Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[MacDougall]

I have now read Alison's treatment of the POE (I forgot I had already taken SVS out and read her too).

MR
Scotty
Guillo
Lilypetal
Dizzy

I believe that Dizzy and Scotty are not mafia with Alison.

Lilypetal and MR remain viable, Guillo has a mixed bag of interactions with her, but also finds theatre much easier so what might positive interactions for others don't get him points.

So my POE is now 3.

I wish to put Urist back in it, because I have a sense that Urist and Alison may have been operating in concert on day 1 against Golden to unsettle him and prevent him from getting a foothold in the game.

My POE is now.

Guillo
Lilypetal
Urist
MR

in that order.

I need 1 more.

I did this PoE

People I don't find particularly townie you could look at spew of or ignore but I'd add one of these as a 5th I think

DrWilgy
hollowkatt
Kate
Michelle
Party Crasher
Sloonei

Why were Seanzie and Alison so desperate to come at me for my town Kate read if she’s their teammate? I strongly consider that people should look back at that, imo it’s townclearing.

I agree.

[Golden]

I have takeaways from going back through the chat, interested in the views of others first though.

[Party Crasher]

Also thats assuming marmot is town

What if marmot is mafia lol

[MacDougall]

And thirdly, because I think she should be in the PoE, and needs decent examination today.

Answering at the other post as well, my town range is huge. My wolf range is not. Alison used to call me polarised. She didn't do that in this game because she knows i hate it and she didn't want my attention to switch on her.

Poe me as you like. Ama and if i can i will answer you or everyone else

She kinda did actually.

[Party Crasher]

I have now read Alison's treatment of the POE (I forgot I had already taken SVS out and read her too).

MR
Scotty
Guillo
Lilypetal
Dizzy

I believe that Dizzy and Scotty are not mafia with Alison.

Lilypetal and MR remain viable, Guillo has a mixed bag of interactions with her, but also finds theatre much easier so what might positive interactions for others don't get him points.

So my POE is now 3.

I wish to put Urist back in it, because I have a sense that Urist and Alison may have been operating in concert on day 1 against Golden to unsettle him and prevent him from getting a foothold in the game.

My POE is now.

Guillo
Lilypetal
Urist
MR

in that order.

I need 1 more.

@Michelle @Party Crasher how do you feel about my POE?

My poe is rondo, marmot, guillo

-this has been t

[MacDougall]

I will answer the question of why I voted and unvoted

I voted you because I think you are a wolf

I unvoted you because my town core disagrees

Do we? I’m happy to withdraw if we really do, but genuinely I think we should have Michelle on the list.

Fwiw I currently have Michelle as maybe an ever so slight wolf lean.

[MacDougall]

I will answer the question of why I voted and unvoted

I voted you because I think you are a wolf

I unvoted you because my town core disagrees

Do we? I’m happy to withdraw if we really do, but genuinely I think we should have Michelle on the list.

I discussed a bunch with Mac earlier he's clearing Michelle and I'm trusting it

Lol did I?

Pretty sure my most recent read on Michelle isn't clearing but maybe I just thought it and didn't say it.

[MacDougall]

My attempts to be a better person fail again.

It's fine. You're fine.

[MacDougall]

Dyslexicon
1
6%
Voters: EnderWiggin

Why @EnderWiggin ?

Pushing buttons because I might have just been wrong on Rondo and the answer if that's true is that my worldview has been skewed.

That's exactly why i wanted to talk about reads.
I have the feeling our read on Rondo is wrong.
Paranoia is there but the logic says we are most probably wrong

Throw me any question you got, I'm still mulling things over.

Is Neon town?

I think so.

I am very very confident Neon is town. They are bleeding town stress energy into the thread.

[MacDougall]

is wilgy town

Yes.

Looking forward to reading an explanation herein.

[Party Crasher]

If i (tutuu) win the event im shooting the wagon with most votes when the gun is given out

Democracy

[EnderWiggin]

Others are too. I think Ender has told me the same.

To be fair I said:
"People who have meta on Creature would disagree. I can see how Neon didn't know that tho."

[MacDougall]

Party Crasher
Lilypetal
Urist
Dyslexicon
Scotty
MR
SVS

I wish to arbitrarily remove party crasher out of this. So I am.

Removed.

Lilypetal
Urist
Dyslexicon
Scotty
MR
SVS

Tell me family, who do you wish to arbitrarily remove from it?

Scotto, SVS, MR, Dyslexicon ... Lily.

I think I wanna arbitrarily remove Urist from it. I do have a pretty strong gut townread.

Removed.

Lilypetal
Dyslexicon
Scotty
MR
SVS

Behold, today's POE. Similar but different to yesterday's POE. Let's solve these 5 first.

LGTM

I do not know what this means.

[Party Crasher]

If i (tutuu) win the event im shooting the wagon with most votes when the gun is given out

Democracy

I think @DrWilgy should shoot his gun before 7 pm est so we dont have 2 day guns at play at the same time it can be messy

[MacDougall]

Interesting note that I am somehow not in anybody's poe that I aware of

I was considering changing that but then you were just obvious town again.

I think HK is a wolf tbh.

[Golden]

Interesting note that I am somehow not in anybody's poe that I aware of

I was considering changing that but then you were just obvious town again.

I think HK is a wolf tbh.

You previously found good spew that leaned the other way. Thoughts on your reasons for change?

[MacDougall]

I have now read Alison's treatment of the POE (I forgot I had already taken SVS out and read her too).

MR
Scotty
Guillo
Lilypetal
Dizzy

I believe that Dizzy and Scotty are not mafia with Alison.

Lilypetal and MR remain viable, Guillo has a mixed bag of interactions with her, but also finds theatre much easier so what might positive interactions for others don't get him points.

So my POE is now 3.

I wish to put Urist back in it, because I have a sense that Urist and Alison may have been operating in concert on day 1 against Golden to unsettle him and prevent him from getting a foothold in the game.

My POE is now.

Guillo
Lilypetal
Urist
MR

in that order.

I need 1 more.

Why would I care about golden

Because he is a good and leader type player and as a member of the mafia faction it benefits you to push hard onto players such as that in order to undermine their credibility and ensure their attention is not on solving and more on defense.

And before you say it, as a member of the mafia team you have teammates who know Golden's threat level and help coordinate said plans ie. Alison.

[MacDougall]

Kinda feel like I havent earned that...

I have been representing a lock town read on you all game so it's quite likely mafia simply don't consider you pushable and town are mostly just deferring plus reading your occasional pop ins as towny.

[MacDougall]

Currently we have two players voting for Rondo, either one of them is a wolf, or Rondo is a wolf. Rondo is not a wolf. Dyslexicon is not mafia with Alison based on interactions (happy to pull for you if need be). Party Crasher went ape shit to try to save Seanzie.

Party Crasher is my fifth.

I voted marmot for a bit then went back to seanzie

Why is derailing the seanzie wagon for a bit a wolf play considering alison (a wolf) parked there all day?

Jeez this is a pretty flaccid defense.

Alison didn't park there all day. She tried to push SVS and 112 and only moved there when she did so she wouldn't miss the window to make it a realistic bus.

Your appraisal of I voted marmot for a bit then voted seanzie is quite generous lol. I would call it, you screamed bloody murder that Marmot was outed and nearly single handedly incited a CFD while a wolf was wagoned and then voted said wolf after the CFD went nowhere.

[MacDougall]

Also thats assuming marmot is town

What if marmot is mafia lol

I have no issue with you trying to figure that out.

[Party Crasher]

Currently we have two players voting for Rondo, either one of them is a wolf, or Rondo is a wolf. Rondo is not a wolf. Dyslexicon is not mafia with Alison based on interactions (happy to pull for you if need be). Party Crasher went ape shit to try to save Seanzie.

Party Crasher is my fifth.

I voted marmot for a bit then went back to seanzie

Why is derailing the seanzie wagon for a bit a wolf play considering alison (a wolf) parked there all day?

Jeez this is a pretty flaccid defense.

Alison didn't park there all day. She tried to push SVS and 112 and only moved there when she did so she wouldn't miss the window to make it a realistic bus.

Your appraisal of I voted marmot for a bit then voted seanzie is quite generous lol. I would call it, you screamed bloody murder that Marmot was outed and nearly single handedly incited a CFD while a wolf was wagoned and then voted said wolf after the CFD went nowhere.

I thought it would be pretty funny (i was laughing while doing it)

-t

[MacDougall]

Interesting note that I am somehow not in anybody's poe that I aware of

I was considering changing that but then you were just obvious town again.

I think HK is a wolf tbh.

You previously found good spew that leaned the other way. Thoughts on your reasons for change?

I can't remember that in detail enough to know whether it remains relevant. I read other things that make me think he is partnered to Alison... specifically that he was a beneficiary of Alison trying to promote the idea Sabi's POE was all town, that Alison kept reminding everyone I was shielding him and that she only pushed him as a candidate in moments where those pushes read like antispew.

[MacDougall]

Currently we have two players voting for Rondo, either one of them is a wolf, or Rondo is a wolf. Rondo is not a wolf. Dyslexicon is not mafia with Alison based on interactions (happy to pull for you if need be). Party Crasher went ape shit to try to save Seanzie.

Party Crasher is my fifth.

I voted marmot for a bit then went back to seanzie

Why is derailing the seanzie wagon for a bit a wolf play considering alison (a wolf) parked there all day?

Jeez this is a pretty flaccid defense.

Alison didn't park there all day. She tried to push SVS and 112 and only moved there when she did so she wouldn't miss the window to make it a realistic bus.

Your appraisal of I voted marmot for a bit then voted seanzie is quite generous lol. I would call it, you screamed bloody murder that Marmot was outed and nearly single handedly incited a CFD while a wolf was wagoned and then voted said wolf after the CFD went nowhere.

I thought it would be pretty funny (i was laughing while doing it)

-t

Lol I'm sure you were. I even said earlier that it's in your range as town so I can't even dock you for it even if Marmot is town.

But it's definitely a thing that a wolf partner of Seanzie would do. It's not a hard read to make lol.

Porscha did pull some post where you and Alison don't look aligned so that's a thing. Give Porscha some pats for that.

[MacDougall]

The two players that Alison was trying to imply were town via reading into Sabi's POE were Porscha and HK, and I think Porscha is pretty townie so.

[MacDougall]

@EnderWiggin why is Dizzy ur numero uno?

Have you given up on pushing Rondo now?

[EnderWiggin]

is wilgy town

Yes.

Looking forward to reading an explanation herein.

Enter the Spiderverse: Return to Sabi Spew.

[EnderWiggin]

@EnderWiggin why is Dizzy ur numero uno?

Have you given up on pushing Rondo now?

For now yeah.

You bring good points up and I'm starting to wonder if I actually did get tunnelled on something dumb.

I do feel like there was a period Seanzie and Rondo voted together trying to make other wagons but nyeh.

I don't have a good enough reason beyond confirmation bias so I'm dropping it for now.

Dizzy is because I wanted to poke Dizzy.

Because Dizzy started good but I haven't seen anything super townzy from him

[RondoDimBuckle]

@EnderWiggin why is Dizzy ur numero uno?

Have you given up on pushing Rondo now?

If I didnt go over yesterday I am never going over :cool cat:

[MacDougall]

@EnderWiggin why is Dizzy ur numero uno?

Have you given up on pushing Rondo now?

For now yeah.

You bring good points up and I'm starting to wonder if I actually did get tunnelled on something dumb.

I do feel like there was a period Seanzie and Rondo voted together trying to make other wagons but nyeh.

I don't have a good enough reason beyond confirmation bias so I'm dropping it for now.

Dizzy is because I wanted to poke Dizzy.

Because Dizzy started good but I haven't seen anything super townzy from him

You just fell into my trap.

@RondoDimBuckle engage uber tinfoil on Ender!

[Michelle]

[/spoiler]

The only read I came out with was Kate/Dennis not s/t. Why specifically Kate town? Just the first post, or?

Nearly every post. If that’s mafia Kate I’ll be shocked.

I believe you, but for all the wrong reasons.

Maybe the wrong reasons are the right reasons this time.

Is this a confession?

I dunno what you think the wrong reasons and the right reasons are but last time you trusted me your instincts were good.

I'm accusing you of TMI.

This all interaction shows Golden not w/w with Seanzie imo
But idk about Kate, the way he treat Alison shows a tendency to early distancing/bussing

[VOTE: Golden] aubergine

Why Golden?

This gives me the same bussing impression, like Alison attacked someone who is not in their team and Sean wanted to spew the other when one of them flips.

YOU KNOW WHAT


Urist + Kate + Seanzie.

Why has Seanzie not gone full tilt on me? He goes full tilt on me harder than mac and I have had a breezier opening this game than ever against Seanzie. Ender has called me out as wolf and Seanzie gives me a pass? WHAAAAAAAT?! Seanzie + Ender?

Who are you?

[VOTE: Seanzie ] aubergine

you do you, bro.

Similar reaction and vibe with the one at my vote, looks good for Rondo

I would prefer to exe Golden and not shoot him. My gun is a funky kind.

I'd elim this.

Bussing

I'm accusing you of TMI.

I’ve no evidence that’s possible in this game and you’ve no evidence I’ve ever TMIed in my mafia career.

And yet...

I mean I love a good accusation

Exciting, isn't it? The thrill of the chase?

So, care to elaborate?

What am I elaborating on?

I'd prefer the names of your wolf team, but I'll settle on why Kate is town. You've made the claim, but I don't see any thought behind it.

What everyone thinks of this? Were they pushing a multiball idea if Neon is right and the game has just one mafia team?

I would prefer to exe Golden and not shoot him. My gun is a funky kind.

I'd elim this.

Why? You don't like guns, or is it funk ya got qualms with?

Oh, I love me some funk... just not when it comes to gambits. Gambits too quick, too soon, too funky, no thank you.

Not w/w with Falcon (pockety explanation)

Kate is bad for sure
Dyslexicon might be not bad

I'm definitely vanilla civ. Yay game

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

Don't think GOC usually has VTs, and going out of your way to claim it when you could just say "I'm definitely town" is doubly weird.

Why you no respond to me?

What do you want me to respond to you about? I said my role, you said you'd elim it. Good for you. I'm not going into specifics for obvious reasons so...

Why Golden?

Distancing, wolf theatre between Alison and Sean
Maybe the push for Kate was like the one for Dennis

Golden defense of Kate is bad
Scotty unvoting Kate is bad and sad

Scumlean.

Characterising a town read as a ‘defense’ is inherently about trying to make people feel a certain way.

You are literally defending Kate, don't try to pull this semantic shit it will 100% not work

It’s not semantic shit. The same event can be characterised in different ways, the choice of how you characterise it is meaningful.

I'm not characterizing anything, you are literally defending Kate.

I’m town reading Kate. I don’t think she has done anything required a defence, and she didn’t even have a vote when I made my townread. Hard to see ‘defending’ language as anything other than a choice.

I am LITERALLY defending scotty with my vote. Your not talking about that.

Yeah... okay. I believe you.

Backtracking.
Golden is good

Tl;dr
Falcon, Golden not w/w with Sean
Scotty, Kate looking good for now

[RondoDimBuckle]

@EnderWiggin why is Dizzy ur numero uno?

Have you given up on pushing Rondo now?

For now yeah.

You bring good points up and I'm starting to wonder if I actually did get tunnelled on something dumb.

I do feel like there was a period Seanzie and Rondo voted together trying to make other wagons but nyeh.

I don't have a good enough reason beyond confirmation bias so I'm dropping it for now.

Dizzy is because I wanted to poke Dizzy.

Because Dizzy started good but I haven't seen anything super townzy from him

You just fell into my trap.

@RondoDimBuckle engage uber tinfoil on Ender!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH [VOTE: Ender ] aubergine

[EnderWiggin]

I mean tbh you can probably flip me and still win as long as y'all don't do stupid shit.

[Michelle]

And thirdly, because I think she should be in the PoE, and needs decent examination today.

Answering at the other post as well, my town range is huge. My wolf range is not. Alison used to call me polarised. She didn't do that in this game because she knows i hate it and she didn't want my attention to switch on her.

Poe me as you like. Ama and if i can i will answer you or everyone else

She kinda did actually.

Not in the post i read.
If i didn't notice then it's my fault for being afk

[EnderWiggin]

I think @DrWilgy should shoot 112 tho.

[MacDougall]

I think @DrWilgy should shoot 112 tho.

In the moments that Alison was defending Seanzie she was pushing 112.

[EnderWiggin]

Guillo or MR then.

Probably MR.

[Michelle]

I think @DrWilgy should shoot 112 tho.

I don't think so

[S~V~S]

This is stupid because svs is caught wolf and no one is listening.

I'd love to be pointed at the part where it became apparent SVS is a caught wolf actually.

As has been discussed, those that know civ SVS can see that a civ SVS would have more fire.

Is it damning that she isn’t doing civ SVS things here? No, it could very well be that she just doesn’t have the time and it’s throwing off people’s meta reads.

I won’t pretend to know SVS as well as any of the other old schoolers, but it makes sense if you look at the viewpoint of those that do.

Conversely? I don’t think anyone in this game is a caught wolf. Otherwise they’d have 20 votes on them

This is getting a bit much. I'm not sure what 'fire' you expect to see. Most of the past fire you've seen is me being pissed that someone murdered my BFF. Hope you're not looking forward to that here.

You don't appear to have answered me when I asked about why you abandoned me at Macs. You got me to vote Mac, then you went and voted for my main suspect at the last second, becasue he wouldn't vote for Mac (which I had done) ignoring the two big wagons, including the one that flipped bad. WTF was that about?

[Party Crasher]

For me it doesnt matter if a person pushed a wolf or got pushed by one if im also scumreading them for another reason. I would advise caution against not considering weird busses. If alison was alive today, i was gonna thunderdome her, and mac if we're both town it would had become a fiesta over her today @MacDougall

-t

[EnderWiggin]

I'm still fairly confident in the people I've cleared tbh.

[Michelle]

Wait is Radishes a zero poster today? Antispew?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I mean tbh you can probably flip me and still win as long as y'all don't do stupid shit.

You havent answered my question. What have you learned from giving your guns out?

[Party Crasher]

Wait is Radishes a zero poster today? Antispew?

Hes bri*ish

Day starts at midnight for him its 11:43 am for him now

[S~V~S]

[VOTE: michelle] aubergine

why?

I have only two games if prior experience with Michelle. In one she was my wolfmate and in the other she was clearly different. She feels like the first here.

Besides that, Alison made a post about how easy Michelle was to read at one point, so casual that it wasn’t so much a town read as a preemptive dismissal that anyone could wolfread Michelle. It pinged me then, it pings me now.

And thirdly, because I think she should be in the PoE, and needs decent examination today.

I am townreading her precisely becasue of Game 1, where you were her teammate. Do you think she really is playing anything like that game? She was evasive and padded her ISO with a lot of mechanically towny stuff, that did not really contribute to game state or even remotely look like hunting. She'd come in, make a couple of innocuous posts, avoid talking about suspicions and leave, until she came directly under the gun.

She doesn't look anything like that to me here. I have not seen her civ game (that I can recall). I'll reread her, but she doesn't look like the one thing I have to compare her to.

[Party Crasher]

I dont know how come rondo isnt being sussed so much anymore but i also HAVENT READ LMAO!!!!!

[Michelle]

Wait is Radishes a zero poster today? Antispew?

Hes bri*ish

Day starts at midnight for him its 11:43 am for him now

And i live at GMT+2
Yet i came here when i woke up
Sod at

[Michelle]

Sod at 2am so no excuse for british ppl

[EnderWiggin]

I mean tbh you can probably flip me and still win as long as y'all don't do stupid shit.

You havent answered my question. What have you learned from giving your guns out?

Scotty probably not a wolf.

I dunno yet about Dr Wilgy, still waiting.

[Michelle]

I dont know how come rondo isnt being sussed so much anymore but i also HAVENT READ LMAO!!!!!

Who are you?

[RondoDimBuckle]

I dont know how come rondo isnt being sussed so much anymore but i also HAVENT READ LMAO!!!!!

Because they have decided that they will let me live for more spew