WORLD TOUR MAFIA II: JAPAN [DAY FIVE]

[MacDougall]

What's your Poe @leetic ?

I suppose the people I have as town right now would be you (obviously) plus nutella, gims, Scotty, maybe Tranq as well? That'd make the rest PoE. Haven't had too much time to deeply sort everyone so I suppose I've been focusing more on the controversial players

@nutella is this salad?

Lmao.

[MacDougall]

I dunno how leetic could have such a small town pool tbh. I consider him outed. Good day.

[GoSpursGo]

my gut is telling me that Epignosis should proly be scrutinized more heavily coming into tomorrow ftr

Agree.

[jess]

POE strikelist thing if im insanely charitable to everybody

DrWilgy - I think pretty much only voted scum
Dubz - somewhat good posting after d1
Duelist Mirage - too much energy to be scum
Epignosis - weird posting
Gims - its a me
GoSpursGo - virtual innocent townie
Jess - very towny when around
leetic - sheeping spurs' homework
Long Con - dived
MacDougall - other people townread him, I have no idea
Michelle - IC
Nutella - pushed scum
Porscha - pushed scum
Pyxxy - widening the POE and following a scum agenda
RondoDimBuckle - too excited with the game to be mafia
Scotty - pushed scum
Tranq - claimed town

I think im solidly still here @jess so ye agreed with your townreads

i would say that we're broadly in alignment!

i dont have much clarity on wilgys alignment myself & have mostly just been sheeping the thread consensus but i feel fine trusting that other folks know how to read him better, and if pyxyy is a wolf then i reasons to believe that he is unpartnered with with them

i think dubz looks good for being one of the most prominent pushers on long con/she had a pretty towny string of posting during the last dayphase

duelist mirage feels very very towny to me in the last few pages specifically with A. her paranoia about leetic and B. her involvement in the mechanical discussion and i also think that she looks unpaired from long con

you (gims) just seem like obviously town to me for a bunch of reasons idk why i have like basically no paranoia about you

gospursgo also seems like really obviously town and i just believe he's trying to solve the puzzle

i think that i do still lean on leetic being town both because of the nicole spew but also bcuz im not sure i perceive his approach to the end of the day yesterday making a lot of sense in a world where he's mafia with long con? just doesnt feel totally right to me

mac is probably town??? because of his string of posting toward the end of the day 2 days ago and bcuz of the way trekkie interacted with him, but i am suffering from the recency bias thing where the lack of posting from him has made me more paranoid lol

michelle is conifirmed town

nutella is like 100% town it would be crazy to me if she's mafia

porscha might not have interactions that are as straightforwardly clearing as other players here but i generally just think her conviction/town entitlement is stemming from a real place, and same w/the conviction & internal consistency of her defense toward rondo

i wouldnt say im that confident about pyxy being a wolf bcuz my read on him is more based on an absence of towniness more than me finding him super suspicious but i think he could be a wolf specifically bcuz of that absence

i thought rondo was wolfy bcuz of his treatment of me on d2 but i think i was projecting too much about how i expect villagers to interact with me, i think he's gotten townier today specifically/he feels pure to me

i like that scotty has consistently been one of the voices driving the game forward and i generally believe that his solving is coming from a real place too

i also think tranq's vote on long con at the end of the day yesterday was really town for him.

[MacDougall]

If it's still a tie one hour from now, i'm switching to LC. A tie should be avoided in case one of them is Athlete.

I think this is clearing for Tranq.

Put simply I don't think he would just brazenly be like "I am doing this in case LC is athlete" and then it be true. That just feels implausible.

[jess]

but ngl i think i have too many townreads lmao cause basically the only person i dont have a reason to call town is specifically pyxy

[jess]

i think that duelist mirage/gims/spurs/michelle/nutellaporscha/scotty are probably the townreads i hold the most confidently, and then there's room for me misclearing a name or two outside of that

[MacDougall]

POE strikelist thing if im insanely charitable to everybody

DrWilgy - I think pretty much only voted scum
Dubz - somewhat good posting after d1
Duelist Mirage - too much energy to be scum
Epignosis - weird posting
Gims - its a me
GoSpursGo - virtual innocent townie
Jess - very towny when around
leetic - sheeping spurs' homework
Long Con - dived
MacDougall - other people townread him, I have no idea
Michelle - IC
Nutella - pushed scum
Porscha - pushed scum
Pyxxy - widening the POE and following a scum agenda
RondoDimBuckle - too excited with the game to be mafia
Scotty - pushed scum
Tranq - claimed town

I think im solidly still here @jess so ye agreed with your townreads

i would say that we're broadly in alignment!

i dont have much clarity on wilgys alignment myself & have mostly just been sheeping the thread consensus but i feel fine trusting that other folks know how to read him better, and if pyxyy is a wolf then i reasons to believe that he is unpartnered with with them

i think dubz looks good for being one of the most prominent pushers on long con/she had a pretty towny string of posting during the last dayphase

duelist mirage feels very very towny to me in the last few pages specifically with A. her paranoia about leetic and B. her involvement in the mechanical discussion and i also think that she looks unpaired from long con

you (gims) just seem like obviously town to me for a bunch of reasons idk why i have like basically no paranoia about you

gospursgo also seems like really obviously town and i just believe he's trying to solve the puzzle

i think that i do still lean on leetic being town both because of the nicole spew but also bcuz im not sure i perceive his approach to the end of the day yesterday making a lot of sense in a world where he's mafia with long con? just doesnt feel totally right to me

mac is probably town??? because of his string of posting toward the end of the day 2 days ago and bcuz of the way trekkie interacted with him, but i am suffering from the recency bias thing where the lack of posting from him has made me more paranoid lol

michelle is conifirmed town

nutella is like 100% town it would be crazy to me if she's mafia

porscha might not have interactions that are as straightforwardly clearing as other players here but i generally just think her conviction/town entitlement is stemming from a real place, and same w/the conviction & internal consistency of her defense toward rondo

i wouldnt say im that confident about pyxy being a wolf bcuz my read on him is more based on an absence of towniness more than me finding him super suspicious but i think he could be a wolf specifically bcuz of that absence

i thought rondo was wolfy bcuz of his treatment of me on d2 but i think i was projecting too much about how i expect villagers to interact with me, i think he's gotten townier today specifically/he feels pure to me

i like that scotty has consistently been one of the voices driving the game forward and i generally believe that his solving is coming from a real place too

i also think tranq's vote on long con at the end of the day yesterday was really town for him.

I joke voted for my wolf partner LC and dipped on day 3 when our team is drowning because...

[nutella]

What's your Poe @leetic ?

I suppose the people I have as town right now would be you (obviously) plus nutella, gims, Scotty, maybe Tranq as well? That'd make the rest PoE. Haven't had too much time to deeply sort everyone so I suppose I've been focusing more on the controversial players

@nutella is this salad?

Lmao.

adjacent

[jess]

POE strikelist thing if im insanely charitable to everybody

DrWilgy - I think pretty much only voted scum
Dubz - somewhat good posting after d1
Duelist Mirage - too much energy to be scum
Epignosis - weird posting
Gims - its a me
GoSpursGo - virtual innocent townie
Jess - very towny when around
leetic - sheeping spurs' homework
Long Con - dived
MacDougall - other people townread him, I have no idea
Michelle - IC
Nutella - pushed scum
Porscha - pushed scum
Pyxxy - widening the POE and following a scum agenda
RondoDimBuckle - too excited with the game to be mafia
Scotty - pushed scum
Tranq - claimed town

I think im solidly still here @jess so ye agreed with your townreads

i would say that we're broadly in alignment!

i dont have much clarity on wilgys alignment myself & have mostly just been sheeping the thread consensus but i feel fine trusting that other folks know how to read him better, and if pyxyy is a wolf then i reasons to believe that he is unpartnered with with them

i think dubz looks good for being one of the most prominent pushers on long con/she had a pretty towny string of posting during the last dayphase

duelist mirage feels very very towny to me in the last few pages specifically with A. her paranoia about leetic and B. her involvement in the mechanical discussion and i also think that she looks unpaired from long con

you (gims) just seem like obviously town to me for a bunch of reasons idk why i have like basically no paranoia about you

gospursgo also seems like really obviously town and i just believe he's trying to solve the puzzle

i think that i do still lean on leetic being town both because of the nicole spew but also bcuz im not sure i perceive his approach to the end of the day yesterday making a lot of sense in a world where he's mafia with long con? just doesnt feel totally right to me

mac is probably town??? because of his string of posting toward the end of the day 2 days ago and bcuz of the way trekkie interacted with him, but i am suffering from the recency bias thing where the lack of posting from him has made me more paranoid lol

michelle is conifirmed town

nutella is like 100% town it would be crazy to me if she's mafia

porscha might not have interactions that are as straightforwardly clearing as other players here but i generally just think her conviction/town entitlement is stemming from a real place, and same w/the conviction & internal consistency of her defense toward rondo

i wouldnt say im that confident about pyxy being a wolf bcuz my read on him is more based on an absence of towniness more than me finding him super suspicious but i think he could be a wolf specifically bcuz of that absence

i thought rondo was wolfy bcuz of his treatment of me on d2 but i think i was projecting too much about how i expect villagers to interact with me, i think he's gotten townier today specifically/he feels pure to me

i like that scotty has consistently been one of the voices driving the game forward and i generally believe that his solving is coming from a real place too

i also think tranq's vote on long con at the end of the day yesterday was really town for him.

I joke voted for my wolf partner LC and dipped on day 3 when our team is drowning because...

im not even calling u a wolf

[MacDougall]

but ngl i think i have too many townreads lmao cause basically the only person i dont have a reason to call town is specifically pyxy

Yeah see how you have a too many townreads issue meanwhile leetic struggles to muster 4.

That's cuz he isn't actually solving as town he is clinging to a life raft as mafia.

[jess]

i am probably incorrectly townreading someone though but im also not that worried about it

[MacDougall]

POE strikelist thing if im insanely charitable to everybody

DrWilgy - I think pretty much only voted scum
Dubz - somewhat good posting after d1
Duelist Mirage - too much energy to be scum
Epignosis - weird posting
Gims - its a me
GoSpursGo - virtual innocent townie
Jess - very towny when around
leetic - sheeping spurs' homework
Long Con - dived
MacDougall - other people townread him, I have no idea
Michelle - IC
Nutella - pushed scum
Porscha - pushed scum
Pyxxy - widening the POE and following a scum agenda
RondoDimBuckle - too excited with the game to be mafia
Scotty - pushed scum
Tranq - claimed town

I think im solidly still here @jess so ye agreed with your townreads

i would say that we're broadly in alignment!

i dont have much clarity on wilgys alignment myself & have mostly just been sheeping the thread consensus but i feel fine trusting that other folks know how to read him better, and if pyxyy is a wolf then i reasons to believe that he is unpartnered with with them

i think dubz looks good for being one of the most prominent pushers on long con/she had a pretty towny string of posting during the last dayphase

duelist mirage feels very very towny to me in the last few pages specifically with A. her paranoia about leetic and B. her involvement in the mechanical discussion and i also think that she looks unpaired from long con

you (gims) just seem like obviously town to me for a bunch of reasons idk why i have like basically no paranoia about you

gospursgo also seems like really obviously town and i just believe he's trying to solve the puzzle

i think that i do still lean on leetic being town both because of the nicole spew but also bcuz im not sure i perceive his approach to the end of the day yesterday making a lot of sense in a world where he's mafia with long con? just doesnt feel totally right to me

mac is probably town??? because of his string of posting toward the end of the day 2 days ago and bcuz of the way trekkie interacted with him, but i am suffering from the recency bias thing where the lack of posting from him has made me more paranoid lol

michelle is conifirmed town

nutella is like 100% town it would be crazy to me if she's mafia

porscha might not have interactions that are as straightforwardly clearing as other players here but i generally just think her conviction/town entitlement is stemming from a real place, and same w/the conviction & internal consistency of her defense toward rondo

i wouldnt say im that confident about pyxy being a wolf bcuz my read on him is more based on an absence of towniness more than me finding him super suspicious but i think he could be a wolf specifically bcuz of that absence

i thought rondo was wolfy bcuz of his treatment of me on d2 but i think i was projecting too much about how i expect villagers to interact with me, i think he's gotten townier today specifically/he feels pure to me

i like that scotty has consistently been one of the voices driving the game forward and i generally believe that his solving is coming from a real place too

i also think tranq's vote on long con at the end of the day yesterday was really town for him.

I joke voted for my wolf partner LC and dipped on day 3 when our team is drowning because...

im not even calling u a wolf

No I know I am asking you to complete the sentence.

[GoSpursGo]

Yay one more red flip!

What's the Poe again??
Do we think Pyxxy is clear in any way

I dont think most people are "clear" but i dont really see how pyxxy is more likely wolf than like. leetic or a good tranq bus? or epi? or wilgy?

idk i'm not doing a good job keeping track of who has what town points for why. especially with wagons

I do only think wilgy is more likely town than wolf cuz while wilgy can and will bus, it's usually used to get him deeper

and he's done absolutely fucking nothing lol so unless he's just physically unable to play after attempting to get credit early, he's probably town?

kinda just confused on the pyxxy mania

Can you give me your scum case on leetic and tranq?

i'm gonna be honest I dont have "scum cases" on either of them, I dont remember ... most of tranq's posts which is my fault, but I do think his push on michelle was pretty lame (sorry if town push lol but it's an unconvincing argument that requires more effort than should be put in for the result it gives, and the result should not have given him that much confidence to push it more than once, which iirc he kinda did even after michelle rightfully called him out for pushing her for something generally NAI)

leetic is just . like. idk I generally find him scummy all the time and I know he's busy and all but it seems like less solving than... barely scraping by each day as the not elim? and someone could argue that since each day has flipped a wolf that maybe it makes him town, I dunno. I feel like as in so far the wolves have had very little agency and it's entirely plausible he's getting traction with other wolves, but I also think that more cuz I feel like he's barely solving

like he DID in fact just vote pyxxy over long con which. I dunno. surely you just... bus there? but maybe not if pyxxy is town and viable as a potential go over. idk. just have a hard time seeing his posts as towny and then everything else around him is entirely unclearing I suppose

game is in a weird spot where it's hard to tell if bus would or would not be happening at this point

While tranq was very late to all 3 wolf wagons, the fact that he did indeed get there on all 3 is a good look that I can’t easily ignore. But if you want to knock him down a rung or two in the reads list that’s fine.

I don’t disagree with your leetic take

[Porscha]

You can't assume anyone would use a role like you just now have decided is the optimal way

I would assume it's been used, if I had to make an assumption, because people like using their role and not sitting on it!

what?

my 2 cents is that gims should learn how to take a hint and also gims just put your pride away and acknowledge the jedi role may have already been used even if you think it's stupid that it would have been

[jess]

POE strikelist thing if im insanely charitable to everybody

DrWilgy - I think pretty much only voted scum
Dubz - somewhat good posting after d1
Duelist Mirage - too much energy to be scum
Epignosis - weird posting
Gims - its a me
GoSpursGo - virtual innocent townie
Jess - very towny when around
leetic - sheeping spurs' homework
Long Con - dived
MacDougall - other people townread him, I have no idea
Michelle - IC
Nutella - pushed scum
Porscha - pushed scum
Pyxxy - widening the POE and following a scum agenda
RondoDimBuckle - too excited with the game to be mafia
Scotty - pushed scum
Tranq - claimed town

I think im solidly still here @jess so ye agreed with your townreads

i would say that we're broadly in alignment!

i dont have much clarity on wilgys alignment myself & have mostly just been sheeping the thread consensus but i feel fine trusting that other folks know how to read him better, and if pyxyy is a wolf then i reasons to believe that he is unpartnered with with them

i think dubz looks good for being one of the most prominent pushers on long con/she had a pretty towny string of posting during the last dayphase

duelist mirage feels very very towny to me in the last few pages specifically with A. her paranoia about leetic and B. her involvement in the mechanical discussion and i also think that she looks unpaired from long con

you (gims) just seem like obviously town to me for a bunch of reasons idk why i have like basically no paranoia about you

gospursgo also seems like really obviously town and i just believe he's trying to solve the puzzle

i think that i do still lean on leetic being town both because of the nicole spew but also bcuz im not sure i perceive his approach to the end of the day yesterday making a lot of sense in a world where he's mafia with long con? just doesnt feel totally right to me

mac is probably town??? because of his string of posting toward the end of the day 2 days ago and bcuz of the way trekkie interacted with him, but i am suffering from the recency bias thing where the lack of posting from him has made me more paranoid lol

michelle is conifirmed town

nutella is like 100% town it would be crazy to me if she's mafia

porscha might not have interactions that are as straightforwardly clearing as other players here but i generally just think her conviction/town entitlement is stemming from a real place, and same w/the conviction & internal consistency of her defense toward rondo

i wouldnt say im that confident about pyxy being a wolf bcuz my read on him is more based on an absence of towniness more than me finding him super suspicious but i think he could be a wolf specifically bcuz of that absence

i thought rondo was wolfy bcuz of his treatment of me on d2 but i think i was projecting too much about how i expect villagers to interact with me, i think he's gotten townier today specifically/he feels pure to me

i like that scotty has consistently been one of the voices driving the game forward and i generally believe that his solving is coming from a real place too

i also think tranq's vote on long con at the end of the day yesterday was really town for him.

I joke voted for my wolf partner LC and dipped on day 3 when our team is drowning because...

im not even calling u a wolf

No I know I am asking you to complete the sentence.

i cant complete the sentence because youre putting words in my mouth. this is actually a classic mac/jess t v t town argument though. feels nostalgic

[MacDougall]

Long Con and trekkie were my first two scumreads when I was barely giving a shit. I didn't make a big hootananny out of it cuz I am like a dad playing football in the park with kids. Gotta let you have your fun.

[MacDougall]

POE strikelist thing if im insanely charitable to everybody

DrWilgy - I think pretty much only voted scum
Dubz - somewhat good posting after d1
Duelist Mirage - too much energy to be scum
Epignosis - weird posting
Gims - its a me
GoSpursGo - virtual innocent townie
Jess - very towny when around
leetic - sheeping spurs' homework
Long Con - dived
MacDougall - other people townread him, I have no idea
Michelle - IC
Nutella - pushed scum
Porscha - pushed scum
Pyxxy - widening the POE and following a scum agenda
RondoDimBuckle - too excited with the game to be mafia
Scotty - pushed scum
Tranq - claimed town

I think im solidly still here @jess so ye agreed with your townreads

i would say that we're broadly in alignment!

i dont have much clarity on wilgys alignment myself & have mostly just been sheeping the thread consensus but i feel fine trusting that other folks know how to read him better, and if pyxyy is a wolf then i reasons to believe that he is unpartnered with with them

i think dubz looks good for being one of the most prominent pushers on long con/she had a pretty towny string of posting during the last dayphase

duelist mirage feels very very towny to me in the last few pages specifically with A. her paranoia about leetic and B. her involvement in the mechanical discussion and i also think that she looks unpaired from long con

you (gims) just seem like obviously town to me for a bunch of reasons idk why i have like basically no paranoia about you

gospursgo also seems like really obviously town and i just believe he's trying to solve the puzzle

i think that i do still lean on leetic being town both because of the nicole spew but also bcuz im not sure i perceive his approach to the end of the day yesterday making a lot of sense in a world where he's mafia with long con? just doesnt feel totally right to me

mac is probably town??? because of his string of posting toward the end of the day 2 days ago and bcuz of the way trekkie interacted with him, but i am suffering from the recency bias thing where the lack of posting from him has made me more paranoid lol

michelle is conifirmed town

nutella is like 100% town it would be crazy to me if she's mafia

porscha might not have interactions that are as straightforwardly clearing as other players here but i generally just think her conviction/town entitlement is stemming from a real place, and same w/the conviction & internal consistency of her defense toward rondo

i wouldnt say im that confident about pyxy being a wolf bcuz my read on him is more based on an absence of towniness more than me finding him super suspicious but i think he could be a wolf specifically bcuz of that absence

i thought rondo was wolfy bcuz of his treatment of me on d2 but i think i was projecting too much about how i expect villagers to interact with me, i think he's gotten townier today specifically/he feels pure to me

i like that scotty has consistently been one of the voices driving the game forward and i generally believe that his solving is coming from a real place too

i also think tranq's vote on long con at the end of the day yesterday was really town for him.

I joke voted for my wolf partner LC and dipped on day 3 when our team is drowning because...

im not even calling u a wolf

No I know I am asking you to complete the sentence.

i cant complete the sentence because youre putting words in my mouth. this is actually a classic mac/jess t v t town argument though. feels nostalgic

Uh sure you can. Think of it like a game not a trap.

[Porscha]

I do not wish leetic to be today's vote.

i do also question if long con would defend leetic in this sort of blunt/brazen way in a world where they're W/W

i dont find it impossible

what was the context tho? was another wolf wagoned at that point?

[jess]

I think im solidly still here @jess so ye agreed with your townreads

i would say that we're broadly in alignment!

i dont have much clarity on wilgys alignment myself & have mostly just been sheeping the thread consensus but i feel fine trusting that other folks know how to read him better, and if pyxyy is a wolf then i reasons to believe that he is unpartnered with with them

i think dubz looks good for being one of the most prominent pushers on long con/she had a pretty towny string of posting during the last dayphase

duelist mirage feels very very towny to me in the last few pages specifically with A. her paranoia about leetic and B. her involvement in the mechanical discussion and i also think that she looks unpaired from long con

you (gims) just seem like obviously town to me for a bunch of reasons idk why i have like basically no paranoia about you

gospursgo also seems like really obviously town and i just believe he's trying to solve the puzzle

i think that i do still lean on leetic being town both because of the nicole spew but also bcuz im not sure i perceive his approach to the end of the day yesterday making a lot of sense in a world where he's mafia with long con? just doesnt feel totally right to me

mac is probably town??? because of his string of posting toward the end of the day 2 days ago and bcuz of the way trekkie interacted with him, but i am suffering from the recency bias thing where the lack of posting from him has made me more paranoid lol

michelle is conifirmed town

nutella is like 100% town it would be crazy to me if she's mafia

porscha might not have interactions that are as straightforwardly clearing as other players here but i generally just think her conviction/town entitlement is stemming from a real place, and same w/the conviction & internal consistency of her defense toward rondo

i wouldnt say im that confident about pyxy being a wolf bcuz my read on him is more based on an absence of towniness more than me finding him super suspicious but i think he could be a wolf specifically bcuz of that absence

i thought rondo was wolfy bcuz of his treatment of me on d2 but i think i was projecting too much about how i expect villagers to interact with me, i think he's gotten townier today specifically/he feels pure to me

i like that scotty has consistently been one of the voices driving the game forward and i generally believe that his solving is coming from a real place too

i also think tranq's vote on long con at the end of the day yesterday was really town for him.

I joke voted for my wolf partner LC and dipped on day 3 when our team is drowning because...

im not even calling u a wolf

No I know I am asking you to complete the sentence.

i cant complete the sentence because youre putting words in my mouth. this is actually a classic mac/jess t v t town argument though. feels nostalgic

Uh sure you can. Think of it like a game not a trap.

ok well if you are a wolf in a drowning wolf team who is also being widely suspected then you have an incentive to cast an early bus vote on one of your mostly-absent partners, because if you get elimmed then long con might look spewed town from your vote, or if long con dies then you look towny from having been an early voter on him

but it's not that hard for a wolf to hypothetically read the room and know that long con was going to go over sooner than later and decide to capitalize on that

[jess]

so i actually think there are better arguments for you being town than specifically the timing of your vote on long con

[MacDougall]

Because

I am trying to bus and go deep, except I am not taking any credit at all and ostensibly just bussed the slot that has the potential to surprise win cuz of the vote count maths.

I have given up and decided to troll Long Con.

I was just posturing and forgot to come back and/or noticed his wagon took off and have just gone belly up because pyxxy is also my wolf partner and there was no alternative by the time I noticed. We are just doomed so whats the use.

I guess the last one is valid.

[Porscha]

if i'm being honest I think spurs just has a bias for scumming people who are posting more than people who arent regardless of whether they are towny or wolfy lol and is letting the day 1 nicole wagon just vibe and barely exist is (fine) but not actually optimal

like what's any different from nutella 5 posting and rondo 5 posting and mac 5 posting each day? they are all in drastically different tiers and the only difference would be votes. nutella iirc has been on... all 3 flipped wolves? so I get the TR there

but idk where rondo or mac ended each day. i know mac didnt vote trekkie but I think if you want to sus me, you have to sus mac first and essentially create an argument that him and trekkie theatered in thread and I as the third wolf did it to bolster mac and then mac also townread me back and then mac stopped playing again. which is plausible, but I think that's pretty much the only world where I'm a wolf. and I also called out nicole very early and got zero cred for it as her partner.

I mean Nutella more or less owns the Nicole pelt, so that’s the difference between her and rondo/mac. Yeah bussing is a thing, but when the pack so far has shown no signs of bussing idk why we need to tie ourselves in knots worrying about it.

I’m not sure how you can simultaneously sus Nutella for actually restarting the Nicole wagon, yet try to claim credit for sussing Nicole without voting for her.

Like, I’m not saying for sure you’re a wolf and I’m not even sure you’re in my most likely solve, but atp I just don’t have much reason to town you. That’s just how I see the game.

ok well I wasn't sussing nutella so you're already misreading what I'm saying lol

I also feel no need to towncase myself and you'll probs die over night soon anyway so no real point in wasting breath

[MacDougall]

so i actually think there are better arguments for you being town than specifically the timing of your vote on long con

Yeah sure but I am sure those ones have already been analysed and confined to canon by now.

[jess]

POE strikelist thing if im insanely charitable to everybody

DrWilgy - I think pretty much only voted scum
Dubz - somewhat good posting after d1
Duelist Mirage - too much energy to be scum
Epignosis - weird posting
Gims - its a me
GoSpursGo - virtual innocent townie
Jess - very towny when around
leetic - sheeping spurs' homework
Long Con - dived
MacDougall - other people townread him, I have no idea
Michelle - IC
Nutella - pushed scum
Porscha - pushed scum
Pyxxy - widening the POE and following a scum agenda
RondoDimBuckle - too excited with the game to be mafia
Scotty - pushed scum
Tranq - claimed town

I think im solidly still here @jess so ye agreed with your townreads

i would say that we're broadly in alignment!

i dont have much clarity on wilgys alignment myself & have mostly just been sheeping the thread consensus but i feel fine trusting that other folks know how to read him better, and if pyxyy is a wolf then i reasons to believe that he is unpartnered with with them

i think dubz looks good for being one of the most prominent pushers on long con/she had a pretty towny string of posting during the last dayphase

duelist mirage feels very very towny to me in the last few pages specifically with A. her paranoia about leetic and B. her involvement in the mechanical discussion and i also think that she looks unpaired from long con

you (gims) just seem like obviously town to me for a bunch of reasons idk why i have like basically no paranoia about you

gospursgo also seems like really obviously town and i just believe he's trying to solve the puzzle

i think that i do still lean on leetic being town both because of the nicole spew but also bcuz im not sure i perceive his approach to the end of the day yesterday making a lot of sense in a world where he's mafia with long con? just doesnt feel totally right to me

mac is probably town??? because of his string of posting toward the end of the day 2 days ago and bcuz of the way trekkie interacted with him, but i am suffering from the recency bias thing where the lack of posting from him has made me more paranoid lol

michelle is conifirmed town

nutella is like 100% town it would be crazy to me if she's mafia

porscha might not have interactions that are as straightforwardly clearing as other players here but i generally just think her conviction/town entitlement is stemming from a real place, and same w/the conviction & internal consistency of her defense toward rondo

i wouldnt say im that confident about pyxy being a wolf bcuz my read on him is more based on an absence of towniness more than me finding him super suspicious but i think he could be a wolf specifically bcuz of that absence

i thought rondo was wolfy bcuz of his treatment of me on d2 but i think i was projecting too much about how i expect villagers to interact with me, i think he's gotten townier today specifically/he feels pure to me

i like that scotty has consistently been one of the voices driving the game forward and i generally believe that his solving is coming from a real place too

i also think tranq's vote on long con at the end of the day yesterday was really town for him.

wait i completely forgot about epi when i was making this post but i do think he has wolf equity as well

[MacDougall]

If there is a deep wolf its definitely nutella btw.

[Porscha]

like no offense to the earlier DM readers but DM was like 10 tiers townier than at least half the people who have been making posts lol. I'm unsure why others were unable to see it except that DM literally posted more often and therefore gained more ire

Reading your posts, I suspect we just have different solving styles. I look pretty hard at votes and wagonomics, largely because I feel like I’m trash at reading if people are “towny” or “wolfy.” If you have a different thought process that’s fine

those are important, and I wont discredit them, but I have also been provided the god given ability of being able to tell when 95% of the human population has the capacity to make posts like DM makes as a wolf and since I dont know DM, I would not assume them to be in the 5% who could do that

[Porscha]

most people are not good actors or performers and it's why humans innately idolize those who are good at them. and sorry to say, the majority of good actors or performers are also not congregating online to play forum mafia lol

[gims]

Porscha never faced scum gims smh my head

[jess]

I do not wish leetic to be today's vote.

i do also question if long con would defend leetic in this sort of blunt/brazen way in a world where they're W/W

i dont find it impossible

what was the context tho? was another wolf wagoned at that point?

hmmm well this was the votecount 100 posts later:

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1430 EDT

Duelist Mirage () -
Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Tranq () -
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
dubz () -
Nicole (2) - nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (2) - DM, Spurs
Spurs (1) - pyxxy
pyxxy () -
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (2) - gims, jess

13/20

Leading: Nicole, Vivax, @leetic , and @Michelle
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo, Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (15.5 hours)

so i dont think any of the wagons had really crystalized enough at that point for any particular player to feel distinctly in danger, at least not in my perception

so it is kind of a brazen defense of leetic in a context where it doesnt seem like it would be necessary for long con to make it? but i mean im wary to trust spew that much anyway

[Porscha]

If it's still a tie one hour from now, i'm switching to LC. A tie should be avoided in case one of them is Athlete.

I think this is clearing for Tranq.

Put simply I don't think he would just brazenly be like "I am doing this in case LC is athlete" and then it be true. That just feels implausible.

understandable and considered

[jess]

I do not wish leetic to be today's vote.

i do also question if long con would defend leetic in this sort of blunt/brazen way in a world where they're W/W

i dont find it impossible

what was the context tho? was another wolf wagoned at that point?

hmmm well this was the votecount 100 posts later:

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1430 EDT

Duelist Mirage () -
Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Tranq () -
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
dubz () -
Nicole (2) - nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (2) - DM, Spurs
Spurs (1) - pyxxy
pyxxy () -
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (2) - gims, jess

13/20

Leading: Nicole, Vivax, @leetic , and @Michelle
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo, Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (15.5 hours)

so i dont think any of the wagons had really crystalized enough at that point for any particular player to feel distinctly in danger, at least not in my perception

so it is kind of a brazen defense of leetic in a context where it doesnt seem like it would be necessary for long con to make it? but i mean im wary to trust spew that much anyway

jk actually i misread the post numbers, this was the actual vorcount a little while before long con made that post:

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1930 EDT

Duelist Mirage (1) - Michelle
Trekkie99 () -
Tranq () -
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
dubz () -
Nicole (1) - nutella
nutella () -
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (3) - DM, Scotty, Spurs
Spurs (1) - Vivax
pyxxy () -
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (2) - gims
Rondo (1) - pyxxy, jess
Scotty (1) - leetic

14/20

Leading: leetic
Missing: @DrWilgy , @Dubz , @Porscha , @Trekkie99 , @RondoDimBuckle , @Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (10.5 hours)

so there is more of a direct incentive to defend leetic in this context if leetic is a wolf, since leetic was one of the primary wagons

[Porscha]

I do not wish leetic to be today's vote.

i do also question if long con would defend leetic in this sort of blunt/brazen way in a world where they're W/W

i dont find it impossible

what was the context tho? was another wolf wagoned at that point?

hmmm well this was the votecount 100 posts later:

Day 1 VC, 9/25/26 at 1430 EDT

Duelist Mirage () -
Trekkie99 (1) - Scotty
Tranq () -
Vivax (2) - Nicole, Long Con
dubz () -
Nicole (2) - nutella, vivax
nutella (1) - leetic
DrWilgy (1) - Epig
Porscha () -
leetic (2) - DM, Spurs
Spurs (1) - pyxxy
pyxxy () -
Epig (1) - MacDougall
Michelle (2) - gims, jess

13/20

Leading: Nicole, Vivax, @leetic , and @Michelle
Missing: DrWilgy, dubz, Michelle, Porscha, Trekkie, Rondo, Tranq

Vote closes at on 9/26/26 at 0600 EDT (15.5 hours)

so i dont think any of the wagons had really crystalized enough at that point for any particular player to feel distinctly in danger, at least not in my perception

so it is kind of a brazen defense of leetic in a context where it doesnt seem like it would be necessary for long con to make it? but i mean im wary to trust spew that much anyway

weird champ

[MacDougall]

@jess nutella's iso is pretty bad.

Obvs the nicole stuff is what it is but aside from that it looks like her wolf play and includes townreads on trekkie and a random shield on long con. Also strong day 1 defense of leetic who I think is very wolfy too. She is also absent her usual town fire, which doesn't ordinarily go away in town stomps having been a wolf on the receiving end before she is overwhelming in that way.

She feels very much like a wolf drowning with her team dying around her while all she can do is keep tapping the "I killed nicole" sign.

[Porscha]

Porscha never faced scum gims smh my head

you clearly aren't in the top 5% cuz you've been universally townread by n3 with no detractors. readable and clocked

[jess]

i probably wouldnt be so tunneled if LC flipped town but LC flipping scum just means something for the wolves and means something for pyxxy defending LC ridiculously last gameday

i mean i do think pyxy is wolfy still too but i do wonder what his incentive as a wolf would be in defending long con so hard, when long con was completely AWOL from the thread and absent? im used to wolves bussing in scenarios like that. i guess u could argue he just didnt want to lose a teammate

I think in this scenario where wolves are already down 2 wolves, they could easily think that with the mech losing another wolf is just too much of a numbers disadvantage.

But I’m also the person who as wolf loses because I stubbornly defend my packmates long past bus-o-clock, so I’m predisposed to reading defense of a flipped wolf as pairing

yea i thikn im oriented in the opposite direction where i naturally expect wolves to bus/distance quite a lot since it's sort of the meta within my homesite, but i might be projecting that meta too heavily. i dont think it's a strong point in pyxyy's favor at any rate

[gims]

Porscha never faced scum gims smh my head

you clearly aren't in the top 5% cuz you've been universally townread by n3 with no detractors. readable and clocked

I was never scum on this site!!!

[MacDougall]

sorry i wont really be available to play until tomorrow (real-life time). the mafia better start quaking in their boots bcuz once im free it's gonna be sooooo over for them

Admittedly, this post doesn't look good either. Just say you'll be unavailable, no need to LARP about how the wolves would totally be destroyed right now if you were around

Disagree, that kind of statement is +town

Its neutral but I don't feel great about leetic going after it.

weird chain

think i don't like this from nicole

pondering

On face value this looks good

[Porscha]

Porscha never faced scum gims smh my head

you clearly aren't in the top 5% cuz you've been universally townread by n3 with no detractors. readable and clocked

I was never scum on this site!!!

ping me to sign up late to a game where you already randed wolf and I'll join xd

[Porscha]

i'm like always wary of nutella now, I feel like I used to very much KNOW when she was town and the past like year or two it just doesnt happen like that anymore. so I'm never comfortable giving a solid read on her

[MacDougall]

I guess I agree with Nicole that leetic post is not great

lol

i think it's p standard leetic

But if leetic is also mafia how good is it really?

Gims who seems to be obvtown here sided with wolf Nicole's perspective.


If wolf Nicole was just pushing wolf Leetic would the Nutella actions here be townie at all?

[jess]

@jess nutella's iso is pretty bad.

Obvs the nicole stuff is what it is but aside from that it looks like her wolf play and includes townreads on trekkie and a random shield on long con. Also strong day 1 defense of leetic who I think is very wolfy too. She is also absent her usual town fire, which doesn't ordinarily go away in town stomps having been a wolf on the receiving end before she is overwhelming in that way.

She feels very much like a wolf drowning with her team dying around her while all she can do is keep tapping the "I killed nicole" sign.

@MacDougall - nut being mafia is hard sell for me because she's probably the player here who had the most direct influence on getting incole killed at the end of day one:

Anyone wanna bring back the nicole wagon

and i dont really think she's the type to hard-bus like that,, at least not in the context of a gamestate where nicole hypothetically could have survived a bit longer if nut didnt help push her over the edge

ive also just found her really towny on a tonal/energy level and she's done some classic nutella things like her paranoia about me a few days ago

but i mean ive lost my ability to godread nutella so i wont entirely discount it, i just dont rly see it as likely

[MacDougall]

Some slots like Scotty are really tripping me up cause it’s got me like “Yeah! A new Scotty post! I think I’ll be able to help parse him.” And then I’m half way thru and snap out of a daze
This is entirely on me though. Where’s uP or Enchant to say “skill issue” when you need them?
Having time to keep up helps as well instead of catching up constantly over morning coffee and dinner lol

towny post i think

This came immediately after her first nicole vote btw.

And had follow up.

It is a trope for wolves to offset townsiding with wolfsiding. Some are compelled to do this.

[jess]

i'm like always wary of nutella now, I feel like I used to very much KNOW when she was town and the past like year or two it just doesnt happen like that anymore. so I'm never comfortable giving a solid read on her

same.i think that im generally very good at reading her but ive kinda lost my confidence about it in recent games lol

[MacDougall]

Gun to head I would vote IHNI ayyyyyy gottem
It would not be DM or Nicole I know that buuuuuuuuut at the same time I could see the angle on either of them but I don’t wanna cause they’re the only players I can actually read, and I mean that as presently in this game and not just in general

This phrasing -.-
They‘re the ones you can read but if you could read them mafia you wouldn’t because they‘re the ones you can read.

Seems like a circlejerk argumentation.

Sorry for the run-on.
Yes pretty much that. But in between town reading them and not wanting to scum read them, I can see a world where they could be mafia.
It’s like they’re on a scale that’s close to being level, and it could lean towards scum, but I think (along with my previously stated bias) it leans town.

But like how the scale is metaphorical, the scum DM and/or Nicole world is theoretical. In reality, I think this a town world

yeah quite towny

[MacDougall]

@jess @nutella @Scotty tell me where to vote

Fine with any of nicole/vivax/leetic I think

Huh when did the leetic wagon get so big

Maybe I'm not comfortable with that

Two posts apart. Very odd.

[GoSpursGo]

if i'm being honest I think spurs just has a bias for scumming people who are posting more than people who arent regardless of whether they are towny or wolfy lol and is letting the day 1 nicole wagon just vibe and barely exist is (fine) but not actually optimal

like what's any different from nutella 5 posting and rondo 5 posting and mac 5 posting each day? they are all in drastically different tiers and the only difference would be votes. nutella iirc has been on... all 3 flipped wolves? so I get the TR there

but idk where rondo or mac ended each day. i know mac didnt vote trekkie but I think if you want to sus me, you have to sus mac first and essentially create an argument that him and trekkie theatered in thread and I as the third wolf did it to bolster mac and then mac also townread me back and then mac stopped playing again. which is plausible, but I think that's pretty much the only world where I'm a wolf. and I also called out nicole very early and got zero cred for it as her partner.

I mean Nutella more or less owns the Nicole pelt, so that’s the difference between her and rondo/mac. Yeah bussing is a thing, but when the pack so far has shown no signs of bussing idk why we need to tie ourselves in knots worrying about it.

I’m not sure how you can simultaneously sus Nutella for actually restarting the Nicole wagon, yet try to claim credit for sussing Nicole without voting for her.

Like, I’m not saying for sure you’re a wolf and I’m not even sure you’re in my most likely solve, but atp I just don’t have much reason to town you. That’s just how I see the game.

ok well I wasn't sussing nutella so you're already misreading what I'm saying lol

I also feel no need to towncase myself and you'll probs die over night soon anyway so no real point in wasting breath

idk why you specifically pointed out nutella then if you weren't making a point on that read being off. But that's fine. I'm also very unlikely to go after you in the next day phase.

FWIW I've found this exchange towny, I just don't usually trust my ability to read based on that.

[MacDougall]

im shielding mac trekkie and long con for the time being

dubz and porscha are probably just mafia because they are mafia


ok gn

Then there's this.

[GoSpursGo]

most people are not good actors or performers and it's why humans innately idolize those who are good at them. and sorry to say, the majority of good actors or performers are also not congregating online to play forum mafia lol

I lol'd.

A fair point

[MacDougall]

@jess nutella's iso is pretty bad.

Obvs the nicole stuff is what it is but aside from that it looks like her wolf play and includes townreads on trekkie and a random shield on long con. Also strong day 1 defense of leetic who I think is very wolfy too. She is also absent her usual town fire, which doesn't ordinarily go away in town stomps having been a wolf on the receiving end before she is overwhelming in that way.

She feels very much like a wolf drowning with her team dying around her while all she can do is keep tapping the "I killed nicole" sign.

@MacDougall - nut being mafia is hard sell for me because she's probably the player here who had the most direct influence on getting incole killed at the end of day one:

Anyone wanna bring back the nicole wagon

and i dont really think she's the type to hard-bus like that,, at least not in the context of a gamestate where nicole hypothetically could have survived a bit longer if nut didnt help push her over the edge

ive also just found her really towny on a tonal/energy level and she's done some classic nutella things like her paranoia about me a few days ago

but i mean ive lost my ability to godread nutella so i wont entirely discount it, i just dont rly see it as likely

I know what you mean. There is some classic nutella in here too. And some of the reasons to suspect are ironically townie in some respects like the switching from leetic town to wolf to town shows a lack of tmi in her solving process. So I am certainly not planning to actively push her. But I think she is clearly the most questionable widely townread player. I think on the sum of it all I still lean town though.