notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow! game thread [game over mafia won]

[RondoDimBuckle]

A set list from previously isnt what I wanted him to answer with

he hasn't changed that list from like post 600

Incorrect, it just shows how much you are reading my posts

your worldview since post 600 generally has not changed, this is an accurate statement and you've done nothing besides stagnantly push me

Ive told thread I am not going to re-evaluate till you are dead. Or Neon / Pyxxy are the correct flip for counter waganomics from yesterday but I think Pyxxy is town. So I am only happy voting you and Neon today. Seanzie has been pissing me off a bit and Wilgy has been even more wolfy than yesterday. Wilgy is in my POE so I might pivot there. But when it comes down to it. I am pretty certain I am right on you so I am going to keep pushing you. Its not stagnant as Syn said. I have read the game, called you wolf, everything that has happened since then only reinforces my read. You can keep using things like tunnel and stagnant and confbias as much as you want. Its not going to change my mind and are just wolfy tactics to get me to move on from you. Expecially when only people in my POE keep using the same words to try and side defend you. So why do I need to re-evaluate? Nothing has changed

[RondoDimBuckle]

(Lovingly)(but also grumbling)

note the change from yesterday is lpp was put into town but he is dead so that really changes nothing and neon was changed out with him. I was saying as much yesterday but that is the change for today.

[robyn]

there's only one response to that post that i can think of that describes both of our positions (which isn't missionary unfortunately)

[robyn]

A set list from previously isnt what I wanted him to answer with

he hasn't changed that list from like post 600

Incorrect, it just shows how much you are reading my posts

your worldview since post 600 generally has not changed, this is an accurate statement and you've done nothing besides stagnantly push me

Ive told thread I am not going to re-evaluate till you are dead. Or Neon / Pyxxy are the correct flip for counter waganomics from yesterday but I think Pyxxy is town. So I am only happy voting you and Neon today. Seanzie has been pissing me off a bit and Wilgy has been even more wolfy than yesterday. Wilgy is in my POE so I might pivot there. But when it comes down to it. I am pretty certain I am right on you so I am going to keep pushing you. Its not stagnant as Syn said. I have read the game, called you wolf, everything that has happened since then only reinforces my read. You can keep using things like tunnel and stagnant and confbias as much as you want. Its not going to change my mind and are just wolfy tactics to get me to move on from you. Expecially when only people in my POE keep using the same words to try and side defend you. So why do I need to re-evaluate? Nothing has changed

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[robyn]

FUCK

[robyn]

A set list from previously isnt what I wanted him to answer with

he hasn't changed that list from like post 600

Incorrect, it just shows how much you are reading my posts

your worldview since post 600 generally has not changed, this is an accurate statement and you've done nothing besides stagnantly push me

Ive told thread I am not going to re-evaluate till you are dead. Or Neon / Pyxxy are the correct flip for counter waganomics from yesterday but I think Pyxxy is town. So I am only happy voting you and Neon today. Seanzie has been pissing me off a bit and Wilgy has been even more wolfy than yesterday. Wilgy is in my POE so I might pivot there. But when it comes down to it. I am pretty certain I am right on you so I am going to keep pushing you. Its not stagnant as Syn said. I have read the game, called you wolf, everything that has happened since then only reinforces my read. You can keep using things like tunnel and stagnant and confbias as much as you want. Its not going to change my mind and are just wolfy tactics to get me to move on from you. Expecially when only people in my POE keep using the same words to try and side defend you. So why do I need to re-evaluate? Nothing has changed

[RondoDimBuckle]

nice embed fail

[Porscha]

@Porscha are u poly

No lol

[robyn]

@Porscha are u poly

No lol

1984

[Porscha]

(Lovingly)(but also grumbling)

note the change from yesterday is lpp was put into town but he is dead so that really changes nothing and neon was changed out with him. I was saying as much yesterday but that is the change for today.

Fine that's acceptable

[robyn]

nice embed fail

[Porscha]

@Porscha are u poly

No lol

1984

I'm just affectionate and flirty online for fun

[Cape90]

sorry for being pretty MIA today, would have been on a bit earlier but the bowling alley i went to had like no signal lol

[robyn]

@Porscha are u poly

No lol

1984

I'm just affectionate and flirty online for fun

fun (same)

[Porscha]

there's only one response to that post that i can think of that describes both of our positions (which isn't missionary unfortunately)

Vanilla slip

[Porscha]

sorry for being pretty MIA today, would have been on a bit earlier but the bowling alley i went to had like no signal lol

I need you to break out of the bowling alley and break out this game bro lmao

[robyn]

there's only one response to that post that i can think of that describes both of our positions (which isn't missionary unfortunately)

Vanilla slip

the speculum slipped out of my hand as i am responding to you

[Cape90]

rondo and syn both voting for wigly boosts wiglys town equity by a lot for me

you thinking rondo is scum now?

[Cape90]

Okay hold up is anyone town reading wilgy atm

i think he's town but i wouldn't bet on it

i'm gonna vote syn here cause wigly is solving and doing things without an agenda which is more towny than what syn's doing

1. hedgy
2. how do you know he's doing things without an agenda?

[robyn]

rondo and syn both voting for wigly boosts wiglys town equity by a lot for me

you thinking rondo is scum now?

i think no worlds exist where there isn't one in rondo/syn

[Cape90]

it’s hard to solve when getting tunneled, no wonder mac gets so mad

honestly, yeah it really is, I just rage post and then act like i got a gotcha lol. i will give you that tbh

[robyn]

Okay hold up is anyone town reading wilgy atm

i think he's town but i wouldn't bet on it

i'm gonna vote syn here cause wigly is solving and doing things without an agenda which is more towny than what syn's doing

1. hedgy
2. how do you know he's doing things without an agenda?

he's inactive and he has no pushes or opinions here, the only thing he's pushed is lucy/syn needs to be resolved

there's one thought that if we are v/v it's extremely scummy, however i arrived at the same thought in the night so i think it's towny

[RondoDimBuckle]

there's only one response to that post that i can think of that describes both of our positions (which isn't missionary unfortunately)

Vanilla slip

the speculum slipped out of my hand as i am responding to you

shes tried town reading me and getting her fellow wolves to side scum me and undermine my pov to get me to move and now I have shown I wont. She has to fpos me and get rid of me. Shes finally accepted it.

[Cape90]

rondo and syn both voting for wigly boosts wiglys town equity by a lot for me

you thinking rondo is scum now?

i think no worlds exist where there isn't one in rondo/syn

Okay, is it just because Rondo has been perpetually wrong and is being stubborn on things.
You could say the same thing about Syn, how about one you townread, Seanzie.

[Cape90]

i’ll take sheep/porcha/cape as my locktowns

i see you sheeping my town list minus rondo

[Cape90]

there’s nothing to go off with his slot, i just can’t convince myself he’s scum but i will not die over him

like i’m forcing myself to scumread a pure null slot who i know to be wolfsiding

You get points for mindmelding with why I have added those extra comments about the "thread feeling towny"

[RondoDimBuckle]

i’ll take sheep/porcha/cape as my locktowns

i see you sheeping my town list minus rondo

she couldnt if she was preparing to turn around and attempt to win a thunderdome. Except she has already called me town plenty of times yesterday and refused the thunderdome so coming at me now is hilarious and exactly what I want.

[robyn]

rondo and syn both voting for wigly boosts wiglys town equity by a lot for me

you thinking rondo is scum now?

i think no worlds exist where there isn't one in rondo/syn

Okay, is it just because Rondo has been perpetually wrong and is being stubborn on things.
You could say the same thing about Syn, how about one you townread, Seanzie.

seanzie thinks im town, syn town too and thinks rondo/neon/wigly scum which is probably pretty accurate in syn town worlds?

and yes it's because syn/rondo haven't changed their pov's and mafia has avoided stacking on me, that means that mafia was involved in the push because they'd love to bury me and make d2 very stagnant

the fact syn/wigly are almost tied probably means there's a scum there, only because they're so high and so close + intuition

[Cape90]

@DrWilgy why are you voting me instead of syn?

why do you suspect me?

See above.

I suspect you both evenly I think. I don't see myself as wise enough to determine between you two. I do, however, think that Rondo is T and that swings the equity slightly against your favor... Only slightly though.

Voting you I think it optimal for untying the knot of logic I presented above.

i’m sleep deprived as shit so i’ll ask a simple question and state one fact and ask you to vote syn

1) Which ML is significantly worse, mine or syn’s?

2) two of your townreads tr me, rondo sr’s and falcon doesn’t have a read

3) vote syn uwu

let’s assume you miss on me, 2 ML’s left and just dies d3 regardless of alignment then we’re probably at 1 ml until a loss. this is logic i’m considering because most of the thread thinks it’s v/v and i might actually buy that logic to some degree

but i feel if syn is a hit we just win

randomly will answer question 1.

your ML is easily worse, like without you i'm riding the wigly or rondo or tutuu train and I don't mindmeld with rondo and wigly could have higher scum equity? at least he's getting suspicion from more people. And tutuu kinda fell off the face of the earth for me, but this is also me that hasn't deeply read like a good chunk of day 2 content

[RondoDimBuckle]

rondo and syn both voting for wigly boosts wiglys town equity by a lot for me

you thinking rondo is scum now?

i think no worlds exist where there isn't one in rondo/syn

Okay, is it just because Rondo has been perpetually wrong and is being stubborn on things.
You could say the same thing about Syn, how about one you townread, Seanzie.

seanzie thinks im town, syn town too and thinks rondo/neon/wigly scum which is probably pretty accurate in syn town worlds?

and yes it's because syn/rondo haven't changed their pov's and mafia has avoided stacking on me, that means that mafia was involved in the push because they'd love to bury me and make d2 very stagnant

the fact syn/wigly are almost tied probably means there's a scum there, only because they're so high and so close + intuition

Or you are mafia because they stacked every other wagon trying to stop you going over d1

[robyn]

rondo and syn both voting for wigly boosts wiglys town equity by a lot for me

you thinking rondo is scum now?

i think no worlds exist where there isn't one in rondo/syn

Okay, is it just because Rondo has been perpetually wrong and is being stubborn on things.
You could say the same thing about Syn, how about one you townread, Seanzie.

seanzie thinks im town, syn town too and thinks rondo/neon/wigly scum which is probably pretty accurate in syn town worlds?

and yes it's because syn/rondo haven't changed their pov's and mafia has avoided stacking on me, that means that mafia was involved in the push because they'd love to bury me and make d2 very stagnant

the fact syn/wigly are almost tied probably means there's a scum there, only because they're so high and so close + intuition

Or you are mafia because they stacked every other wagon trying to stop you going over d1

who's they and what wagon/players specfically

[Cape90]

Rondo hasn't posted a lot since I was gone. NGL if there really was a thunderdome with Rondo and lucy, I would pick lucy. I don't want that to happen, not yet anyways

[Cape90]

I think Rondo is obvtown and stick by that

[robyn]

don't give him any ideas...

[Cape90]

@DrWilgy why are you voting me instead of syn?

why do you suspect me?

See above.

I suspect you both evenly I think. I don't see myself as wise enough to determine between you two. I do, however, think that Rondo is T and that swings the equity slightly against your favor... Only slightly though.

Voting you I think it optimal for untying the knot of logic I presented above.

i’m sleep deprived as shit so i’ll ask a simple question and state one fact and ask you to vote syn

1) Which ML is significantly worse, mine or syn’s?

2) two of your townreads tr me, rondo sr’s and falcon doesn’t have a read

3) vote syn uwu

let’s assume you miss on me, 2 ML’s left and just dies d3 regardless of alignment then we’re probably at 1 ml until a loss. this is logic i’m considering because most of the thread thinks it’s v/v and i might actually buy that logic to some degree

but i feel if syn is a hit we just win

1.) Syn would be the significantly worse ML I think. Syn draws tension with Rondo and Tutuu with you out of the equation. You draw tension with Rondo, Neon, Seanzie, and Tutuu with syn out of the equation.

2.) true

3.) okie dokei [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

Ew!

I agree, but Lucy just asked me so nicely though.

Lmao... I'm stealth voting this

okay wigly is being odd here

[Cape90]

but i still thinks correct to go between me/syn today

I impolitely disagree.

Me 2

I think if there's a wolf in Syn Lucy it's actually Lucy...I think Lucy could be playing me here but they've felt genuine all through today.

Fucking hell this game sucks where Porscha at y'all got wolf equity and I ain't got no place in this game right now to even start.

you got words to say on Syn? those words obviously make me think you think lucy has been really towny

[Cape90]

here is a take

if seanzie is wolf, neon is town

[Cape90]

okay that might be obvious lmao, I was thinking in a way in which Neon was talking around Sean's suspicion of her

[Cape90]

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep the most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Fixed.



Fuckin mobile

Rondo/Neon contains at least 3 wolves.

Rask is clear.

Pyxxy probably also clear.

Uh...

i think the post is a half-joke when he only put down 2 names

[Cape90]

if lucy is mafia i think her most likely partner is neon

i found more neon posts on page .... um.

page 31

that also seemed non w/w

so ill just take lucy as town

she can always be in wolf range but - what can u do. probabilities and all

Wait... what is this trying to say

If Lucy is mafia it's with me

But me and Lucy are never aligned

I... don't understand this

its obvious that that's what tutuu is implying here

[Cape90]

if we miss d2 then tomorrow it's me/syn cross again and mafia have more influence on the vote

us getting sorted today is optimal, i need to see worlds where syn is scum cause then i can start reading the game

syn scum=rondo town in all worlds, same with me/cape

@Porscha @tutuu

You can already see worlds where syn is scum

You yanking my chain here?

i’m biased as fuck and i know i am and i’m annoyed at that

I just dont quite understand why you're saying some things at all
Like you're just saying shit to say it
"Ah chop syn so I can see worlds where he is wolf" already kinda weird but ok, then
*proceeds to see worlds he is wolf* cool so then why do we have to chop him for you start seeing anything

because i'm fucking stuck and i'm basically forced into this cross between me and syn and i'm kind of forced to scumread him. it's not a fucking organic read, it's contrived as shit. instead here i am basically forced into seeing a world where someone who has done NOTHING in this game except me is scum, it's hard to say that he is with confidence or anything else. ideally after a flip or two i would see if he's been townsiding or wolf siding after that but i don't have the luxury and i'm forced to prematurely evaluate him

Lucy town. I'm not voting there.

dammit this is a good micro read

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Lmao... I'm stealth voting this

it's no longer stealth lol

It will be when i actually do it. Mwahahaha

You'll never know when

[Cape90]

I think pyxxy has been pretty towny these last couple of posts

okay bet

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for anyone analyzing this Rondo screenshot in the future, yes the counts are wrong, what I believe has happened is that lucy had just switched from Neon to me, given this post

joined in on the fun

Damn I trust players on the Bereft wagon more than pyxxy

Wilgy when you said this, do you happen to remember who you saw on the pyxxy wagon? There were either 2 or 3 people besides yourself depending on when you refreshed the page.

joined in on the fun

why'd you kill bereft WHEN I SAID HE WAS TOWN AND I VOTED TO PROTECT HIM

hey @lucy, if you were voting to save Bereft, why did you switch off Neon onto me in the last few minutes?

wilgy y u h8 me

I could never hate you Pyxxy. You are very fun to play with.

However I do think you are wolfing this game.

good sir I haven't randed scum yet on this site and I don't plan to start now

@DrWilgy if I flip town, do you plan to go after Neon D3? Do you think one of the top D1 wagons must be scum?

Further he says the thread is boring and dips rather than actually trying to go into the mesh of it. I don't see how that's town sided.

this I do agree with, unfortunately that was after where I quoted from, seanzie still not showing town to me

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

kk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Define sleepwalk, because I'm seeing Lucy holding contention at 3 with only 1 ahead of Syn with scattered votes that have been voiced as real by the others? This doesn't feel like a sleepwalk at all and there continues to be tension on how we solve the Lucy/Syn bobobingus.

TRs
Falcon
Cape
Rondo
Porscha

Light town to null is:
Tutuu
Neon

Can see wolbes hiding in
Sheep
Pyxxy
Syn or Lucy but never both

I also don't see Neon/Lucy being a thing. I at least believe the behavior between the two early d1 was not w/w.
I don't think Tutuu/Syn could be a thing as if it was a thing I don't think Tutuu would be as pro Lucy.
I don't think Seanzie/Syn could be a thing as I don't think you'd be so pro Lucy.
Neon/Pyxxy aren't a thing per the votes d1.
Sheep/Neon Lucy/Neon are also not a things per the votes d1.

If it's Neon, Sheep and Lucy are both town which would add alot of W equity to Syn.

If it's Lucy, Syn and Rondo are both town which would add alot of W equity to Tutuu/You/Sheep

If it's Pyxxy, Neon is town which further adds alot of W equity to Lucy/Sheep/You

Where am I wrong in drawing these lines?

So you're woofin', right?

Provide a chain of thoughts based upon the associative thoughts

"So you're woofin', right?"

Alright Seanzie. You could at least try to interface with my thoughts here.

Wilgy, this feels like a very odd response from you. You know how Seanzie works. You know he just replies like this sometimes.

You seeming to be exasperated by this feels off.

We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

very reasonable

If its so reasonable why did you shit the bed yesterday going full ATE when I tried to push you over and resolve? More wolf evidence that Lucy is all over the place trying to justify herself

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

you feel like this rondo might be powerwolfing rondo? (sorry for back to back just posting all the quotes I picked)

Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

thoughts on Wilgy's movement if you hold this world view?

Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

I'm talking about my exchange here with Wilgy, where he doesn't bring up that Neon was also tied until I bring it up.

current vote count:

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Bereft, 2
Voters: Seanzie, DrWilgy

Cape90, 0
Voters: None

DrWilgy, 1
Voters: Porscha

falcon45ca, 0
Voters: None

Le petit poussin, 4
Voters: pyxxy, tutuu, Cape90, Bereft

lucy, 2
Voters: Syn, RondoDimBuckle

Neon, 1
Voters: falcon45ca

No Yeet/Sleep, 0
Voters: None

Porscha, 0
Voters: None

pyxxy, 1
Voters: Neon

RondoDimBuckle, 0
Voters: None

Seanzie, 0
Voters: None

Sheep, 0
Voters: None

Syn, 1
Voters: lucy

tutuu, 1
Voters: Le petit poussin

Unvote/Not Voting, 1
Voters: Sheep

didn't realize there were 3 on le petit already, I'm making that a serious wagon, huh

Extract:

"Le petit poussin, 4
Voters: pyxxy, tutuu, Cape90, Bereft"

everyone else gone by -40min from EOD

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all this talk about voting le petit and somehow ten minutes ago I was the only person on le petit?

that feels off

and then le petit _is the NK_ and flips town

this feels odd and/or I'm self-centered

also don't know what to make of Wilgy essentially saving me

It was effectively panic.

I still think you were a fine yeet option, but LPP being on that wagon along with Rondo and Cape being on Bereft made me swap last second.

Was Neon also having 4 votes a part of your panic calculations?

Si. Neon wouldn't have been a good yeet yesterday. There's still time yet for them to town spew.

Okay you are correct which at least makes me feel better about not going there. hopefully not a temporary sensation.

[robyn]

hopefully not a temporary sensation.

i'll give you a temporary sensation if you know what i mean

[Cape90]

I found an extremely scummy post that I want to just safekeep from tutuu. I will be yoinking that secret post thank you very much, you better NK me for this!

[Cape90]

hopefully not a temporary sensation.

i'll give you a temporary sensation if you know what i mean

owo

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Porscha are u poly

No lol

1984

I'm just affectionate and flirty online for fun

Samesies

[Cape90]

is pyxxy towny?

a level 0 thought is that raskol died coz he voted pyxxy

shrug emoji

that technically doesn't say much of anything about pyxxy himself

[robyn]

cape how tall r u

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

here is a take

if seanzie is wolf, neon is town

Here is a take we are both town...(maybe)