Napoleon Dynamite Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Scotty]

Daisy
Scotty
LC2
LC1
SVS
Thunal
Syn
Jibay
Luffy
Nook
LPP
dunya
Jack


This is where I have put people in my mind. Hers my vote: dunya just going with the majority for this game
Happy Wednesday to those who care to receive my hello.

I mean I guess this post and the ones that lead up to it COULD come from a wolf that expects to die and wants to make her teammate look good but gth, I think these are townie posts.

Also like....if you're distancing, the point is twofold

1) To make your teammate look good if you die

2) To make you look good if your teammate dies

Roxy has been doing fuck and all bragging about her scumreads on Wisdom and Dunya, which I think looks pretty townie.

I’d like to bring your attention to the exact post you just quoted.

Now check this out:
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dunya
5
29%
Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, Scotty, Roxy, S~V~S, Syn

Jackofhearts2005
5
29%
Voters: Long Con, Spacedaisy, Lime Coke, dunya, Thunal33
>

Anyone notice what I notice?

Idk. What did you notice?

Roxy really likes lists (just like Liam Neeson)

[Scotty]

I feel good. Do you feel good? I feel good.

Turboing Lime Coke tomorrow if he didn’t already win/lose

I feel good.

[Syn]

Er, no. It’s commented by Thunal that DDL probably jailed Lime on N3. Can someone show me the receipts on that implication?

Also just had a sobering thought of what if Long Con and Thunal are actually wolf/3p shielding each other without blowback and the actual Kip/Lafawndah are just…missing the plot

But that’s all it is- a nightmarish daydream. That wouldn’t actually happen.

could you imagine if it was actually roxy and jibay

also 18 notifications my god

re: receipts, ddl went into d2 highly suspecting lime, then went into d4 hard vetoing any chop of him (2 wolves dead n3, kill still went through)

[Syn]

@Long Con @Syn how do we reckon with the fact that Jack was the counterwagon to dunya on D3- a counterwagon in which dunya happily jumped to? Wanna talk about hellbussing, that’s the biggest hellbus in this game if true

I would have to check, but wasn't the jack wagon an EOD reactionary flash wagon? that seems like a better organic target for bussing, at least IMO (and I think long con was the one who picked jack?)

[Scotty]

Er, no. It’s commented by Thunal that DDL probably jailed Lime on N3. Can someone show me the receipts on that implication?

Also just had a sobering thought of what if Long Con and Thunal are actually wolf/3p shielding each other without blowback and the actual Kip/Lafawndah are just…missing the plot

But that’s all it is- a nightmarish daydream. That wouldn’t actually happen.

could you imagine if it was actually roxy and jibay

also 18 notifications my god

re: receipts, ddl went into d2 highly suspecting lime, then went into d4 hard vetoing any chop of him (2 wolves dead n3, kill still went through)

If it’s them, I’ll name my firstborn Napoleon

RE: receipts, got em. Thanks!

[Scotty]

@Long Con @Syn how do we reckon with the fact that Jack was the counterwagon to dunya on D3- a counterwagon in which dunya happily jumped to? Wanna talk about hellbussing, that’s the biggest hellbus in this game if true

I would have to check, but wasn't the jack wagon an EOD reactionary flash wagon? that seems like a better organic target for bussing, at least IMO (and I think long con was the one who picked jack?)

Right, the only thing I’m unsure of is how many votes Jack had before dunya quickly jumped on Jack after Long Con.

Dunya had been voting for Nook, which got no traction. But it’s still a selfish jump that I just don’t think dunya does. In this case, I think it’s pretty likely she was just a chaos agent and going to whoever she could that wasn’t her actual partner, who, in my vision, she had already labeled as town

[Syn]

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

barring any blistering new insights

Protip. Stop charting paths through me during the day, furballs.

idk why you're so arrogant when you'll just get turboed tomorrow if you manage to kill me today. I guess you're hoping to rely on roxy and jibay not being here to read or vote?

[Syn]

unless long con and thunal stop playing footsies and start posting, I suspect I'll just go afk until EOD

legacy:
jack wolf
lime or jibay 3p

always chop the wolf before trying to get the 3p

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

barring any blistering new insights

Protip. Stop charting paths through me during the day, furballs.

idk why you're so arrogant when you'll just get turboed tomorrow if you manage to kill me today. I guess you're hoping to rely on roxy and jibay not being here to read or vote?

I'm hoping the game ends.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Syn: Jack's play doesn't make sense for a wolf. Anyway, my legacy is that Jack is the wolf. wowee

[Lime Coke]

would even go as far as suggesting that if it's LYLO and it's roxy + one of scotty or lime + whoever, roxy is the one clear and not them

i amend this after looking again at lpp's ISO

i think scotty is clear-clear

Ah ok.

You know, we could be off on the Lime Coke clearing game, if we put the pieces together.

Because even if Lime Coke was jailed/blocked on N2, dunya could very easily have put in the kill, and probably did.

Lime was both tracked and jailkept on n3. Look at LPP’s ISO start of d3. He said he was tunneling Lime at night but then as the sun rose it clicked Lime was town. That’s a pretty obvious track.

I think it’s likely wolves just did some ill-advised bussing and the wolf is one of Syn or Jack.

Thunal, if I'm jailkept I can't do actions or be on the receiving end of actions...so if DDL jailkept me then LPP wouldn't have even gotten a result from me.

[Lime Coke]

would even go as far as suggesting that if it's LYLO and it's roxy + one of scotty or lime + whoever, roxy is the one clear and not them

i amend this after looking again at lpp's ISO

i think scotty is clear-clear

Ah ok.

You know, we could be off on the Lime Coke clearing game, if we put the pieces together.

Because even if Lime Coke was jailed/blocked on N2, dunya could very easily have put in the kill, and probably did.

Lime was both tracked and jailkept on n3. Look at LPP’s ISO start of d3. He said he was tunneling Lime at night but then as the sun rose it clicked Lime was town. That’s a pretty obvious track.

I think it’s likely wolves just did some ill-advised bussing and the wolf is one of Syn or Jack.

Thunal, if I'm jailkept I can't do actions or be on the receiving end of actions...so if DDL jailkept me then LPP wouldn't have even gotten a result from me.

Also he was literally still trying to tunnel me start of Day 3 he didn't start thinking I was town until DDL said I was town.

[Thunal33]

Oh hmm, I realize my interpretation might not be as ironclad as Roxy seemed to rank Jack below dunya even though she voted for the latter.

But anyway, she could have changed her mind between 10a when she wrote that and when the vote was tied with Jack at eod.

I would also add that every time Roxy posted a read list, she listed every player in the game in a column.

Coincidence? Nah

Yeah I picked up on Roxy always coming in with those lists a couple game days ago which is why I asked her if it was normal yesterday.

She also didn't have to change her mind since both dunya and Nanook had vote manipulating roles. Someone's vote could have counted for 2 or 0 so it could have broke the tie for dunya and not even needed Roxy's input.

[Thunal33]

would even go as far as suggesting that if it's LYLO and it's roxy + one of scotty or lime + whoever, roxy is the one clear and not them

i amend this after looking again at lpp's ISO

i think scotty is clear-clear

Ah ok.

You know, we could be off on the Lime Coke clearing game, if we put the pieces together.

Because even if Lime Coke was jailed/blocked on N2, dunya could very easily have put in the kill, and probably did.

Lime was both tracked and jailkept on n3. Look at LPP’s ISO start of d3. He said he was tunneling Lime at night but then as the sun rose it clicked Lime was town. That’s a pretty obvious track.

I think it’s likely wolves just did some ill-advised bussing and the wolf is one of Syn or Jack.

Thunal, if I'm jailkept I can't do actions or be on the receiving end of actions...so if DDL jailkept me then LPP wouldn't have even gotten a result from me.

Jailkept means blocked and protected, it says in the jailkeeper description. You could still be tracked while jailkept, the tracker would just get a no visit result.

[Thunal33]

I'll make my choice between Syn and Jack later, but I don't think Lime is 3p for social reasons. All the stuff I townread him on like his performance anxiety and worrying about his votes is very town specific to him. I tinfoiled Lime 3p because of LPP's statement but I don't think he is.

[Epignosis]

Poll time corrected. Please note. Don't know why it fed me the time it did originally, but it's right now.

[Thunal33]

Kind of like Syn saying Scotty is a wolf first thing. #29
But then Wisdom does have a point about him not being so enthusiastic and I know he prefers being town. I’ll give him time prob

how is someone not from the org also believing this fake meta about me

Kind of like Syn saying Scotty is a wolf first thing. #29
But then Wisdom does have a point about him not being so enthusiastic and I know he prefers being town. I’ll give him time prob

how is someone not from the org also believing this fake meta about me

You said "thank god" when I gave you your VT role in the game I hosted so I assumed you prefer town.

oh I very much do, but people keep saying I only low-post / have low energy when I rand wolf and it drives me crazy

@Syn why did you object to me "believing the fake meta about you" that you low post as a wolf but didn't address Wisdom believing it?

[Thunal33]

People aren't accusing each other yet and I feel like creating a crappy case on someone just to get discussion rolling but last game I did that and it was too crappy even for D1 standards, so instead if got everybody to make fun of me so I think this time I'll just shitpost until someone else does that work for me.

Pretend I'm a wolf and case me, awoo!

Hi! My town streak continues.

It's been over 3 years since the last time I was mafia.

Well mine isn’t quite that long. But this is the 6th (non turbo) game in a row I’ve been town and I’m loving the change from 2023 where I randed non-town in half my games.

I feel ya! I've had a 75% wolf rate since last summer so I'm just glad I got to town again, maybe the curse is over!

Maybe it's not.

[VOTE: Wisdom] aubergine

In a vacuum, I think DDL seems townie but this looks like w/w flirting.

@Jackofhearts2005 did you wolfread Wisdom when you made this post?

[Jackofhearts2005]

People aren't accusing each other yet and I feel like creating a crappy case on someone just to get discussion rolling but last game I did that and it was too crappy even for D1 standards, so instead if got everybody to make fun of me so I think this time I'll just shitpost until someone else does that work for me.

Pretend I'm a wolf and case me, awoo!

Hi! My town streak continues.

It's been over 3 years since the last time I was mafia.

Well mine isn’t quite that long. But this is the 6th (non turbo) game in a row I’ve been town and I’m loving the change from 2023 where I randed non-town in half my games.

I feel ya! I've had a 75% wolf rate since last summer so I'm just glad I got to town again, maybe the curse is over!

Maybe it's not.

[VOTE: Wisdom] aubergine

In a vacuum, I think DDL seems townie but this looks like w/w flirting.

@Jackofhearts2005 did you wolfread Wisdom when you made this post?

I wolfread that post. It’d probably be self congratulatory to call what I had a full wolfread on Wisdom.

[Thunal33]

I'm kind of seeing dunya's vote on Jack being a bus as a little more likely than Syn's vote on dunya being a bus.

Syn opened d3 with a vote on dunya, saw the wagon on dunya build up, and stayed on it. He did float voting DDL and voting me which makes me feel a little worse about him but he had no real reason to bus dunya at SoD when there was no indication she was in danger.

Dunya may have voted Jack on antispew and was actually resigned to her fate of dying. In a vacuum I'd probably take an antispew EoD bus as more likely than an unprompted SoD bus.

[Thunal33]

vote wisdom

it's where I feel my strongest bad vibe

Last post of Roxy's D1. About 2 hours from EOD (don't at me. Timezones are hard). Vote count at the time is like
4-5 votes Falcon
3 votes Roxy
2 votes Wisdom (the other being Falcon)

So not super impactful. A somewhat risky vote if Wisdom and Roxy are wolfing together because Falcon is their only real alternative and Roxy votes Wisdom instead.

Kinda just keeping with my theme of "I'm not saying it's impossible for Roxy to be a wolf but..."

went through roxy's minimal ISO and I'm confident just considering her town, especially with how dunia treated her, and doubly especially with how inactive she's been

would even go as far as suggesting that if it's LYLO and it's roxy + one of scotty or lime + whoever, roxy is the one clear and not them

not that this matters if she zero posts the rest of the game

I'm leaning towards voting Jack partly because of the difference between how Syn treats Roxy and how Jack treats Roxy. Both Syn or Jack, if wolf, would be fighting an uphill battle. Roxy would be a required miskill for both.

Jack is keeping Roxy as a possible if unlikely wolf throughout his ISO work. Syn is completely shutting down wolfreads on Roxy to the point of wanting to push a clear over her if it's LYLO.

I guess I'll just vote now as a lean even though I'm not done with my work. Maybe putting the votes at a tie will help inspire discussion.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

[Thunal33]

idk why I'd lackadaisically defend wisdom as wolf, lose her to a dayvig, and then immediately hellbus my remaining partner the next day

(A) You presumably didn’t know Wisdom was going to be dayvigged.
(B) Seeing your partner go down as such, it stands to reason that you decided to take the opposite approach and hellbus dunya

On the note of B, spot the difference between the following suspicions (presented in order):

Spoiler: show

Scotty:

through careful science, I have deduced scotty is a wolf

oh right I forgot to do the vote tags

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

let's go. town sweep

Lime Coke:

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Jack:

I can get behind a jack chop though

actually I do question thunal thinking falcon's post was outing. she's played like a hundred games and someone messing around on d1 when they're a lead wagon is almost never lolcatting/giving up

Le petit:

I have no strong feelings about this game. someone do something provocative

Ok.

[VOTE: Jibay] aubergine

I want to chop Rask so I can't judge this very hard

ANYWAY

SYN GIVE ME SOME HOT TAKES
Preferably but not required mafia-related

rask is no-posting because he's wolf and doesn't know his teammates

Thunal:

nevermind rask can rot

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Dunya:

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

she deserves it tbh, she defended you at EOD. Made me unvote you. Sentencing her with death seems right.

(seriously why?)

I don't believe the reasoning behind her defense, and that I'm her "top town read"

there's no way

Everyone should send music to symphony. It's the best categories in all the years I've done it. JOIN OR ELSE

that's not what you said in private about them

wolfy

Scotty has excellent tone. still null because I feel this isn't the type of player you tone read

he's always a golden retriever

good to know

speak to me about dunya.

french, yet overly conciliatory

has no reason to actually defend me, went hard to bat for me

I'm doing nothing and am not even interacting with her. she should want to launch me into the sun (soleil soleil soleil)

also the whole "it would be too ballsy to act the way syn is acting if he's wolf" thing just does not parse. meaningless sentence

dunya wolfing awoooo

leading wagon. gee. i wonder how this started...

meeeee :3

Nook:

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Long Con:

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Also I just wanted to add some excitement since I was abandoned on nanook

Nook:

idk where you're all getting these clears from but I'll sheep onto nook since I already wanted him dead yippee

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

So notice anything with the quality of his suspicions in the game?

Here’s what I see:
He starts D3 by voting for dunya, has a flurry of posts that are condemning her.
After she’s gone? Back to his lackadaisical voting patterns voting with trite or unexplained reasoning.

He knew she was bad…because he *knew* she was bad.


AND

He wasn’t even around for the eod where dunya went down. Dunya BARELY got yeeted. We don’t know what syn would have done in the waning moments if he were around.

There was a definite difference here and Syn did push dunya harder than anyone else in the game. I'm just not sure if that's wolfy for him.

For anyone with meta: Does Syn bus like that? I guess same question for dunya, would she bus like that at EoD? If one of dunya or Syn is known to be averse to bussing that may change my vote.

[Syn]

Kind of like Syn saying Scotty is a wolf first thing. #29
But then Wisdom does have a point about him not being so enthusiastic and I know he prefers being town. I’ll give him time prob

how is someone not from the org also believing this fake meta about me

Kind of like Syn saying Scotty is a wolf first thing. #29
But then Wisdom does have a point about him not being so enthusiastic and I know he prefers being town. I’ll give him time prob

how is someone not from the org also believing this fake meta about me

You said "thank god" when I gave you your VT role in the game I hosted so I assumed you prefer town.

oh I very much do, but people keep saying I only low-post / have low energy when I rand wolf and it drives me crazy

@Syn why did you object to me "believing the fake meta about you" that you low post as a wolf but didn't address Wisdom believing it?

i played with wisdom on the org

[Thunal33]

Kind of like Syn saying Scotty is a wolf first thing. #29
But then Wisdom does have a point about him not being so enthusiastic and I know he prefers being town. I’ll give him time prob

how is someone not from the org also believing this fake meta about me

Kind of like Syn saying Scotty is a wolf first thing. #29
But then Wisdom does have a point about him not being so enthusiastic and I know he prefers being town. I’ll give him time prob

how is someone not from the org also believing this fake meta about me

You said "thank god" when I gave you your VT role in the game I hosted so I assumed you prefer town.

oh I very much do, but people keep saying I only low-post / have low energy when I rand wolf and it drives me crazy

@Syn why did you object to me "believing the fake meta about you" that you low post as a wolf but didn't address Wisdom believing it?

i played with wisdom on the org

Wouldn't that make you more likely to call her out on having a misconception about your play, not less?

[Syn]

idk why I'd lackadaisically defend wisdom as wolf, lose her to a dayvig, and then immediately hellbus my remaining partner the next day

(A) You presumably didn’t know Wisdom was going to be dayvigged.
(B) Seeing your partner go down as such, it stands to reason that you decided to take the opposite approach and hellbus dunya

On the note of B, spot the difference between the following suspicions (presented in order):

Spoiler: show

Scotty:

through careful science, I have deduced scotty is a wolf

oh right I forgot to do the vote tags

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

let's go. town sweep

Lime Coke:

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Jack:

I can get behind a jack chop though

actually I do question thunal thinking falcon's post was outing. she's played like a hundred games and someone messing around on d1 when they're a lead wagon is almost never lolcatting/giving up

Le petit:

I have no strong feelings about this game. someone do something provocative

Ok.

[VOTE: Jibay] aubergine

I want to chop Rask so I can't judge this very hard

ANYWAY

SYN GIVE ME SOME HOT TAKES
Preferably but not required mafia-related

rask is no-posting because he's wolf and doesn't know his teammates

Thunal:

nevermind rask can rot

[VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

Dunya:

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

she deserves it tbh, she defended you at EOD. Made me unvote you. Sentencing her with death seems right.

(seriously why?)

I don't believe the reasoning behind her defense, and that I'm her "top town read"

there's no way

Everyone should send music to symphony. It's the best categories in all the years I've done it. JOIN OR ELSE

that's not what you said in private about them

wolfy

Scotty has excellent tone. still null because I feel this isn't the type of player you tone read

he's always a golden retriever

good to know

speak to me about dunya.

french, yet overly conciliatory

has no reason to actually defend me, went hard to bat for me

I'm doing nothing and am not even interacting with her. she should want to launch me into the sun (soleil soleil soleil)

also the whole "it would be too ballsy to act the way syn is acting if he's wolf" thing just does not parse. meaningless sentence

dunya wolfing awoooo

leading wagon. gee. i wonder how this started...

meeeee :3

Nook:

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Long Con:

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Also I just wanted to add some excitement since I was abandoned on nanook

Nook:

idk where you're all getting these clears from but I'll sheep onto nook since I already wanted him dead yippee

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

So notice anything with the quality of his suspicions in the game?

Here’s what I see:
He starts D3 by voting for dunya, has a flurry of posts that are condemning her.
After she’s gone? Back to his lackadaisical voting patterns voting with trite or unexplained reasoning.

He knew she was bad…because he *knew* she was bad.


AND

He wasn’t even around for the eod where dunya went down. Dunya BARELY got yeeted. We don’t know what syn would have done in the waning moments if he were around.

There was a definite difference here and Syn did push dunya harder than anyone else in the game. I'm just not sure if that's wolfy for him.

For anyone with meta: Does Syn bus like that? I guess same question for dunya, would she bus like that at EoD? If one of dunya or Syn is known to be averse to bussing that may change my vote.

self-meta so feel free to ignore, but I vastly prefer being bussed over bussing. not opposed to it though so long as it's agreed upon beforehand. my first intro to mafia was getting spontaneously bussed by zack and takhisis and I was big mad post-game about it lol

[Syn]

Kind of like Syn saying Scotty is a wolf first thing. #29
But then Wisdom does have a point about him not being so enthusiastic and I know he prefers being town. I’ll give him time prob

how is someone not from the org also believing this fake meta about me

Kind of like Syn saying Scotty is a wolf first thing. #29
But then Wisdom does have a point about him not being so enthusiastic and I know he prefers being town. I’ll give him time prob

how is someone not from the org also believing this fake meta about me

You said "thank god" when I gave you your VT role in the game I hosted so I assumed you prefer town.

oh I very much do, but people keep saying I only low-post / have low energy when I rand wolf and it drives me crazy

@Syn why did you object to me "believing the fake meta about you" that you low post as a wolf but didn't address Wisdom believing it?

i played with wisdom on the org

Wouldn't that make you more likely to call her out on having a misconception about your play, not less?

no because I already complained about it on the org xD

[Thunal33]

Bussing your last partner in a role madness game with a tracker and jailkeeper still alive is a pretty bad idea regardless of whether it's Syn bussing dunya or dunya bussing Jack. With dunya bussing Jack I could at least see it as a desperate last-ditch play to try to save a losing team. With Syn bussing dunya... idk what he was doing if he's a wolf. It doesn't make a lot of sense to just wake up and decide to bus your last partner unless you're someone who can't resist bussing.

[Thunal33]

After reading Like Coke and Syn, I feel like I can see why he thinks Syn is town based on his treatment of Wjsdom. Do you go to bath that clearly for a wolf teammate? I dunno. Fuck. I feel super twisted up now.

Ok, I am going to establish who I will not vote

SVS
Long Con
DDL

I’m going to say everyone else is in my POE, but the ones I feel less convinced of are

Thunal
Syn
Dunya

That leaves my POE
Scotty
LPP
Lime Coke
Jack
Jibay
Nook
Roxy

im down to vote for jack, roxy or nook, flash wagon with me?

At the time dunya said this, it doesn't look like there was any indication Jack would be the accepted flash wagon out of those three. LPP was townreading Jack and Daisy had all three in her PoE. Other than Lime I don't think anyone badly wanted Jack killed and he was kind of floating in the consensus PoE. It's plausible dunya just didn't know Jack would be the name out of those to catch on and when Long Con voted Jack it would be weird for dunya not to follow.

[Thunal33]

I just looked at Sims Mafia where Roxy and Long Con were mafia together and Roxy's distancing with him pretty much consisted of her making a show of the fact that they disagreed on reads.

It's possible wolf Roxy felt genuine frustration with how dunya treated her but reading their interactions there's stuff on both sides that makes me really think Roxy is town.

Does Roxy overreact when she's suspected as a wolf? I've never seen her wolf game.

Like this really feels like dunya is trying to cling on to Roxy suspicion when she has a hard time justifying it anymore.

spicy. roxy is still on my suspect list. i find her posts to be lacking sincerity and she was quite cold with a genuine post i made about her. i understand time restraints and all that, but there's some hypocricy in how she responds to me.. maybe it's a personal thing idk. but yeah.

And the post itself from dunya feels like dunya knows the suspicion is wrong. She's giving herself room to go "oops, it was just a personal thing"

[Thunal33]

jack is in this game. jack is a good contender for 3p.

because he hasn't pushed me yet.

This is weird. Dunya calling Jack possible 3p is good for Jack but her reasoning being that Jack hasn't pushed her yet makes it a bit less good.

[Jackofhearts2005]

vote wisdom

it's where I feel my strongest bad vibe

Last post of Roxy's D1. About 2 hours from EOD (don't at me. Timezones are hard). Vote count at the time is like
4-5 votes Falcon
3 votes Roxy
2 votes Wisdom (the other being Falcon)

So not super impactful. A somewhat risky vote if Wisdom and Roxy are wolfing together because Falcon is their only real alternative and Roxy votes Wisdom instead.

Kinda just keeping with my theme of "I'm not saying it's impossible for Roxy to be a wolf but..."

went through roxy's minimal ISO and I'm confident just considering her town, especially with how dunia treated her, and doubly especially with how inactive she's been

would even go as far as suggesting that if it's LYLO and it's roxy + one of scotty or lime + whoever, roxy is the one clear and not them

not that this matters if she zero posts the rest of the game

I'm leaning towards voting Jack partly because of the difference between how Syn treats Roxy and how Jack treats Roxy. Both Syn or Jack, if wolf, would be fighting an uphill battle. Roxy would be a required miskill for both.

Jack is keeping Roxy as a possible if unlikely wolf throughout his ISO work. Syn is completely shutting down wolfreads on Roxy to the point of wanting to push a clear over her if it's LYLO.

I guess I'll just vote now as a lean even though I'm not done with my work. Maybe putting the votes at a tie will help inspire discussion.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

That's seriously the most important point out of all of this for you?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Bussing your last partner in a role madness game with a tracker and jailkeeper still alive is a pretty bad idea regardless of whether it's Syn bussing dunya or dunya bussing Jack. With dunya bussing Jack I could at least see it as a desperate last-ditch play to try to save a losing team. With Syn bussing dunya... idk what he was doing if he's a wolf. It doesn't make a lot of sense to just wake up and decide to bus your last partner unless you're someone who can't resist bussing.

Hmm yes and I'm a better wolf player than Syn.

[Thunal33]

vote wisdom

it's where I feel my strongest bad vibe

Last post of Roxy's D1. About 2 hours from EOD (don't at me. Timezones are hard). Vote count at the time is like
4-5 votes Falcon
3 votes Roxy
2 votes Wisdom (the other being Falcon)

So not super impactful. A somewhat risky vote if Wisdom and Roxy are wolfing together because Falcon is their only real alternative and Roxy votes Wisdom instead.

Kinda just keeping with my theme of "I'm not saying it's impossible for Roxy to be a wolf but..."

went through roxy's minimal ISO and I'm confident just considering her town, especially with how dunia treated her, and doubly especially with how inactive she's been

would even go as far as suggesting that if it's LYLO and it's roxy + one of scotty or lime + whoever, roxy is the one clear and not them

not that this matters if she zero posts the rest of the game

I'm leaning towards voting Jack partly because of the difference between how Syn treats Roxy and how Jack treats Roxy. Both Syn or Jack, if wolf, would be fighting an uphill battle. Roxy would be a required miskill for both.

Jack is keeping Roxy as a possible if unlikely wolf throughout his ISO work. Syn is completely shutting down wolfreads on Roxy to the point of wanting to push a clear over her if it's LYLO.

I guess I'll just vote now as a lean even though I'm not done with my work. Maybe putting the votes at a tie will help inspire discussion.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

That's seriously the most important point out of all of this for you?

No and not sure where you got that from. I'm still doing thread work but by that point I had a lean on you and I felt I should act on that lean. That wasn't the one point that made me vote you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well good. I'll let you do your thing instead of nitpicking you. But for the record, I have a lot of good and funny counterpoints to anything about me being more wolfy than Syn.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Spoiler: show

Wait til you're done to read this. I have self control issues.

[Thunal33]

Spoiler: show

Wait til you're done to read this. I have self control issues.

Why would you think EoD was important as a villager or wolf when Dunya had 7 or 8 votes? I didn't think EoD was important myself until the last 10 minutes and had pretty spotty activity.

Also I'm not really going for some grand case, rn I'm mostly checking a Syn scum game and also making sure I can clear Roxy.

[Scotty]

So I did the thing and combed through Day 3. Here is the progression of all the vote tags are aligned with the votes:

Le petit > Jibay
Syn > dunya
Dunya > le petit
Le petit > DDL
DDL > Lime Coke
Lime Coke > Roxy
Lime Coke > Scotty
Scotty > Lime Coke
Le petit > Lime Coke

At this point, it’s
Lime Coke (3)
le petit, Scotty, dunya (1)

Syn makes his doubledown statements on dunya. Syn is still the only one voting her. He leaves thread for 8 hours. Then:

DDL > dunya
Jack > dunya
Lime Coke > Jack
Long Con > Jack
Scotty > dunya

So now it’s
Dunya (4)
Jack (2)
Lime Coke, le petit (1)

Then Syn comes back on:

ok, I’m not quoting anything here but I just did an iso of Thunal RE: Wisdom, and damnnnn is it bad.

wanna vote her? :3

No one bites.

ugh, no fun

Sometime Nook votes > Lime Coke, but he never posts this in thread >:(
Jack > Lime
Thunal > Jibay (tues 6:45)

So now it’s:
Dunya, Lime Coke (3)
Jack (2)
le petit, Jibay (1)

Then Syn comes back calling dunya howling. This actually is a good point in his favor based on the vote momentum, and he could have easily pushed for someone else. After he does so, Long Con predicts ‘we are headed for a Dunya vote’

Thunal > Dunya
Long Con > Dunya
SVS > Dunya
Roxy > Dunya
Daisy > Dunya

The wagon is getting out of control.

Dunya (5)
Lime Coke (3)
le petit (1)

Syn was there popping in after Long Con’s vote to tell dunya he started her wagon, and that is his last post in the day, (about 12 hours before EoD). So afterwards is not consequential for Syn purposes.




In summary, it’s actually better looking for Syn in that he could have pushed another name, and was influential in getting dunya over the edge before he left for the day.

You know what did surprise me though in my reread was THIS vote:

Jack > Dunya

Dunya (4)
Jack (2)
Lime Coke (2??), le petit (1)

Into this:

Jack > Lime Coke

Dunya, Lime Coke (3)
Jack (2)
Le petit (1)

[Thunal33]

I read a Syn scum game and he did put a vote on his teammate Abigail Sophia on day 6, but Abigail was already a wagon when he did and Syn had chainsaw defended her earlier. He townread his other teammate Michelle.

I don't think Syn is as averse to bussing as some people are, but he was hesitant to bus his teammate and waited until other people voted her.

[Scotty]

@Jackofhearts2005 before I go back into your Day 3, why did you choose to vote away from dunya onto Lime Coke?

[Thunal33]

Bussing your last partner in a role madness game with a tracker and jailkeeper still alive is a pretty bad idea regardless of whether it's Syn bussing dunya or dunya bussing Jack. With dunya bussing Jack I could at least see it as a desperate last-ditch play to try to save a losing team. With Syn bussing dunya... idk what he was doing if he's a wolf. It doesn't make a lot of sense to just wake up and decide to bus your last partner unless you're someone who can't resist bussing.

Hmm yes and I'm a better wolf player than Syn.

I don't think I follow. Your dunya vote felt more like a noncommittal vote while she was already a wagon so to me it's not the same as Syn starting the wagon.

[Thunal33]

I don't think Jack's push on Lime d3 is really wolfy though. It makes sense that anyone, town or wolf, would want to push someone who is saying to kill them without really caring about their alignment.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Jackofhearts2005 before I go back into your Day 3, why did you choose to vote away from dunya onto Lime Coke?

Iirc, I was just putting them at 3/3. I thought Lime looked worse but mostly just thought the two looked bad together. Like there was a thingie both me and DDL saw that made Dunya look like Lime’s partner that I’ve since forgotten.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Thunal, I’m mostly taking the piss RE: Syn bussing being a “bad wolf move” and then the absurdity of me not even being there.

I’m not actually trying to argue “I am town and Syn is a wolf” with those posts.

[Thunal33]

I’m moving to [VOTE: SYN] aubergine because everyone keeps forgetting that in that massive tie before it landed on moto, Syn was one of them. How is this flying under the radar?

i feel like w!syn would have tried pocketing me when i gave him a generous town read. instead it made him all suspicious of me and start a wagon against me.

sorry daisy, i don't mean to discredit your syn read. it could be him. at this point, there's no self pres so i'll just sit on nanook to remind everyone he exists

I kind of thought these posts together looked good for Syn. There was really nothing to apologize to Daisy for and it felt like dunya was trying to keep Daisy's suspicion on Syn.

[Thunal33]

Thunal, I’m mostly taking the piss RE: Syn bussing being a “bad wolf move” and then the absurdity of me not even being there.

I’m not actually trying to argue “I am town and Syn is a wolf” with those posts.

Oh np, I'm not really great with understanding jokey posts.

[Thunal33]

I have to go so far back trying to search for a Dunya scum game that I'm not sure it's worthwhile. Does anyone know of one off the top of their head? I just want to get a general idea of how Dunya treats partners.

[Thunal33]

I'm glad I at least got some of my solving enjoyment back tonight. I've kind of been in a slump after I let both Dunya and Wisdom go after having both as wolf reads at different times, so I've had trouble with having any confidence in any of my reads.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have to go so far back trying to search for a Dunya scum game that I'm not sure it's worthwhile. Does anyone know of one off the top of their head? I just want to get a general idea of how Dunya treats partners.

Oooh oooh.

Fire Emblem mafia. She was teamed with Long Con.

[Jackofhearts2005]

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[Jackofhearts2005]

Idk how good 6 years ago meta is but I’m proud of the setup and the jokes.