Ted Lasso Mafia - game over!

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Light green to Abigail and S~V~S as partners (probably not, but possibly)

Fun fact I've been told I'm awful with tmi as wolf

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

But that my town reads look like tmi as town

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Have fun

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

There is a reasonable precedent established on The Syndicate for mafia cursers to target their own members. It's an old tradition (and cursing roles themselves are kind of an old tradition). I think it's barely a mechanical credit to Scotty that he was targeted, but not clearing.

The better question is probably what is Scotty doing with his condition? I appreciate that he is at least trying to be coherent within his limitations.

Gonna claim now that if I get cursed I won't post

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

GTH reads on my POE pool:

Abigail - mafia
LoRab - mafia
Michelle - mafia
Scotty - town
S~V~S - mafia
Thunal - town
ts account - mafia

One mafia too many, but that's okay with me. Also I am probably far too biased by my own analytic workload to be able to achieve proper "GTH reads" at this point, but whatever I AM bored.

Your read on me changes faster than my emotional stability

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Thanks robyn and Bereft, truly. You've made an extremely difficult task plausible, and who knows -- maybe that's the extra leg that pushes town over the line.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

That seems...a bit over the top

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay

[JaggedJimmyJay]

GTH reads on my POE pool:

Abigail - mafia
LoRab - mafia
Michelle - mafia
Scotty - town
S~V~S - mafia
Thunal - town
ts account - mafia

One mafia too many, but that's okay with me. Also I am probably far too biased by my own analytic workload to be able to achieve proper "GTH reads" at this point, but whatever I AM bored.

Your read on me changes faster than my emotional stability

Definitely torn on you, yes.

Who are your strongest town reads?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Would bet GTH Neon is a wolf atm, in concurrence with Thunal based off something dumb.

Explain cause bad and wrong

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Michele is town

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

@Michelle as your time permits, I think the absolute best thing you could provide are your impressions of these people (maybe from an ISO skim):

S~V~S, LoRab, Scotty, Abigail
Town, Dunno, Wolfy, Town
or any subset of them if you don't have time

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I was very serious about suspecting Michelle and am a bit irked that folks hardly engaged. Her reads did not look real, and that has been the common theme every time I have seen her as mafia.

what do you think about me hard pushing the chop away from her if she does flip red?

also i am expecting her to towntell today and i'm conscious of the fact that she's been pocket-y towards me

If I call you town this game will I cry post game

you cried post game bc of misreading me?

I cry a lot...I blame the hormones

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

But maybe

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Not directly that

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

But related

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

besides michelle do you have any sr's

Not concretely. I have vague suspicions, like of S~V~S, that I could not as clearly describe. Others are hard null.

I might scum read Rondo. But I might also take your advice and ignore for the time being.

cape/rondo/bereft/me

my towncore

you can't disagree with any name here.

I bet I could

who? why?

Tinfoil

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm tinfoiling a you/JJJ possibly Bereft and Thunal team that just decided to power wolf this game to death

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Someone tell me why Michelle is town.

Someone tell me why vigi didn't end Michelle night 1

ask vig lol

I'd love to

Vigilante step forward pls you must be stoned

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm the towniest town

you’re not

Hot... but Mac would find me

Git gud

Like Mac

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I feel like Abigail is town, and my null read is just outdated stubbornness. Her treatment of me was town.

Swap her with Scotty in my solve.

Better yes. I should be obv town

You aren't.

Skill issue tbh

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

abbie feels hollow and her past 15 posts are almost offensive

Hot

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

abbie is a player i can't read, so when i just randed wolf against her i watched her like a hawk, and she doesn't feel invested here, reads or time wise

and she doesn't even like wolfing

Correct I'm not invested

Not because I'm a wolf

I just don't fucking care I got other things on my mind

Now to be frank. I hate wolfing... but I wolf my cute little ass off until my team is in a position to win. I don't dip till game is GG as wolf.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

This is probably best not done. Innocent mistake, but not exactly rules-kosher.

I think I've done a far more egregious thing this page than that post

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

working my way, on page 26 rn + writing a reply with multiple quotes

Be obvtown pls

It was than that she realized

This did not happen

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

GTH reads on my POE pool:

Abigail - mafia
LoRab - mafia
Michelle - mafia
Scotty - town
S~V~S - mafia
Thunal - town
ts account - mafia

One mafia too many, but that's okay with me. Also I am probably far too biased by my own analytic workload to be able to achieve proper "GTH reads" at this point, but whatever I AM bored.

Your read on me changes faster than my emotional stability

Definitely torn on you, yes.

Who are your strongest town reads?

I'll get there

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

J3 Robyn team is just GGs

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Like they control this game entirely

[RondoDimBuckle]

Like they control this game entirely

Why didnt you join me pushing JJJ all the first 24 hours+ of this day phase? why now?

[S~V~S]

OK, I had a pretty ugly day yesterday, it involved going to another state to help a family member in an emergency. Everyone is all right, I picked up my dog and am back home. It could have been worse, it was the next state over, but still. Didn't have much time for Mafia.

Will try to catch up to why I have 3 votes, but I'm shot. Gonna make some coffee and be back in a bit, to read my @'s and try to catch up at least somewhat.

[S~V~S]

Oh two votes. Well, that's not that bad lol.

[S~V~S]

Plausible Thunal teams within my interactive analysis (so S~V~S/Scotty combinations included):

[Thunal, Michelle, SVS, ts account] - all ts account | Michelle/S~V~S; Thunal/Michelle | Thunal/S~V~S
[Thunal, Michelle, Abigail, ts account] - all ts account | Michelle/Abigail; Thunal/Michelle | Thunal/Abigail
[Thunal, Michelle, LoRab, ts account] - all ts account | Michelle/LoRab; Thunal/Michelle | Thunal/LoRab
[Thunal, Scotty, Abigail, ts account] - all ts account | Abigail/Scotty; Thunal/Abigail | Thunal/Scotty
[Thunal, SVS, LoRab, ts account] - all ts account | LoRab/S~V~S; Thunal/S~V~S | Thunal/LoRab
[Thunal, Abigail, LoRab, ts account] - all ts account | Abigail/LoRab; Thunal/LoRab | Thunal/Abigail
[Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, ts account] - all ts account; Scotty/Michelle; Thunal/Scotty | Thunal/Michelle
[Thunal, Scotty, LoRab, ts account] - all ts account; Scotty/LoRab; Thunal/Scotty | Thunal/LoRab
[Thunal, Michelle, SVS, LoRab] - S~V~S/LoRab | S~V~S/Michelle | Michelle/LoRab; all Thunal
[Thunal, Michelle, Abigail, LoRab] - Michelle/Abigail | Michelle/LoRab | Abigail/LoRab, all Thunal
[Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, Abigail] - Abigail/Michelle | Abigail/Scotty; Scotty/Michelle; all Thunal
[Thunal, Scotty, Abigail, LoRab] - Abigail/Scotty | Abigail/LoRab; LoRab/Scotty; all Thunal
[Thunal, SVS, Abigail, ts account] - all ts account; all Thunal | S~V~S/Abigail
[Thunal, Michelle, SVS, Abigail] - Michelle/Abigail | Michelle/S~V~S; S~V~S/Abigail | all Thunal
[Thunal, SVS, Abigail, LoRab] - LoRab/Abigail | LoRab/S~V~S; all Thunal | S~V~S/Abigail
[Thunal, Scotty, Michelle, LoRab] - Michelle/LoRab; Scotty/LoRab | Scotty/Michelle; all Thunal

I might have overlooked something here. This requires immense concentration. But it should be a reasonably complete summary. Once again I have loosely ranked them from most to least viable (very subjective).

OK, I'm pretty smart and I have an (old) STEM degree, but this is insane. What does this even mean? I mean I get the theme, but I'm not sure how to interpret the annotations.

When you said something to me in the Severance chat about something remindind you of your ten years ago self, I didn't realize you were being nostalgic ha ha

[S~V~S]

Also why does LoRab have votes? It's Hanukah and she's a Rabbi. I checked and she hasn't posted in days. Good lord.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...

Abigails Rad Ass Reads List

Reads List Brought to you By Tomoyo Daidouji

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬ -

Imagine being the most towny town to ever town

‪Bereft‬ -

Okay so imagine right. Imagine you town read Bereft off Robyn's TR because it's the easy thing to do but than when you start paying attention you realize something. Bereft is a shell of the Bereft I remember in Nooks mafia league game when I like changed my whole style of reading mafia because of something he said. There his reads were thought provoking but he didn't just surface level them. He was the only one besides me who defended Rem because like she was playing too dumb to be a wolf. But here is like Abbi is wolfy when in reality I feel like he should be able to look deeper at my play like he did there with Rem. I feel like he's taking the easy route. The route that allows him to move fluidly to the easiest kill without drawing suspicion.

‪Cape90‬ -

So not gonna lie part of this is just like I think the wolf world I'm settling into is like never compatible with Cape. I want them to answer me about their read on me but I think the way they are pushing back against consensus is pretty towny because it feels like genuine solving

‪DarlingMonroe‬ -

I really wanted DM to be towny but they dropped like one post that was pretty meh than dipped. No real takes on anyone. Half the players are solidly null like they are afraid to take a stand. Just...mid.

‪DrWilgy‬ -

Vibes. But also like there's a few micro tells I have for Wilgy he's hit in how he posts as town and how he solves

‪JaggedJimmyJay‬ -

I feel like...J3 is actively flooding the thread in a way that LOOKS beneficial to town but is actually extremely harmful to town. Okay so imagine a town of like Wilgy SVS DM fuck even me. We are so far behind that flooding the thread means we can never have a full picture of the game. If the team is Robyn and J3 than like... fuck and if it's Robyn J3 Bereft straight GGs they have successfully flooded out all of town.

In effect I also just don't find J3s attitude of "I've solved the game" too match the thread state and I think his solving is easily faked by him and not as great as everyone thinks. I feel like his paired teams are just like... surface level reads that feel hollow

‪LoRab‬ -

I don't remember any of their posts

‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

‪robyn‬ -

I feel like Robyn is hyping up them and J3 carrying this game but I can't remember anything Robyn has contributed besides chopping an AFK towny to save an lhf towny EoD1... maybe and like posting a bunch of nothing. Which reminds me of the game we just played where Robyn was wolf and did not try to actively solve until they were on the block

‪RondoDimBuckle‬ -

Rondo is just unhinged hyper crazy town Rondo and his holier than thou listen to me I solved the game attitude never comes from wolf

‪Scotty‬ -

I think that their day 1 was bad and I can't get over it and I think this posting gimmick is always used onto a wolf that's in the PoE to make them look townier.

Tell me now what wolf team doesn't gimmick Bereft Robyn J3 fuck even Thunal or Me over PoEd Scotty if your gonna target a town. Like you rather the loud voices and make them harder to understand.

‪S~V~S‬ -

A couple towny posts day 1 that got this read snowballing and hit home with me. I think the attitude and frustration is always from town in the posts I'm thinking of. Could use them being around today though to lock this in stone cold.

‪Thunal33‬ -

Their entrance today was badge but their push on me makes... more sense than Robyn's and Berefts. Meh.

‪not reading ts account

Town Core

Rondo
SVS
Cape
Wilgy
Michelle

Game is fucking hard anyone acting like it's not is...nagl

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Like they control this game entirely

Why didnt you join me pushing JJJ all the first 24 hours+ of this day phase? why now?

Rondo... when was I active before tonight?

[S~V~S]

Can someone explain the Michelle case to me? Imma read her ISO, I recall she had votes Day 1, but I never caught up to why.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Can someone explain the Michelle case to me? Imma read her ISO, I recall she had votes Day 1, but I never caught up to why.

She's town

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'll willfully kill myself to shield any of my town core

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Bye bye

[S~V~S]

Spoiler: show

Imagine if Abigail did a reads list...

Abigails Rad Ass Reads List

Reads List Brought to you By Tomoyo Daidouji

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬ -

Imagine being the most towny town to ever town

‪Bereft‬ -

Okay so imagine right. Imagine you town read Bereft off Robyn's TR because it's the easy thing to do but than when you start paying attention you realize something. Bereft is a shell of the Bereft I remember in Nooks mafia league game when I like changed my whole style of reading mafia because of something he said. There his reads were thought provoking but he didn't just surface level them. He was the only one besides me who defended Rem because like she was playing too dumb to be a wolf. But here is like Abbi is wolfy when in reality I feel like he should be able to look deeper at my play like he did there with Rem. I feel like he's taking the easy route. The route that allows him to move fluidly to the easiest kill without drawing suspicion.

‪Cape90‬ -

So not gonna lie part of this is just like I think the wolf world I'm settling into is like never compatible with Cape. I want them to answer me about their read on me but I think the way they are pushing back against consensus is pretty towny because it feels like genuine solving

‪DarlingMonroe‬ -

I really wanted DM to be towny but they dropped like one post that was pretty meh than dipped. No real takes on anyone. Half the players are solidly null like they are afraid to take a stand. Just...mid.

‪DrWilgy‬ -

Vibes. But also like there's a few micro tells I have for Wilgy he's hit in how he posts as town and how he solves

‪JaggedJimmyJay‬ -

I feel like...J3 is actively flooding the thread in a way that LOOKS beneficial to town but is actually extremely harmful to town. Okay so imagine a town of like Wilgy SVS DM fuck even me. We are so far behind that flooding the thread means we can never have a full picture of the game. If the team is Robyn and J3 than like... fuck and if it's Robyn J3 Bereft straight GGs they have successfully flooded out all of town.

In effect I also just don't find J3s attitude of "I've solved the game" too match the thread state and I think his solving is easily faked by him and not as great as everyone thinks. I feel like his paired teams are just like... surface level reads that feel hollow

‪LoRab‬ -

I don't remember any of their posts

‪Michelle‬ -

Their play today is town tonally, vibes, frustration , purity, posting.

‪robyn‬ -

I feel like Robyn is hyping up them and J3 carrying this game but I can't remember anything Robyn has contributed besides chopping an AFK towny to save an lhf towny EoD1... maybe and like posting a bunch of nothing. Which reminds me of the game we just played where Robyn was wolf and did not try to actively solve until they were on the block

‪RondoDimBuckle‬ -

Rondo is just unhinged hyper crazy town Rondo and his holier than thou listen to me I solved the game attitude never comes from wolf

‪Scotty‬ -

I think that their day 1 was bad and I can't get over it and I think this posting gimmick is always used onto a wolf that's in the PoE to make them look townier.

Tell me now what wolf team doesn't gimmick Bereft Robyn J3 fuck even Thunal or Me over PoEd Scotty if your gonna target a town. Like you rather the loud voices and make them harder to understand.

‪S~V~S‬ -

A couple towny posts day 1 that got this read snowballing and hit home with me. I think the attitude and frustration is always from town in the posts I'm thinking of. Could use them being around today though to lock this in stone cold.

‪Thunal33‬ -

Their entrance today was badge but their push on me makes... more sense than Robyn's and Berefts. Meh.

‪not reading ts account

Town Core

Rondo
SVS
Cape
Wilgy
Michelle

Game is fucking hard anyone acting like it's not is...nagl

I am here, I had a family issue yesterday.

LoRab hasn't posted in several days, but it is a Jewish Holiday, and she's a Rabbi and teaches kids at her synagogue, so I'd imagine it's a busy week for her. It makes me kinda sad that she has votes.

I still haven't checked my @s (or gotten my coffee).

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think I'm the only person town reading you

[S~V~S]

I only got up to page 12.

But gotta go get ready for work, and will be 90% likely to be in the car when the poll ends unless the traffic gods smile on me, so i gotta vote now.

Gonna vote Scotty, he looks a bit flailing to me, of everyone, he's the only person who seriously pinged me. Of the others with votes, Michelle hasn't said enough for me to get a sense of her, and not voting Robyn. I'd rather give the host a day to wed out/replace no shows.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

what do you mean by flailing?

Struggling to survive. Flailing specifically means like those pictures you see of a person standing on the edge of a deep drop, windmilling their arms to keep from falling. That's flailing.

And since apparently (afai can tell) Scotty is the reason I am so sus (even though the only reason i spent two hours talking about him and only him Friday AM is becasue I woke up to 8 or 9 notifications from him, and I try to answer my @'s since i know I don't like it when people ignore me. Thinking about it now, he is reminding me more of his play in Don't Starve than anything, where we were t/t. Scotty has an almost hysteria component to him when he gets on a roll (meant w/love @Scotty no shade intended) that I tend to read as bad. But yeah, I don't want to talk about him anymore

I think I'm the only person town reading you

Well thanks for that; but it's a good reason you shouldn't say you'll sacrifice yourself for your reads, though.

It was a bit less intimidating coming in here with you being the only other person in here , lol.

[S~V~S]

Probably leaning DM or SVS over scotty as 4th atm just because 3 wolves on Seanzie is a lot.

Silly Rondo, if I was bad I would have killed you. It’s just WiFoM but you know it’s true.

And definitely not LC, who I have a high success rate against, one on one.

So keep leaning. BBL going to bed.

Hey this and S~V~S's return is indeed scummy

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

Whenever I am wolf, I usually make these type of bad WIFOM arguments when I am usually not the one controlling the NKs anyways so it's kinda just bad

Probably leaning DM or SVS over scotty as 4th atm just because 3 wolves on Seanzie is a lot.

Silly Rondo, if I was bad I would have killed you. It’s just WiFoM but you know it’s true.

And definitely not LC, who I have a high success rate against, one on one.

So keep leaning. BBL going to bed.

Why? Fluff my ego.

I’m fairly sure you can read me better than most people in this thread.

I also don’t have high confidence of maintaining a facade long term with you. Which would be my weakness rather than your strength, so fluff away.

Yes even with this

Okay but who comes into the thread IMMEDIATELY into a day proclaiming they aren't mafia because WIFOM? Doesn't sound like a towny thing to me

I do.

I was pleased to see Rondo show up to play, and not happy that he was eyeing me. And what I said was 100% true, and really aimed mainly at Rondo. If I were bad I would have pushed hard to kill him. I realize if i were bad, I wouldn't be the only decision maker, killing is a team call. But I tend to be a strong (read bossy) presence in baddie chat.

If I were bad I would find Rondo the biggest threat to me personally. And I do think he knows this.

Also, I don't spend alot of time worrying about what sounds "towny" since that seems to fluctuate, and be based on individual opinion.

[S~V~S]

At this point I have seen enough from others suspecting Scotty and felt good enough about it that I am fully demoting him to a mafia read. And he might be my only mafia read. Other suspects are just null.

So just to be clear- you’re on board because others have found independent indictments, and you yourself are just going along with them.

Oof. This might be bad Jay after all

OK, this is the last time I quote you, I promise.

I know you have told me games blend together for you. And we both died day/night 1 in that game due to circular suspicion, But I invite you to check jays ISO in Don't Starve, compare it to this, and come back and tell us he's bad again.

Also interested in me kissing babies

Now see, this is confirmation bias. Not you specifically, but in general with this whole town reading business. The new way to play, we're supposed to be looking for town. But also pointing out what you find town is ALSO pocketing. And imo this is 100% due to the lens a person is looking at a post through, whether it's "towny" or "pocketing". If someone you trust had made that post, which was very basic and far from fawning, you would not have even given it a second thought.

I think your play in that game looks nothing like this, so i said so. I am not interested in kissing up to you, I find the mental image of you kissing babies a bit hilarious, but based on the huge dichotomy between DS Jay and this Jay, I don't think you're bad, so there

[S~V~S]

Spoiler: show

Do Thunal33 and S~V~S fit together as mafia teammates?

From Thunal

Spoiler: show

S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Knowing SVS, do you still think she's sucking up to Jay?

Spoiler: show

@S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.

Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I'm liking Cape so far, I think his curiosity about my RVS vote question was good and it feels like he's saying whatever takes come to mind.

Long Con
Scotty
JJJ
Cape

everyone else

LoRab
SVS

Spoiler: show

@S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

S~V~S is bad. She's humouring in there like nobody's business. Setting the scene, agreeable. If I were cruder and didn't know S~V~S, she's also sucking up to Jay, possibly pocketing.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.

Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I don't really have any yet, or didn't as of this AM. My posts are a commentary, that's how I develop reads.

You seem a bit more aggro, and less considered, than I tend to associate with you. You're a person who weighs and balances, and this feels kinda the opposite, almost a bit jumpy.

Jay asked me a question about LC, I talked about how I feel about LC. Scotty is freaking me out. It doesn't mean I find any of it AI.

Tbh, my level of aggression depends on what kind of reads I have. This game I happened to find a couple pings right off the bat but some games I can go all day 1 without scumleans.

@Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?

Like, following up on the post somehow in the moment. You did ask what made him say that, but I'd expect a take on him from it or prodding him about other things to try to get a read.

I do actually. When prompted to iso S~V~S to find the game I was referencing for comparison, I saw some posts I liked.

@S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Probably. We tend to circle, and in the last game we played, I was bad and railroaded him hideously. I would be surprised if he wasn't somewhat paranoid of me. I haven't read why he susses me yet, I'm answering my @'s first.

Watching your game, I figured out what triggers me about him, he has an almost theatricality about him, that I view as acting to an extent, and to me acting = (in a Mafia game) fake = bad. So I was kinda interested to see what our dynamic was here.

Good, will elaborate on wrt the third quote, since it elaborates on this point.

One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.

This is a correct reaction to my presence. For that matter, any interest at all in reading my slot tends to be is a good sign.

@S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

In my experience, mafia does not do this often, that is, give up trade secrets of how they play. If SVS if mafia, they can simply not say this and instead push LC on the expressed basis.

And in general, a recurring theme with SVS's posts is that I find them honest on a fundamental level. Whereas Scotty accused SVS of having comments and no reads, I think this is a good thing. Mafia is more inclined to bother forcing comments into reads, and whenever they get around to it to explaining their comments in more detail, SVS makes sense in why they havent turned observations into reada. I've played with town SVS at least once, and all of this has been congruent with my impression of them as generally not having alot of hard feelings on a lot of people.

Tbh, I think your point on SVS saying LC is an easy elim when she's bad makes sense. I don't necessarily agree on mafia being more inclined to force comments because sometimes it's hard to take hard stances as mafia.

I have a bit less confidence on my read on her since her return and she's someone I'm having a hard time sorting. Even on her return, she felt a bit more blendy and not ruffling feathers than I remember town SVS being. However I know my town style varies a lot based on what reads I have and it could be that SVS just doesn't have a reason to ruffle feathers yet.

If we assume Thunal is mafia, I don't think this is a good fit. S~V~S was Thunal's first real target, and I get the impression she'd have stayed the course [as mafia] were it not for Bereft's intervention.

From S~V~S

Spoiler: show

@robyn @Bereft why are you voting me?

Also which one of you voted first?

because he voted you, second

Is there another reason? I saw your filler post about her. I tend to be somewhat paranoid of Thunal after watching her from the chatroom in Se7en. Since then, I've taken some fairly strong stances on her towniness in other games, but it was specifically becasue of things she said in those games, rather than as a meta overview. I have to work to actively find her, if that makes sense.

OK, I've just skipped around, I'll actually read back a bit before work.

oops, SVS I was going to ask you what your takes on LC/Scotty were.

I think LC is prolly town, I think Scotty is possibly not.

@Thunal33 “investigate”? I’m watching him and reading his posts. How else am I supposed to investigate? Give him a DNA test?

That last post has a "what kind of comment was that??" sassy appeal that I think is more likely to come in mafia-town interactions than mafia-mafia.

~~~

I tend to doubt these two are both mafia. Unlikely teammates.

"Sassy" is charitable; I was annoyed and frustrated and probably should not have made that post at all, it was rude.

[S~V~S]

Do S~V~S and Michelle fit together as mafia teammates?

From S~V~S

Spoiler: show

I only got up to page 12.

But gotta go get ready for work, and will be 90% likely to be in the car when the poll ends unless the traffic gods smile on me, so i gotta vote now.

Gonna vote Scotty, he looks a bit flailing to me, of everyone, he's the only person who seriously pinged me. Of the others with votes, Michelle hasn't said enough for me to get a sense of her, and not voting Robyn. I'd rather give the host a day to wed out/replace no shows.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

From Michelle

Nothing

~~~

Compatible

I haven't had the chance to read the case on her, what is it and who made it?

Do S~V~S and LoRab fit together as mafia teammates?

From S~V~S

Spoiler: show

@S~V~S do you feel it is on-brand or not (or neither) for @Long Con to express early suspicion of you?

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

@Bereft and @robyn, each of you had expressed early faith in LoRab, and in the moment I kind of vibed with that. I'd like to dig a bit deeper though: are you able to describe what gave you confidence about her?

I had two major instances of thought about LoRab.

The first was immediately after their entrance.
And to that point, I had the same thought as Robyn did wrt to it.

The second was immediately after LoRab freaked out about getting townreads.
And to that point, I had the same thought as you did wrt to it.

If the question demands why I take strong stock in these thoughts at all, then its because both of these moments are based on LoRab existing archetypical traits of "pure" town spontaneity. And I don't think I've ever once seen these reads fail in my experience. On a mafia theory tangent, its the most basic form of read in existence, mafia simply doesn't post like that, because they have to think about well, being mafia.

I'd like to talk about this read. It seems similar to how I make some of my townreads based on "is this a thought a mafia would even think of". What about those moments is something that a mafia wouldn't think of doing?

In the forum LoRab and I came from, I got lunched for saying I trusted someone and thought they were good. "Painting Targets". Being leery of that is NAI for her, and even though LC and I come from that same background, and I think we both prolly both still have a touch of that even though we have more experience in the town-reading style of game.

Bad LoRab is a bit cagier than the LoRab here, imo.

Spoiler: show

Onnnnnnnnnn-braaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnd...... on-brand. On-brand. Towny. Wolfy. On-brand. Sassy. Classy. On-brand. Interesting. On-brand. Bon-rand?

@JaggedJimmyJay this is what I meant by "theatricality". I used to auto read this as bad~ weirdly enough, even in games where I was bad, and i had TMI re LC being town, I STILL read him as bad, which is why he's always an easy yeet for me when I'm bad. I kinda half believe it when I'm making the case.

I am on record as not believing in contributing to such lists, or rankings. I'm not a fan and I don't generally post them. Those here who have played with me a lot can attest.

Similarly, I hate when people trust me. Stop naming me, people! And, really....I'm kind of freaked out that I'm on this site and not yet suspected. What's up with that? I don't think that has ever happened. At all on here, and rarely in prior communities.

That used to freak me out, too. Naming civs, like WTF. Extreme target painting. I still don't love rainbow lists, and prefer baddie hunting to townie hunting.

I'm used to it now.

Intriguing take- I feel like I have the unique benefit of having just wolfed with her and I haven’t seen anything specific about her that is throwing off my paranoia alarm. And I’m usually paranoid of her as of the last 3 games before I wolf’ed with her.

Now do me do me

OK, you're freaking me out here. I don't think you've EVER said anything like this to/about me. Not the last 3 games. EVERY. GAME. Every one. You think I'm bad.

What did you take away from wolfing with me that makes you say this?

Also gotta go get ready for work. Love my new job, hate the longer commute.

One last *?*, Bereft seems to be only addressing/alluding to Robyn and Jay, with the exception of his towny list, which was an answer to Jay, if I'm not mistaken.

I would not be able to read him if I tried, is this a normal thing for him? I don't find it to be AI, it just stuck out to me skimming his ISO.

Where are SVS's own reads? A lot of her posts feel like commentary and not actually taking stances. LC's post used to be read as auto bad and Scotty's freaking her out, but she didn't make actual reads off those when I feel like it would be natural for her to do.

@S~V~S
[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

I don't really have any yet, or didn't as of this AM. My posts are a commentary, that's how I develop reads.

You seem a bit more aggro, and less considered, than I tend to associate with you. You're a person who weighs and balances, and this feels kinda the opposite, almost a bit jumpy.

Jay asked me a question about LC, I talked about how I feel about LC. Scotty is freaking me out. It doesn't mean I find any of it AI.

I’m still freaking you out? Impressive.

Maybe I’ll wear this tshirt and jeans combo for Halloween next year

No. I was using it in the context of my original statement, referencing observations rather than reads.

Plus I used that phrase in my reply to LoRab (in the spoilered part of the post you quoted), who also used it herself. So it is just a colloquialism, not an over the top baddie ranting.

Perhaps the first post has a pockety appeal from [hypothetical mafia] S~V~S for reassuring LoRab of her perspective. That's extremely generous though. The rest of this is pretty blank to me.

From LoRab

Spoiler: show

What's normally suspicious about your style?

I think this kind of comment about finding it weird you're too trusted is >rand mafia. A lot of townies are confident in their townieness even if they are suspected often, but it's easy for mafia to assume they're suspicious.

One one level, I have no idea. Maybe I'm just drawn that way? Some of it is how I approach the game and suspicion--some of it is meta, but a lot of it is noticing patterns and when those patterns are off. Which many see as a suspicious way to suspect people, apparently.

And, in a bigger way, your noting my discomfort in being trusted is an excellent example of why--on this particular site. It's a mafia culture thing. I learned mafia in a very different setting than that of most of the players on here. There are some players (SVS, LC in this game) I've been playing with for about 15 years--I think Wilgy for at least a decade. I may have forgotten someone else who is in this game (other than our wonderful host). The game we played then, on sites like LP and The Piano, was stylistically different--we developed our own mafia slang, almost all games were ones in which pretty much everyone has a power, info dumping was essentially always frowned on--at least past a certain point, when we all seemed to realize it's not nearly as much fun that way, and agreed that there just wouldn't be any any more. Where puzzles and hidden messages were everywhere. This site, in large part, grew out of that world--and merged it with other mafia communities.

The mafia game style of those other communities mostly became the prominent culture, with some aspects of my original realm staying around. like this color.

And I still play with my same style that I always have, even though I know that most around me have a different style--and will suspect me for my style. I'm good with that.

Although, I do twirl a lot less than I used to.

As for your suspicion, unless I'm misunderstanding ">rand mafia" (as I don't actually know what that means). It is very par for the course in the games of most of my mafia playing for civvies to not want to be publicly trust. I mean, I guess in a game where there is only 1 bad faction (and no apparent neutral or indy roles), it makes more sense for civs to not worry so much when trusted, but...I'm still more accustomed to games where such a structure (2 teams, one good one bad) is the exception and not the rule,

While I'm waxing nostalgic, and in a Ted Lasso game, a shout out to the OG Diamond Dog, in whose honor this smiley was created It's literally based on the actual human. I miss that FEB.

Virtually nothing.

~~~

I don't think I can justify calling this anything other than compatible.

I just reread her and she is a null for me, so still "virtually nothing". She hasn't said anything AI, and I read her better than prolly anyone here. When I first started playing, LoRab mentored me a bit, and we play similarly in some ways. We both like to explain ourselves, and contribute via commentary, so her posts here are basically NAI as far as I can see. If the sus on her is due to her being AWOL, I would guess this game starting when it did was bad timing for her. I follow her on social media, and she is very busy with the religious holiday. The thought process she explained in that post is still something I adhere to.

So she could be bad, she could also be town. I know I am not voting her when she has legit reason to be afk unless I have no choice and have to save.

[S~V~S]

And if you think that "pairs us", oh well

[S~V~S]

@LoRab
@S~V~S
I want too see more from both of you today and talk about what you think the solve is/or at least contribute to that discussion

This is my last @ from yesterday, I'm finally gonna make that coffee, and dive back in. I have town reads, but not much in the way of bad reads.

[S~V~S]

Having read the most recent page, and gone through SVS posts.... they ping me the post so voting for them (SVS)... Scotty might be wolf, but I don't see it personally.

Can you explain why? I went through the rest of your posts, and you never say why. Just that I remain your biggest ping. Since most of my posts to that point were about Scotty, do you town read him?

Since you are consistently voting for me, I would appreciate the courtesy of some kind of reason. Thank you!

As of now, this is where I am at.

town reads: me [dm], robyn, Cape90
town lean: scotty, jjj, dr. wilgy, Rondo

????: michelle, thunal, princess A, LoRab, ts account

mafia reads: SVS, bereft

He wrote one post saying he thought I made a towny post, and now he's bad? Can you explain why you find bereft bad? Or is that it?

I know you are new to us. Explaining votes and reads to some extent is the norm here, though definitely not a requirement.

[DrWilgy]

Good morning.