Napoleon Dynamite Mafia [ENDGAME]

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I guess I would maybe add Jack, idk, but then I'd have to take someone out and I don't know who to take out, so

I don't have a game winning poe I feel good about and it would have to be three anyways, given that I probably die today. I guess I'll have to actually think about the game today, rip

[Thunal33]

The Venn diagram of players who voted Jack and Nanook with no reasoning in spite of both being obvious town is Thunal.

And I think I want Thunal dead today regardless. Dragon looking wolf.

Can you tell me why Nanook is obvious town? Because I'm open to voting Roxy today. I'm not really open to voting anyone else.

Also I'm clear town and you should find someone else.

[Thunal33]

Fwiw I'm really not confident in my Nanook vote despite my small PoE.

[Long Con]

Jack, NANOOK, Roxy, Syn. That's our PoE situation right now, in my eyes.

Roxy just lost a game to the LC Connection, during which we were appallingly awful at participating. There is a real chance that she believes she can work that same angle here. However, that game was mountainous, and this one is not, so the situation is different. Even though I'm not convinced that the dunya-Roxy spat wasn't faked, wolf Roxy would surely need to participate more, and she seemingly hasn't been here in three full days, so could she even have sent in the kill?

Jack is getting a lot of leeway due to being the counterwagon to dunya, but I could easily see him being the last wolf. I went with it because I thought Lime Coke was hinting at a power role and a Jack 'red check', but sometimes two wolves are in contention for the elimination, and it's great distancing.

NANOOK? I guess. He's probably going today unless he makes a good showing before then.

Syn, he's 3p right?

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

[Long Con]

Fwiw I'm really not confident in my Nanook vote despite my small PoE.

I hear you. It's easily changeable within PoE, but I'd like to have a reason.

[Scotty]

Jack, NANOOK, Roxy, Syn. That's our PoE situation right now, in my eyes.

Roxy just lost a game to the LC Connection, during which we were appallingly awful at participating. There is a real chance that she believes she can work that same angle here. However, that game was mountainous, and this one is not, so the situation is different. Even though I'm not convinced that the dunya-Roxy spat wasn't faked, wolf Roxy would surely need to participate more, and she seemingly hasn't been here in three full days, so could she even have sent in the kill?

Jack is getting a lot of leeway due to being the counterwagon to dunya, but I could easily see him being the last wolf. I went with it because I thought Lime Coke was hinting at a power role and a Jack 'red check', but sometimes two wolves are in contention for the elimination, and it's great distancing.

NANOOK? I guess. He's probably going today unless he makes a good showing before then.

Syn, he's 3p right?

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

But why does dunya angle for her partner jack of all people to be the counterwagon?

Hmm

The last mafia is the mafia cop, which is mostly overrated towards endgame, where dunya’s vote stealing role is super important down the line. That doesn’t explain why dunya would prop up her partner for bussing, but it could be a better reason.

Jack can be in the POE

[Scotty]

Oof, Nook’s iso is…bad. Like bad bad.

Day 2: ‘lol wisdom is town’
One of the first few posts of his D2. I cant count exactly but I’m pretty sure wisdom had 3 votes at this point.
He gives no explanation for this, and also spends the his few posts throwing mud at lime coke instead, trying to get that wagon going.

Unfortunately I think JB might be mafia but his posting is adorable and wholesome

Did we talk already about ‘JB’? Is that supposed to be Jibay? I feel like this is borderline angleshooting territory, but…did nook personally know Jibay before this game? If yes, disregard.

Cut to day 3:

Dunya don't look

Spoiler: show

I kinda think Dunia might be mafia

Huh. This is odd. I checked the iso and nook NEVER posted his votes. So I have no idea if he ever voted for dunya after this…statement.

Vote count with ~28 hours to go in D3:

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
dunya
4
33%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Jackofhearts2005, Syn, Scotty
Jackofhearts2005
2
17%
Voters: Lime Coke, Long Con
Jibay
0
No votes
Voters: None
le petit poussin
1
8%
Voters: dunya
Lime Coke
2
17%
Voters: Le petit poussin, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Syn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None

This is the only vote count I made on Day 3. You see that Nook instead went the route of voting for Lime Coke.

And the final tally? He ended on…Thunal???? Wtf?

So associations with both wolves are: defending as town, and making a bullhonkey ‘suspicion’ that wasn’t followed through with.

Yall, this is indefensible with the wolf flips

[Syn]

Syn, he's 3p right?

for sure

[Syn]

Unfortunately I think JB might be mafia but his posting is adorable and wholesome

Did we talk already about ‘JB’? Is that supposed to be Jibay? I feel like this is borderline angleshooting territory, but…did nook personally know Jibay before this game? If yes, disregard.

I love angleshooting

no he didn't

but I think Jibay was already called JB by then by multiple people

[Le petit poussin]

Oof, Nook’s iso is…bad. Like bad bad.

Day 2: ‘lol wisdom is town’
One of the first few posts of his D2. I cant count exactly but I’m pretty sure wisdom had 3 votes at this point.
He gives no explanation for this, and also spends the his few posts throwing mud at lime coke instead, trying to get that wagon going.

Unfortunately I think JB might be mafia but his posting is adorable and wholesome

Did we talk already about ‘JB’? Is that supposed to be Jibay? I feel like this is borderline angleshooting territory, but…did nook personally know Jibay before this game? If yes, disregard.

Cut to day 3:

Dunya don't look

Spoiler: show

I kinda think Dunia might be mafia

Huh. This is odd. I checked the iso and nook NEVER posted his votes. So I have no idea if he ever voted for dunya after this…statement.

Vote count with ~28 hours to go in D3:

Spoiler: show

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes
Voters: None
dunya
4
33%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Jackofhearts2005, Syn, Scotty
Jackofhearts2005
2
17%
Voters: Lime Coke, Long Con
Jibay
0
No votes
Voters: None
le petit poussin
1
8%
Voters: dunya
Lime Coke
2
17%
Voters: Le petit poussin, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
S~V~S
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Syn
0
No votes
Voters: None
Thunal33
0
No votes
Voters: None

This is the only vote count I made on Day 3. You see that Nook instead went the route of voting for Lime Coke.

And the final tally? He ended on…Thunal???? Wtf?

So associations with both wolves are: defending as town, and making a bullhonkey ‘suspicion’ that wasn’t followed through with.

Yall, this is indefensible with the wolf flips

glad you posted about it lol. I looked before voting and felt the same tbh. I didn't post because I kinda don't wanna lead toDay (lolD4) but yeah... I am a bit confused by Jacks read. Like With that amount of posting Nanook could still be town, but obvious town? I mean on surface level yes, but we are D5, not mid D1, I see no reason to write Nanook off the POE like that.

[Roxy]

Reading now.

I'll make a list and vote by this evening.

But honestly it will look like:


Scotty
LC2
LC1
Syn
Lpp
Jack
Nook
Thunal
Jib

There was something about the way Thunal and dunya went after each other (gave me some bad tones and vibes) and it suddenly reminded me of a game when Allison bussed her team and be widely townread by everyone but me and I was made to feel stupid so I voted to elim Jack for a devastating loss for the town bc Allison was bad. I've tried to listen to my gut after that.

I honestly hate I have 2 low posters at the bottom of my list.

My 3p shots in the dark in order of suspicions are:

1 LC1
2 Lpp
3 Jack

[Jackofhearts2005]

The Venn diagram of players who voted Jack and Nanook with no reasoning in spite of both being obvious town is Thunal.

And I think I want Thunal dead today regardless. Dragon looking wolf.

Can you tell me why Nanook is obvious town? Because I'm open to voting Roxy today. I'm not really open to voting anyone else.

Also I'm clear town and you should find someone else.

Look at Dunya's posts about Nanook. She's got him lumped in with me. Those are the two options she's floating for yeet outside of herself, me and Nanook. You look at the way she's talking about Nanook, she's absolutely not talking about her partner.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Thunal33

Spoiler: show

@Jackofhearts2005 what was the nanook town tell thing?

I strictly and charismatically forbid Long Con today

i haven't isod you and im behind

what do you think of nanook and jack independently

i could see jack and nanook paired if jack flipped wolf and not 3p.

it's funny they're both not voting for me and im the bitch here, yeah let's pair them together ! ;p

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

sorry daisy, i don't mean to discredit your syn read. it could be him. at this point, there's no self pres so i'll just sit on nanook to remind everyone he exists

This is not a wolf talking about her teammate. This is a wolf looking for a scapegoat.

Btw, there was no Nanook towntell. He hadn't even posted at the time iirc. It was figuring Nanook wouldn't be D1ed anyway and to see who objected to it first.

[Jackofhearts2005]

LC is my top pick for 3P a la "I don't really give a damn about this game even though I'm playing it lol" analysis.

[Jackofhearts2005]

As opposed to like "I don't give damn" with a serious face or "I don't give a damn and I'm behind."

It's like he's engaged but doesn't care about the outcome, which points towards a different goal besides what you'd see from a townie or a wolf.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

I'll back this up with some stuff later. Month end close on a Monday sure sucks for accountants, especially when sharepoint deletes HOURS of said accountant's work from Friday.

I'd encourage people to look at Thunal's posts, though. The way she dances around Dunya and votes for townies while just flat ignoring why they're townie as if she didn't read it feels super agenday.

Like I had just posted that bit about Nanook. Thunal ignores it.

LPP was screaming there was no case on me and Dunya was the right yeet. Thunal ignored that.

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

I'll back this up with some stuff later. Month end close on a Monday sure sucks for accountants, especially when sharepoint deletes HOURS of said accountant's work from Friday.

I'd encourage people to look at Thunal's posts, though. The way she dances around Dunya and votes for townies while just flat ignoring why they're townie as if she didn't read it feels super agenday.

Like I had just posted that bit about Nanook. Thunal ignores it.

LPP was screaming there was no case on me and Dunya was the right yeet. Thunal ignored that.

Just trust Long Con's sudden townread on me starting d3.

Also I didn't ignore you saying Nanook was towny, I asked you about it and thought Nanook was spewed yesterday which is why I didn't vote for him. The PoE is just getting narrow and I don't like how he's voted for me every day and forgotten his Lime Coke townread. Where's your alternative other than me? Who do you think is more scummy than Nanook that I should vote for instead?

I also didn't ignore LPP, I just had limited time in the day and had to make a call. No matter what call I made people I townread would object to it.

[Thunal33]

Jack, NANOOK, Roxy, Syn. That's our PoE situation right now, in my eyes.

Roxy just lost a game to the LC Connection, during which we were appallingly awful at participating. There is a real chance that she believes she can work that same angle here. However, that game was mountainous, and this one is not, so the situation is different. Even though I'm not convinced that the dunya-Roxy spat wasn't faked, wolf Roxy would surely need to participate more, and she seemingly hasn't been here in three full days, so could she even have sent in the kill?

Jack is getting a lot of leeway due to being the counterwagon to dunya, but I could easily see him being the last wolf. I went with it because I thought Lime Coke was hinting at a power role and a Jack 'red check', but sometimes two wolves are in contention for the elimination, and it's great distancing.

NANOOK? I guess. He's probably going today unless he makes a good showing before then.

Syn, he's 3p right?

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

But why does dunya angle for her partner jack of all people to be the counterwagon?

Hmm

The last mafia is the mafia cop, which is mostly overrated towards endgame, where dunya’s vote stealing role is super important down the line. That doesn’t explain why dunya would prop up her partner for bussing, but it could be a better reason.

Jack can be in the POE

Fwiw I'm not sure if dunya was angling for Jack to be the counterwagon. She picked Jack because people were suspecting Jack and not the other two names in her PoE that she was willing to wagon (Nanook and Roxy).

[Scotty]

Doing some internal inspection because I hate having free time apparently

But here’s a quick question for the class:

Does anyone that knows Wisdom know if Wisdom is used/prone to bussing teammates?

[Scotty]

For now in my iso, this chain is standing out to me:

If I go with my gut on page 1, Syn's the only wolf that's been online.

Mostly because I recently finished a game with him where he was obvtowning right from the get go, mainly because he seemed to have a fun time

I don't really have a good track record in reading him though, but at least he's not as towny now as he was then.

Vote##Syn

what makes you feel he's not having a fun time in this game?

Lack of words and jokes really!
He can have fun inwards tho what do I know, are you a good Syn-reader dundun?

in general, yes. it's easy to tell when something is off with syn.

in mafia, i can't say we've played enough games to be a good syn reader, he mostly hosts me and i play his games. i just didn't get the vibe he wasn't having fun like you did and wanted to understand what you saw.

Well, I think his humor started shining through later, so I feel like I'm back to square one there

but...maybe it's all a show...he put on a masquerade for your benefit to show you he's ok but he's really not. oh we used to have an emo emoji that seems to have disappeared. imagine i added one.

Wisdom’s first real shot comes for Syn.
Dunya asks about wisdom’s confidence, they have a call and response that *could* be put on. Eventually, wisdom backs off of her suspicion because ‘his humor started shining through later’. So up to that point is textbook teammate pairing if we left it at that. But then in dunya’s last post, she doubles down and then puts doubt on the town idea, which is…unnecessary. A wolf could really leave that out and let the chips fall, but why would dunya bring the evil eye *back* to Syn?

That’s a big plus for him imo

[Scotty]

For now in my iso, this chain is standing out to me:

If I go with my gut on page 1, Syn's the only wolf that's been online.

Mostly because I recently finished a game with him where he was obvtowning right from the get go, mainly because he seemed to have a fun time

I don't really have a good track record in reading him though, but at least he's not as towny now as he was then.

Vote##Syn

what makes you feel he's not having a fun time in this game?

Lack of words and jokes really!
He can have fun inwards tho what do I know, are you a good Syn-reader dundun?

in general, yes. it's easy to tell when something is off with syn.

in mafia, i can't say we've played enough games to be a good syn reader, he mostly hosts me and i play his games. i just didn't get the vibe he wasn't having fun like you did and wanted to understand what you saw.

Well, I think his humor started shining through later, so I feel like I'm back to square one there

but...maybe it's all a show...he put on a masquerade for your benefit to show you he's ok but he's really not. oh we used to have an emo emoji that seems to have disappeared. imagine i added one.

Wisdom’s first real shot comes for Syn.
Dunya asks about wisdom’s confidence, they have a call and response that *could* be put on. Eventually, wisdom backs off of her suspicion because ‘his humor started shining through later’. So up to that point is textbook teammate pairing if we left it at that. But then in dunya’s last post, she doubles down and then puts doubt on the town idea, which is…unnecessary. A wolf could really leave that out and let the chips fall, but why would dunya bring the evil eye *back* to Syn?

That’s a big plus for him imo

Ok wait, that was from D1. Then this is the next time she mentions Syn, on D2:

@dunya: what's your read on Syn?

he's my strongest town read.

??? What?

[Long Con]

LC is my top pick for 3P a la "I don't really give a damn about this game even though I'm playing it lol" analysis.

Me?

[Scotty]

I’m compiling my own deep dive interpretations of dunya’s iso about jack, syn and nook. Check it out for yourself (or feel free to go to the tl;dr):

Spoiler: show

It's been over 3 years since the last time I was mafia.

Well mine isn’t quite that long. But this is the 6th (non turbo) game in a row I’ve been town and I’m loving the change from 2023 where I randed non-town in half my games.

I feel ya! I've had a 75% wolf rate since last summer so I'm just glad I got to town again, maybe the curse is over!

Maybe it's not.

[VOTE: Wisdom] aubergine

Last game I towned I got misyeeted d3 despite solving the game, got ignored and lost. So sure, yeet me before I start caring about the game, getting misyeeted when invested stings ^^

So I read, not much to see, RVS and some yukking up. Day 1 in a small game, imo wolves unlikely to lead, better to sit back and watch the town wave pitchforks and torches at each other. But this stuck out to me.

This feels kinda manipulative to me. I mean, we all know civvies can be manipulative too, but, this feels intentionally manipulative to me. Also somewhat defensive for what looks to be a quasi joke vote to me. I don't like voting early, so i won't. But I walk away from this interaction with + town for DDL, and - Town for Wisdom

i had the same thought, the post felt a bit bitter. i didn't want to call it bitter, because that felt mean from me and i know wisdom can be an emotional and invested player who doesn't always take suspicion easily in either alignment. but i feel good vibes from svs catching it too.

This is how she approaches her wisdom suspicion. It’s a softball suspicion, but one nonetheless, when wisdom isn’t taking too much heat yet. This is the kind of peripheral touch she has on her teammate in what I consider a neutral position.

Here’s talking about jack:

Spoiler: show

Bumping Jack to high townlean after looking at his iso. There’s something about his cavalier attitude early on, mixed with an awareness of being called a ‘fence sitter’ and offering some original takes on people in D1 that feel genuine. His ratio of lolcatting : solving is not great, but he seems comfortable and I am associating that with town

wild, i had the opposite impression so far.

This is Day 2, Jack doesn’t have a lot of suspicion as far as I know. So, already setting up suspicion.

Also…Day 2 is the earliest talking about Jack? Odd.

i'll try to catch up and iso lime / scotty / svs / roxy / jibay / nanook / ddl for starters to get a better edge.

This is a dive into Jack, but this is notable because dunya pulls these names from a hat in the last 27 hours of her life in the game. Jack is absolutely invisible in dunya’s iso. How did we go from feeling the opposite of my feelings (ergo, bad) about jack, to not even remembering he’s playing the game?

jack is in this game. jack is a good contender for 3p.

jack is in this game. jack is a good contender for 3p.

because he hasn't pushed me yet.

Ope, there he is. Don’t know what spaceship jack was driving in the recesses of dunya’s mind to end up in firmly 3p territory, considering dunya said THIS early in the game:

i liked scotty's reads list in that it gave us some idea where his thoughts are even though nothing very concrete. i'm curious to know why he thinks syn is 3p and is playing with that idea. i haven't even thought of 3p hunting yet and we don't even know if the 3p is town or mafia aligned. i feel like people who usually focus on 3p hunting are mafia - so that's my main negative observation, but it's not like he's building cases yet about it.

So dunya went against her own philosophy here; and by using this twisted logic of ‘he hasn’t pushed me yet’ as a basis for 3p is….sure something.

I'm not voting Jack. His return to the game after that flip looked very towny to me. So many people pushing the inactive mafia theory was pingy af. I think it's highly likely there were protections/role blocks at play.

i don't think jack has any of his usual town spunk and hard pushes imo. just how he handled me is enough for me to feel something off. so take what i say with a grain of salt, but my instincts are usually good.

so yeah please do look into him tomorrow.

OK! Now we’re in pure survival mode where dunya was leading wagon, and starting launching into someone- jack.

I strictly and charismatically forbid Long Con today

i haven't isod you and im behind

what do you think of nanook and jack independently

Eh.

After reading Like Coke and Syn, I feel like I can see why he thinks Syn is town based on his treatment of Wjsdom. Do you go to bath that clearly for a wolf teammate? I dunno. Fuck. I feel super twisted up now.

Ok, I am going to establish who I will not vote

SVS
Long Con
DDL

I’m going to say everyone else is in my POE, but the ones I feel less convinced of are

Thunal
Syn
Dunya

That leaves my POE
Scotty
LPP
Lime Coke
Jack
Jibay
Nook
Roxy

im down to vote for jack, roxy or nook, flash wagon with me?

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

@Lime Coke come save me and u and lets chop jack the unchoppable

well that’s pretty good looking for Jack. Dunya named some names on her shortlist, then immediately followed Long Con to vote for jack. There could have been more momentum. I don’t feel like she does that specifically for her partner in this situation.

And Syn:

Spoiler: show

I’ve already posted a few bits before D2 where she and wisdom have a banter over Wisdom’s suspicion of Syn. She ends D1 with a ‘maybe it’s all a show’, then comes back D2 with ‘Syn is my strongest Town read’

ngl the way u formatted this post feels like u want to shut my suspicions down. pls help lmao (I understand ur busy though, hope you both had a great time )

I think dunya was suspected of being a Lime Coke teammate because she defended him? Now you think she's defending Syn?

i do think syn is town, and i didn't really explain myself why. i'll get to it, i was just more focused on who to vote for before eod. i don't know how i feel about lime coke as i have to process his emotioanl posts, it was certainly reaching of ddl to pair me with lime coke for making observations. lime coke has emotional outbursts in either alignment when suspected, and i havent played with him properly in some years tbf, but i was a pretty good reader of his sincerity previously.

for context he is the player I have the most experience with in this roster by far. been playing with Synchan since 2019.

tbf, i haven't played with syn much, i think he's mostly hosted me playing his games.

i just don't see w!syn make posts like this:

does spacedaisy usually over-explain herself?

I would be interested in your reactions to "yes" and to "no", please.

if yes, I go back to lurking

if no, I vote her

level zero answer would be rask/little chicken

spicy answer would be ddl

I'd shoot myself

w!syn isnt the first person to bring up shooting people shortlist. i know i wouldn't be, if i was mafia. it's something i'd feel way too self concious about being analyzed about.

also making the "lurking" comment, as someone who is referred to as being low on wim as mafia, to self admit he's lurking is another thing i feel like w!syn wouldn't do.

that is all.

A pretty thorough case of Syn’s towniness. In some ways, the most casing dunya has done all game, and it’s a town casing. Don’t know what to make of all this besides this turnaround on him is notable.

i would vote lime coke to save syn if it came down to it. if syn flips mafia, ddl can pair us and i won't fight it.

This last bit is reminding me of when she admitted she was fine with lying down and dying on the day she was actually yeeted. Gives a comfortable shrug, like ‘sure, eat my dog, I don’t even like it anyway. I don’t care, truly, I don’t care. Take it, please, take it off my hands’. Maybe my bias is coming through, but it’s a pretty brazen claim as wolf partners. But this threat of being fine with something clearly not fine happens later in the game, so it sticks out in a reread.

ugh, i wanna sign off but syn isn't here to self pres he said.

Like come on. Sticking her neck out a bit too much methinks.
At this point based on context clues, Syn looked to be TIED with lime coke and thunal.

Not only that, but in posting this, le petit comes on and says:

ugh, i wanna sign off but syn isn't here to self pres he said.

yeah tbh I wouldn't chop him when he isn't around too even if it's dumb lol

[VOTE: Motobot] aubergine

I'd rather Moto than Syn ig. I don't have much of a read on Moto at all but I'm inclined to trust Dunya's shield on Syn.

Dunya’s insertion into EoD truly did help swing the vote away from Syn. I feel that’s important.

Day 3:
Syn comes in guns ablazing. This is the chain:

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

she deserves it tbh, she defended you at EOD. Made me unvote you. Sentencing her with death seems right.

(seriously why?)

I don't believe the reasoning behind her defense, and that I'm her "top town read"

there's no way

I mean top top was a reach but yeah I stl think you're town.

Thunal/Rask/Roxy ??

Continues to paint Syn as town even if Syn has a nuclear warhead trained for dunya’s living room. Almost seems thrown away like ‘yeah, syn’s gonna do this distancing thing, and that’s cute, let’s move on’

This is Jibay's first online Mafia game, but he's played at live parties before... is that accurate?

yes, he has played warewolf with the seer etc in live parties before (like 7 player short games only). this is his first forum mafia game, and first time playing it in english.

I just asked Lime a question about you, and let me ask you.

Do you normally defend people as a townie? This game you have defended Wisdom (who notable me, but also other) have suspected, and also Lime. But then, someone who i clearly think is town has also done both.

I didn't put you into my list, cause i wasn't sure where to put you tbh.

@Dunya, I asked you this yesterday, if you saw it I missed it.

I read it but I was catching up and not sure I understood your questions.

Are you asking if I defend others when I'm town ?

SVS asks this pointed question. Dunya DID protect wisdom, even if I feel like she protected Syn the most so far. And the best part? She answers this question with another confused restating of SVS’ question.

Later:

@S~V~S yes I defend people when I am town. I don't recall what specifically I defended about Wisdom, but I'll iso myself and try to remember lol.

If your question was different, please let me know.

Eh. This doesn’t move the needle.

I’ll try to do some more tomorrow. I don’t want to stay too entrenched in my previous reads now that we’ve got actual information on a wolf. Tonight I’m going to snuggle under a blanket because I’m cold and do some writing on my phone and possibly look for music to sub to @Synphony

Calling syn a phony. Tsk tsk tsk

A lighthearted joke, but also continuing this throughline.

i feel less passionate about it today and less passionate about syn because reverse psychology and all that and i want him to town read me

‘It’ being le petit faking a derpclear.
Ok, so now she’s bringing up Syn and the doubt comes back into play. Purely a vibe thing.

syn is still a town read.

LPP can be town or 3p, i don't think he's mafia.

thunal is still a bad tone read for me, but yeah maybe i'm just wrong.

Long Con after day 1 shines as town imo.

scotty ... i find hard to read cos this must be the second game we ever played together if not first? and i don't remember much if we did play together before. if i had to guess it was him who shot wisdom tho so he can go on town.

Pure antispew at this point, as she was leading wagon with an hour to go. She flip flops BACK to viewing syn as town.

I’m moving to [VOTE: SYN] aubergine because everyone keeps forgetting that in that massive tie before it landed on moto, Syn was one of them. How is this flying under the radar?

i feel like w!syn would have tried pocketing me when i gave him a generous town read. instead it made him all suspicious of me and start a wagon against me.

More painting Syn as The Pope.

ive never played against a wolf syn and i dont have enough meta on syn as town either. so maybeeee

What a nothing burger.

And now Nook:

Spoiler: show

Hi guys I'm in a mafia game in the year of our lord 2025, can you believe it

dude, when was your last game. missed you <3

@Jackofhearts2005 what was the nanook town tell thing?

1 hour left in her life, and she’s actively trying to summon jack to better nook’s image. This seemed tactical.

I strictly and charismatically forbid Long Con today

i haven't isod you and im behind

what do you think of nanook and jack independently

Odd

i could see jack and nanook paired if jack flipped wolf and not 3p.

Note the conditional of ‘if JACK BAD, then nook bad’, not ‘if nook bad, then jack bad’ she’d rather see Jack before nook, subtly.

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine

sorry daisy, i don't mean to discredit your syn read. it could be him. at this point, there's no self pres so i'll just sit on nanook to remind everyone he exists

20 min left, and she does…this?

After reading Like Coke and Syn, I feel like I can see why he thinks Syn is town based on his treatment of Wjsdom. Do you go to bath that clearly for a wolf teammate? I dunno. Fuck. I feel super twisted up now.

Ok, I am going to establish who I will not vote

SVS
Long Con
DDL

I’m going to say everyone else is in my POE, but the ones I feel less convinced of are

Thunal
Syn
Dunya

That leaves my POE
Scotty
LPP
Lime Coke
Jack
Jibay
Nook
Roxy

im down to vote for jack, roxy or nook, flash wagon with me?

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

This is a tough one, because she does name Nook, who she was *currently* voting for, and switches to Jack after long con moves there.

Tl;dr
Syn
Dunya flip flops slightly but her general throughline is defending Syn and putting up a big old shield til the end. Pivotal for saving Syn from D2 yeet. Continues to protect him before succumbing to her own yeet.
Has a history of also lightly defending Wisdom. Even sets herself up for failure by defending Lime Coke, who was her opposite wagon, so it stands that she will defend people regardless of alignment (if Lime Coke is town, which I feel very strongly he is).

Syn is pivotal for establishing the wagon ON dunya D3. Dunya doesn’t really talk much about this, and it feels as if they’re operating to their own beat. Lots of risky variables, but definitely distancing deep wolf compatible.

Jack:
I think this analysis can be pared down to her behavior at end of day 3, and i think it looks good for Jack. She kept making comparison posts linking nook and Jack, but always had jack first (ie: if Jack bad, then nook bad) and was happy to jump there to save herself in the waning minutes. I don’t think Jack is paired with her for this main reason.

Nook:
Dunya has no substance when talking about nook this whole game. She does end up voting for him in the last 30 minutes of her life, and keeps him on her shortlist with jack. What’s intriguing to me is even when she votes him, she qualifies it with ‘just to remind people he exists’ and is fine to follow Long Con onto a potential flash wagon of Jack. This turns into hypotheticals, where I ask ‘what happened if long con had voted Nook?’ Would she stay pat?

She was firmly in antispew mode, and having Nook, Roxy and Jack as her potential flashwagon targets feels like a risky prospect. Except nook never really felt in the crosshairs, and it felt like she knew it.

Definitely teammate compatible.

Tl;dr Summary:
If I had a choice based on just looking at dunya’s interactions with those 3 players, I think from most suspicious to least suspicious would be:
Nook > Syn > Jack

[Long Con]

The Venn diagram of players who voted Jack and Nanook with no reasoning in spite of both being obvious town is Thunal.

And I think I want Thunal dead today regardless. Dragon looking wolf.

Can you tell me why Nanook is obvious town? Because I'm open to voting Roxy today. I'm not really open to voting anyone else.

Also I'm clear town and you should find someone else.

Look at Dunya's posts about Nanook. She's got him lumped in with me. Those are the two options she's floating for yeet outside of herself, me and Nanook. You look at the way she's talking about Nanook, she's absolutely not talking about her partner.

You might just be right.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

[Scotty]

Jack, NANOOK, Roxy, Syn. That's our PoE situation right now, in my eyes.

Roxy just lost a game to the LC Connection, during which we were appallingly awful at participating. There is a real chance that she believes she can work that same angle here. However, that game was mountainous, and this one is not, so the situation is different. Even though I'm not convinced that the dunya-Roxy spat wasn't faked, wolf Roxy would surely need to participate more, and she seemingly hasn't been here in three full days, so could she even have sent in the kill?

Jack is getting a lot of leeway due to being the counterwagon to dunya, but I could easily see him being the last wolf. I went with it because I thought Lime Coke was hinting at a power role and a Jack 'red check', but sometimes two wolves are in contention for the elimination, and it's great distancing.

NANOOK? I guess. He's probably going today unless he makes a good showing before then.

Syn, he's 3p right?

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

I feel like this entire post is too general and I can’t put my
Finger on why.

@Le petit poussin @Lime Coke why is LC town again? Weren’t you townreading him?

[Scotty]

Reading now.

I'll make a list and vote by this evening.

But honestly it will look like:


Scotty
LC2
LC1
Syn
Lpp
Jack
Nook
Thunal
Jib

There was something about the way Thunal and dunya went after each other (gave me some bad tones and vibes) and it suddenly reminded me of a game when Allison bussed her team and be widely townread by everyone but me and I was made to feel stupid so I voted to elim Jack for a devastating loss for the town bc Allison was bad. I've tried to listen to my gut after that.

I honestly hate I have 2 low posters at the bottom of my list.

My 3p shots in the dark in order of suspicions are:

1 LC1
2 Lpp
3 Jack

Hi Roxy, welcome back

Tell me more about your shots in the dark- is that meaning the ones you feel like are deep wolves? I find it odd that LC1 is your 3rd most trusting but top most likely candidate for deep wolf.

[Long Con]

Scotty, don't worry about me. I'm not wolf, I'm not 3p, I'm definitely a town role, and it's a waste of time to consider these thoughts. I'm sorry for being too general.

[Long Con]

Tell me more about your shots in the dark- is that meaning the ones you feel like are deep wolves? I find it odd that LC1 is your 3rd most trusting but top most likely candidate for deep wolf.

I think I'm her #1 candidate for 3p in that list, not deep wolf.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

I'll back this up with some stuff later. Month end close on a Monday sure sucks for accountants, especially when sharepoint deletes HOURS of said accountant's work from Friday.

I'd encourage people to look at Thunal's posts, though. The way she dances around Dunya and votes for townies while just flat ignoring why they're townie as if she didn't read it feels super agenday.

Like I had just posted that bit about Nanook. Thunal ignores it.

LPP was screaming there was no case on me and Dunya was the right yeet. Thunal ignored that.

There’s a bit of mech occlusion here that I feel like has been hinted by others.
But taking that out, I’m not reading all of thunal’s posts.

What I will say is I agree that thunal has a way of dancing around people to the point of all of their suspicions have felt….wrong all game. Like, I feel like thunal has played no real part in actually finding the wolves in wisdom and dunya.

I just did a reread of dunya RE: nook, jack and syn, and that was enlightening for progressions. I wasn’t looking at thunal but when I did see thunal’s ancillary posts, they seemed conciliatory, and ‘hesitant’. Yeah, that’s how I’d describe them. Especially towards the end of dunya’s life, I remember distinctly seeing the phrase ‘getting cold feet’ on the dunya wagon.

Guess I’ll look at their interactions in the waning days of D3 to get a better sense but right now…I could buy this tinfoil

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

[Scotty]

Scotty, don't worry about me. I'm not wolf, I'm not 3p, I'm definitely a town role, and it's a waste of time to consider these thoughts. I'm sorry for being too general.

k

[Le petit poussin]

Jack, NANOOK, Roxy, Syn. That's our PoE situation right now, in my eyes.

Roxy just lost a game to the LC Connection, during which we were appallingly awful at participating. There is a real chance that she believes she can work that same angle here. However, that game was mountainous, and this one is not, so the situation is different. Even though I'm not convinced that the dunya-Roxy spat wasn't faked, wolf Roxy would surely need to participate more, and she seemingly hasn't been here in three full days, so could she even have sent in the kill?

Jack is getting a lot of leeway due to being the counterwagon to dunya, but I could easily see him being the last wolf. I went with it because I thought Lime Coke was hinting at a power role and a Jack 'red check', but sometimes two wolves are in contention for the elimination, and it's great distancing.

NANOOK? I guess. He's probably going today unless he makes a good showing before then.

Syn, he's 3p right?

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

I feel like this entire post is too general and I can’t put my
Finger on why.

@Le petit poussin @Lime Coke why is LC town again? Weren’t you townreading him?

My understanding is that Thunal AND Long Con are voicing for each other.

If I get that wrong, tell me. @Long Con @Thunal33

[Scotty]

Oh, I see you Long Con

Long Con uber town, sorry bud

[Scotty]

Jack, NANOOK, Roxy, Syn. That's our PoE situation right now, in my eyes.

Roxy just lost a game to the LC Connection, during which we were appallingly awful at participating. There is a real chance that she believes she can work that same angle here. However, that game was mountainous, and this one is not, so the situation is different. Even though I'm not convinced that the dunya-Roxy spat wasn't faked, wolf Roxy would surely need to participate more, and she seemingly hasn't been here in three full days, so could she even have sent in the kill?

Jack is getting a lot of leeway due to being the counterwagon to dunya, but I could easily see him being the last wolf. I went with it because I thought Lime Coke was hinting at a power role and a Jack 'red check', but sometimes two wolves are in contention for the elimination, and it's great distancing.

NANOOK? I guess. He's probably going today unless he makes a good showing before then.

Syn, he's 3p right?

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

I feel like this entire post is too general and I can’t put my
Finger on why.

@Le petit poussin @Lime Coke why is LC town again? Weren’t you townreading him?

My understanding is that Thunal AND Long Con are voicing for each other.

If I get that wrong, tell me. @Long Con @Thunal33

Oh, I found something else.

Maybe my interpretation is wrong.

Definitely hinges on this answer

[Le petit poussin]

I kinda disagree with Jack wrt dunyas partner analysis.

He quoted the post she asked me about both Jack and Nanook.
I replied Jack town, Nook null. She didnt gas and just jumped on Jacks wagon.

(I can see where he comes from when she is asking that question, but not what she made of the subsequent posts)

[Le petit poussin]

*but not when it comes to what she made of the subsequent posts.

[Scotty]

Unfortunately I think JB might be mafia but his posting is adorable and wholesome

Did we talk already about ‘JB’? Is that supposed to be Jibay? I feel like this is borderline angleshooting territory, but…did nook personally know Jibay before this game? If yes, disregard.

I love angleshooting

no he didn't

but I think Jibay was already called JB by then by multiple people

Yes, dunya called him that as well as Wisdom.
He never introduced himself as such.

I dunno, if I met a guy who had a name tag at a work event with ‘Richard’ and I saw him interacting with his workmate who fist bumped him and called him ‘Big Dick’, I don’t think I would hit him up and go in for a hug yelling ‘what UP big dick?!’

You know?

[Scotty]

I kinda disagree with Jack wrt dunyas partner analysis.

He quoted the post she asked me about both Jack and Nanook.
I replied Jack town, Nook null. She didnt gas and just jumped on Jacks wagon.

(I can see where he comes from when she is asking that question, but not what she made of the subsequent posts)

I really wish this site’s code could use updated vote totals, because I want to know how many votes nook had at the time she voted for him without hand counting every single vote up until that point

But yeah, that’s another point in favor of Jack not being wind partner unless dunya was just feeling cute and hellbussy

[Scotty]

The Venn diagram of players who voted Jack and Nanook with no reasoning in spite of both being obvious town is Thunal.

And I think I want Thunal dead today regardless. Dragon looking wolf.

Can you tell me why Nanook is obvious town? Because I'm open to voting Roxy today. I'm not really open to voting anyone else.

Also I'm clear town and you should find someone else.

Look at Dunya's posts about Nanook. She's got him lumped in with me. Those are the two options she's floating for yeet outside of herself, me and Nanook. You look at the way she's talking about Nanook, she's absolutely not talking about her partner.

Now look at it again in context. Her entire iso looks far more despondent when it comes to giving any credence to Nook suspicion

[Scotty]

I hate how much seems to happen at end of day. Reading those back carefully really makes me feel like I just started watching Breaking Bad for the first time and now I want to talk about it

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

I'll back this up with some stuff later. Month end close on a Monday sure sucks for accountants, especially when sharepoint deletes HOURS of said accountant's work from Friday.

I'd encourage people to look at Thunal's posts, though. The way she dances around Dunya and votes for townies while just flat ignoring why they're townie as if she didn't read it feels super agenday.

Like I had just posted that bit about Nanook. Thunal ignores it.

LPP was screaming there was no case on me and Dunya was the right yeet. Thunal ignored that.

There’s a bit of mech occlusion here that I feel like has been hinted by others.
But taking that out, I’m not reading all of thunal’s posts.

What I will say is I agree that thunal has a way of dancing around people to the point of all of their suspicions have felt….wrong all game. Like, I feel like thunal has played no real part in actually finding the wolves in wisdom and dunya.

I just did a reread of dunya RE: nook, jack and syn, and that was enlightening for progressions. I wasn’t looking at thunal but when I did see thunal’s ancillary posts, they seemed conciliatory, and ‘hesitant’. Yeah, that’s how I’d describe them. Especially towards the end of dunya’s life, I remember distinctly seeing the phrase ‘getting cold feet’ on the dunya wagon.

Guess I’ll look at their interactions in the waning days of D3 to get a better sense but right now…I could buy this tinfoil

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

I get that it hasn't been my most accurate game, and there have been reasons for that that I don't want to get into. It took me awhile to accept that I just had an off town game and keep playing despite that because there's nothing I can do about my past accuracy now.

I'm already feeling self conscious about my own accuracy especially since I had both wolves and let them go.

And yes, I was hesitant! I was hesitant to make the call to switch because I was stressed and already felt like I let go of Wisdom!

Can we please stop entertaining this tinfoil?

[Thunal33]

Jack, NANOOK, Roxy, Syn. That's our PoE situation right now, in my eyes.

Roxy just lost a game to the LC Connection, during which we were appallingly awful at participating. There is a real chance that she believes she can work that same angle here. However, that game was mountainous, and this one is not, so the situation is different. Even though I'm not convinced that the dunya-Roxy spat wasn't faked, wolf Roxy would surely need to participate more, and she seemingly hasn't been here in three full days, so could she even have sent in the kill?

Jack is getting a lot of leeway due to being the counterwagon to dunya, but I could easily see him being the last wolf. I went with it because I thought Lime Coke was hinting at a power role and a Jack 'red check', but sometimes two wolves are in contention for the elimination, and it's great distancing.

NANOOK? I guess. He's probably going today unless he makes a good showing before then.

Syn, he's 3p right?

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

I feel like this entire post is too general and I can’t put my
Finger on why.

@Le petit poussin @Lime Coke why is LC town again? Weren’t you townreading him?

My understanding is that Thunal AND Long Con are voicing for each other.

If I get that wrong, tell me. @Long Con @Thunal33

Yes that is true.

[Le petit poussin]

Jack, NANOOK, Roxy, Syn. That's our PoE situation right now, in my eyes.

Roxy just lost a game to the LC Connection, during which we were appallingly awful at participating. There is a real chance that she believes she can work that same angle here. However, that game was mountainous, and this one is not, so the situation is different. Even though I'm not convinced that the dunya-Roxy spat wasn't faked, wolf Roxy would surely need to participate more, and she seemingly hasn't been here in three full days, so could she even have sent in the kill?

Jack is getting a lot of leeway due to being the counterwagon to dunya, but I could easily see him being the last wolf. I went with it because I thought Lime Coke was hinting at a power role and a Jack 'red check', but sometimes two wolves are in contention for the elimination, and it's great distancing.

NANOOK? I guess. He's probably going today unless he makes a good showing before then.

Syn, he's 3p right?

[VOTE: NANOOK] aubergine

I feel like this entire post is too general and I can’t put my
Finger on why.

@Le petit poussin @Lime Coke why is LC town again? Weren’t you townreading him?

My understanding is that Thunal AND Long Con are voicing for each other.

If I get that wrong, tell me. @Long Con @Thunal33

@Thunal33 @Long Con

[Le petit poussin]

ok sorry ninjaed

[Thunal33]

Sorry if I got too frustrated Scotty. I've kind of struggled with motivation to play the game.

[Thunal33]

Fwiw, if we take myself, Long Con, Scotty, Lime Coke, and LPP as town (and all these people are either the recipient of a strong townread or the giver of them) then the game is one away from auto at least from the POV of finding the last mafia. 3p might mess with that.

Jibay may have been DDL's target because DDL kept voting for him and made this post:

Yes I know Im not voting for the leading wagon.

But at least it's the leading wagon build over hours of town arguing not some cheap attempt by scum to throw smokescreen.

DDL also knew he was likely going to die so it would be beneficial to soft a target. If we take Jibay as the target (which I'm not certain on but would guess) then the game is auto excepting any 3p shenanigans.

[Jibay]

After my reading today I check of jack of my list is less suspicious form , I have doubt on Nanook after I don't have any big clue this turn , I think I'm gonna follow you for now and continue reading more

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

[Le petit poussin]

ONe thing about Jack is he wasn't in contention for the chop before Dunya came in thread at EOD3 actually. He was flashed wagoned.

I am not saying I am totally dismissing it tbh, but for real it makes no sense to tinfoil it before flipping more logical slots. (because the only reason to believe Jack is the last wolf is "ok dunya and him went for a crazy gambit". If am totally truthfull I will confess I thought about it overnight because of what I did to dunya last game I wolfed here (not saving Wilgy at EOD when dunya and I were the only one itt and Wilgy was tied for the chop), but that is just egoistical so dunno)

[Long Con]

Scotty, Thunal is my #1 townread.

[Long Con]

ONe thing about Jack is he wasn't in contention for the chop before Dunya came in thread at EOD3 actually. He was flashed wagoned.

I am not saying I am totally dismissing it tbh, but for real it makes no sense to tinfoil it before flipping more logical slots. (because the only reason to believe Jack is the last wolf is "ok dunya and him went for a crazy gambit". If am totally truthfull I will confess I thought about it overnight because of what I did to dunya last game I wolfed here (not saving Wilgy at EOD when dunya and I were the only one itt and Wilgy was tied for the chop), but that is just egoistical so dunno)

I may have forced the Jack flashwagon. dunya may have made a choice to go with me on that or keep pushing me another way.

[Long Con]

dunya is very town in her mindset, so say I.

Please quote me on this in any future game at your convenience.