Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

There is no team that kills Long Con except for WIFOM reasons, to be blunt.

I don’t agree at all. There are social dynamics here that I don’t expect you to be aware of, but they exist.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con’s death increases the mafia prospects of everyone that knows him very well:

LoRab
S~V~S
Scotty
“JJJ”
Perhaps DrWilgy

Players are more likely to kill people they know. Availability heuristic.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Annoying: the weight of the game is being placed on my shoulders to at least some extent, in that my fate is tied to how well it’s going.

But I don’t really feel heard. If I am the one to receive that responsibility, and I’m okay with that, I’d like for my views to be taken seriously.

[Bereft]

I cannot take Long Con NK views seriously. I can take the rest seriously, but not that.

Long Con was barely doing anything. He popped in just to laugh at Scotty, and left.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I cannot take Long Con NK views seriously. I can take the rest seriously, but not that.

Long Con was barely doing anything. He popped in just to laugh at Scotty, and left.

I think you’re leaving evidence on the table that could help you. I know it’s weird from a game-theoretic perspective to kill Long Con, but there’s a long history of that on this site — especially from the oldest eras (and players). Anyway I won’t press it further with you.

I don’t think LoRab is towny anyway, and if you town read her you should reassess that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Truthfully, I am almost 0% surprised to be alive. It’s a long-running meme (and nuisance) to me on The Syndicate that I rarely die as early as people assume I will. Kill philosophy is wacko here.

[Bereft]

My relative townread on LoRab has declined plenty. It would help if they posted, like seemingly every other person in this game.

[Bereft]

I'm not surprised you didn't die. I'm surprised Robyn didn't die.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Bereft do you think Rondo is town?

[Thunal33]

I have a feeling Rondo might be powerwolfing. He's probably 0 for 3 and his push feels so one note and exaggerated I'm not convinced it's real. I think it actually is wolfy that he keeps tacking on reasons for his case that don't make any sense.

I've seen town Rondo cause chaos and push odd things, but this almost feels like a caricature of him.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Haha here it comes, wait for me to sleep and my two scum reads instantly double post to try to drum up against me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have a feeling Rondo might be powerwolfing. He's probably 0 for 3 and his push feels so one note and exaggerated I'm not convinced it's real. I think it actually is wolfy that he keeps tacking on reasons for his case that don't make any sense.

I've seen town Rondo cause chaos and push odd things, but this almost feels like a caricature of him.

That was my initial impression today, so I don’t fault you for it. However, I think he’s deeply biased by a past game in which I was mafia (Don’t Starve), and he’s wrongly solving around pre-flipping me.

[DrWilgy]

How we managed to yeet a 0 poster over anyone else is baffling to me honestly.

What scenario is anyone like "yeah I'll take the 4/15 before we bring those odds down to 4/8 or 4/10 where townie players can show first effectively making odds more like 4/6 or 7"

I don’t think it was a bad elimination even if I voted Michelle instead. The entire rationale is that solving everyone else can change the subjective probabilities for the zero poster’s flip.

And we’re spared the delibiliting loss of activity.

those subjective probabilities have not had enough time to have actually changed in any significant way, nor have I ever seen them change like so in any significant day 1.

0 poster yeets d1 only stifle town information and solving.

We are not spared the loss of activity, we are spared information that comes with a flip of someone who has at least a small bit of data to observe.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Haha here it comes, wait for me to sleep and my two scum reads instantly double post to try to drum up against me

Sorry to disappoint by drumming up a town argument for you.

[Thunal33]

Spoiler: show

yeah its a frame rescue. It was tvt d1. Wolves had full control of thread

I also think the wagons were t/t but I don't think a coordinated frame rescue makes any sense. If I were wolfing I'd easily go on town Michelle who could be cleared later over no show Seanzie.

This is the post you respond to? This one. lol

You realize I'm catching up and haven't read everything yet?

One one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.

And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.

The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.

And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.

Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.

As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,

While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.

Okay, what you and JJJ said about not wanting to be townread makes sense, and that comment might be NAI coming from you. You said JJJ's play was too much work to be fake, how much experience do you have with him? Afaik he tries hard as both alignments and can't be effort cleared alone.

minor concern

why assume that comment is NAI coming from LoRab if you question how much experience they have with JJJ?

I didn't mean the JJJ comment, I meant the comment about not wanting to be trusted because LoRab is an old school player.

So let me get this straight.

You will respond to the above comment to cape that you were tagged in

and the comment from me that you werent tagged in.

and yet you didnt see at all on that page that I was pushing a you / jjj / cape + 1 angle when there is a 4 minute interval between post 1 and post 2?

Gonna have to press x to doubt here

I saw it, I just didn't think it was worth responding to.

Wait, so which was it?

"Im catching up I cant see everything"

or

"I saw it and I didnt think it was worth responding to"

Because they are diametrically opposed statements

Rondo is probably 0 for 3. Oops.

This is rich just after I caught thunal in a lie

Like this. Playing mafia like an Ace Attorney game is not only incorrect, I've seen wolves do it more often than townies. It's easy to "catch" townies in contradictions and imo it sometimes indicates the person is looking for something to push rather than letting reads form.

[Bereft]

@Bereft do you think Rondo is town?

I do.

I really do.

Granted, the NK doesn't look good for him, but I'm not seeing how he's w here at all, even as everything he does is completely ...

Not everything he does is completely terrible, like there's good content, but the robyn/cape thing is egregious.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Spoiler: show

I also think the wagons were t/t but I don't think a coordinated frame rescue makes any sense. If I were wolfing I'd easily go on town Michelle who could be cleared later over no show Seanzie.

This is the post you respond to? This one. lol

You realize I'm catching up and haven't read everything yet?

Okay, what you and JJJ said about not wanting to be townread makes sense, and that comment might be NAI coming from you. You said JJJ's play was too much work to be fake, how much experience do you have with him? Afaik he tries hard as both alignments and can't be effort cleared alone.

minor concern

why assume that comment is NAI coming from LoRab if you question how much experience they have with JJJ?

I didn't mean the JJJ comment, I meant the comment about not wanting to be trusted because LoRab is an old school player.

So let me get this straight.

You will respond to the above comment to cape that you were tagged in

and the comment from me that you werent tagged in.

and yet you didnt see at all on that page that I was pushing a you / jjj / cape + 1 angle when there is a 4 minute interval between post 1 and post 2?

Gonna have to press x to doubt here

I saw it, I just didn't think it was worth responding to.

Wait, so which was it?

"Im catching up I cant see everything"

or

"I saw it and I didnt think it was worth responding to"

Because they are diametrically opposed statements

Rondo is probably 0 for 3. Oops.

This is rich just after I caught thunal in a lie

Like this. Playing mafia like an Ace Attorney game is not only incorrect, I've seen wolves do it more often than townies. It's easy to "catch" townies in contradictions and imo it sometimes indicates the person is looking for something to push rather than letting reads form.

Then dome me? Instead of this pantomime conversation with JJJ

[DrWilgy]

Also [VOTE: SVS] aubergine.

In reading through LC, I find Scotty to be just town, and now kinda get the SVS wagon. Also skimmed SVS's ISO and they seem to be in range.

[Thunal33]

@Thunal33 what is your impression of my proposed solve?

[S~V~S, LoRab, Michelle, ts account] ||| {Scotty, Thunal}

I'd take out Michelle and replace her with Rondo, and replace me with Abigail.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Bereft do you think Rondo is town?

I do.

I really do.

Granted, the NK doesn't look good for him, but I'm not seeing how he's w here at all, even as everything he does is completely ...

Not everything he does is completely terrible, like there's good content, but the robyn/cape thing is egregious.

wait, how does the NK look bad for me?

how does ANY night kill look bad for me?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How we managed to yeet a 0 poster over anyone else is baffling to me honestly.

What scenario is anyone like "yeah I'll take the 4/15 before we bring those odds down to 4/8 or 4/10 where townie players can show first effectively making odds more like 4/6 or 7"

I don’t think it was a bad elimination even if I voted Michelle instead. The entire rationale is that solving everyone else can change the subjective probabilities for the zero poster’s flip.

And we’re spared the delibiliting loss of activity.

those subjective probabilities have not had enough time to have actually changed in any significant way, nor have I ever seen them change like so in any significant day 1.

0 poster yeets d1 only stifle town information and solving.

We are not spared the loss of activity, we are spared information that comes with a flip of someone who has at least a small bit of data to observe.

I fundamentally disagree, but it’s probably a strategic dialogue more than one that will help you solve so whatever. I proposed a full team theory, and I’d love your take. You may see voting dynamics that I miss.

[DrWilgy]

How we managed to yeet a 0 poster over anyone else is baffling to me honestly.

What scenario is anyone like "yeah I'll take the 4/15 before we bring those odds down to 4/8 or 4/10 where townie players can show first effectively making odds more like 4/6 or 7"

I don’t think it was a bad elimination even if I voted Michelle instead. The entire rationale is that solving everyone else can change the subjective probabilities for the zero poster’s flip.

And we’re spared the delibiliting loss of activity.

those subjective probabilities have not had enough time to have actually changed in any significant way, nor have I ever seen them change like so in any significant day 1.

0 poster yeets d1 only stifle town information and solving.

We are not spared the loss of activity, we are spared information that comes with a flip of someone who has at least a small bit of data to observe.

I fundamentally disagree, but it’s probably a strategic dialogue more than one that will help you solve so whatever. I proposed a full team theory, and I’d love your take. You may see voting dynamics that I miss.

Will look for it later. In notify response/top of head thought mode rn.

[Bereft]

@Bereft do you think Rondo is town?

I do.

I really do.

Granted, the NK doesn't look good for him, but I'm not seeing how he's w here at all, even as everything he does is completely ...

Not everything he does is completely terrible, like there's good content, but the robyn/cape thing is egregious.

wait, how does the NK look bad for me?

how does ANY night kill look bad for me?

Don't worry about it.
Let J³ worry about that one.

[Thunal33]

Spoiler: show

This is the post you respond to? This one. lol

You realize I'm catching up and haven't read everything yet?

minor concern

why assume that comment is NAI coming from LoRab if you question how much experience they have with JJJ?

I didn't mean the JJJ comment, I meant the comment about not wanting to be trusted because LoRab is an old school player.

So let me get this straight.

You will respond to the above comment to cape that you were tagged in

and the comment from me that you werent tagged in.

and yet you didnt see at all on that page that I was pushing a you / jjj / cape + 1 angle when there is a 4 minute interval between post 1 and post 2?

Gonna have to press x to doubt here

I saw it, I just didn't think it was worth responding to.

Wait, so which was it?

"Im catching up I cant see everything"

or

"I saw it and I didnt think it was worth responding to"

Because they are diametrically opposed statements

Rondo is probably 0 for 3. Oops.

This is rich just after I caught thunal in a lie

Like this. Playing mafia like an Ace Attorney game is not only incorrect, I've seen wolves do it more often than townies. It's easy to "catch" townies in contradictions and imo it sometimes indicates the person is looking for something to push rather than letting reads form.

Then dome me? Instead of this pantomime conversation with JJJ

Nah. I'd like to read the thread in peace for a bit.

[Bereft]

Anyways, yeah, Rondo is 100% town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Thunal33 what is your impression of my proposed solve?

[S~V~S, LoRab, Michelle, ts account] ||| {Scotty, Thunal}

I'd take out Michelle and replace her with Rondo, and replace me with Abigail.

I’m a bit confused by your Michelle take. I thought she got worse at EOD, and you seemed to feel the opposite. What did you like?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyways, yeah, Rondo is 100% town.

I have the same instinct even if not that degree of confidence. Very well.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The game feels POE solved to me.

[Thunal33]

I have a feeling Rondo might be powerwolfing. He's probably 0 for 3 and his push feels so one note and exaggerated I'm not convinced it's real. I think it actually is wolfy that he keeps tacking on reasons for his case that don't make any sense.

I've seen town Rondo cause chaos and push odd things, but this almost feels like a caricature of him.

That was my initial impression today, so I don’t fault you for it. However, I think he’s deeply biased by a past game in which I was mafia (Don’t Starve), and he’s wrongly solving around pre-flipping me.

Does he tend to want to catch people who beat him in past games like that?

I remember when I played with him when he was town he had a bit more willingness to change his stance. It was more "chaos and making a lot of different pushes" rather than pushing an exact solve despite everyone's objections.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have a feeling Rondo might be powerwolfing. He's probably 0 for 3 and his push feels so one note and exaggerated I'm not convinced it's real. I think it actually is wolfy that he keeps tacking on reasons for his case that don't make any sense.

I've seen town Rondo cause chaos and push odd things, but this almost feels like a caricature of him.

That was my initial impression today, so I don’t fault you for it. However, I think he’s deeply biased by a past game in which I was mafia (Don’t Starve), and he’s wrongly solving around pre-flipping me.

Does he tend to want to catch people who beat him in past games like that?

I remember when I played with him when he was town he had a bit more willingness to change his stance. It was more "chaos and making a lot of different pushes" rather than pushing an exact solve despite everyone's objections.

I don’t have an answer to the initial question. I think he believes he has to hard tunnel me to ever get me eliminated because of my voice and influence. And his suspicions of you and Cape are tied to his suspicions of me, so it all drags forward.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I have a feeling Rondo might be powerwolfing. He's probably 0 for 3 and his push feels so one note and exaggerated I'm not convinced it's real. I think it actually is wolfy that he keeps tacking on reasons for his case that don't make any sense.

I've seen town Rondo cause chaos and push odd things, but this almost feels like a caricature of him.

That was my initial impression today, so I don’t fault you for it. However, I think he’s deeply biased by a past game in which I was mafia (Don’t Starve), and he’s wrongly solving around pre-flipping me.

Does he tend to want to catch people who beat him in past games like that?

I remember when I played with him when he was town he had a bit more willingness to change his stance. It was more "chaos and making a lot of different pushes" rather than pushing an exact solve despite everyone's objections.

Beat? I seem to remember I caught JJJ in that one. I wanted him D2 and again people ignored me.

[Thunal33]

fwiw I have a bit of paranoia about Abi since when we've played as t/t I've found her solid town by now. When you take out her pushing Jay I feel like she hasn't done some of the trademarks I've seen from town Abi. Like she seemed less invested in the chop than I've seen her be before. I'd expect her to take a stronger stance on not killing a 0 poster.

[Bereft]

I don't actually like Thunal's posting at the moment, but this might just be a me thing and not an actual cause for concern. Feels rote.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

fwiw I have a bit of paranoia about Abi since when we've played as t/t I've found her solid town by now. When you take out her pushing Jay I feel like she hasn't done some of the trademarks I've seen from town Abi. Like she seemed less invested in the chop than I've seen her be before. I'd expect her to take a stronger stance on not killing a 0 poster.

She’s probably my most “purgatory” read. Town GTH, but that could easily change with the wind.

[RondoDimBuckle]

fwiw I have a bit of paranoia about Abi since when we've played as t/t I've found her solid town by now. When you take out her pushing Jay I feel like she hasn't done some of the trademarks I've seen from town Abi. Like she seemed less invested in the chop than I've seen her be before. I'd expect her to take a stronger stance on not killing a 0 poster.

@☆Princess Abigail☆ Lets mention her and why dont you address your concerns straight to her instead of just sending sus out into the ether?

[Bereft]

Frankly, I don't know why everyone decided that Neon pushing J³ was such a good look, her later posts were much better.

[Thunal33]

@Thunal33 what is your impression of my proposed solve?

[S~V~S, LoRab, Michelle, ts account] ||| {Scotty, Thunal}

I'd take out Michelle and replace her with Rondo, and replace me with Abigail.

I’m a bit confused by your Michelle take. I thought she got worse at EOD, and you seemed to feel the opposite. What did you like?

Imo the biggest point was how she reacted to your sus.

I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock

I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock

"I don't think Jay makes this post as mafia." is a pretty assertive statement.

It helps town imo. A simple logic tells me that mafia is not posting that.
I will not make a wall to explain it more

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

You misinterpret my post into a lock read.
If i was good with voting Sean I would
You're stretching things and i want to know why

I expected you to carry on your line of questioning in some capacity to get a better read on me or something. I was not anticipating such a quick acceptance. You were right to ask me why I voted for someone with no posts, but now I am forced to ask myself if you were truly invested in that question.

Yes, I made my own judgement.
I didn't follow you

This read as stubborn towny entitlement to me. I explained it a bit before but I think these and her other responses to you come from a stubborn townie who believes her reads are valid.

I also thought the initial read you took issue with made sense.

On that note, @DarlingMonroe:

If you find it impossible to fully catch up, because the thread has grown too large, then I will make the following suggestion. Don't. I still very much want you to make posts, but if time only allows you to choose between 1) trying and failing to catch up, or 2) just entering the thread and playing from the current page --> please choose #2. Fully catching up is not always necessary to play the game, and you may be better off just jumping in fresh.

If you do have time to fully catch up AND get involved before we run out of Daylight (only four hours), then go ahead.

I don't think Jay makes this post as mafia

I think it's reasonable mafia Jay would want DM to fall behind and not get in the conversation if she's town.

[Thunal33]

Frankly, I don't know why everyone decided that Neon pushing J³ was such a good look, her later posts were much better.

what did you like about them?

[RondoDimBuckle]

This posting is just so bizarre. I am loving it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock

This post in particular pinged me. The second line is shade, and wolf Michelle is notorious for omgus. I think it’s her instinct. Even after town reading me, she couldn’t resist the shade.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I thought she reacted to my sus like a wolf. It’s too hard to describe in more detail on my phone though.

[Thunal33]

I'll give it a rest on Rondo atm. Enough people I townread are telling me I'm wrong that I'll look elsewhere for now.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I'll give it a rest on Rondo atm. Enough people I townread are telling me I'm wrong that I'll look elsewhere for now.

I love being discussed like I am not right here real timing with people. Like I am in the room listening to NPC's talk back and forth. Its just so surreal its funny

[RondoDimBuckle]

fwiw I have a bit of paranoia about Abi since when we've played as t/t I've found her solid town by now. When you take out her pushing Jay I feel like she hasn't done some of the trademarks I've seen from town Abi. Like she seemed less invested in the chop than I've seen her be before. I'd expect her to take a stronger stance on not killing a 0 poster.

@☆Princess Abigail☆ Lets mention her and why dont you address your concerns straight to her instead of just sending sus out into the ether?

*taps mic* is this thing on?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bereft town
Cape town
robyn town
Rondo town
DM town
Wilgy town

Does anyone strongly disagree with any of the above (that hasn’t recently made themselves clear)?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Bereft town
Cape town
robyn town
Rondo town
DM town
Wilgy town

Does anyone strongly disagree with any of the above (that hasn’t recently made themselves clear)?

Why is thunal not town?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll give it a rest on Rondo atm. Enough people I townread are telling me I'm wrong that I'll look elsewhere for now.

I love being discussed like I am not right here real timing with people. Like I am in the room listening to NPC's talk back and forth. Its just so surreal its funny

Do you guys think Rondo will see this post? This one that I am posting right now.

[Thunal33]

I don't clear you. I lean you town
I doubt you can't notice its not a lock

This post in particular pinged me. The second line is shade, and wolf Michelle is notorious for omgus. I think it’s her instinct. Even after town reading me, she couldn’t resist the shade.

I saw it as "come on, you have to notice this" rather than shade.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bereft town
Cape town
robyn town
Rondo town
DM town
Wilgy town

Does anyone strongly disagree with any of the above (that hasn’t recently made themselves clear)?

Why is thunal not town?

GTH she is, but she kinda fits with some of my suspects.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Bereft town
Cape town
robyn town
Rondo town
DM town
Wilgy town

Does anyone strongly disagree with any of the above (that hasn’t recently made themselves clear)?

Why is thunal not town?

GTH she is, but she kinda fits with some of my suspects.

What do you read out of the fact they are not responding to me at all? Does that not strike you as odd in the slightest?