The Game of Champions 2024 [ENDGAME]

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm still on the Thunal should've gone over yesterday train.

Pyx, Sprit, Sig and Cape are all effective options.

I think pyx is town for reasons

Even though I think pyxs play is just... very wolfy

why tho?

Is it really that hard to catch onto

Like read my progression on Pyxxy and why and when it changed i don't think it's very well hidden lol but I'm not gonna say it

I mean I also don’t see it fwiw.

It’s not like it’s something he told you, as he’s as chatty as a rock

It had nothing to do with pyxxy themself to be clear

Well that clears it up

I still have no idea what you’re referring to, though I’m not one to prod RE: pyxxy

It's quite possible I misunderstood something

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Can everyone play along with me for a second

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Apologies got in a game of rivals

Okay can everyone tell me who they think they are most likely being snowed by/ is the deep wolf

[Scotty]

Apologies got in a game of rivals

Okay can everyone tell me who they think they are most likely being snowed by/ is the deep wolf

Thunal

[falcon45ca]

Yeah, I don’t have the time or ability to keep up so I’m better off out of the game

In third party marker, I leave the game when half or more living players including myself are marked. I have a one shot BP vest

I targeted Tony night 1 and falcon last night

I take my leave now and wish you all best of luck

And for integrity [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

@falcon45ca @sig @Thunal33 @nutella thoughts on this?

It looks like a Hail Mary play by a snagged W

[falcon45ca]

Apologies got in a game of rivals

Okay can everyone tell me who they think they are most likely being snowed by/ is the deep wolf

Scotty

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

<3

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Thanks the more people answer that the better

[Scotty]

Apologies got in a game of rivals

Okay can everyone tell me who they think they are most likely being snowed by/ is the deep wolf

Scotty

[Scotty]

If sprit is in fact a 3p, I place this game at 3 mafia at worst, unless it’s multiball; in which case, it’s still not bad numbers to kill a 3p atm

[Long Con]

Apologies got in a game of rivals

Okay can everyone tell me who they think they are most likely being snowed by/ is the deep wolf

S~V~S, in tinfoil land

[Scotty]

Apologies got in a game of rivals

Okay can everyone tell me who they think they are most likely being snowed by/ is the deep wolf

S~V~S, in tinfoil land

Interesting, I wonder what @S~V~S thinks of you. According to her recent read list, she townreads you. But why does she?

[DrWilgy]

Good morning!

My action failed.

Why you killed Roxy like that it's out of a logical explanation to me, I was extremely frustrated you let pyxxy alive for no reason and chopped the towniest of the 4. Also I woke up at 4 am (2 hours after eod), I will try to be awake next time to protect my town reads.

3 presumed fails…hmmm…

Makes me feel like there was a mafia dampener or something in play.

@everyone Did ANYONE use an action and NOT receive feedback that your action failed? You don’t have to say what you did or who you targeted.

I used an action and it failed. Also allow me to chime in with Abigail's statement upon the existence of vote manip checks out.

[Long Con]

Apologies got in a game of rivals

Okay can everyone tell me who they think they are most likely being snowed by/ is the deep wolf

S~V~S, in tinfoil land

Interesting, I wonder what @S~V~S thinks of you. According to her recent read list, she townreads you. But why does she?

Why does anyone townread me? LOL I have no idea, usually they reference NAI things probably. But they are right, I am Town, and hey, eggs eggs eggs eggs eggs there ya go buddy!

[DrWilgy]

re silences, beyond Pyx and DM has everyone checked in today?

[DrWilgy]

Abbi is so frustrated about being silenced so she didn't have it as an effect of using her role.

I have two theories based on the static in my brain:

1) there is a mafia silencer and a town silencer, both being used independently on LC and Abbi. Weird choices but ok.
2) there is some sort of role that copies any conditions (good or bad) of another player. That would probably be exactly LC

Abbi seems like mafia silencer material for sure. Though I guess I could be wrong in that assumption

If there's a town silencer they should never ever use it this is the most anti town ability I've ever seen

yeah town silencer doesn't make sense. You just always holster unless there's another explicit reason you'd do this.

[Long Con]

Abbi is so frustrated about being silenced so she didn't have it as an effect of using her role.

I have two theories based on the static in my brain:

1) there is a mafia silencer and a town silencer, both being used independently on LC and Abbi. Weird choices but ok.
2) there is some sort of role that copies any conditions (good or bad) of another player. That would probably be exactly LC

Abbi seems like mafia silencer material for sure. Though I guess I could be wrong in that assumption

If there's a town silencer they should never ever use it this is the most anti town ability I've ever seen

yeah town silencer doesn't make sense. You just always holster unless there's another explicit reason you'd do this.

What, like a Mafia in-thread spellcaster?

[DrWilgy]

Abbi is so frustrated about being silenced so she didn't have it as an effect of using her role.

I have two theories based on the static in my brain:

1) there is a mafia silencer and a town silencer, both being used independently on LC and Abbi. Weird choices but ok.
2) there is some sort of role that copies any conditions (good or bad) of another player. That would probably be exactly LC

Abbi seems like mafia silencer material for sure. Though I guess I could be wrong in that assumption

If there's a town silencer they should never ever use it this is the most anti town ability I've ever seen

yeah town silencer doesn't make sense. You just always holster unless there's another explicit reason you'd do this.

What, like a Mafia in-thread spellcaster?

unknown, it just makes no sense for town to silence without incentive.

[DrWilgy]

I skimmed through D2 to now to figure out where exactly we were on mech,

Mech shit:
Host:
D1 ended in no death
D2 poll had 4

SVS:
#858 Selects numbers

Thunal
#1180 Thunal targeted Scotty
#1188 Protective role
#1257 declaration of softing
#1386 N2 action failed

Pyxxy
#1183 targeted Scotty

Abigail
#1326 claims silenced
#1328 limits poll via name selection
#1346 claims existence of vote manip abilities
#1365 claims multiple 1 shots

Sprityo
#1385 N2 action failed

Michelle
#1406 N2 action failed

Long Con
#1420 claims silenced

Sprityo
#1740 3rd party claim, Win is inclusive, BP vest, time based victory

Someone feel free to add if we have more.

Thoughts:
There has to be a shitload of block mechs in this game for all of these failures including my own.
I understand why we didn't yeet Thunal yesterday as much as it doesn't sit well with me, however, I disagree still with Pyx not being the alternative.
It's weird that there were 2 silences yesterday and likely 1 today. (I highly doubt that DM was silenced purposefully)
We're at 9 (including myself) out of 15 players remaining that have contributed mech details. If we're worried about tolerance based soups or anything (which is often what I do when trying to put a claim mech on games.)
Theorized scum role cop makes enough sense to me
Roxy's role could imply multiple BTSC groupings
Sprit's claim is weird in that Brad also had a 'time incentivized 3p win con' based on markings they put on players but Brad's was pre game not during.

[DrWilgy]

@sprityo can you only win via removal from the game alive, or can you die, the numbers dwindle and suddenly you're at your 50% wincon?

[DrWilgy]

Where I'm at following this, POE feels like: Cape, DM, LC, Michelle, Porscha, Pyx, Sig, Nut.

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

Sprits not included, Sprit is a matter of 'when we deal with them'

[DrWilgy]

Apologies got in a game of rivals

Okay can everyone tell me who they think they are most likely being snowed by/ is the deep wolf

If there is a deep wolf, Thunal, as my read without mech is still like 'you're correct this is a wolf slot'

Does this qualify?

[Porscha]

Where I'm at following this, POE feels like: Cape, DM, LC, Michelle, Porscha, Pyx, Sig, Nut.

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine

that's pert near the entire game brother

[Scotty]

I currently trust everyone on the nutella wagon. Why is no one talking about nutella?

sig and nutella, two people I don’t trust, are currently on sprityo.

Yes, sprityo is doing nothing in the name of townsiding by throwing a vote on himself and shrugging so high his traps are taller than he is, but I do find the optics odd. It’s as if mafia are perfectly content with sprit being the chop this close to eod

[Scotty]

Where I'm at following this, POE feels like: Cape, DM, LC, Michelle, Porscha, Pyx, Sig, Nut.

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine

This is not the vote today brother

[Scotty]

Where I'm at following this, POE feels like: Cape, DM, LC, Michelle, Porscha, Pyx, Sig, Nut.

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine

that's pert near the entire game brother

lol not wrong. It’s more than half the remaining players

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Apologies got in a game of rivals

Okay can everyone tell me who they think they are most likely being snowed by/ is the deep wolf

If there is a deep wolf, Thunal, as my read without mech is still like 'you're correct this is a wolf slot'

Does this qualify?

Yes thank you

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I'm not sure I'm gonna be here for eod

[Scotty]

I'm not sure I'm gonna be here for eod

I’m probably not either

And like clockwork I’m sure there will be 6 pages missed between now and then

[Michelle]

Thunal can be a deep wolf.

[Michelle]

Where I'm at following this, POE feels like: Cape, DM, LC, Michelle, Porscha, Pyx, Sig, Nut.

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine

Reduce the numbers, it doesn't help the solve to suspect so many players

[Long Con]

I'm not sure I'm gonna be here for eod

Who should we yeet, and who should be exempt from yeet?

[Michelle]

I will try to wake up for Eod.

[DrWilgy]

Where I'm at following this, POE feels like: Cape, DM, LC, Michelle, Porscha, Pyx, Sig, Nut.

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine

that's pert near the entire game brother

Yeah my abstraction with the game hasn't ended. DM, LC, Michelle and you would probably move to more tenable reads if I dove into it.

The poe is really neutral to wolf leans.

[DrWilgy]

People I have reason to not vote aren't on the list, nulls are you 4 and can yeets are the remainder.

[Thunal33]

I feel like if sig were town mafia would have tried to push him by now and I haven’t felt any better about him.

[DrWilgy]

Where I'm at following this, POE feels like: Cape, DM, LC, Michelle, Porscha, Pyx, Sig, Nut.

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine

This is not the vote today brother

Incorrect

[Thunal33]

My issue with sprityo’s claim is that it’s kind of similar to Lime Coke’s role. The weight system is a way to mark people for endgame. It’s not impossible but I’m skeptical.

[DrWilgy]

My issue with sprityo’s claim is that it’s kind of similar to Lime Coke’s role. The weight system is a way to mark people for endgame. It’s not impossible but I’m skeptical.

Same. Both have the "game goes well and long enough, then you're good" feels.

[Long Con]

My issue with sprityo’s claim is that it’s kind of similar to Lime Coke’s role. The weight system is a way to mark people for endgame. It’s not impossible but I’m skeptical.

It may be a copy of a role from a game this year. Sprit could easily be a Wolf who took a bit of time to look at Indy roles from this year and chose an inoffensive one to fakeclaim at the game's outset. Was this a role from a 2024 game?

If it were chosen at the outset, then lies and frustration about Tony dying would be easy enough to play into. I mean, it would be a crafty ploy, requiring planning and ability. Is Sprityo known for these kinds of schemes at all?

[Long Con]

Incidentally, I can't count how many times I saw something that "could be X scheme", realized it would be a brilliant scheme to try one day, but then forgot about it entirely. This one is no exception.

sprityo could conceivably make it quite far into the game if we accept his non-hostile role premise. If it's a true story, then I'm like "hell yeah I want to help sprityo win alongside Town!" Tough call to make. I would not mind giving him a little leeway, and hoping that some power role might prove or disprove his claim somewhere along the way?

[Long Con]

Trying to feel out the good Doctor here, just going through his ISO... I'll quote posts and add thoughts as I go, and see what we end up with.

Up until this post on Day 2, I didn't see much real content at all. Couple of softball questions kinda thing.

A smaller voting pool is convenient for catching up.

Pyx's iso is bleh. I don't like that there was a dichotomy observed between LongusCongus/Porscha/Michelle with Abi as the center and no further exploration beyond that a vote for Abigail. I don't know the vote records at the time, so maybe it was the only of the four available, but I wish there was more thread exploration there.

Wilgy criticizes pyxxy incorrectly here. If you understand the situation and read the pertinent posts of pyxxy's, the "dichotomy" was debunked by pyxxy in his very next post as he was incorrect about Porscha *not* townreading Michelle. His Abby vote came later and was unrelated, but he had already talked himself out of a LC/Michelle/Porscha triad harbouring one Wolf.

One could say this is suspicious, in that Wilgy was doing more 'concocting of suspicion' than 'reasoning to suspicion', but do I usually have success with that kind of thing? I don't keep track, honestly. I'm wrong more than I'm right, but sometimes I'm DAMN right.

That was Wilgy's analysis of pyxxy. His analysis of Roxy, I think, is completely devoid of a single opinion. It's all shrug-talk and fence-riding:

Roxy D1 is lighter than I normally expect, but a lot of feel based responses to the thread. Normally fine and a splash of No U between Rox and Porscha.

Roxy D2 some speculation on the polls and more on Porscha. Roxy/Porscha is a thing, but I don't know how it pans out. Roxy's thoughts on the poll are interesting, but I tread into WIFOM there.

I'd like more from Roxy, but nothing's inherently wolfy nor is it certifiably towny Roxy. I'm used to Roxy's big breakdown thoughts, but maybe we aren't there yet?

"Roxy's thoughts on the poll are interesting"

"nothing's inherently wolfy nor is it certifiably towny"

Nothing there. Then he balks at the more voluminous ISOs of S~V~S and Thunal, and I do not judge him for that in any way, that's NAI to me. I get it. He gets back into it the next morning dutifully, so that's a good thing.

His analysis of S~V~S ranges from to 'fair', I'd say.

SVS D1, there's alot to like. The early approach to both Scotty and LC has semblance which I think I like. Not sure why, but I do. Feel like mirrored reads being projected early into/onto teammates isn't something done and if it's an SVS W, Scotty T, LC T there's alot of town cred being given away.

SVS's (and I'm assuming the thread's) votes for Sig is within scope. There was some discussion on Sig's wolf game that was contrary to the vote, BUT there was enough before hand for this to feel like a thought out process rather than a slide back. (side note on Sig's commentary on me after I called them SK: lmao).

SVS joining on the Lime Coke wagon is also fine.

SVS D2 Alot of mech discussion. I'd need to review sprit to see if I agree with it being busy work, but seems like an alright take based on what I've seen. The commentary on Pyx re Roxy I agree with.

SVS I have decent reasons to say is town. If this is W SVS I don't know if I expect the point I made re D1 and mirrored reads between Scotty/LC unless they are a team and again it was toooooooo early for that to be the case out of SVS.

He comes down pretty easy on S~V~S, aligning with most opinions generally. Not sure what to think of "Feel like mirrored reads being projected early into/onto teammates isn't something done and if it's an SVS W, Scotty T, LC T there's alot of town cred being given away," but I don't really get it.

I find the Thunal assessment much easier to follow and believe:

Thunal D1, is a mixed bag. I think there's some 'fire from the hip' that I'm having difficulty reading deeply into.

I like the read on Sig. I don't like the Porscha vote. Porscha 'TMI'ing Scotty is only possible if Thunal is correct in their Scotty read which was early and not really elaborated on, so what's missing here is how can Thunal be just 'correct' on scotty enough to the point to presume TMI. I don't get the Cape townlean.

Thunal D2, the rainbow list, with exception to Porscha, feels like it matches the post count numbers. This reflect's Scotty's take on it being safe, but to Thunal's credit, if the thread feels towny or 'easy' then that's fine.

What I don't like is Thunal collaborating with Pyx in spite of Pyx being PoE and orange. Feels bad, why not just go after PoE?

OMGUS with nut is fine.

Thunal is odd. I really don't like the Porscha interaction and REALLY don't like the Pyx collab this cycle. However, if the game is 'easy' most things are at least within reason (but not the pyx collab request, that urks me. Feels like a scared wolf.)

Maybe Wilgy just needed to get the engines going, but this reads more like thoughtful analysis to me.

Spoiler: show

my catchup notes:

viewtopic.php?p=1128008#p1128008
- Michelle on Cape reading wrong: I read it wrong too and haven't seen game names since I've been gone for ~11 months
- I tr Michelle for picking up this point against Cape
- I don't put it past Cape to post the misreading in place of real solving, or at least to start the day off looking active

viewtopic.php?p=1128018#p1128018
- Cape talking about Wilgy, I don't remember Wilgy doing anything of note on D1, scum Wiggles is a lurker until he needs to run the show from what I remember


I can't say that I've ever played with scum Nutella, that said, her sub entrance seems towny and has effort

DM is in this game???? I thought her post on D1 was in green for off-topic

TSP caring is a good sign

SVS numbers makes no goddamn sense, no offense to SVS. was there a N1 poll that I missed?

viewtopic.phpp=1128205#p1128205
I disagree on Cape being town. I've had scum Cape fool me before. The rest I am cool with, post-catch up. I say this being aware that as TSP said and retracted, this forces a F3-esque situation. To which I say: Bleh.

Sigh this almost always comes from town doesn't it?

I think the poll is 4 town and the one mafia want out is Thunal (probably SVS actually???? but that's just not happening)

If the poll is 4 town, why would mafia worry about *who*?

^ I thought this was a great question.

D1 Falcon gave a readslist

D2 Falcon stuck to the Porscha vote in spite of certain restrictions.

I like this.

In a TownFalcon and WolfWilgy world, Wilgy could consider falcon a viable target for misyeet, as he is not at the top echelon of stated townreads. So this looks all right, unless they're Wolves together.

I'm getting bored of ISOing, I need a break.

Next stuff of note from Wilgy is the "Often when a wagon is 3+ it's only because it's a scum wagon or it has scum on it. At least 1 in the 4 involved are likely wolf" stuff. That kind of thing looks bad to me, trying to force a scumread out of a dubious assertion.

Ok done for now. Some good, some bad, in the Wilgy assessment.

[Thunal33]

My issue with sprityo’s claim is that it’s kind of similar to Lime Coke’s role. The weight system is a way to mark people for endgame. It’s not impossible but I’m skeptical.

It may be a copy of a role from a game this year. Sprit could easily be a Wolf who took a bit of time to look at Indy roles from this year and chose an inoffensive one to fakeclaim at the game's outset. Was this a role from a 2024 game?

If it were chosen at the outset, then lies and frustration about Tony dying would be easy enough to play into. I mean, it would be a crafty ploy, requiring planning and ability. Is Sprityo known for these kinds of schemes at all?

It’s similar to Jack’s role in Napoleon Dynamite iirc. He had to mark players (get them to buy stuff) and have those players make up a majority at endgame.

[S~V~S]

@S~V~S I thought I saw you voting yourself earlier when you were a wagon.Why did you do that?

Yeah, you did.

It was frustration. It was a kinda, "Oh yeah! I'll show them! Let them chop me, then they'll be sorry!".

Except when I thought about it later and embarrassment set in I realized the only person who would be sorry was me

So i got over myself and moved on. The end.

[S~V~S]

Apologies got in a game of rivals

Okay can everyone tell me who they think they are most likely being snowed by/ is the deep wolf

Cape. He wove a web of mech and mesmerized me.

[Cape90]

I get Falcon voting DM. Mathmatically, the odds are that they're town. But who knows if they never post.

I would say mathematically is a weird way of looking at things BUT if someone thought the threadstate was towny, then I could see the monroe vote. However, based on what i just said, I don't think I can agree with falcon's vote given his POV

[S~V~S]

I get Falcon voting DM. Mathmatically, the odds are that they're town. But who knows if they never post.

I would say mathematically is a weird way of looking at things BUT if someone thought the threadstate was towny, then I could see the monroe vote. However, based on what i just said, I don't think I can agree with falcon's vote given his POV

I don't agree with it, but I understand the sentiment.

And by "mathematically" I mean if there are 17 players, and say five are bad/3p, then you have a 3:1 chance of being not bad/3P. So just throwing a dart at a list of the players, you're more likely to hit on a towny player. So while I understand the low/no post frustration, voting DM is like thrpwing that dart.

[Cape90]

Psst it's cause svs be woofin

Yeah I've kind of talked myself into that

[VOTE: SVS] aubergine

This is a surprise. Abbi always misreads me, last game I played with her I was wolf, and she said I was so towny she’d die for me. When I’m town she always thinks I’m bad. Generally I ignore it. But this is intriguing.

So I’ve done what my role was set up to do. If I die, I die.

I’ll be back after work, about 6ish eastern.

you don't see how an experience like that would just make a person more paranoid of you?

I 100% I do, I'm embarrassed and should have known better, especially after the earlier "you always tunnel me" stuff going on earlier in this game. I got too frustrated too easily, and acted like an ass. The very thing, as a game mod, I counsel others against. So yeah. I apologize to the host and the whole game.

Gonna catch up and vote, and put that list off till I have more time.

Abigail throws mud at the wall to see what sticks.
This can be town with free flowing mind or a wolf who wants thread's answer for various suspicions she is pointing out.

Being the shade she threw at me twice with the vote who didn't have a long life, the fact she is not consecvent with a read until she receives an answer from the voted player (I did nothing to deserve a change on vote, it was Porscha who said that's not the direction, but that looks like a reactive play) makes me wary about her intentions.

I need a sanity check.

Okay, then what are abbi's intentions? Abbi swapped votes from SVS to nutella, what does this mean for SVS? If this swap is in bad faith, does this just make nutella town? Why are you on nutella then?

[Long Con]

It's not just a dart though, it's that the later in the game a total unknown is present, the worse. Culminating in a F3 that really really ain't great.