WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[Duelist Mirage]

What exactly is the "nuance" here?

Being able to shamelessly exist in the state where Epi's posting does not seem good but also pushing him for it does not seem good, because his alignment is unknown

Isn't everyone's alignment unknown?

BEEP. BEEP. BEEP. BEEP.

Oh! Oh my. One moment, please. The Perspective Discrepancy Module has never actually done that before.

"Because his alignment is unknown."

Interesting choice of words, Duelist. Unknown to whom, exactly? From a Town perspective, everyone's alignment is unknown. But you seem to be separating Epi into a particular category of player whose alignment you don't know.

[VOTE: duelist] aubergine

This is a good post

No, it's an absolutely ridiculous post and I kinda expect better analysis from you if you're town for sone reason

Nah, I should've been in bed an hour ago.

Why do you expect better?

I think LC highlights the issue with the post quite well. 'Because his alignment is unknown' should be the default state for T, not the highlighted reason. I think there's just enough weird stuff in what I've seen to warrant why you're being voted for.

You're making no sense, no shit does not knowing alignment be the default state for town, it's literally why I'm explaining why it's towny of Scotty to say that

[Scotty]

Michelle's use of the phrase "late to the party" is noteworthy as the only other time she has said that was earlier this year in GoC where she was mafia: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 0#p1165130

So yeah, maybe. That could be a tell. Other than that it looks like she was only able to be here for about 15 minutes.

Beautiful. Stunning. Exquisite. Forum mafia in it's purist form.

Mac 3p?

I don’t like you immediately labeling Mac as 3p in a game that may not even have 3p’s.

Trekkie still on my wolf list

[Scotty]

I think Epi is a miss, strictly because I don’t trust Mac who is currently voting there, and he is not a worthwhile flip at this juncture

That's a pretty poor reason to make such a strong read. The entire logic falls over from simply being wrong about me which you are.

Surely it makes more sense to develop good reasons independent of things that could easily be blind spots?

We are all slaves to the grind in one way or another

[Scotty]

im shielding mac trekkie and long con for the time being

dubz and porscha are probably just mafia because they are mafia


ok gn

I have 2 wolves on your shield list, what gives.

I can get behind a Porscha vote tho

Dubs I have no read on.

[DrWilgy]

Being able to shamelessly exist in the state where Epi's posting does not seem good but also pushing him for it does not seem good, because his alignment is unknown

Isn't everyone's alignment unknown?

BEEP. BEEP. BEEP. BEEP.

Oh! Oh my. One moment, please. The Perspective Discrepancy Module has never actually done that before.

"Because his alignment is unknown."

Interesting choice of words, Duelist. Unknown to whom, exactly? From a Town perspective, everyone's alignment is unknown. But you seem to be separating Epi into a particular category of player whose alignment you don't know.

[VOTE: duelist] aubergine

This is a good post

No, it's an absolutely ridiculous post and I kinda expect better analysis from you if you're town for sone reason

Nah, I should've been in bed an hour ago.

Why do you expect better?

I think LC highlights the issue with the post quite well. 'Because his alignment is unknown' should be the default state for T, not the highlighted reason. I think there's just enough weird stuff in what I've seen to warrant why you're being voted for.

You're making no sense, no shit does not knowing alignment be the default state for town, it's literally why I'm explaining why it's towny of Scotty to say that

Is this a structure issue? Something like: 'because to T Scotty, Epi's alignment is unknown' would've taken that statement way farther. I think I read it the same way LC did where it almost seemed as if YOU were reminding yourself that Epi's alignment SHOULD be unknown and thus this is a good reason to drop a tr on Scotty.

[DrWilgy]

Nicole's ISO is very meh.

[DrWilgy]

What stood out to me is that Nicole seemed to argue the same post I disliked here:

sorry i wont really be available to play until tomorrow (real-life time). the mafia better start quaking in their boots bcuz once im free it's gonna be sooooo over for them

Admittedly, this post doesn't look good either. Just say you'll be unavailable, no need to LARP about how the wolves would totally be destroyed right now if you were around

Disagree, that kind of statement is +town

Its neutral but I don't feel great about leetic going after it.

I don't like that there's VERY little reasoning in the ISO. What reasoning there is is flimsy and had to be coerced by other players.

[DrWilgy]

Yuck, the voters on Nicole's wagon have too many posts for me to skim there and get a vibe.

[Scotty]

We've arrived at our next stop.

Scotty is at least better than Rondo/Pyx/Epi.

Scotty is at least better than Rondo/Pyx/Epi.

Check it out. This could be my next signature

[DrWilgy]

[VOTE: Nicole] aubergine

This is fine.

I'm going to sleep. Will probably regret not voting Rondo here, but at least Nicole seems to have tension with both Leetic and DM.

Now departing. Please clear the doors.

[Scotty]

We've arrived at our next stop.

Scotty is at least better than Rondo/Pyx/Epi.

Also what makes me better than them? (Even tho I’m biased lol)

[Scotty]

There's a bit of stuff that irritates me about Scotty overall like the easy mark comment or the way he went about quoting Epignosis without really doing much about him. Nothing strong, as to be expected.
Rondo's more yeetable than leetic to me atm.
Trekkie voting Dubz after her pileup on leetic doesn't really tell me much about it.

I very much suspect Scotty was trying to get a rise out of me, but I have electro-pills that help with my rise.

You should know I don’t play to get a rise out of people

People are going to cross the street, I’m just here to observe

And change the lights suddenly on those not paying attention.

[DrWilgy]

We've arrived at our next stop.

Scotty is at least better than Rondo/Pyx/Epi.

Also what makes me better than them? (Even tho I’m biased lol)

You have legible takes.

The bar was very low.

[Duelist Mirage]

Is this a structure issue? Something like: 'because to T Scotty, Epi's alignment is unknown' would've taken that statement way farther. I think I read it the same way LC did where it almost seemed as if YOU were reminding yourself that Epi's alignment SHOULD be unknown and thus this is a good reason to drop a tr on Scotty.

*blank stare* idk what you're on about and I don't even think it's because of the 6oz of alcohol I've recently consumed

I townread Scotty for plenty of things totally unrelated to this and only elaborated on this because I was asked, and really most of my point in that post was pointing out that leetic was making a bad nitpicky argument and that's wolfy whereas Scotty was towny. Did everyone miss THAT aspect of what I was saying?

I was about to complain about how opportunistic Wilgy is being, showing up at this late hour and shading me when I said not to expect me around at deadline but idk I'm just not actually feeling it, bad as this interaction is

[Scotty]

Please be aware, we will not be stopping at Long Con.

LC is currently top TR.

Note this is not an error in spite of it being weird.

Hello fello Ōedo

Your mystery shield here feels towny. I will not ask why. Maybe by the time your train comes back this direction

[DrWilgy]

Is this a structure issue? Something like: 'because to T Scotty, Epi's alignment is unknown' would've taken that statement way farther. I think I read it the same way LC did where it almost seemed as if YOU were reminding yourself that Epi's alignment SHOULD be unknown and thus this is a good reason to drop a tr on Scotty.

*blank stare* idk what you're on about and I don't even think it's because of the 6oz of alcohol I've recently consumed

I townread Scotty for plenty of things totally unrelated to this and only elaborated on this because I was asked, and really most of my point in that post was pointing out that leetic was making a bad nitpicky argument and that's wolfy whereas Scotty was towny. Did everyone miss THAT aspect of what I was saying?

I was about to complain about how opportunistic Wilgy is being, showing up at this late hour and shading me when I said not to expect me around at deadline but idk I'm just not actually feeling it, bad as this interaction is

Yes.

Again, I think it's because of how you structured your argument. It didn't seem as if you were saying 'T Scotty could see both epi having bad posts AND leetic pushing there as bad because T Scotty wouldn't know Epi's alignment.' it read as 'Scotty seeing both epi and you as bad and voting there is towny. Epi's alignment is unknown.'

[Scotty]

Ok I’ve had a strange blind side to Nicole so far. Going through her iso reveals she is on her phone just idly crossing the street.

well I think I'm down to just trusting vivax, scotty and tranq

honestly want to townread duelist but her multiball point + approach to me felt jumpy yesterday so I'm backing off from townreading her for now

her leetic vote seems fine tho

nutella is finding her footing still which is pair of the course for her towngame but its early and she becomes obvious later on so im holding onto that

still not really feeling nicole, i guess her leetic sus is okay but she is reminding me a bit of an old scumgame of hers

game too large and i dont have many townreads

push comes to shove im sheeping scotty and maybe nutella if i feel good abt it

DM feels super town imo.
I super get the antsiness over the anticlaim stuff and this is town!DM besides it

I would even contend this is her most content-filled post and if she flips wolf, I’m down to fully clear DM because of it (unless this is multiball)

[VOTE: Nicole] aubergine

[Scotty]

Vote count with 2.5 hours to go in D1:

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dubz
1
5%
Voters: Trekkie99
Duelist Mirage
3
14%
Voters: Michelle, Long Con, Epignosis
Epignosis
1
5%
Voters: jess
Gims
0
No votes
Voters: None
GoSpursGo
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jess
0
No votes
Voters: None
leetic
2
10%
Voters: Dubz, gims
Long Con
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NicoleandDime
5
24%
Voters: Vivax, nutella, GoSpursGo, DrWilgy, Scotty
Nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
1
5%
Voters: MacDougall
Pyxxy
0
No votes
Voters: None
RondoDimBuckle
2
10%
Voters: pyxxy, Duelist Mirage
Scotty
1
5%
Voters: leetic
Tranq
0
No votes
Voters: None
Trekkie99
0
No votes
Voters: None
Vivax
1
5%
Voters: NicoleAndDime

[Duelist Mirage]

Are you saying that if the post said "Being able to shamelessly exist in the state where Epi's posting does not seem good but also pushing him for it does not seem good, because his alignment is unknown to Scotty" it would read totally different to you

that's a ridiculous way to try to sort, 99% of "scumslips" are differences in grammar and I am not a stickler for perfectly formed sentences either, and I make broad confident statements all the time

[Duelist Mirage]

Ok I’ve had a strange blind side to Nicole so far. Going through her iso reveals she is on her phone just idly crossing the street.

well I think I'm down to just trusting vivax, scotty and tranq

honestly want to townread duelist but her multiball point + approach to me felt jumpy yesterday so I'm backing off from townreading her for now

her leetic vote seems fine tho

nutella is finding her footing still which is pair of the course for her towngame but its early and she becomes obvious later on so im holding onto that

still not really feeling nicole, i guess her leetic sus is okay but she is reminding me a bit of an old scumgame of hers

game too large and i dont have many townreads

push comes to shove im sheeping scotty and maybe nutella if i feel good abt it

DM feels super town imo.
I super get the antsiness over the anticlaim stuff and this is town!DM besides it

I would even contend this is her most content-filled post and if she flips wolf, I’m down to fully clear DM because of it (unless this is multiball)

[VOTE: Nicole] aubergine

It did occur to me that it was pockety because I don't recall her ever really having an opinion on me previously in other games but like, I don't particularly think there's anything off about her posting otherwise, her attitude seems sorta nonchalantly towny? She had more substance in some other games true, but she also had some OP roles where she could just casually drop helpful info from her role and be towny from that. Obviously that doesn't work this game.

[Scotty]

Ok I’ve had a strange blind side to Nicole so far. Going through her iso reveals she is on her phone just idly crossing the street.

well I think I'm down to just trusting vivax, scotty and tranq

honestly want to townread duelist but her multiball point + approach to me felt jumpy yesterday so I'm backing off from townreading her for now

her leetic vote seems fine tho

nutella is finding her footing still which is pair of the course for her towngame but its early and she becomes obvious later on so im holding onto that

still not really feeling nicole, i guess her leetic sus is okay but she is reminding me a bit of an old scumgame of hers

game too large and i dont have many townreads

push comes to shove im sheeping scotty and maybe nutella if i feel good abt it

DM feels super town imo.
I super get the antsiness over the anticlaim stuff and this is town!DM besides it

I would even contend this is her most content-filled post and if she flips wolf, I’m down to fully clear DM because of it (unless this is multiball)

[VOTE: Nicole] aubergine

It did occur to me that it was pockety because I don't recall her ever really having an opinion on me previously in other games but like, I don't particularly think there's anything off about her posting otherwise, her attitude seems sorta nonchalantly towny? She had more substance in some other games true, but she also had some OP roles where she could just casually drop helpful info from her role and be towny from that. Obviously that doesn't work this game.

My feeling is that her posts have no bite and in fact are probably toothless. An 88-year-old kindly geezer that secretly belonged to the Yakuza 40 years ago

[gims]

[VOTE: nicole] aubergine

[jess]

im about to pass out but i dont know if i really care to move my vote. gl i believe in all of us

[leetic]

And yeah GoSpursGo's reasons for voting me don't look great. Don't want to continue too much on this train of thought since I know it's an easy way to get confbiased but the last time I played a game here like half the wolves outed themselves by going after me for no reason

When was the last time you rolled wolf? I want to look it up

I believe it's this game https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/ice-cr ... tory/12809

Damn, it’s been a year?

Also just looking at this game is…SUCH a different feel than any game I’ve seen of yours. It looks objectively wolfy in a way I can’t quite describe.

Willing to let you simmer on the pavement today. Could just be town, if I’m comparing wolf games 1:1. Which I obv shouldn’t. But there are other pedestrians in the sea

Think I've only played two other games this year

[leetic]

I don't hate the Nicole wagon but I'm always wary of wagons that get so far ahead of all the others so early into the game

[Scotty]

I don't hate the Nicole wagon but I'm always wary of wagons that get so far ahead of all the others so early into the game

To be fair, this wagon had only now reached a majority a few hours ago, and the day is almost over…so

[gims]

I think I Trust enough townies that im fine letting many people flip

Wrt Nicole I just never felt her this game and generally im one of the few ppl townreading her when that isnt obvious to anyone else

[leetic]

I'm not really feeling the two "counterwagons" all that much either. Rondo just has too little posts for me to care much about that slot. Mainly switching to [VOTE: Duelist Mirage] aubergine because of their vote history having an opportunistic vote on me then switching to another popular wagon (Rondo) that was unlikely to defend themselves but I'll have to dig deeper

[leetic]

I also think it's typically better to have an actual counterwagon regardless since if there's only one real wagon and they flip town there's not really a lot we can get from VCA

[leetic]

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

I suppose it's possible that Epi does actually need pressure to do things that could be readable

I don't know how the hell we're actually supposed to do that with the short deadlines here though

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Here we go again?

I think Epi is a miss, strictly because I don’t trust Mac who is currently voting there, and he is not a worthwhile flip at this juncture

I don't really disagree (other than maybe about Mac? it was the early Vivax townread that I liked from him, I checked)

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

It's gotta work someday?

This is one of the vote progressions of all time

[Scotty]

I'm not really feeling the two "counterwagons" all that much either. Rondo just has too little posts for me to care much about that slot. Mainly switching to [VOTE: Duelist Mirage] aubergine because of their vote history having an opportunistic vote on me then switching to another popular wagon (Rondo) that was unlikely to defend themselves but I'll have to dig deeper

Rondo would be far less wolfy if he didn’t instantly qualify for the prize and then dip. Thats like stopping to take a picture in the middle of the intersection during AO- disgraceful.

AO MEANS WALK, NOT STOP

[Tranq]

@RondoDimBuckle will you be here around EOD?

I'm still a couple of pages behind. Definately not voting Duelist Mirage though.

WHAT?

Why not?

I think she's town. Definately the towniest sounding one out of the 3 main wagons.

[Tranq]

[VOTE: NicoleandDime] aubergine

[leetic]

@RondoDimBuckle will you be here around EOD?

I'm still a couple of pages behind. Definately not voting Duelist Mirage though.

WHAT?

Why not?

I think she's town. Definately the towniest sounding one out of the 3 main wagons.

What exactly sounds so towny about them?

[leetic]

Anyway, it's 5 AM in my timezone, no reason why I should be up this late but my sleep schedule is fucked anyway. Hope y'all are right

[RondoDimBuckle]

Huh can anyone explain today for me in a tldr?

[Tranq]

TLDR: Rondo you got priested. You are MAFIA.

[RondoDimBuckle]

TLDR: Rondo you got priested. You are MAFIA.

Nice, but people know i targeted myself right? They have to respect my big brain play in outing myself mechanically

[Tranq]

Real TLDR: This morning DM, Nicole and you were tied at 3 votes each.

[RondoDimBuckle]

Is the nichol stuff just a stacks on? I checked her iso and i dont see it. But i also dont not see it. I expected someone voting me to be the elim today. But maybe thats my own hubris

[Duelist Mirage]

I'm not really feeling the two "counterwagons" all that much either. Rondo just has too little posts for me to care much about that slot. Mainly switching to [VOTE: Duelist Mirage] aubergine because of their vote history having an opportunistic vote on me then switching to another popular wagon (Rondo) that was unlikely to defend themselves but I'll have to dig deeper

Wow it's so similar to what the mafia vig said last game after shooting me for daring to move my vote around onto her at EoD1

Even still getting foolishly voted by the same two who helped enable it there

*ponders*

[RondoDimBuckle]

Dm if you werent voting for me who would you prefer and why is it leetic?

[Duelist Mirage]

lol

It's 3am I shouldn't even be here, and nothing in particular happened while I slept to give me a stronger feeling of where to vote even though it's like just vanity now

[Duelist Mirage]

[VOTE: dubz] aubergine y not I'm opportunistic

[Golden]

Day 1 has ended.

NicoleandDime has died.

Their affiliation was:

Spoiler: show

MAFIA

Their role was:

Spoiler: show

Politician - You are only able to die via day poll if you receive a plurality (but not an outright majority) of all votes cast.

It is now Night One. The thread is unlocked. You have ~22 hours to get in your night actions, because it's daylight savings for me overnight and I can't quite work out how that's going to screw with timezones yet.

[Golden]

DrWilgy
Voters: None

Dubz
Voters: Duelist Mirage, Trekkie99

Duelist Mirage
Voters: Michelle, Long Con, leetic, Epignosis

Epignosis
Voters: jess

Gims
Voters: None

GoSpursGo
Voters: None

Jess
Voters: None

leetic
Voters: Dubz

Long Con
Voters: None

MacDougall
Voters: None

Michelle
Voters: None

NicoleandDime
Voters: Vivax, nutella, GoSpursGo, gims, DrWilgy, Scotty, Tranq

Nutella
Voters: None

Porscha
Voters: MacDougall

Pyxxy
Voters: None

RondoDimBuckle
Voters: pyxxy

Scotty
Voters: None

Tranq
Voters: None

Trekkie99
Voters: None

Vivax
Voters: NicoleAndDime

[Golden]

Players who met the prize roleplay threshold are:

Long Con
nutella
Duelist Mirage
GoSpursGo
pyxxy
Jess
Scotty
tranq
rondo
Epi
DrWilgy

The player with the extra entry for the post that made me laugh most is tranq for this:

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 4#p1193524

It's not merely the origami, but the proof of life shot against the post it was made to respond to.

Winner of the prize will be privately notified that they have won, and what the prize is.

[RondoDimBuckle]

It is now Night One. The thread is unlocked.

oh lmao, its open nights. Well. fuck me nice work town. That was awesome. I wish for a gun

[GoSpursGo]

gims town

we're towncoring here, friends, hop on!

No

Actual mafia probably

LOL me

Will need to go back and figure out who in addition to Nutella is obviously cleared after this. But nice job everyone

[Long Con]

Nice!!