be a falcon vote over S~V~S for that team, @Thunal33

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

That probably won't be how I end the day, but I wanted to shake things up.

Although if I am wrong somewhere in my three townreads it's probably Roxy. My reads are like:

Epi/Abi
Roxy
Long Con
Falcon/SVS

The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing, and Roxy's recent posts renewed some of my confidence in her. I feel pretty good about Epi town as well. So if I take Abi, Roxy, and Epi as town then that leaves Long Con, Falcon, and SVS. I still don't really think Long Con is mafia although my read on him isn't as concrete as I'd like it to be.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:31 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:41 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:08 am [VOTE: longcon] aubergine

Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own
I was thinking about either you or Long Con as harder game suspects so this is kind of funny.

Harder game suspects? I'm not sure I understand what you mean

Who are your current Top 2 Maf & Top 2 Town?
At this point? Roxy and Epi for town and you and SVS for mafia. I had a theory that you were a team from your early interaction while I was away.
I think this is the first time I've seen anyone say Falcon is anything but Towny.
He's more falling compared to everyone else, and other than my wayward thought about his very early SVS vote and interaction being distancing I've wondered if he's *too* towny in the sense of putting stuff forward for the thread. Like his reads here (other than proposing me and SVS as a team) have been fairly agreeable and consensus. Even the me/SVS team he defended when questioned and brought up that I wasn't voting for SVS anymore which I don't really associate with his usual tinfoils.

Okay I did forget about the Long Con vote here, that was anti-consensus. I still didn't really get the sense he believed that one and it felt flimsy. Tbf I don't think that's always scummy because it's hard to get solid scumreads but it's something.

Eh,

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

If nothing else then to turn the thread in a different direction. I'm not liking the current one.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:41 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:08 am [VOTE: longcon] aubergine

Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own
I was thinking about either you or Long Con as harder game suspects so this is kind of funny.

Harder game suspects? I'm not sure I understand what you mean

Who are your current Top 2 Maf & Top 2 Town?
At this point? Roxy and Epi for town and you and SVS for mafia. I had a theory that you were a team from your early interaction while I was away.
I think this is the first time I've seen anyone say Falcon is anything but Towny.

He's more falling compared to everyone else, and other than my wayward thought about his very early SVS vote and interaction being distancing I've wondered if he's *too* towny in the sense of putting stuff forward for the thread. Like his reads here (other than proposing me and SVS as a team) have been fairly agreeable and consensus. Even the me/SVS team he defended when questioned and brought up that I wasn't voting for SVS anymore which I don't really associate with his usual tinfoils.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:15 pm I don't think Long Con is mafia.
Why?
I have a take. I'll hold on to it for now.
How is that helpful to the town finding baddies?
Clue,- it Isn't.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:58 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:46 pm I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.
This is bs. Saying someonee is tired, no get up and go??
Like wtaf??????

I'm inclined to think this aggression is towny.

I might even put Abi above Roxy.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:08 am [VOTE: longcon] aubergine

Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

I think Long Con is voting on hunches partly to get info, and I believe him about not being serious about Epi.

(also by "harder game suspects" I meant people I'd look at if the consensus PoE was wrong)

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:41 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:08 am [VOTE: longcon] aubergine

Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own
I was thinking about either you or Long Con as harder game suspects so this is kind of funny.

Harder game suspects? I'm not sure I understand what you mean

Who are your current Top 2 Maf & Top 2 Town?

At this point? Roxy and Epi for town and you and SVS for mafia. I had a theory that you were a team from your early interaction while I was away.

I think at least one wolf is outside the consensus PoE/a misclear and it'll probably take a lot of work to get any sense of who it is.

It could be SVS, but I don't think it's Abi.

There's some stuff that I think is town Abi here. Making the observation about how it's unusual she doesn't have townreads I think is somewhat towny, calling JJJ performative I think was somewhat towny, and protecting SVS hard enough she said she'd self vote for her is towny.

Behind the scenes I did some meta stuff on Abi and she's lightly town off that but it's hard to describe. It's like a different flavor of off the cuff where she does say whatever she thinks as wolf but the reads are more to look towny and reasonable.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 11:08 am [VOTE: longcon] aubergine

Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

I was thinking about either you or Long Con as harder game suspects so this is kind of funny.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 5:23 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:46 pm I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.
I'm not tired, it's just this is the end of month at work, it falls on a Saturday so long week, and long days with no lunch, plus I'm catsitting this week. I'm just busy. And tbh I didn't actively suspect anyone, so why not? Also Thunal is a rock star; I made that vote 12 hrs before EOD. If she couldn't get out of that, she would deserve to be yeeted.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 10:46 pm I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.
Exactly. [VOTE: S~v~s] aubergine

I have to look back and see what Roxy said about that.
Roxy said she had to read back on me and she hadn't yet. I am not sure where this noble thing is coming from. Unless you had a recent epiphany on how you read me, like I did on you, you always suspect me for perceived slickness, not lack of nobility. The last place I would expect this argument from is you, and I'm weirdly somewhat flattered that you made it. That and i am still salty about my schedule being used against me. WTF?

Also, fixed your brackets

AND gotta go get ready for work. I will be back in about 12 hours since catsitting, but will be home tonight and all day tomorrow.

Just wanted to say that I don't deserve to be killed if I can't get out of a vote. I've been miskilled before when I was tryharding, even d1, and it's not because I deserve to be killed. Sometimes people are so paranoid of me or hard townread everyone else so I just end up dying because they can't read me. Especially in small games.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 4:47 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:18 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:56 pm OK, so i expected to be dead yesterday, last time I looked in here I was ahead, so i really didn't read much since I last posted. Will do this evening.

Had I come back in, I might have switched to Moto, or I might have stayed becasue I still don't (if she explained it better I haven't seen it yet) get the logic of Thunals vote for me. I would guess that made her the least null of my nulls, since at that point almost everyone was a null or a few town reads. I will be in and out of here tonight, working tomorrow, but off until tuesday after that.
No, there isn’t a better explanation because I was looking for some scumread that made sense and I remembered that in some game you tried to prevent my wagon without townreading me but I didn’t know which game. I found it (Sesame Street) and I realized you had townread me there more than you let on and that was clear later. Also that read on me is not what you said yesterday, you said you didn’t think I was bad because I would have come up with a better explanation.
I know it isn't what i said yesterday, I was talking about hypothetically had I come back. I might have moved to Moto since tbh I just played/watched 2 games where the baddie sent in kills but didn't post. I've always been sympathetic to super low posters in the past but meh. I might also have stayed on you since you were still the least null of my reads since I had actively made them. I still think you would have made a better effort at a suspicion than what you did if you were bad, but I also. thinking back on it, think you would have, I don't want to say "done better", but I'm not sure how to put it, had better reasoning if town as well. Unless it was just gut, which I respect, 90% of my susses are mainly gut. But you didn't say that.

In any case, I read and modified. As we do.

You almost made me sound fangirly (which after Se7en, not gonna lie, I kinda am at times) like I'm gonna defend you when I don';t town read you. Not fangirly about that lol.

I wouldn't call it fangirly because it's part of my own process. When I'm being wagoned I'm sometimes way too biased to really examine the votes on me in the moment, but say if I saw JJJ getting wagoned d1 I'd ask the same questions I pointed out to you even if I didn't townread him. I'd wonder if there were opportunistic mafia either on the wagon or watching it happen when they would otherwise say something.

Sometimes I get so tired of combing through posts with no scumreads that when I have a wayward suspicion I latch onto it and get excited. That's what I did with you and after some time away from the thread I was like "hmm maybe this isn't as strong as I thought".

I meant it was for me, not Abi. lol I'm tired

The hypothetically was for Abi because I'm considering a world where both her and SVS are town and I don't want to get stuck in the "well nobody else can be mafia" loop.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:53 am I will self vote to keep SVS alive

Hypothetically who's Epi's partner?

I'm cooking.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Aug 31, 2024 10:46 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 11:34 pm fwiw I feel confident enough on Epi now to add him to my town pile with Roxy and Long Con. He's shown a way better and more detailed process than I remember him having as mafia, for the most part he's mindmelding with me, and I'm sheeping JJJ's townread on him.
Where?

Like his EoD1 when he moved his vote and start of d2 posts. I remember him being more one-dimensional and forced in his pushes when I was wolf with him and I similarly caught him one game from spec (the one where he was wolf with Delta idk the name). Here he has more willingness to reevaluate and try new directions.

fwiw I feel confident enough on Epi now to add him to my town pile with Roxy and Long Con. He's shown a way better and more detailed process than I remember him having as mafia, for the most part he's mindmelding with me, and I'm sheeping JJJ's townread on him.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 7:18 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 5:56 pm OK, so i expected to be dead yesterday, last time I looked in here I was ahead, so i really didn't read much since I last posted. Will do this evening.

Had I come back in, I might have switched to Moto, or I might have stayed becasue I still don't (if she explained it better I haven't seen it yet) get the logic of Thunals vote for me. I would guess that made her the least null of my nulls, since at that point almost everyone was a null or a few town reads. I will be in and out of here tonight, working tomorrow, but off until tuesday after that.
No, there isn’t a better explanation because I was looking for some scumread that made sense and I remembered that in some game you tried to prevent my wagon without townreading me but I didn’t know which game. I found it (Sesame Street) and I realized you had townread me there more than you let on and that was clear later. Also that read on me is not what you said yesterday, you said you didn’t think I was bad because I would have come up with a better explanation.

@S~V~S I wanted to expand on this. You never said I was the 'least null of your nulls" or really had any indication you suspected me even a little. All you did was have me null and then say my push was probably not bad me. When did you feel that I was slightly below null?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:37 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2024 9:21 pm I'm clear.

I don't kill JJJ N1.

I'd rather fool him if I'm mafia.
lol, I think I remember you going for kills that make the game a challenge when we were wolves together so I can believe this.
I think you got kind of mad at me for that.

lol, I think I sometimes get too caught up in “proper” play.

Nice cross post but I looked through your iso and I still don’t get why you’re strongly tunneled.

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