[WOLF WIN] Bread Mafia 2024

[Thunal33]

The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing, and Roxy's recent posts renewed some of my confidence in her. I feel pretty good about Epi town as well. So if I take Abi, Roxy, and Epi as town then that leaves Long Con, Falcon, and SVS. I still don't really think Long Con is mafia although my read on him isn't as concrete as I'd like it to be.

[Thunal33]

Although if I am wrong somewhere in my three townreads it's probably Roxy. My reads are like:

Epi/Abi
Roxy
Long Con
Falcon/SVS

[Long Con]

I'm pretty fine with that.

[Long Con]

I don't know why it would be a falcon vote over S~V~S for that team, @Thunal33

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

LC

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Is who I'm voting now

[S~V~S]

The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing, and Roxy's recent posts renewed some of my confidence in her. I feel pretty good about Epi town as well. So if I take Abi, Roxy, and Epi as town then that leaves Long Con, Falcon, and SVS. I still don't really think Long Con is mafia although my read on him isn't as concrete as I'd like it to be.

Agree re Abi. I wish she would choose not to do so, and i hope no one votes for her to make it even a chance tbh. People play different games, and have different ways of developing reads, She can be extra intuitive, but in an all vanilla game, no one is more valuable than anyone else, so no need to sacrifice for anyone else, either.

Not so much re Long Con, his reasons for sussing me initially were weird, imo. It reminded me of him sussing me for how I showed emphasis in a post like *this* or THIS in a different game.

[VOTE: longcon] aubergine



Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

I was thinking about either you or Long Con as harder game suspects so this is kind of funny.

Harder game suspects? I'm not sure I understand what you mean



Who are your current Top 2 Maf & Top 2 Town?

At this point? Roxy and Epi for town and you and SVS for mafia. I had a theory that you were a team from your early interaction while I was away.

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone say Falcon is anything but Towny.

He's more falling compared to everyone else, and other than my wayward thought about his very early SVS vote and interaction being distancing I've wondered if he's *too* towny in the sense of putting stuff forward for the thread. Like his reads here (other than proposing me and SVS as a team) have been fairly agreeable and consensus. Even the me/SVS team he defended when questioned and brought up that I wasn't voting for SVS anymore which I don't really associate with his usual tinfoils.

Every time I come in here I'm confused

You have been bad with me several times, the last time was a rather intense game. Do you recall me faux bantering about OT with my teammates for an extended period like with that toast thing on D1? That's what the chat room is for when you're bad. I assume thats the very early interaction you mean? Or overtly defending bad teammates like I did with Falcon when Jay asked?

I need to do alot of rereading, and general catching up. While I have people I won't vote for (Epi, Abi, Falcon) I have no solid reads elsewhere, and need to get srs. I'm off for the weekend so my schedule shouldn't get in my way.

I have to eat dinner, and look at my @'s from earlier, I lost them when I checked in on phone at work.

[Thunal33]

I don't know why it would be a falcon vote over S~V~S for that team, @Thunal33

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

That probably won't be how I end the day, but I wanted to shake things up.

[Thunal33]

The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing, and Roxy's recent posts renewed some of my confidence in her. I feel pretty good about Epi town as well. So if I take Abi, Roxy, and Epi as town then that leaves Long Con, Falcon, and SVS. I still don't really think Long Con is mafia although my read on him isn't as concrete as I'd like it to be.

Agree re Abi. I wish she would choose not to do so, and i hope no one votes for her to make it even a chance tbh. People play different games, and have different ways of developing reads, She can be extra intuitive, but in an all vanilla game, no one is more valuable than anyone else, so no need to sacrifice for anyone else, either.

Not so much re Long Con, his reasons for sussing me initially were weird, imo. It reminded me of him sussing me for how I showed emphasis in a post like *this* or THIS in a different game.

[VOTE: longcon] aubergine



Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

I was thinking about either you or Long Con as harder game suspects so this is kind of funny.

Harder game suspects? I'm not sure I understand what you mean



Who are your current Top 2 Maf & Top 2 Town?

At this point? Roxy and Epi for town and you and SVS for mafia. I had a theory that you were a team from your early interaction while I was away.

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone say Falcon is anything but Towny.

He's more falling compared to everyone else, and other than my wayward thought about his very early SVS vote and interaction being distancing I've wondered if he's *too* towny in the sense of putting stuff forward for the thread. Like his reads here (other than proposing me and SVS as a team) have been fairly agreeable and consensus. Even the me/SVS team he defended when questioned and brought up that I wasn't voting for SVS anymore which I don't really associate with his usual tinfoils.

Every time I come in here I'm confused

You have been bad with me several times, the last time was a rather intense game. Do you recall me faux bantering about OT with my teammates for an extended period like with that toast thing on D1? That's what the chat room is for when you're bad. I assume thats the very early interaction you mean? Or overtly defending bad teammates like I did with Falcon when Jay asked?

I need to do alot of rereading, and general catching up. While I have people I won't vote for (Epi, Abi, Falcon) I have no solid reads elsewhere, and need to get srs. I'm off for the weekend so my schedule shouldn't get in my way.

I have to eat dinner, and look at my @'s from earlier, I lost them when I checked in on phone at work.

It's not about OT bantering, it's about that Falcon voted you and you had sort of this fluffy argument. It's something that pings my distancing radar in general (not specifically you) and I've caught w/w pairs off it before.

Can you expand on why you won't vote for Epi, Abi, or Falcon?

[S~V~S]

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

I'm not tired, it's just this is the end of month at work, it falls on a Saturday so long week, and long days with no lunch, plus I'm catsitting this week. I'm just busy. And tbh I didn't actively suspect anyone, so why not? Also Thunal is a rock star; I made that vote 12 hrs before EOD. If she couldn't get out of that, she would deserve to be yeeted.

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

Exactly. [VOTE: S~v~s] aubergine

I have to look back and see what Roxy said about that.

Roxy said she had to read back on me and she hadn't yet. I am not sure where this noble thing is coming from. Unless you had a recent epiphany on how you read me, like I did on you, you always suspect me for perceived slickness, not lack of nobility. The last place I would expect this argument from is you, and I'm weirdly somewhat flattered that you made it. That and i am still salty about my schedule being used against me. WTF?

Also, fixed your brackets

AND gotta go get ready for work. I will be back in about 12 hours since catsitting, but will be home tonight and all day tomorrow.

Just wanted to say that I don't deserve to be killed if I can't get out of a vote. I've been miskilled before when I was tryharding, even d1, and it's not because I deserve to be killed. Sometimes people are so paranoid of me or hard townread everyone else so I just end up dying because they can't read me. Especially in small games.

It was a compliment; I meant you were in a tie 12 hours before EOD, a good player should be able to get out of that regardless of alignment failing a slip or something. I didn't literally mean that. I'm extremely animated verbally, and i tend to forget that it doesn't come across in writing. I was laughing as I said it.

Me dropping a bullshit vote on you 12 hrs before EOD was not a threat to you was the point I was making to Epi.

K, caught up to the @'s back shortly.
linki, no there's a new one!

[S~V~S]

The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing, and Roxy's recent posts renewed some of my confidence in her. I feel pretty good about Epi town as well. So if I take Abi, Roxy, and Epi as town then that leaves Long Con, Falcon, and SVS. I still don't really think Long Con is mafia although my read on him isn't as concrete as I'd like it to be.

Agree re Abi. I wish she would choose not to do so, and i hope no one votes for her to make it even a chance tbh. People play different games, and have different ways of developing reads, She can be extra intuitive, but in an all vanilla game, no one is more valuable than anyone else, so no need to sacrifice for anyone else, either.

Not so much re Long Con, his reasons for sussing me initially were weird, imo. It reminded me of him sussing me for how I showed emphasis in a post like *this* or THIS in a different game.

I was thinking about either you or Long Con as harder game suspects so this is kind of funny.

Harder game suspects? I'm not sure I understand what you mean



Who are your current Top 2 Maf & Top 2 Town?

At this point? Roxy and Epi for town and you and SVS for mafia. I had a theory that you were a team from your early interaction while I was away.

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone say Falcon is anything but Towny.

He's more falling compared to everyone else, and other than my wayward thought about his very early SVS vote and interaction being distancing I've wondered if he's *too* towny in the sense of putting stuff forward for the thread. Like his reads here (other than proposing me and SVS as a team) have been fairly agreeable and consensus. Even the me/SVS team he defended when questioned and brought up that I wasn't voting for SVS anymore which I don't really associate with his usual tinfoils.

Every time I come in here I'm confused

You have been bad with me several times, the last time was a rather intense game. Do you recall me faux bantering about OT with my teammates for an extended period like with that toast thing on D1? That's what the chat room is for when you're bad. I assume thats the very early interaction you mean? Or overtly defending bad teammates like I did with Falcon when Jay asked?

I need to do alot of rereading, and general catching up. While I have people I won't vote for (Epi, Abi, Falcon) I have no solid reads elsewhere, and need to get srs. I'm off for the weekend so my schedule shouldn't get in my way.

I have to eat dinner, and look at my @'s from earlier, I lost them when I checked in on phone at work.

It's not about OT bantering, it's about that Falcon voted you and you had sort of this fluffy argument. It's something that pings my distancing radar in general (not specifically you) and I've caught w/w pairs off it before.

Can you expand on why you won't vote for Epi, Abi, or Falcon?

I don't see Abi making that stand if she's bad, she believes what she's saying imo. Epi feels a tad but more, I'm not sure of the word, hard edged maybe, when he's town, blunt and sharp edged. He still says blunt things when bad, but when he's bad he leaves the tiniest bit of space around the blunt edges to wiggle around if he needs to. Town Epi does not wiggle

I explained Falcon to Jay day 1, he looks zero % like Top Artists, where he was bad. Zero. His posts there felt like he was stretching to find something to talk about, his posts here felt open and natural. Since then, I skimmed and he's natural and responding to the thread as it moves. Which is what I look for when reading Falcon, when I say I have to see him on topic. He's better than most at adapting to the thread and changing his reads and votes in response to it.

[S~V~S]

ebwop, also re Epi, I also believe he wouldn't kill Jay day one as he said. He would find that 'chickenshit'.

[S~V~S]

Also "Fluffy argument"?

[Thunal33]

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

I'm not tired, it's just this is the end of month at work, it falls on a Saturday so long week, and long days with no lunch, plus I'm catsitting this week. I'm just busy. And tbh I didn't actively suspect anyone, so why not? Also Thunal is a rock star; I made that vote 12 hrs before EOD. If she couldn't get out of that, she would deserve to be yeeted.

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

Exactly. [VOTE: S~v~s] aubergine

I have to look back and see what Roxy said about that.

Roxy said she had to read back on me and she hadn't yet. I am not sure where this noble thing is coming from. Unless you had a recent epiphany on how you read me, like I did on you, you always suspect me for perceived slickness, not lack of nobility. The last place I would expect this argument from is you, and I'm weirdly somewhat flattered that you made it. That and i am still salty about my schedule being used against me. WTF?

Also, fixed your brackets

AND gotta go get ready for work. I will be back in about 12 hours since catsitting, but will be home tonight and all day tomorrow.

Just wanted to say that I don't deserve to be killed if I can't get out of a vote. I've been miskilled before when I was tryharding, even d1, and it's not because I deserve to be killed. Sometimes people are so paranoid of me or hard townread everyone else so I just end up dying because they can't read me. Especially in small games.

It was a compliment; I meant you were in a tie 12 hours before EOD, a good player should be able to get out of that regardless of alignment failing a slip or something. I didn't literally mean that. I'm extremely animated verbally, and i tend to forget that it doesn't come across in writing. I was laughing as I said it.

Me dropping a bullshit vote on you 12 hrs before EOD was not a threat to you was the point I was making to Epi.

K, caught up to the @'s back shortly.
linki, no there's a new one!

Np! Sometimes its hard for me to get jokes or lighthearted comments.

[Thunal33]

Also "Fluffy argument"?

I just meant like suspecting or arguing for not real or serious reasons. I was told that was something to look out for early a few years ago by someone who mentored me. Tbh I don't even believe you and Falcon are a team anymore because you shot my reasons down way too easily.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

I need to think for a bit because again I feel like I'm being very wrong.

[falcon45ca]

I don't think Long Con is mafia.

Why?

I have a take. I'll hold on to it for now.

How is that helpful to the town finding baddies?
Clue,- it Isn't.

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

This is bs. Saying someonee is tired, no get up and go??
Like wtaf??????

I'm inclined to think this aggression is towny.

Why? Being aggro is a fairly common & easy go to strat for Maf



I don't see much case building or conclusions from her recent aggro posts, mainly some pretty surface level questions



Town Roxy is more than capable of building a case, however I'm not seeing it here

[falcon45ca]

@Roxy Do you have any ride or die Town?

[Thunal33]

I don't think Long Con is mafia.

Why?

I have a take. I'll hold on to it for now.

How is that helpful to the town finding baddies?
Clue,- it Isn't.

I suspect S~V~S drew mafia and is tired. I think there's no get up and go. And the "I vote Thunal even though I don't think Thunal is bad" is hooey.

This is bs. Saying someonee is tired, no get up and go??
Like wtaf??????

I'm inclined to think this aggression is towny.

Why? Being aggro is a fairly common & easy go to strat for Maf



I don't see much case building or conclusions from her recent aggro posts, mainly some pretty surface level questions



Town Roxy is more than capable of building a case, however I'm not seeing it here

It was that specific aggro, caring about if Abi's possible self vote was useful to town and calling my top townread's (Epi's) take BS.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Sleep] aubergine for now. Thought today was going to be smooth.

It was not smooth.

Back to work.

Sundays are easier, and I'll be able to reassess when I'm fresh.

[Thunal33]

No take on S~V~S or Long Con.

now this is odd to me. you can read me but not them?

SVS feels town to me
LC1 I am fence sitting as per normal. Same for you.

OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

@Roxy Town S~V~S would rather vote who she thinks is bad and go down with her head held high.

I asked to not have to use my brain LC!!!!!!

Damn I hate that I will have to totally re-read SVS today.
But your point is well taken and is true most games I have played with her.

@Roxy do you still think SVS feels town and did you ever reread or reeval her?

[Thunal33]

OK, I was gonna use this AM to decide where to vote, since my last list was all town/null. But instead I spent my mafia time reading weird stuff that i honestly don't understand about how I should object to people voting for people I don't town read and that my schedule makes me bad.

I have to vote now; I may or may not be back before EOD, and if before, not long before. Last day before a holiday weeked traffic here in megasuburbia gonna be hell, as will work since it's end of month right before a 4 day weekend, I doubt i will have time to sneak onto my phone.

So I'm gonna [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine not becasue i think she's bad (I really don't see bad Thunal making *this* argument, which feels straw graspy to me, like she can't find a suspicion and that was what came to mind, if she's bad, she'd come up with a better one imo) but to save myself. I'm open to changing it IF I get the chance to get back in here but I can't guarantee that.

@Roxy Town S~V~S would rather vote who she thinks is bad and go down with her head held high.

I asked to not have to use my brain LC!!!!!!

Damn I hate that I will have to totally re-read SVS today.
But your point is well taken and is true most games I have played with her.

This post is kind of pingy. It feels dramatic for Roxy announcing she needs to do something that as far as I know didn't actually happen.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

[Thunal33]

There are a few unpairings I've noted that I have pretty good confidence in:

SVS/Falcon (based on SVS being confused about my me/Falcon theory and then quickly shooting it down by saying that’s what the chatroom is for)
Abi/Falcon (Abi forgot Falcon was playing and for her I think that’s legit)
Roxy/Abi (based on Roxy's response to Long Con’s Roxy/Abi idea)

[falcon45ca]

Why did I townread falcon last night?

I just went over his posts in isolation and I don't feel it.

[VOTE: longcon] aubergine



Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

I was thinking about either you or Long Con as harder game suspects so this is kind of funny.

Harder game suspects? I'm not sure I understand what you mean



Who are your current Top 2 Maf & Top 2 Town?

At this point? Roxy and Epi for town and you and SVS for mafia. I had a theory that you were a team from your early interaction while I was away.

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone say Falcon is anything but Towny.

One of these posts contradicts the other

[falcon45ca]

Ok but really what I am saying is I looked at falcon's ISO and I just don't see it, it's like a deft flick of a couple of words and everyone is enamored. That's my legacy if I die tonight.

Does this come across as tho LC is considering me Towny?

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: longcon] aubergine

[Long Con]

Why did I townread falcon last night?

I just went over his posts in isolation and I don't feel it.

[VOTE: longcon] aubergine



Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

I was thinking about either you or Long Con as harder game suspects so this is kind of funny.

Harder game suspects? I'm not sure I understand what you mean



Who are your current Top 2 Maf & Top 2 Town?

At this point? Roxy and Epi for town and you and SVS for mafia. I had a theory that you were a team from your early interaction while I was away.

I think this is the first time I've seen anyone say Falcon is anything but Towny.

One of these posts contradicts the other

I thought "besides me" was obvious enough to be left unspoken.

[Epignosis]

Screw fresh. Won't have time tomorrow either.

[Epignosis]

I don't think Long Con is mafia.

Why?

I have a take. I'll hold on to it for now.

I don't even remember what this was.

[Epignosis]

fwiw I feel confident enough on Epi now to add him to my town pile with Roxy and Long Con. He's shown a way better and more detailed process than I remember him having as mafia, for the most part he's mindmelding with me, and I'm sheeping JJJ's townread on him.

Where?

Like his EoD1 when he moved his vote and start of d2 posts. I remember him being more one-dimensional and forced in his pushes when I was wolf with him and I similarly caught him one game from spec (the one where he was wolf with Delta idk the name). Here he has more willingness to reevaluate and try new directions.

Turtles!

[Epignosis]

I'm trying to visualize the reads that have been presented and identify patterns if any exist. These are loose estimations by me when it comes to color, since some of you did not use colors. Feel free to correct and/or complain if you feel like it.

Abigail is easily the most counter-culture here, and I'd say that's on-brand. It's not alignment-indicative. Under the present state of affairs, if we were to have motobot flip town, for example (or S~V~S; either would suggest immediate holes in the brewing "consensus"), I'd give more space to her to pursue these reads.

Roxy and falcon should probably be off-limits today unless someone not featured with reads up there has very strong feelings to the contrary.

motobot is the only negative consensus, which is pretty generic. I don't care. I'd vote him out on Day 1.

I'll be interested to see how Roxy, S~V~S, and motobot feel when they are able to share.

Bumping this.

Are we asking about his assessment of Abigail, or of the chart itself? I don't have much to say about the chart, it isn't my reads. Based on my close reading before I went to work Thursday, and the skim I've done since, I'd agree that i still think Falcon and Roxy look town. I also think Abigail often has the most counter-culture reads. Sometimes she's wrong, but sometimes she's spot on.

Also, this is from read/skim, not this post. You had said that you agreed with the point that I wouldn't vote to save; first, when has that happened recently? I have a fair memory of games, maybe not "which" game, but general circumstances. I can't recall ever being in a "vote to save" circumstance since I came back, and maybe i was before that but I don't recall being so on The Syndicate. So this is WiFom on your part. And i appreciate your assessment of my townie nobility here, but I think it's misplaced. LC has played with me as long as I've been playing, and I think it's somewhat WiFoM on his part, too, but 100% on yours. And, like I said to Thunal re gut reads, I appreciate WiFoM. I rely on it myself all the time, maybe more than most people. But it surprised me to see you say that, when i don't know that you ever saw that circumstance.

I know there was that recent game, but i didn't vote specifically not to save (i don't think my vote could have saved or even tied), i voted becasue i was 100% (incorrectly lol) sure you were bad. I was worked up in that game and willing to be a martyr. I wanted to go down to prove you wrong. Different circumstances, I had (and still don't have) any strong feeling about anyone re baddieness. I'm more annoyed that my schedule is being used against me than anything else, but I'm not worked up. So might as well vote to save

Meant the chart.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: longcon] aubergine



Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

Yeah, I'm not understanding the thought process here:

LC's vote was on me when I already had one because it was "amusing," despite putting me at the top of his list earlier.

When I switched to S~V~S, he tagged along as though we were BFFs.

The Day 1 motobot vote was a safe place to end up on.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: longcon] aubergine



Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

Well, the Epi vote was jokes, and Epi was only rehashing what I had said on Day 1 when I was voting for S~V~S. The moto vote sucked, it's true.

Such a move leads me to believe you'd find a way to keep your vote on me if the tally against me gained steam?

It's easy to back off and say, "Haha."

[falcon45ca]

I'm trying to visualize the reads that have been presented and identify patterns if any exist. These are loose estimations by me when it comes to color, since some of you did not use colors. Feel free to correct and/or complain if you feel like it.

Abigail is easily the most counter-culture here, and I'd say that's on-brand. It's not alignment-indicative. Under the present state of affairs, if we were to have motobot flip town, for example (or S~V~S; either would suggest immediate holes in the brewing "consensus"), I'd give more space to her to pursue these reads.

Roxy and falcon should probably be off-limits today unless someone not featured with reads up there has very strong feelings to the contrary.

motobot is the only negative consensus, which is pretty generic. I don't care. I'd vote him out on Day 1.

I'll be interested to see how Roxy, S~V~S, and motobot feel when they are able to share.

Bumping this.

Are we asking about his assessment of Abigail, or of the chart itself? I don't have much to say about the chart, it isn't my reads. Based on my close reading before I went to work Thursday, and the skim I've done since, I'd agree that i still think Falcon and Roxy look town. I also think Abigail often has the most counter-culture reads. Sometimes she's wrong, but sometimes she's spot on.

Also, this is from read/skim, not this post. You had said that you agreed with the point that I wouldn't vote to save; first, when has that happened recently? I have a fair memory of games, maybe not "which" game, but general circumstances. I can't recall ever being in a "vote to save" circumstance since I came back, and maybe i was before that but I don't recall being so on The Syndicate. So this is WiFom on your part. And i appreciate your assessment of my townie nobility here, but I think it's misplaced. LC has played with me as long as I've been playing, and I think it's somewhat WiFoM on his part, too, but 100% on yours. And, like I said to Thunal re gut reads, I appreciate WiFoM. I rely on it myself all the time, maybe more than most people. But it surprised me to see you say that, when i don't know that you ever saw that circumstance.

I know there was that recent game, but i didn't vote specifically not to save (i don't think my vote could have saved or even tied), i voted becasue i was 100% (incorrectly lol) sure you were bad. I was worked up in that game and willing to be a martyr. I wanted to go down to prove you wrong. Different circumstances, I had (and still don't have) any strong feeling about anyone re baddieness. I'm more annoyed that my schedule is being used against me than anything else, but I'm not worked up. So might as well vote to save

Meant the chart.

How do you read SVS interpretation of your post bump?



More towny than not IMO

[Epignosis]

RIP JJJ

That was some fun after-buzzer Roxy time.

What after buzzer *shit*.

I voted before the poll closed, was lucky enough to squeeze in my posts before the thread was locked.
What were you jealous?
Sorry I said I thought Moto was prob at school and I never got the suspicion on them. It was extremely weak like runny mashed potatoes.

Was I supposed to follow you blindly? I must have missed that memo.

Not much time today I'll do what I can.

I don't believe I even noticed this.

I played with motobot in Don't Starve Mafia (as his mafia teammate). He was quiet and unengaged with solving.

I played with motobot in Kagemusha Mafia (both town). He was still quiet, but I was able to find him with good confidence before Day 1 ended. That was primarily a product of his responses to early pressure. He has not responded to early pressure here. Perhaps he "anticipated" it when posting that he had no reads.

I don't have any compelling case to provide for motobot. It's an absence of town. If I vote for him, that will be the extent of it.

it's sad you just pick the lowest poster to take out. Really the easiest option as you will not have to defend your vote for Moto bc they probs won't have too much time to respond (I think they are in school?)

I do expect more from you than this tbh.

I absolutely don't care what people "expect" from me. My win condition is not to make the most impressive vote. It is to make the right vote. I have no reason to view motobot as a civilian.

But, but I like being impressed by you and your town game.
I'm not just a Mom I am a YaYa so my expectations for you young'uns has grown with my age.

motobot is in school these days about as much as I am.

To put a finer point on it, this is a strange defense. We all have real life stuff to do, and for most of us, that's work. Why should motobot (even if he were away at school) get "bonus time" to respond in this thread?

Super strange defense.

[Epignosis]

I'm trying to visualize the reads that have been presented and identify patterns if any exist. These are loose estimations by me when it comes to color, since some of you did not use colors. Feel free to correct and/or complain if you feel like it.

Abigail is easily the most counter-culture here, and I'd say that's on-brand. It's not alignment-indicative. Under the present state of affairs, if we were to have motobot flip town, for example (or S~V~S; either would suggest immediate holes in the brewing "consensus"), I'd give more space to her to pursue these reads.

Roxy and falcon should probably be off-limits today unless someone not featured with reads up there has very strong feelings to the contrary.

motobot is the only negative consensus, which is pretty generic. I don't care. I'd vote him out on Day 1.

I'll be interested to see how Roxy, S~V~S, and motobot feel when they are able to share.

Bumping this.

Are we asking about his assessment of Abigail, or of the chart itself? I don't have much to say about the chart, it isn't my reads. Based on my close reading before I went to work Thursday, and the skim I've done since, I'd agree that i still think Falcon and Roxy look town. I also think Abigail often has the most counter-culture reads. Sometimes she's wrong, but sometimes she's spot on.

Also, this is from read/skim, not this post. You had said that you agreed with the point that I wouldn't vote to save; first, when has that happened recently? I have a fair memory of games, maybe not "which" game, but general circumstances. I can't recall ever being in a "vote to save" circumstance since I came back, and maybe i was before that but I don't recall being so on The Syndicate. So this is WiFom on your part. And i appreciate your assessment of my townie nobility here, but I think it's misplaced. LC has played with me as long as I've been playing, and I think it's somewhat WiFoM on his part, too, but 100% on yours. And, like I said to Thunal re gut reads, I appreciate WiFoM. I rely on it myself all the time, maybe more than most people. But it surprised me to see you say that, when i don't know that you ever saw that circumstance.

I know there was that recent game, but i didn't vote specifically not to save (i don't think my vote could have saved or even tied), i voted becasue i was 100% (incorrectly lol) sure you were bad. I was worked up in that game and willing to be a martyr. I wanted to go down to prove you wrong. Different circumstances, I had (and still don't have) any strong feeling about anyone re baddieness. I'm more annoyed that my schedule is being used against me than anything else, but I'm not worked up. So might as well vote to save

Meant the chart.

How do you read SVS interpretation of your post bump?



More towny than not IMO

I'm not sure either what historical points S~V~S is referencing here, but the fact that they exist strikes me as coming from a person who is trying to clarify rather than manipulate.

[Epignosis]

I'm clear.

I don't kill JJJ N1.

I'd rather fool him if I'm mafia.

You are not clear. At least in my mind

Fair enough.

[Long Con]

[VOTE: longcon] aubergine



Seems to be quite willing to push any & all wagons when others build the case...recently mind meld w/ Abby re: Epi, then mind meld w/ Epi re: SVS, & he jumped on moto's wagon for reasons not his own

Well, the Epi vote was jokes, and Epi was only rehashing what I had said on Day 1 when I was voting for S~V~S. The moto vote sucked, it's true.

Such a move leads me to believe you'd find a way to keep your vote on me if the tally against me gained steam?

It's easy to back off and say, "Haha."

Really? It was literally just a joke about the unreadability of the post of Abi's that I "mind-melded" with. There's no deeper plan or meaning. You were present, you asked me, we got a chuckle.

[falcon45ca]

RIP JJJ

That was some fun after-buzzer Roxy time.

What after buzzer *shit*.

I voted before the poll closed, was lucky enough to squeeze in my posts before the thread was locked.
What were you jealous?
Sorry I said I thought Moto was prob at school and I never got the suspicion on them. It was extremely weak like runny mashed potatoes.

Was I supposed to follow you blindly? I must have missed that memo.

Not much time today I'll do what I can.

I don't believe I even noticed this.

I played with motobot in Don't Starve Mafia (as his mafia teammate). He was quiet and unengaged with solving.

I played with motobot in Kagemusha Mafia (both town). He was still quiet, but I was able to find him with good confidence before Day 1 ended. That was primarily a product of his responses to early pressure. He has not responded to early pressure here. Perhaps he "anticipated" it when posting that he had no reads.

I don't have any compelling case to provide for motobot. It's an absence of town. If I vote for him, that will be the extent of it.

it's sad you just pick the lowest poster to take out. Really the easiest option as you will not have to defend your vote for Moto bc they probs won't have too much time to respond (I think they are in school?)

I do expect more from you than this tbh.

I absolutely don't care what people "expect" from me. My win condition is not to make the most impressive vote. It is to make the right vote. I have no reason to view motobot as a civilian.

But, but I like being impressed by you and your town game.
I'm not just a Mom I am a YaYa so my expectations for you young'uns has grown with my age.

motobot is in school these days about as much as I am.

To put a finer point on it, this is a strange defense. We all have real life stuff to do, and for most of us, that's work. Why should motobot (even if he were away at school) get "bonus time" to respond in this thread?

Super strange defense.

Good catch. It's a super wolfy defense for sure, it reads as tho Roxy TRs them both




She doesn't seem to consider that Jay is perhaps a W! pushing a low posting T!, nor that moto is W!

[Epignosis]

I'm here to move my vote. [VOTE: PA] aubergine.

I could only skim a few things.

I'm not mafia, so PA's vote is empty and nothing was done with it as far as I could tell.

I don't have a good reason to think moto is good, so I'm fine with the votes there.

S~V~S voting for someone on the basis of "not because I think this person is bad" is not what I would associate with good S~V~S, so I'm fine with the votes there.

If you approve of those other votes, why not place one along with them? We have less than five minutes to discuss Abigail as an option.

I owe this an answer.

First, I wanted to see what anyone might do last minute.

Second, I didn't want Thunal to be the "alternative" to anybody, so I took my vote off and moved it elsewhere.

moto didn't need anymore help getting lynched, so I didn't go there.

So you suspected Moto too?
I must be the only one to have found them not suspicious enough for a elim.

Had no reason to see him live to Day 2 is more like it. He did nothing Day 1.

[falcon45ca]

I'm trying to visualize the reads that have been presented and identify patterns if any exist. These are loose estimations by me when it comes to color, since some of you did not use colors. Feel free to correct and/or complain if you feel like it.

Abigail is easily the most counter-culture here, and I'd say that's on-brand. It's not alignment-indicative. Under the present state of affairs, if we were to have motobot flip town, for example (or S~V~S; either would suggest immediate holes in the brewing "consensus"), I'd give more space to her to pursue these reads.

Roxy and falcon should probably be off-limits today unless someone not featured with reads up there has very strong feelings to the contrary.

motobot is the only negative consensus, which is pretty generic. I don't care. I'd vote him out on Day 1.

I'll be interested to see how Roxy, S~V~S, and motobot feel when they are able to share.

Bumping this.

Are we asking about his assessment of Abigail, or of the chart itself? I don't have much to say about the chart, it isn't my reads. Based on my close reading before I went to work Thursday, and the skim I've done since, I'd agree that i still think Falcon and Roxy look town. I also think Abigail often has the most counter-culture reads. Sometimes she's wrong, but sometimes she's spot on.

Also, this is from read/skim, not this post. You had said that you agreed with the point that I wouldn't vote to save; first, when has that happened recently? I have a fair memory of games, maybe not "which" game, but general circumstances. I can't recall ever being in a "vote to save" circumstance since I came back, and maybe i was before that but I don't recall being so on The Syndicate. So this is WiFom on your part. And i appreciate your assessment of my townie nobility here, but I think it's misplaced. LC has played with me as long as I've been playing, and I think it's somewhat WiFoM on his part, too, but 100% on yours. And, like I said to Thunal re gut reads, I appreciate WiFoM. I rely on it myself all the time, maybe more than most people. But it surprised me to see you say that, when i don't know that you ever saw that circumstance.

I know there was that recent game, but i didn't vote specifically not to save (i don't think my vote could have saved or even tied), i voted becasue i was 100% (incorrectly lol) sure you were bad. I was worked up in that game and willing to be a martyr. I wanted to go down to prove you wrong. Different circumstances, I had (and still don't have) any strong feeling about anyone re baddieness. I'm more annoyed that my schedule is being used against me than anything else, but I'm not worked up. So might as well vote to save

Meant the chart.

How do you read SVS interpretation of your post bump?



More towny than not IMO

I'm not sure either what historical points S~V~S is referencing here, but the fact that they exist strikes me as coming from a person who is trying to clarify rather than manipulate.

Agreed

[Epignosis]

^That "either" should have been deleted.

[Epignosis]

The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing

Why is that convincing to you?

[Epignosis]

Yeah, I'd have to be convinced to vote for S~V~S today.

[Long Con]

Yeah, I'd have to be convinced to vote for S~V~S today.

She did have the unTowny self-preservation vote, and some other minor pings.

[Long Con]

The major thing that really changed is now I'm fairly confident Abi is town because of the whole protecting SVS thing

Why is that convincing to you?

What do you think about a possible Roxy-Abi team?

[Epignosis]

If you're asking me, I don't go after teams. It's always one Day at a time.

[Long Con]

If you're asking me, I don't go after teams. It's always one Day at a time.

Why tho? It's the interaction between them that makes me suspicious, so the suspicion can't be individualized, and I don't think that makes it into something you are unable to consider.

[Epignosis]

If you're asking me, I don't go after teams. It's always one Day at a time.

Why tho? It's the interaction between them that makes me suspicious, so the suspicion can't be individualized, and I don't think that makes it into something you are unable to consider.

Mafia are carts.

Individual mafioso are horses.

I want a horse before I tie it to a cart (and push the wagon off the cliff).