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[Scotty]

I don't trust people who believe in their own reads.

Either they are mafia, or newbies. Or magical scumhunting gods who can extract people's alignments by looking at their eyes (ie Dunya).

Most people can barely get a success rate a little better than rand, with a lot of effort. I guess I'm just very aware of that myself.

That's pretty mean tbh.

What’s mean? Honest question.
Do you therefore trust people that don’t believe in their own reads?

Riding the line on every player gives no info besides that you are blending in. Of course no one is going to be right all the time. But as Wayne Gretzky once said, ‘You miss every mafia read you don’t make’ or something like that

I mean I do make a point to vote every day.

I just don't say "I think A is scum because X and Y", because I know deep inside myself, that X and Y are made up bullshit. They are often made up tells that don't actually work, and confirmation bias. Lots and lots of confirmation bias. I have a long experience in writing stuff like that and watching them flip town. Over and over. Michelle was almost another case of that.

So I am honest. I'm not sure about anyone's wolf status. I don't know any effective methods to tell what other people are thinking. I don't know if you are lying or not. I don't have any suspects I'm confident in.

I have hunches, I have PoEs, and I'm good at pointing out contradictions, which do happen but are rare. I'm decent at mech strategy. I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.

I'm sorry, but I'm just too honest with myself to keep lying to myself that I can actually do this. I know I can't.

While there’s something to be said of not feeling confident in your views, to say that the reasons you suspect people are, deep down, ~bullshit~ is something I can’t fathom. And of course it’s confirmation bias. If it weren’t, you would have some form of ironclad info.

Scenario (if you are town):
We’re going rock climbing. I need a belayer to hold me when I toprope high in the air. You probably don’t feel confident, but you’ve watched videos of how it might go.
You could say (A): {Hey, I’ve never done this before but I watched a video of how to tie the knot and stand for balance, so let’s go for it}
Or you could say (B): {I could maybe hold you, but maybe I can’t because I only saw a video}

I’m always going to put my trust in person A. Even though they’re not experienced, they at least have the reasoning laid out as to why it might fail, but they’re projecting confidence. And sure, you might drop me, but at least we all gave it the old college try.

Relating it to this game, if you’re this guy, I have no trust in your reads, because you might as well not have any. If you were to flip town, we’re not following any pushes or reads you’ve made, because you just don’t have any. It’s a lose-lose.

That’s if you’re town.

“I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.”

Feelings are fine, but that word salad post you made of 4 people equating to basically ‘meh’ tells us nothing.

Also, it’s unfortunate that your supposed strength that you are touting as a civilian has basically resulted in 2 mislynches thus far.

I dunno DDL, I just feel like you’re trying to justify not taking hardline stances so that you don’t get blowback and suspicion when you’re wrong, and it feels like it’s coming from a carefully plotted place

[Scotty]

I wanna yeet Jack just so he can stop bragging about beiing immortal.

@Scotty wanna make a truce and yeet the guy?

[Scotty]

Michelle

Cw Roxy ?

Can you expand on this extreme push?

Michelle
4
36%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Dragon D. Luffy, Jackofhearts2005, S~V~S

If lily is a wolf like I think, who wants to save her??

Michelle

Cw Roxy ?

No


I had enough

Wow what is up with this giant push for me from Porscha and Lilypet??

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

I really should have done this sooner lol fuck

olive branch michelle

pls i tr lily pls

why does town commit crimes against each other

we could have been brethren

Like a religious cult?

In another you even made an all caps scream post about it, wow.

That eod of day was quite like a push from nowhere since neither made any sort of case. Porscha literally made one post and Lilypetal made one and then never responded to me.

Why? Srsly why @Lilypetal and @Porscha

This is just another Roxy post that screams towny incredulity of people that are suspecting her.

Roxy town

[Scotty]

Based on EoD stuff, and previous:

I think Roxy is still good. I think Porscha is (probably?) good. The exasperation at end of day to get off both Lily and Michelle could be a play where Porscha knows both are town with TMI, but I feel like it might just be a towny motion

It felt way odd. What reasoning from Porscha did you agree with or what stood out that made you call her prob good?

I forgot sig was still playing this game. He didn’t post at all on D2.

That is depressing. I don’t feel like going that route today- still think we’re being led away from wolves by at least 1 big talker.

Would probably look into SVS and DDL on top of Jack. I see distinct partner equity of a SVS/Jack team but don’t exactly feel like it is a slam dunk. And I don’t currently have a case. But I can *see* the pairing, however useless that may sound

Idk if I like narrowing your suspicion to higher posters. Why limit yourself?

RE 1st wuote: it wasn’t that I agreed with her more than her frenetic behavior and appealing to people not to vote there at eod felt towny. As I’ve said, that could also just be TMI. I’m leaning slightly not that atm.

RE 2nd quote: I feel like we’ve already had some low posting slots (Michelle im including only because I don’t feel like she was making waves in the form of her posts). I feel like at this point we’re not falling into these mislynches on purpose

[Scotty]

Ebwop: meant falling into these mislynches by accident

[Scotty]

You seem angry out of a sudden, Scotty.

YOU ARE CORRECT

and it’s not because I feel threatened that you think I’m SK for whatever reason. I feel like I’m being gaslit.

And that I have to talk to you, (and the odd SVS at 6am who is hung up on thinking I’m trying to discredit her). I feel like you’re being intentionally obtuse because you don’t want to take a stance on anything this game

Scotty, you keep putting words in my mouth (or keyboard, to be precise). I don't think you're trying to discredit me. I think You're being a touch paranoid, and maybe missing some context here and there. I find it frustrating that this happens like all the time. In turn, I felt almost like you were trying to make me feel guilty for even entertaining Jacks theory, like it was some kind of betrayal. When really it was just me playing mafia.

And o'dark:30 is my most active time, then and now.

And yes, that is a good description of my feel for DDL. I can't get a grip on him, maybe cause he's slick? Or maybe cause he's faster than me? But yeah.

I just walked in, gotta see to doggo, then answer by @'s (which are all from you lol).

lol i think we respond better to each other in real time rather than carrier pigeon. I am a bit paranoid, and I’ll admit that my reread picks up on keywords when I’m perusing and I think i started feeling like in the big picture, Jack’s SK push against me got me a bit righteous because I know I’m not and it was looking through a lens of anyone else that might latch onto it for easy pickings. Which as I determined, you weren’t doing that. Then because I already had a tunnel on Jack, I lumped in anyone thinking Jack looked good for it as his accomplice.

[Scotty]

Spoilering the quote chain because long.

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OK, first this.

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Read the posts, please. A bunch of people didn't understand the host post.

Also dramatic much? Why are you so sure a vig Svs would have taken you down?

Because she said so?

It's called paraphrasing.

So what he said is translated in what you said?

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It can go both ways for sure
I don’t know if I would consider this flip flopping in context. It’s revisionist in the same paragraph. But both can exist, I suppose

Not quite

It's like Scotty said, feels like you are throwing every excuse on the wall at once to see what sticks.

Yeah I think DDL is misconstruing my takeaway

I’m actively playing a behavioral psychologist to determine motivations for your reasoning and while I can see how you could be using multiple reasoning, I can also see how your meaning could also be better described as ‘I was self pressing AND of the people that I could have voted for, falcon was the one I found less settling’

I don’t know that I even suspect Michelle based on this


But I do see SVS and DDL do find it suspicious which I am noting

Dude, you made that post like an hour after I left, I haven't posted since before you made it. Like I said, I don't find self pres AI, and when I self pres I try to find a rationale for it so as not to feel like a jerk, so I'm not calling people out for the same thing.

So you can un-note me agreeing with it. I do think I agreed with something else you said, but it was about me

You went into some esoteric point that DDL misconstrued nefariously to your POV, and then lumped me in with him as doing the same, and I wasn't even in the thread at the time. I did not agree with his take away since I never saw it. I had my own reason for sussing Michelle, which I said more than once.

I replied to you about this, ^^^ but you never replied back. Now you're saying I have a history of agreeing with DDL about smalll nuances someone else (who happens to be you) made. And I don't.

Scotty, You keep saying I validated or agreed with things I didn’t. Yuck.

You said earlier I agreed with something DDL said when I didn’t.

I’m on phone at a BBQ right now so I’ll pull the posts later, but I wish you would stop bundling me with DDL like this.

Now imma go eat some corn.

Mm, this is based on my reread yesterday in the night, so I reread it again:

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One thing that may be important.

This is either matrix 3 or 5.

If it's 5, and mafia didn't holster their kill (which I think I'll stop bringing up because it's incredibly unlikely), then mafia now knows who the SK is.

If we catch a mafia, we need to ISO their posts for who they might know the SK is.

For instance, if I'm mafia and I know the SK, I'll likely leave them alone, maybe even protect them, because mafia can win with the SK.

I mean real talk, I’m almost certain mafia shot Scotty and Scotty is the serial killer.

He’s the most obviously townread player D1 and somebody said something about him caring more about appearing townie than who was actually yeeted and that tracks.

If it was a jailkeeper, they’d just say something, right?

Idk if we have to yeet the sk to win tho.

On one level, it makes sense. No one is gonna yeet Scotty this game.

But on the other level, the best survival scenario for SK is being towny enough not to get yeeted but not so towny they get NKed.

So I would ask; Has Scotty had any very strong opinions? He tends to really focus on his suspects. I'm not sure I'm seeing that, though. He didn't seem to have a very strong single suspect. A few hours before he actually voted for you, he made this post with the "Maybe Jack" kinda vibe, and he only made one post inbetween. If you search his posts for "Jack" its kinda meh.

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hahahahahahahah - It's good to be right Meta will always make its way into everyone's game one way or the other.


Also we were cross posting right now yet you completely ignored me

why?

lol we weren’t crossposting. You came in after I left for work. Now I’m at work.

But ftr I don’t have any alarm bells going off for you.

I could still vote jack. Idk.

What do you think of DDL?

Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

You right, I think I construed ‘this is possible’ with ‘I agree’, when it’s pretty clear you’re pushing back to this theory. My bad.

Although, the bit in this post that stands out to me now is your conclusion: ‘Jack, you making this post and being this obvious is too obvious, therefore I bump you up’

Why?

Did you also see this, Scotty?

@Jackofhearts2005 Yeah, I know that, I talked myself in and out of it with that post

But like I said, Scotty knows how to fade back and he didn't even try here. So I'm more inclined to think he's just town, and we move on and see what happens.

But agreed, it's an interesting discussion but it isn't really getting us anywhere on Day 2.

I thought it was an interesting theory, so i engaged with it. Which is kinda how we play this game. Ultimately, I disagreed with it, based on being your teammate in Lasso. You know how to be a strong presence without being the lead player, and you didn't even try to do that here. You went from zero to sixty in patented towny Scotty behavior.

The way we play this game is theorize that other players are bad roles, and we discuss it. Sometimes we're right, sometimes we're not (sorry MichellE ). This is what I did, and decided I didn't believe it. You're acting as if it is some kind of personal betrayal. I "bumped him up" becasue I have no fucking idea who you are, and I didn't know that engaging with it was some kind of crime.

Then you keep trying to lump me in with DDL.

I initially thought Michelle and DDl were the bad team. Then when he got into it with Porscha about Michelle EOD, I unpaired them. I figured he was temp voting her then he would switch at EOD like he did Day 1 (and he did), but that discussion kind of unpaired them to me, then Michelle flipped town. So that leaves me with I'm not understanding why DDL has such strong opinions, yet is unable to commit to a vote.

So I'm not really sure where i stand on DDL, I don't agree with much of what he says, and tbh, I don't understand why he's saying it. Early my day 1 "No Vote" category was you and DDL, since he has been in my waffly null category.

As for Jack, I liked his theory, it was interesting, but I ultimately disagreed with it. And I was waffly on him much of the game, but that theory DID nudge him into my townier category since the baddies prolly know who SSK is and I find it very unlikely that one of them would touch the SSk with a ten foot pole, or even start a discussion of it since it could come back to bith them in the ass.

The only plus I see for Jack making that theory if he were bad is that if he managed to yeet you based on it, and you flip town, that pretty much townlocks him. But he needs to yeet you, and that's easier said than done.

Another reason to stop pretending this theory doesn't exist and to address it and ultimately decide it doesn't work, which is kinda what I did.

Holy mountains out of mole hills batman
Ok I’m moving on from the ‘lumping in with DDL’ thing. As I said, I misconstrued in my reread.

“The only plus I see for Jack making that theory if he were bad is that if he managed to yeet you based on it, and you flip town, that pretty much townlocks him. But he needs to yeet you, and that's easier said than done.”

That does the opposite of townlocking him. It does exactly what he needs to do so that I can get mislynched, since the narrative that I can’t be NK’d is on the table. If enough people determine he’s full of it, (or we just…you know…kill him and he flips wolf), then mafia will have a better reason to NK me than what’s going on now

If Jack posited a theory that you were the SSK, he pushed it, and got you yeeted, and you flipped ... town, that would make him look townier, becasue the baddies might know who the SSK is. SWo if he makes a big case on you and gets you misyeeted, it gives him some cred as unlikely to be on the baddie team that could know who SSK is. Maybe "townlock" was an exaggeration.

I think we're talking different scenarios; my thought was AFTER you got yeeted it would make him look less like a baddie. You seem to be talking about before.

It would be an audacious move to even try, and jack is an audacious player. So I could see it either way.

But I don't think the very fact of him making this case makes him bad. The main issue I have with it is we're talking about the SSK rather than the baddies. I think so long as we don't role hint, and so long as we make our messages as innocuous as possible, the SSK is SOL. The more we write and the more specific it is, the more we give SSK to work with.


I plan to read back on him and read today linearly after I finish the @s.

I’m down not to keep bringing up the SK, I just know in relation to Jack I have to bring it up because to date in this game, that is the subject of his biggest novella.

And we’re talking about the same thing. If I were to get mislynched, Jack looks damning in my eyes because he’s already set up doubt and he could just go ‘well damn, it made sense by my logic. Can anyone really blame me?’ But I’m also biased lol

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Host confirmation would be nice, but reading the OP, I got a strong impression that if the SSK kills two people, the game goes on. Yhe reason for it is the usage of "removed" instead of "eliminated" in town's wincon.

Host refused to confirm when I asked but I came to the same conclusion fwiw

Host also refused to confirm, but they confirmed the SK winning "removes" them from the game.

Town wins the game by removing non town.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'd appreciate @Scotty @Dragon D. Luffy @S~V~S 's takes on Lily's D2, particularly wrt her reaction to the votes on her. I found it wolfy but I need a second opinion because nobody else seems to think so and I wanna know why I'm wrong or for ya'll to stop ignoring that take.

Imma be honest with you.

I don't remember details and I'm at work so I can't check.

I remember feeling it was low effort but not particularly AI. Sge latched on to Roxy and kinda forgot about the rest. The problem with having Roxy as your main case is that since Roxy herself is barely interacting with the game, you become an isolated duo.

Could yeet one of the two.

[Scotty]

There's a penalty, it's in the rules post.

The reason I think a double shot is likely is that otherwise, a player who did not participate in LC's death decided to send a message with a fake LC death post, on the SAME NIGHT LC died.

Seems very unlikely. What is more likely is that the two wolf factions shot him, and all 3 of them faked LC death posts as a strategy to muddle the night post. And the 4th one is the actual LC death post.

For this to be the case, LC must be the motion detector. Which is bonkers- I looked through his iso and see no hinting or anything of that role.

I think it actually more likely that the SK is oscillating targets with a fake role reveal. The 1st night was probably the one that said ‘SVS was the vig’ and last night was ‘LC was the motion detecter’ and they just happened to guess the right kill.

I think LC was VT. It also lines up that there are 3 ‘LC was vanilla’ messages. The SK wouldn’t use that as a cover.

Now unfortunately, the odds of the SK choosing the correct message at night is increasing and it’s almost a die roll without any investigation. We really need to find a wolf today, and the SK tomorrow

Someone posted a message night 1 saying they thought we were in Matrix 5. That to me says that the person who posted that message KNEW we were in matrix 5. That's the motion detector matrix.

Sup gang, sig freud here.
dont fret that the cop is dead. We got this! Uwu

don’t trust that SVS. I still think DDL and the Scotsman are teammates. If I had a hunch, I’d say we’re in matrix 5, not the one with the vig.
Just saying. Tootles!

That person also said they thought you were teammates with DDL and I was not trustworthy, for full openness, didn't want to cut the message.

And even though Canada does not celebrate Memorial Day the same date as the US does, he's close to the border and I bet his family food service business has a busy weekend when we have a three day holiday. So him not being very involved this weekend would be not surprising.

Yes, I remember the post, but considering that person also lumped in that DDL and I were wolf buddies, I wouldn’t give them credit for anything else peddled.

Does my surmising make sense? I don’t intend to dwell on the SK psychology, but I feel like my logic makes sense.

RE: sig- ok, well, weekend over. Where is he?

Bad instincts about other players on Day 1 doesn't make them a wolf. That sounds like an info drop to me.

And I don't understand why anyone thinks the SSK would name drop in posts. They may not even have to send in messages. The messages are for the SSK to try to figure out who sent them. Why would they have to send them in themselves? The only point would be for funsies, "Bwa ha ha I am the SSK, all kneel before me" (in before someone posts that tonight )

Or maybe everyone should post that tonight!!

Hmmmmmm I think you might have just made me inadvertedly realize something..

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Still think SvS and Sig (although he needs to post),look townie. Adding Porscha to the list after yesterday.

Scot looks townie but I really dig Jack's SK theory.

As always, I don't have any suspects I'm confident on. And even the ones I think are townies, I can be convinced otherwise.

We read whoever we want based on whatever reasons we have, and if someone fails to look more townie for the whole game than Sig did day 1, sucks for them.

Anwering Jack, Sig felt like good old town Sig, full of tinfoils and being sure of things. Iirc wolf Sig is trying to blend to other people's opinions more, not stand out. So yeah its meta.

Why would you think sig looks like anything? For a Day 1, he looked towny. For Day three he looks like

I know. But to me, not showing up day 2 doesn't change the fact he looks townie for the posts he made. Logic says he vanished for RL reasons, not for having a red role card.

So … why do we bother with days 2, 3 and 4 if we slap a towny label on someone day one and call it good forever more?

Like I said this AM, I don’t particularly think sig is bad, but as no new opinions feed into the hopper, anyone starts to look like a question mark.

I ran into this post reading, I see I have a crapton on @s, I’ll try to get to them at lunch. I had a lunch meeting yesterday but should have time today.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The quote above broke.

We read whoever we want based on whatever reasons we have, and if someone fails to look more townie for the whole game than Sig did day 1, sucks for them.

Anwering Jack, Sig felt like good old town Sig, full of tinfoils and being sure of things. Iirc wolf Sig is trying to blend to other people's opinions more, not stand out. So yeah its meta.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I don't trust people who believe in their own reads.

Either they are mafia, or newbies. Or magical scumhunting gods who can extract people's alignments by looking at their eyes (ie Dunya).

Most people can barely get a success rate a little better than rand, with a lot of effort. I guess I'm just very aware of that myself.

That's pretty mean tbh.

What’s mean? Honest question.
Do you therefore trust people that don’t believe in their own reads?

Riding the line on every player gives no info besides that you are blending in. Of course no one is going to be right all the time. But as Wayne Gretzky once said, ‘You miss every mafia read you don’t make’ or something like that

I mean I do make a point to vote every day.

I just don't say "I think A is scum because X and Y", because I know deep inside myself, that X and Y are made up bullshit. They are often made up tells that don't actually work, and confirmation bias. Lots and lots of confirmation bias. I have a long experience in writing stuff like that and watching them flip town. Over and over. Michelle was almost another case of that.

So I am honest. I'm not sure about anyone's wolf status. I don't know any effective methods to tell what other people are thinking. I don't know if you are lying or not. I don't have any suspects I'm confident in.

I have hunches, I have PoEs, and I'm good at pointing out contradictions, which do happen but are rare. I'm decent at mech strategy. I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.

I'm sorry, but I'm just too honest with myself to keep lying to myself that I can actually do this. I know I can't.

While there’s something to be said of not feeling confident in your views, to say that the reasons you suspect people are, deep down, ~bullshit~ is something I can’t fathom. And of course it’s confirmation bias. If it weren’t, you would have some form of ironclad info.

Scenario (if you are town):
We’re going rock climbing. I need a belayer to hold me when I toprope high in the air. You probably don’t feel confident, but you’ve watched videos of how it might go.
You could say (A): {Hey, I’ve never done this before but I watched a video of how to tie the knot and stand for balance, so let’s go for it}
Or you could say (B): {I could maybe hold you, but maybe I can’t because I only saw a video}

I’m always going to put my trust in person A. Even though they’re not experienced, they at least have the reasoning laid out as to why it might fail, but they’re projecting confidence. And sure, you might drop me, but at least we all gave it the old college try.

Relating it to this game, if you’re this guy, I have no trust in your reads, because you might as well not have any. If you were to flip town, we’re not following any pushes or reads you’ve made, because you just don’t have any. It’s a lose-lose.

That’s if you’re town.

“I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.”

Feelings are fine, but that word salad post you made of 4 people equating to basically ‘meh’ tells us nothing.

Also, it’s unfortunate that your supposed strength that you are touting as a civilian has basically resulted in 2 mislynches thus far.

I dunno DDL, I just feel like you’re trying to justify not taking hardline stances so that you don’t get blowback and suspicion when you’re wrong, and it feels like it’s coming from a carefully plotted place

I literally give no fucks whether you want to believe in what I say or not.

Im here to be myself, and myself only. My playstyle is what I enjoy doing, not what helps town wins games. If you guys can't understand my points, get google translator or something. Or don't. I literally don't care.

[Scotty]

Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

[Scotty]

Just came out of shower where I was thinking, what if the scum trio is something like, Scotty/SVS/Jack

And the entirety of town except for me has just NOPE'd out of this game, while scum is just bidding their time now, waiting to reach parity while they waste time with me.

Scary thought. Though in that case I may as well give up lol.

Ok this is the 2nd time I’ve seen you imply that there are 3 wolves. There are only 2. That is…something that is throwing me off

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The SK is a one-man wolf faction.

[Scotty]

Scotty thinks I’m town. Kinda funny

Should I not?

Not only am I lock town but we can solve this game in mere seconds

wat

[Scotty]

Scotty thinks I’m town. Kinda funny

Actually wait

Not only am I lock town but we can solve this game in mere seconds

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

I can't deny some fine comedy.

wat

[Scotty]

I fell asleep, Costco trip postponed until tomorrow. Meanwhile, if you made an anonymous post, now is a good time to claim it

Wolves know who the serial killer is

aha I have just read about the serial killer

wat a roller coaster

[Dragon D. Luffy]

You think I took a two year break because I was enjoying playing this game?

From now on I'm only approaching mafia from an extremely selfish perspective. I'm here to enjoy myself. Not to help other players win or lose. If I don't have fun, I'm out.

And pretending to have reads I don't believe in strongly isn't fun. So down with that.

[Scotty]

OK, I'm not voting Scotty.

Porscha, Lily and Roxy are (ironically?) all at about the same tier for me. They have all read town to me at various points, but I'm having problems putting them into a clear "No Vote" list.

Lily came into the game like a breath of fresh air, but ever since Roxys reaction post, she hasn't had any real thoughts outside of Roxy, voted for her with no discussion, or attempt to engage with anyone who might disagree with her.

I reread Porscha, and her whole personality this game seems to be not understanding why Michelle is getting sus, or defending Michelle from being lynched. That can come from truly townreading someone or from TMI. At one point she said that she found Michelle a bit townier than in Avengers, whereas I found her a bit wolfier than Avengers, where she was bad. So still on the fence here. This was her entire discussion of Roxy before wanting *frantically* to wagon her at EOD:

Spoiler: show

I haven’t dissected end of day- I must admit that I thought day ended when I last posted and left for a show thinking that was that. My time zone is now corrected.

Falcon going wasn’t a terrible pick, I guess. I don’t think I would have gone against that as a choice in the moment. We had no reason to believe him to be the effing cop. So that sucks. I’ll look into people’s reasons later.

Still don’t like Roxy’s vanity vote at the time. I’m not inclined to think [VOTE: jack] aubergine is a bad one to start on today

scotty do you know exactly what the vc was when roxy made that vote btw? I was thinking about that too

Yes. This was the vote right before she voted.

Vote totals
2-2-2

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
2
22%
Voters: Long Con, Scotty
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
2
22%
Voters: Jackofhearts2005, falcon45ca
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
2
22%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Michelle
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None

The thing is, she so nakedly placed a vanity vote that even the habitants of Mars knew what she was doing. Is that too wolfy to be wolfy? This sequence in particular was a quandary:

Bleh. Jack is saying things that I agree with as I finish my reread.

I need fresh eyes. I’m working on being better at D1 reads. Looking for someone that is making sense but also a bit too hedgy and friendly. Like as if I were DDL’s friend (who was supposed to view this thread) and just started reading people for the first time.

DDL would be an appropriate, like, silly serial killer. Doing enough to make original points but also not sticking his neck out. Even though he’s been my top town.

Dunno, feeling cute I guess

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Scotty, what is you doing

Funny I found the opposite inre: Jack. He is saying more words but are the adding to the game? idk and Jack's vibe and tone are a bit off for me.

lol we weren’t crossposting. You came in after I left for work. Now I’m at work.

But ftr I don’t have any alarm bells going off for you.

I could still vote jack. Idk.

What do you think of DDL?

I do not feel one way or the other about Luffy. Yet.

Why are you considering voting Jack?

Oops we did cross post, my bad. I missed this completely

Ok, so I’m not being the town leader by design. I’m just…posting. Which de facto makes me town leader because contributions across the board are minimal. It’s whatever.

Or is it? What is your stance on me then?

Agreed about your Town Leader status.

I have no stance on you as it is only D 1, that's just how I work.

Your vibe and tone feel ok thus far - how about that?

vote falcon

He is vibing wrong for me. Vanity vote yep.

Not feeling sig or Michelle.
Could have went with Jack but my gut says falcon.

-Jack “feels off” and actually disagrees when I start coming around on him
-asks me why I’m voting for Jack
-agrees?? About my town leader status. Don’t know what she agrees with, but vibe feels ok
-vanity wagon, even though she could have made a difference with a vote on Jack, who a few posts ago she felt off about
-peaces out

Now this was a conscious decision. If she were bad, she’s protecting Jack. So why not just lump it on Michelle or sig? It’s a pretty lame way of defending him.




This makes no sense play wise to me if she is wolf. Though it also doesn’t make sense play wise to me if she is town.

Maybe she’s just the SK lolol

I have the same opinion that lily had which was that roxy's play made very little sense, though it stayed true to her normal sense of play in that she does what she wants, it seemed like a super good way to protect a possible wolf at end of day or direct the kill elsewhere

She waffled a bit, "I don't get it, but it's normal for her, but it could also be bad" is the jist of this.

Then she replied to Roxys "WTF" reaction post. Her next Rox related post was 5 minutes before EOD when she tried to wagon onto her. TBF none of this looks any townier than Roxys vote on Falcon (which while not "towny" was NAI for Roxy, imo. It would have been townier if she had voted for me lol, but not especially wolfy in any case).

As for Roxy, as I said, her Falcon vote was NAI, her "Ewww Gross" reaction was as well, IMO. Since then, she's joined in discussion, but I haven't seen reads and I'd like to before I make a solid read there. Roxys reads can tell me alot about her.

This post felt towny Rox to me, she seems more outraged, less faux. Roxys faux outrage generally seems a bit more drama to me.

Spoiler: show

Wtaf? I'm not sure if there is any reason I would find acceptable for those that followed *MY* D1 vanity vote.

It's bs. Straight up.

@Lilypetal if you find me bad *again* by all means go for it. But we both know you are wrong.
It's so easy to come in after the vote in which you never voted or posted. Judge me by a normal d 1 occurrence that I have done literally 1000's of times.

Yah you have my full attention especially since there was zero reasons given. lol

lol help? why is this such a strong backlash to the person who called you out on something that doesnt make you look towny (regardless of whether you are or not, you have to admit it doesn't make you look *good*) and then also deflecting onto the people who followed you lol

hey, you guys wouldn't follow me off a cliff would you??? that makes YOU the bozos! not me, who went off the cliff first, of course xd

You have completely ...I just can't. Firstly - Calling anyone bozos is wrong.
You implying it is something I said makes me feel like I just got slimed.

Talk about who is having a strong reaction and it isn't me. lol

But yes this vote is ai for me. You've seen me make similar votes many times as both town and bad.
I feel it is OK for me to find and point out what I find suspicious just fine for *my* game.

look forward to any responses to me !

I do however like what you were saying about the vote on Michelle. To tbh that is where I world have probably voted.

I need to see these three develop. As siad before, I don't particularly suspect them, but I don't find much towny past initial impressions.

I don't like voting low posters in general when there are suspicions to be had, and I tend to find others who do sus. Based on meta, I think sig would be much more active if he were bad, I just do. But that's gut, not concrete. TSP has started talking, and in general I'll never vote to yeet him for inactivity.

This leaves me with Jack and DDL.

I haven't understood DDL all game, he's constantly shifting stances, when anyone points out an inconsistency to him, he has a plausible reply at the ready. It's hard to pin down an opinion from him. Slick, or willing to consider all sides? Hard to tell.

He has some thoughts that almost seem to come from a place of TMI, then he has a plausible sounding explanation for them.

My thoughts on Jack are more complex; I reread him, and the impression I had of him was not quite what I had recalled. He had more varied opinions than I had thought, and was more varied. I want to reread him again today. The main impression I had of him before rereading was the Scotty = SK theory, which while I don't agree with it, I do think even making it made him look townier. If I were bad, and the baddies DO actually know who the SSK is, I would not be making any SSK cases unless I was pretty sure I could get them chopped, and chopping Scotty would be a hard sell.

Like Day One, I'll have to vote around an hour before EOD at the latest cause commuting. I'll be able to follow but likely won't be posting much.

I’m still not sure what you think of Jack. You said you reread him and your impression changed, but the explanation sorta implies that you still town read him so what changed?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also stop saying "lynch" please. It's racist.

[Scotty]

P.S. And that's where I waffle on Jack; if he knows who SSK is, and makes a case on NOT SSK, he looks better if he manages to get the case flipped. Whenever i read one of my own posts about Jacks theory, I see the flaws in my own opinion of it, which is why he's in this category, not up top with Scotty.

I could totally see this both ways. When I read him, I see he said he's having computer issues. I hope he gets that sorted. I personally don't think he's the sort to hide behind made up excuses, and since he's taking votes I hope he is able to get back (although I am sure DDL will move his, lol).

ah nm. That’s fair

[Scotty]

I mean tbh I haven't played much but to say my focus has only been roxy is a little weird. I just think I haven't focused much on anything and Roxy looks like scum so my vote is there.

My eod2 was trying to save a villager and work with a villager to save herself, for example.

Says the person that jumped into the day immediately voting for roxy

Almost all of your posts thus far have been one-liners or brief blurbs. Is that something you usually do?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok Jack looks a bit better. Hes casing and I can see where hes coming from.

Lily - 1
Roxy - 2

Random.org says 2

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

[S~V~S]

Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

It was Scotty, sorry for the lack of quote.

I normally don't get on people's cases for that kind of thing, but I'm already pissed at Scotty for the rather thugish way he has been casing me this game, so screw it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Can we stop talking about dead ppl plz.

I havent counted but I suspect there have been more posts on dead people this day than living ones.

[Scotty]

Another possibility is that the SK and the mafia double shot LC.

Yeah, that’s why I say probably. But I dunno, that’s highly random. If you could correctly pick one of those messages from the night before and link it to LC, then glory be.

Also, based on the fact that LC didn’t seem to understand the message mech, I doubt he submitted one N1. So he had to be exactly the motion detector. But that’s also absolutely random. I think it more likely he was just VT

Which actually just gave me a thought- what is the penalty for not submitting a quote? Because if there ISNT a penalty, VTs can just..not submit and the SK can’t kill them. Unless I’m reading something wrong.

New touchpad is bigger than the last one so I keep accidentally "clicking" into the middle of posts while typing. I will adjust.

I think there's exactly one post that was kinda obvious who it came from and I think it came from LC. I think LC not knowing how the mech worked meant he made an obvious post, not that he made no post at all. In fact, I think LC's post last night is even more obvious.

That said, I think that we're in the world where there is a motion detector and neighborizor, not the world with the jk and the vigilante cause the vigilante still hasn't been shot.

That said, I don't think both the mafia and sk hitting LC (very likely) would cause two "LC is dead" messages. I think there's one real flip, two mafia lies and LC being like "I died and I was the glue that held us all together lololol."

This does make more sense in my analysis of the night posts. I…do feel like the pattern of posts that are meant to be janitor posts is VERY important.

Let’s look again:

N1:
-SVS died, was vig
-no one died
-no one died

N2:
-LC died, was motion detect
-LC died, was vt
-LC died, was vt
-LC died, was made of horses (glue)

It would seem like there are multiple scenarios here:
(I’m using good faith that town wouldn’t absentmindedly be a chaos demon and make a fake PR death claim. There is no basis in helping town in that scenario.
Which means either SK or mafia are making those messages.

In Night 1, mafia would have to PREDICT that no one would die. This is unlikely. I don’t think those come from mafia unless they purposefully holster. The strategy doesn’t exactly make sense tho.
Now if their strategy was to frame SVS, maybe. Except mafia would definitely both submit no one died, which wouldn’t frame SVS at all, and that’s probably
A) mafia both submit a ‘no one died’
B) mafia submit a ‘no one died’ and ‘[target] was Pr’

If B…SVS looks very guilty, as she could very well be the SK.
I also don’t see why town would make the ‘no one died’ on N1. There’s no basis there.

The other thought…is we were missing 4 messages on N1. Inferring LC was one, we…could have had both mafia just…not be around. That would point to sig and maybe splints, as Lily joined end of N1. I think sig looks the most guilty because I would have expected at least 1 other message of a player dying; and NOT ‘no one died’

BUT

In N2, both mafia were seemingly around to know that LC was dying.

Sig hasn’t made an appearance since D1. It would be possible but unlikely imo for him to continue to just fall into the shadows and continue to play and submit messages n2 without posting in thread. That doesn’t sound like sig.


So now I’m on the boat of MOST to LEAST likely for N1:
A) mafia holstered, both mafia submitted a ‘no one died’, and SK submitted SVS was PR; LC was the target N2, and SK submitted LC was Pr
B) 1 active mafia submitted SVS died, and the other didn’t submit, thus SVS was the N1 target, and didn’t die for whatever reason

[Scotty]

(I no longer think it particularly matters me pointing out LC's message from Wilgy on account of 1 - its just one post and 2 - the silly serial killer probably used it to shoot LC anyway so I'm not telling them anything they don't already know. I'm under the impression that the "I'm Sig Freud" post from N1 was also from LC but I could be wrong. If I'm wrong, telling the serial killer this doesn't eliminate any possibilities for nk because LC is already dead.)

“SK used it to shoot LC”
I feel VERY certain LC didn’t submit a message N1, so no. The only way they could have shot LC is if they correctly identified LC to be motion detect, which has no discernible basis. Get a lottery ticket

[Scotty]

that said wolf jack is pretty agenda-y

I spy an agenda for you:

Gonna get host clarification on if the sk winning means they leave the game or they end the game.

If they leave, it’s arguably not worth yeeting them. If they win, we absolutely must.

Host message inconclusive.

Suppose the serial killer ends the game if he wins. It is good for the serial killer to not confirm this. Largely bad for the town and wolves because they could have their win stolen by EON2. In fact, if the town is dumb and allows themselves to be sniped by the sk, that would be unfair to the wolfteam to lose this way, having not been caught or having had the ability to prevent the silly sk from making their kills.

Suppose the serial killer leaves the game if he wins. It is bad for the serial killer to not confirm this. It prevents the town from seeing a serial killer that has one kill (granted, harder without knowing if the vigilante exists but eventually we know one way or the other) and saying that letting the serial killer get another kill = one town kill and yeeting the serial killer = giving up a day = one town kill (from the wolf nk) so why fucking bother hunting for or yeeting the sk?

Overall, I think we're more likely to be looking at a serial killer who leaves the game when and if they make their wincon. However, the serial killer is basically anticlaim and anticlaim. It'd be nice to remove that. I'm also against 3Ps that can skate to victory because the town shrugs but that's more of a game theory hosting kinda dislike. In game, I'm going to pursue my wincon and not yeet a 3P that I think it isn't in the town's best interest to eliminate just because I think games generally should motivate me to do so.

I'd be more likely to just shrugyeet Scotty if we didn't have better options. As is, I townread less than half the game and I'd feel super stupid if I was wrong about this and we yeeted Scotty and even if I'm right about this, there's a fair chance we just like...don't let Scotty get kills. He doesn't know who the mafia is. He can't purposely lead us astray. He may help find wolves by accident or in an attempt to convince us he's not the serial killer. Or you know because he's actually a townie and looking for wolves. wowee.jpg

Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

But that's exactly what I mean. Scotty is acting like the serial killer. The serial killer must not get yeeted and wait for town to claim or be obvious from their messages. That is their only goal. Seem too townie? They draw the mafia nk and that doesn't matter to them because they don't care if they lose their vest 99 times out of 100 and they don't care if the wolves miss their kill because the chances of winning via parity vs just getting two kills in.

So Scotty is not actually pushing anyone but me, a known skilled wolfplayer and difficult to misyeet townplayer and his push on me is limp and unthreatening. He's not in danger of wolfJack or wolfanybody feeling threatened and killing him. He's not in danger of misyeeting me and looking bad for it. It's treading water. Scotty didn't get nked because wolves felt threatened. He got nked because much of the playerbase was inactive and like five ppl went "Yeah, Scotty is townie," which is well more than anybody else. Pretty sure every other active player besides Scotty and DDL got some kind of suspicion leveled against them and since this game is based on the idea that DDL is playing mafia for the first time in forever, I don't think the wolves shoot DDL N1. Ergo, they shoot Scotty.

I realize I'm arguing that Scotty got nked for being townie and is not town for not being townie at the same time but you gotta look at the nuance.

Anyway, enough of that because I wanna yeet a wolf and I've spent too much time looking at a player I don't want to yeet.

Talk about a full smear campaign to discredit the witness, your honor.

1. This entire conspiracy theory is predicated on the theory that mafia attempted to kill me N1 and thus I must be the SK. This entire premise was then validated by SVS and DDL. Regardless of their affiliation, it boils down to a full conspiracy theory based on absolutely nothing. It’s as if the acknowledgement of myself and others that a JK exists isn’t as sexy as a full page taken out in the Daily Enquirer talking about how I eat children for breakfast.

I don’t, by the way; they’re more of a midafternoon snack. But I digress.

No, he’s setting my up with enough doubt that once we get down to…oh…maybe now in numbers, or if we had already caught a mafia, the real push can happen. Because no one else seems to suspect Jack, and he’s down to “shrugyeet” me if there aren’t any better options.


2. Talk to me more about how you maybe tried to kill me and now have to find ways to make me dead. It could even be that you fully believe I AM the silly SK. But, again, the JK theory is less likely because… ???

3. Talk about some hubris. Yes, I once again seem to the be only one that is gunning for you. Does that really make it look better for me if you get misyeeted? If there’s anyone in this game that is trying to affix a label of town leader, it’s you. I’m in no way trying to be a leader, but I’m feeling more and more inclined that I am just right about you. And if I’m wrong, that’s….not a good look for me lol

I'm not reading your colored whatever at the bottom.

Jack has the agenda to find the serial killer, a role that prevents claiming, can kill townies and must leave the game for town to win. Heavens to betsy there's no way town Jack would have an agenda like that.

Actually, wait, I am reading it cause it could matter for you.

1) The theory isn't based on nothing. It's based on me, Porscha and YOU all saying you should have been the N1 kill and then SVS and DDL (I'm just taking your word for it there, I don't remember this happening) agreeing and then you limply pushing me all game. It's a decent theory based on a lot of evidence, even if its wrong.

2) I'm not wolfagenday pushing you. I haven't once said "we should yeet Scotty." I haven't once voted for you. I asked the host a question and came to the conclusion that we DON'T necessarily have to yeet the role I think you are.

3) I'm not discrediting you. I've flat said that the sk can help find the wolves (though mostly on accident or out of habit because the sk isn't motivated to find wolves or not find wolves). Even if I'm 100% right that you're the serial killer, that doesn't make anything you say a lie. I've not said we should ignore you. It's not my fault you discredit yourself by only pushing me in a way that is easy to ignore. If you're town, you could easily fix that by like...doing anything else.

Like...nothing here convinces me I'm wrong or makes me want to change strategy wrt your slot and nothing in here ought to make anyone else change their opinion about my alignment, either.

Question to you (and I guess *anyone*):

If I were the target N1, why weren’t there any messages that said ‘Scotty has died, he was ____’?

Obviously mafia leaned into that strategy N2. But n1 ONLY had ‘no one died’ and ‘SVS has died, she was vig’

Isn’t that….weird?

[S~V~S]

Can we stop talking about dead ppl plz.

I havent counted but I suspect there have been more posts on dead people this day than living ones.

Kinda hard to find out who killed the dead ppl without talking about them

[Scotty]

Thrilling stuff yall, keep it up

It doesn't matter a whole lot yet (especially if the sker got one of the two kills needed in LC) and it's not outside of Scotty's scum abilities to do this but I do think Scotty like 12 posting by himself looks more townie than sk (or wolfy).

If you knew about my scum abilities like you are implying, you’d know that that is NAI for me. I tend to post when I’m around, and that often comes out in regurgitation

Back in the cruising lane
[VOTE: jack] aubergine

[Scotty]

Vote total with 3.5 hours left
Dragon D. Luffy
1
13%
Voters: Lilypetal
Lilypetal
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
2
25%
Voters: TonyStarkPrime, Scotty
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
1
13%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None

[Scotty]

I'd appreciate @Scotty @Dragon D. Luffy @S~V~S 's takes on Lily's D2, particularly wrt her reaction to the votes on her. I found it wolfy but I need a second opinion because nobody else seems to think so and I wanna know why I'm wrong or for ya'll to stop ignoring that take.

It’s parallel to how the rest of her game is: staccato and lacking fulfilling explanation

I’d bump her down to wolf lean from my last list

[Scotty]

I don't trust people who believe in their own reads.

Either they are mafia, or newbies. Or magical scumhunting gods who can extract people's alignments by looking at their eyes (ie Dunya).

Most people can barely get a success rate a little better than rand, with a lot of effort. I guess I'm just very aware of that myself.

That's pretty mean tbh.

What’s mean? Honest question.
Do you therefore trust people that don’t believe in their own reads?

Riding the line on every player gives no info besides that you are blending in. Of course no one is going to be right all the time. But as Wayne Gretzky once said, ‘You miss every mafia read you don’t make’ or something like that

I mean I do make a point to vote every day.

I just don't say "I think A is scum because X and Y", because I know deep inside myself, that X and Y are made up bullshit. They are often made up tells that don't actually work, and confirmation bias. Lots and lots of confirmation bias. I have a long experience in writing stuff like that and watching them flip town. Over and over. Michelle was almost another case of that.

So I am honest. I'm not sure about anyone's wolf status. I don't know any effective methods to tell what other people are thinking. I don't know if you are lying or not. I don't have any suspects I'm confident in.

I have hunches, I have PoEs, and I'm good at pointing out contradictions, which do happen but are rare. I'm decent at mech strategy. I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.

I'm sorry, but I'm just too honest with myself to keep lying to myself that I can actually do this. I know I can't.

While there’s something to be said of not feeling confident in your views, to say that the reasons you suspect people are, deep down, ~bullshit~ is something I can’t fathom. And of course it’s confirmation bias. If it weren’t, you would have some form of ironclad info.

Scenario (if you are town):
We’re going rock climbing. I need a belayer to hold me when I toprope high in the air. You probably don’t feel confident, but you’ve watched videos of how it might go.
You could say (A): {Hey, I’ve never done this before but I watched a video of how to tie the knot and stand for balance, so let’s go for it}
Or you could say (B): {I could maybe hold you, but maybe I can’t because I only saw a video}

I’m always going to put my trust in person A. Even though they’re not experienced, they at least have the reasoning laid out as to why it might fail, but they’re projecting confidence. And sure, you might drop me, but at least we all gave it the old college try.

Relating it to this game, if you’re this guy, I have no trust in your reads, because you might as well not have any. If you were to flip town, we’re not following any pushes or reads you’ve made, because you just don’t have any. It’s a lose-lose.

That’s if you’re town.

“I have feelings about people, which are hard to explain because they are feelings. And I really enjoy exposing bullshit from other people, starting wagons randomly and creating chaos when I feel like things are stale. Those are my strengths as a townie, whatever they are worth. Having precise reads on people ain't it.”

Feelings are fine, but that word salad post you made of 4 people equating to basically ‘meh’ tells us nothing.

Also, it’s unfortunate that your supposed strength that you are touting as a civilian has basically resulted in 2 mislynches thus far.

I dunno DDL, I just feel like you’re trying to justify not taking hardline stances so that you don’t get blowback and suspicion when you’re wrong, and it feels like it’s coming from a carefully plotted place

I literally give no fucks whether you want to believe in what I say or not.

Im here to be myself, and myself only. My playstyle is what I enjoy doing, not what helps town wins games. If you guys can't understand my points, get google translator or something. Or don't. I literally don't care.

You do you. If you’re town, all I’m saying is show it.

[Scotty]

You think I took a two year break because I was enjoying playing this game?

From now on I'm only approaching mafia from an extremely selfish perspective. I'm here to enjoy myself. Not to help other players win or lose. If I don't have fun, I'm out.

And pretending to have reads I don't believe in strongly isn't fun. So down with that.

Hey, you know- the main purpose is to have fun. And obviously play styles don’t always align from person to person. I’m just trying to find a middle ground. Because from my pov you’re being intentionally blendy which I equate with wolfy behavior.

I’ll just have to read between the lines and that’s that

[Scotty]

Also stop saying "lynch" please. It's racist.

Sure, old habits.

I had a very conscious switch to ‘yeet’ after that word was brought to light and I have since reverted, so apologies.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I wanna yeet Jack just so he can stop bragging about beiing immortal.

@Scotty wanna make a truce and yeet the guy?

Oh btw you've missed me getting misyeeted like 40 times since you stopped playing.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Aaaand now I've cooled down and I'm feeling bad about being a jerk to Scotty in the last few posts.

Sorry, dude.

This game makes me mad sometimes.

But I also just turned in the big deliverable of the week which was due today because tomorrow is a holiday, so now I'm relaxed. Will be on and off till the end of the phase.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Spoiler: show

that said wolf jack is pretty agenda-y

I spy an agenda for you:

Gonna get host clarification on if the sk winning means they leave the game or they end the game.

If they leave, it’s arguably not worth yeeting them. If they win, we absolutely must.

Host message inconclusive.

Suppose the serial killer ends the game if he wins. It is good for the serial killer to not confirm this. Largely bad for the town and wolves because they could have their win stolen by EON2. In fact, if the town is dumb and allows themselves to be sniped by the sk, that would be unfair to the wolfteam to lose this way, having not been caught or having had the ability to prevent the silly sk from making their kills.

Suppose the serial killer leaves the game if he wins. It is bad for the serial killer to not confirm this. It prevents the town from seeing a serial killer that has one kill (granted, harder without knowing if the vigilante exists but eventually we know one way or the other) and saying that letting the serial killer get another kill = one town kill and yeeting the serial killer = giving up a day = one town kill (from the wolf nk) so why fucking bother hunting for or yeeting the sk?

Overall, I think we're more likely to be looking at a serial killer who leaves the game when and if they make their wincon. However, the serial killer is basically anticlaim and anticlaim. It'd be nice to remove that. I'm also against 3Ps that can skate to victory because the town shrugs but that's more of a game theory hosting kinda dislike. In game, I'm going to pursue my wincon and not yeet a 3P that I think it isn't in the town's best interest to eliminate just because I think games generally should motivate me to do so.

I'd be more likely to just shrugyeet Scotty if we didn't have better options. As is, I townread less than half the game and I'd feel super stupid if I was wrong about this and we yeeted Scotty and even if I'm right about this, there's a fair chance we just like...don't let Scotty get kills. He doesn't know who the mafia is. He can't purposely lead us astray. He may help find wolves by accident or in an attempt to convince us he's not the serial killer. Or you know because he's actually a townie and looking for wolves. wowee.jpg

Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

But that's exactly what I mean. Scotty is acting like the serial killer. The serial killer must not get yeeted and wait for town to claim or be obvious from their messages. That is their only goal. Seem too townie? They draw the mafia nk and that doesn't matter to them because they don't care if they lose their vest 99 times out of 100 and they don't care if the wolves miss their kill because the chances of winning via parity vs just getting two kills in.

So Scotty is not actually pushing anyone but me, a known skilled wolfplayer and difficult to misyeet townplayer and his push on me is limp and unthreatening. He's not in danger of wolfJack or wolfanybody feeling threatened and killing him. He's not in danger of misyeeting me and looking bad for it. It's treading water. Scotty didn't get nked because wolves felt threatened. He got nked because much of the playerbase was inactive and like five ppl went "Yeah, Scotty is townie," which is well more than anybody else. Pretty sure every other active player besides Scotty and DDL got some kind of suspicion leveled against them and since this game is based on the idea that DDL is playing mafia for the first time in forever, I don't think the wolves shoot DDL N1. Ergo, they shoot Scotty.

I realize I'm arguing that Scotty got nked for being townie and is not town for not being townie at the same time but you gotta look at the nuance.

Anyway, enough of that because I wanna yeet a wolf and I've spent too much time looking at a player I don't want to yeet.

Talk about a full smear campaign to discredit the witness, your honor.

1. This entire conspiracy theory is predicated on the theory that mafia attempted to kill me N1 and thus I must be the SK. This entire premise was then validated by SVS and DDL. Regardless of their affiliation, it boils down to a full conspiracy theory based on absolutely nothing. It’s as if the acknowledgement of myself and others that a JK exists isn’t as sexy as a full page taken out in the Daily Enquirer talking about how I eat children for breakfast.

I don’t, by the way; they’re more of a midafternoon snack. But I digress.

No, he’s setting my up with enough doubt that once we get down to…oh…maybe now in numbers, or if we had already caught a mafia, the real push can happen. Because no one else seems to suspect Jack, and he’s down to “shrugyeet” me if there aren’t any better options.


2. Talk to me more about how you maybe tried to kill me and now have to find ways to make me dead. It could even be that you fully believe I AM the silly SK. But, again, the JK theory is less likely because… ???

3. Talk about some hubris. Yes, I once again seem to the be only one that is gunning for you. Does that really make it look better for me if you get misyeeted? If there’s anyone in this game that is trying to affix a label of town leader, it’s you. I’m in no way trying to be a leader, but I’m feeling more and more inclined that I am just right about you. And if I’m wrong, that’s….not a good look for me lol

I'm not reading your colored whatever at the bottom.

Jack has the agenda to find the serial killer, a role that prevents claiming, can kill townies and must leave the game for town to win. Heavens to betsy there's no way town Jack would have an agenda like that.

Actually, wait, I am reading it cause it could matter for you.

1) The theory isn't based on nothing. It's based on me, Porscha and YOU all saying you should have been the N1 kill and then SVS and DDL (I'm just taking your word for it there, I don't remember this happening) agreeing and then you limply pushing me all game. It's a decent theory based on a lot of evidence, even if its wrong.

2) I'm not wolfagenday pushing you. I haven't once said "we should yeet Scotty." I haven't once voted for you. I asked the host a question and came to the conclusion that we DON'T necessarily have to yeet the role I think you are.

3) I'm not discrediting you. I've flat said that the sk can help find the wolves (though mostly on accident or out of habit because the sk isn't motivated to find wolves or not find wolves). Even if I'm 100% right that you're the serial killer, that doesn't make anything you say a lie. I've not said we should ignore you. It's not my fault you discredit yourself by only pushing me in a way that is easy to ignore. If you're town, you could easily fix that by like...doing anything else.

Like...nothing here convinces me I'm wrong or makes me want to change strategy wrt your slot and nothing in here ought to make anyone else change their opinion about my alignment, either.

Question to you (and I guess *anyone*):

If I were the target N1, why weren’t there any messages that said ‘Scotty has died, he was ____’?

Obviously mafia leaned into that strategy N2. But n1 ONLY had ‘no one died’ and ‘SVS has died, she was vig’

Isn’t that….weird?

I agree it's weird but occam's razor is mafia didn't think of it.

Though a corolary of that is mafia isn't super active in scumchat. Cuz like, if this is a scumchat with the likes of Mac and Epi, that and all the other 20 possibilities for night messages have already being discusses by EoD1.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also stop saying "lynch" please. It's racist.

Sure, old habits.

I had a very conscious switch to ‘yeet’ after that word was brought to light and I have since reverted, so apologies.

It's ok. Like I said I knew you weret doing on purpose, I just wanted to lash out tbh.

[Scotty]

Scotty is the SK because he keeps comming up with convoluted reasons to shut down my theory of who the SK killed last night.

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

It was Scotty, sorry for the lack of quote.

I normally don't get on people's cases for that kind of thing, but I'm already pissed at Scotty for the rather thugish way he has been casing me this game, so screw it.

Thuggish, eh?

No one listens to me anyway. Not much of a thug if I seem to hold no gravitas over anything.

I dunno, it feels like I say things, others just shrug it off and we go back to yeeting randos.

So if there’s anyone that should be pissed, it’s me

[Scotty]

Again hard disagree. I think the SK and the baddies killing the same person is an interesting possibility, but not one we can really know. If I were the SK (or the baddies unless we were on a matrix with a janitor, which we aren’t based on flips) I would not talk about who I killed. What would be the point. It’s kinda weird but not conclusive.

Personally I think LC Made that post for the night 1 message, because one of his first posts in Day 2 after getting results (and if LC were the MD, he would check me first imo) was that he trusts me, and that also makes me think we are in that matrix.

This phone posting at work is more obnoxious than I remember. So odds of me doing slot if it is low. Later lovely mafia people.

I feel extremely confident that LC didn’t make a post N1 because he doesn’t seem like the type of person that would dumbtell for so long about the posts. He seemed generally confused

Nah, I think LC is crafty, and is good at town lying. not everyone is. LC can mislead as town to evade baddies with the best of them. This discussion doesn't particularly matter, since he was town, vanilla or info role doesn't matter. But I think what I think based on my LC knowledge.

And i think you probably would agree with me that LC would check me first if he had any kind of info role, as I would him tbh. We spend a lot of time circling each other in games.

Weird that you don’t think LC’s role matters. If he really were motion detector, that opens up the game because we know there’s no vig or jailkeeper.

If he checked you, or anyone, I feel like he would have at least hinted in some capacity. I don’t see it.

I do think it mattered and I do think he hinted. I think he was motion detector and he checked me night 1. I said this. I <3 you but I wonder that we both are speaking English.

@Dragon D. Luffy i hope it wasn’t me who said it. The shift away from that word happened while I was on 5 year break, so I’m sure I’ve slipped a few times.

It was Scotty, sorry for the lack of quote.

I normally don't get on people's cases for that kind of thing, but I'm already pissed at Scotty for the rather thugish way he has been casing me this game, so screw it.

Thuggish, eh?

No one listens to me anyway. Not much of a thug if I seem to hold no gravitas over anything.

I dunno, it feels like I say things, others just shrug it off and we go back to yeeting randos.

So if there’s anyone that should be pissed, it’s me

Oof, and now that I posted that I feel like it looks like I’m just outright dismissing your feelings. I’m not, but I am also pissed and feel like even though I’m really doing my best to solve, I’m either up the wrong tree on everything or a bunch of the people moving the thread have agendas.

I don’t exactly need validation like ‘ah shucks Scotty, you’re doing great bud’ but I can’t for the life of me remember someone saying ‘I agree with your assessment’

This would be more fun if we had already caught someone. I really shine imo once we’ve caught someone. I just start to spiral and conspirialize with just town flips

[Scotty]

Spoiler: show

that said wolf jack is pretty agenda-y

I spy an agenda for you:

Gonna get host clarification on if the sk winning means they leave the game or they end the game.

If they leave, it’s arguably not worth yeeting them. If they win, we absolutely must.

Host message inconclusive.

Suppose the serial killer ends the game if he wins. It is good for the serial killer to not confirm this. Largely bad for the town and wolves because they could have their win stolen by EON2. In fact, if the town is dumb and allows themselves to be sniped by the sk, that would be unfair to the wolfteam to lose this way, having not been caught or having had the ability to prevent the silly sk from making their kills.

Suppose the serial killer leaves the game if he wins. It is bad for the serial killer to not confirm this. It prevents the town from seeing a serial killer that has one kill (granted, harder without knowing if the vigilante exists but eventually we know one way or the other) and saying that letting the serial killer get another kill = one town kill and yeeting the serial killer = giving up a day = one town kill (from the wolf nk) so why fucking bother hunting for or yeeting the sk?

Overall, I think we're more likely to be looking at a serial killer who leaves the game when and if they make their wincon. However, the serial killer is basically anticlaim and anticlaim. It'd be nice to remove that. I'm also against 3Ps that can skate to victory because the town shrugs but that's more of a game theory hosting kinda dislike. In game, I'm going to pursue my wincon and not yeet a 3P that I think it isn't in the town's best interest to eliminate just because I think games generally should motivate me to do so.

I'd be more likely to just shrugyeet Scotty if we didn't have better options. As is, I townread less than half the game and I'd feel super stupid if I was wrong about this and we yeeted Scotty and even if I'm right about this, there's a fair chance we just like...don't let Scotty get kills. He doesn't know who the mafia is. He can't purposely lead us astray. He may help find wolves by accident or in an attempt to convince us he's not the serial killer. Or you know because he's actually a townie and looking for wolves. wowee.jpg

Being the loudest voice in the thread is not a great idea for an SK in general, more so here, and i know Scotty knows how to fade back in a towny looking way. Be a memorable thread presence without being a thread leader, I saw him do it in Lasso.

So even if he is the loudest voice in the thread, he's also not tunnelling anyone. Not even you, who he's voted for twice now. I don't see why the baddies would be targeting him, unless they were YOU, and I seriously doubt you would be that obvious. Also if you were the baddie who tried to kill him I doubt you would float this ^^ either. So this post bumps you up for me.

So yeah, this is possible, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. I won't be voting on him based on it. Every night just post the most innocuous message, "No one died" "Everyone died" etc. Everyone claim Vanilla. I plan to worry about SSK when and if they manage to kill someone, and who that someone is. Until then, I'm hunting baddies.

And I would expect Scotty to continue doing the same.

But that's exactly what I mean. Scotty is acting like the serial killer. The serial killer must not get yeeted and wait for town to claim or be obvious from their messages. That is their only goal. Seem too townie? They draw the mafia nk and that doesn't matter to them because they don't care if they lose their vest 99 times out of 100 and they don't care if the wolves miss their kill because the chances of winning via parity vs just getting two kills in.

So Scotty is not actually pushing anyone but me, a known skilled wolfplayer and difficult to misyeet townplayer and his push on me is limp and unthreatening. He's not in danger of wolfJack or wolfanybody feeling threatened and killing him. He's not in danger of misyeeting me and looking bad for it. It's treading water. Scotty didn't get nked because wolves felt threatened. He got nked because much of the playerbase was inactive and like five ppl went "Yeah, Scotty is townie," which is well more than anybody else. Pretty sure every other active player besides Scotty and DDL got some kind of suspicion leveled against them and since this game is based on the idea that DDL is playing mafia for the first time in forever, I don't think the wolves shoot DDL N1. Ergo, they shoot Scotty.

I realize I'm arguing that Scotty got nked for being townie and is not town for not being townie at the same time but you gotta look at the nuance.

Anyway, enough of that because I wanna yeet a wolf and I've spent too much time looking at a player I don't want to yeet.

Talk about a full smear campaign to discredit the witness, your honor.

1. This entire conspiracy theory is predicated on the theory that mafia attempted to kill me N1 and thus I must be the SK. This entire premise was then validated by SVS and DDL. Regardless of their affiliation, it boils down to a full conspiracy theory based on absolutely nothing. It’s as if the acknowledgement of myself and others that a JK exists isn’t as sexy as a full page taken out in the Daily Enquirer talking about how I eat children for breakfast.

I don’t, by the way; they’re more of a midafternoon snack. But I digress.

No, he’s setting my up with enough doubt that once we get down to…oh…maybe now in numbers, or if we had already caught a mafia, the real push can happen. Because no one else seems to suspect Jack, and he’s down to “shrugyeet” me if there aren’t any better options.


2. Talk to me more about how you maybe tried to kill me and now have to find ways to make me dead. It could even be that you fully believe I AM the silly SK. But, again, the JK theory is less likely because… ???

3. Talk about some hubris. Yes, I once again seem to the be only one that is gunning for you. Does that really make it look better for me if you get misyeeted? If there’s anyone in this game that is trying to affix a label of town leader, it’s you. I’m in no way trying to be a leader, but I’m feeling more and more inclined that I am just right about you. And if I’m wrong, that’s….not a good look for me lol

I'm not reading your colored whatever at the bottom.

Jack has the agenda to find the serial killer, a role that prevents claiming, can kill townies and must leave the game for town to win. Heavens to betsy there's no way town Jack would have an agenda like that.

Actually, wait, I am reading it cause it could matter for you.

1) The theory isn't based on nothing. It's based on me, Porscha and YOU all saying you should have been the N1 kill and then SVS and DDL (I'm just taking your word for it there, I don't remember this happening) agreeing and then you limply pushing me all game. It's a decent theory based on a lot of evidence, even if its wrong.

2) I'm not wolfagenday pushing you. I haven't once said "we should yeet Scotty." I haven't once voted for you. I asked the host a question and came to the conclusion that we DON'T necessarily have to yeet the role I think you are.

3) I'm not discrediting you. I've flat said that the sk can help find the wolves (though mostly on accident or out of habit because the sk isn't motivated to find wolves or not find wolves). Even if I'm 100% right that you're the serial killer, that doesn't make anything you say a lie. I've not said we should ignore you. It's not my fault you discredit yourself by only pushing me in a way that is easy to ignore. If you're town, you could easily fix that by like...doing anything else.

Like...nothing here convinces me I'm wrong or makes me want to change strategy wrt your slot and nothing in here ought to make anyone else change their opinion about my alignment, either.

Question to you (and I guess *anyone*):

If I were the target N1, why weren’t there any messages that said ‘Scotty has died, he was ____’?

Obviously mafia leaned into that strategy N2. But n1 ONLY had ‘no one died’ and ‘SVS has died, she was vig’

Isn’t that….weird?

I agree it's weird but occam's razor is mafia didn't think of it.

Though a corolary of that is mafia isn't super active in scumchat. Cuz like, if this is a scumchat with the likes of Mac and Epi, that and all the other 20 possibilities for night messages have already being discusses by EoD1.

Ok so your theory is mafia had no real strategy until n2?

Which messages, if any, do you think mafia submitted n1?

[S~V~S]

Ok Jack looks a bit better. Hes casing and I can see where hes coming from.

Lily - 1
Roxy - 2

Random.org says 2

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Random? Ugh. I am disappoint

[VOTE: DDLuffy] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

Scotty thinks I’m town. Kinda funny

Actually wait

Not only am I lock town but we can solve this game in mere seconds

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

I can't deny some fine comedy.

I guess I expected TSP to have said something about how I'm scum between the votecount and this post but here we are.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: roxy] aubergine

For why?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I fell asleep, Costco trip postponed until tomorrow. Meanwhile, if you made an anonymous post, now is a good time to claim it

Um...fr?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Maybe Tony is actually the serial killer /s