Not a townie attitude.Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:59 pmI said why once. Good enough for me. Unless you're interested in turning me into a cheap lynch, you'll look for yourself.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:55 pmWhat is the why?
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Yay, caught up. So, guess what guys... I'm feeling better. I'm not 100%, but better. Not that dunya cares . She's still making passes at my man...talkin' about being his pet now. Tisk tisk.
This jay lynch is giving me a new perspective on some of you. But I'll share mt thoughts tomorrow. For now, I sleep.
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I've gone at it with townie Quin before and I've seen others go at it with survival Quin.
Why is he giving up?
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colonialbob interacting with jay:
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This does not feel like a teammate interaction. It's not impossible for it to be, but I think this is a good look for Bob. I disagree with the line of thought he is presenting here, but it looks like a genuine inquiry for a player he is trying to understand. If Jay and Bob are teammates then they are carrying on an entirely fabricated dialogue here. Again, not impossible, but also not something I'd say is common.
A continuation of the same conversation, only here I've interjected myself into it. He's trying to understand Jay's thought process. I can believe that. I don't have to. we'll see.
At this point the dialogue has become essential for the both of them and there's no escaping it. If my hangup on the likelihood of this conversation being held between two teammates is the only piece of evidence in colonialbob's favor then I'm not buying it. If there's a larger backdrop of evidence then I'll have to reconsider. The initial exchange looked spontaneous but the rest of it has felt rather formulaic to me. That could just be a product of Jay's behavior appearing off to me, and I'm also projecting the same awkwardness onto bob, whom I've not played a real game with before (which came as a shock to me; we've been involved in several games together in the past, but never both as active players, CC-123 withstanding. Sorry you've been my prime susect, Bobert! )
I won't keep pulling up every post from this exchange. It's there and we can all read it and judge its authenticity for ourselves. I do not find it hard to believe that Jay and Bob would willfully carry out an extended dialogue in the thread while secretly being scum partners. It's a good look, so it's something they might be inclined to coordinate. On the other hand, it's simply a good look.
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And then a vote for speedchuck
I need a more thorough explanation from Bob regarding his votes and overall behavior on Day 4, because I'm feeling some inconsistencies (the bad kind) here. why were you on speed in the first place? How would you characterize your suspicion of Jay from the start of the day phase through to the end? who were the "good" Jay voters that inspired you to move your vote?
These interactions have brought Bob closer to a town read than he was previously, but the evidence in his favor is not strong enough to remove him from my hot seat. He'd still be a priority suspect going into tomorrow, but perhaps not the priority suspect as he was before.
Responds to Jay's initial plea for direction. Innocent enough. I raised a few objections to Jay's response in my mega post(s) earlier, though. Bob's follow up response is also harmless. None of this moves the needle in either direction.colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:03 pmI'd be interested in thoughts on me/jack/LC. Also the vote swapping from Epi to NutellaJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:36 pm Everyone should tell me what things in this thread you feel are most important/most warrant my attention and discussion among those I didn't just address.
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I can see more of a teammate motivation here, as this post presents an opportunity for some soft distancing. But it's still the same dialogue as above, and I'd need to decide that this is definitely something they'd fabricate in the thread in order for the partnership to make sense.colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:38 amExplain please. I'm also curious why you're defending somebody you didn't seem to be fully onboard with as town.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:34 am Moreover I think the low-poster lynch strategy is ideal under these conditions.
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I won't keep pulling up every post from this exchange. It's there and we can all read it and judge its authenticity for ourselves. I do not find it hard to believe that Jay and Bob would willfully carry out an extended dialogue in the thread while secretly being scum partners. It's a good look, so it's something they might be inclined to coordinate. On the other hand, it's simply a good look.
Gives Jay the thumbs up during the GTH drill
Jay's observation about Bob doesn't move me in any meaningful way, nor does Bob's response. It's the postscript that gives me more pause on my Bob scumread. That would be an awkward public exchange for two players who've allegedly been in private contact with each other throughout the game. It reflects genuine uncertainty and desire to correct the mistake from Bob, and I imagine the proper spelling of his name is something that would have previously been established in BTSC. Or maybe not, and this was just a sudden flare up. I don't know. But that's two things that don't strike me as being indicative of teammates. Hmph.colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:58 amMe too. I want to go back and cross check all the people who said "wow that's a good case Sloonei has" with how they read me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:00 am ~ I'm surprised by the even split on Colonel Bob. Through the long night phase he seemed to attract and hold negative press without receiving much support if any. This was one of the more conflicted reads for me, and I may not be alone in that given the lack of consensus.
(PS it's colonial, I'm not in the army or anything )
Another q&a between Bob and Jay, but this one is necessitated by Jay playing the facilitator role in an exchange between Jack and Bob. I'm not particularly moved.colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:07 amHis read was wishy-washy all game, constantly qualified with "I can't read bob". Swapping to a good read (but a questionable one) puts him in a position to be convinced I'm bad while also not leading the lynch on me. Remember his GTH reads followed a bit behind others... perhaps enough time to see several people viewing me as town?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:58 pmI'm following the progression of Jack's read on the Colonel, as the latter alluded to. He did move quickly from a bottom-tier mafia read to a GTH good read in quick succession. One question emerges here for colonialbob:Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:55 pm Well I liked this game.
Idk if it made me do better reads but it forced me to make a firm decision on several players. Felt the need to elaborate on Bob (poe/gut/no obvious pairing) and Eloh (feels real in spite of everything) in the moment but choose not to.
In a world where Jack is mafia and you are a civilian, what is the mafia benefit Jack enjoys by reversing his perspective of you in the wake of the negative press you received in the night phase? In this scenario you ought to look like a juicy mislynch steak.
Also helps if he and speed are w/w, let one keep pushing on me while one holds back.
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:47 pm Seeing some very potential JJJ/quin links page 65. Also, did tripJ ever explain his late swap from Eloh back to Mesk?
Some inclinations that bob is starting to suspect Jay. Good at face value, but I take it with a grain of salt due to my overarching theory that Jay invited his team to distance themselves from him after Day 3. I won't discredit Bob for coming out against him. I will, however note that immediately following this second post in which he names Jay/Quin/Dom as a potential scum trio, he casts this vote:colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:25 pmDisagree. The first death being a mafia death is very bad thing for mafia. Bad Quin has cover from pushing after lasagne from the beginning, plus it's easier to justify votes swapping around in a CFD type EOD. I mean heck Sloonei voted with JJJ and I'm almost positive they're not w/w. I think JJJ/Quin/Dom w/w/w is still very much on the table.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:10 am I don't think J is bad with Dunya or Quin.
Bad Jimmy and bad Quin don't team up to save bad Dom. That's really dangerous for little return, given Dom has been inactive.
I still think Wuin is good.
(Plus little return isn't necessarily true. He could be Sutter Buttes, or Gwendol Wreakin's kill might be special in some way. And if his teammates can submit an action for him, doubly so.)
Doesn't want to tunnel Jay too much. Fair, but in a chin-scratching, skeptical way. Because, you know, I have to read Bob as bad.colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:28 pm Kylemii
I didn't like his push on Jack, I don't feel like he's solving, and I don't want to tunnel in on JJJ this early in the phase.
This is a prod that doesn't move me, again. Just a vague plea for "reasons to read Jay as town." I like that he's on Jay's case, but I don't feel like this post accomplishes a whole lot.colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:23 pmI'd really prefer you to give us reasons you're town, rather than "I'm not bad you'll regret voting for me because it's what the mafia wants"JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:16 pm I said I was going to put reads in this thread and I will. I do not have time to be Jerry Seinfeld and I don't give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld. I frankly don't see how there could be any impression that I give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld or any other generic super-civilian cookie cutter rendition of myself given the posts I have made in this game. This variety of meta read is bogus, as though JJJ suddenly forgets how to make a million posts when he draws a mafia role.
There's a reason I am only here during brief windows right now. That won't change for the foreseeable future in this or ensuing games. I implore the civilians in this thread to engage a broad dialogue whether I am your locked vote or not. Nothing is friendlier to the mafia team right now than a continuing focus on me, especially when I am in no position to engage the discussion.
Here he's going after DDL for an apparent defense of Jay. I don't fault DDL for this line of thinking, but I suppose this is another good look for bob, but one which I am still taking with a grain of salt. He even acknowledges himself that Jay is more likely a bus candidate than someone his teammates would try to save. And it is exactly that line of thinking which has me eyeballing this post right now. Bob has been vaguely positive on Jay all game long prior to Night 3, with neither of them taking a critical stance toward the other at any point. There were a couple of back-and-forth discussions, but they never really dug into one another as players in the game, only discussed theories involving other players. As such, it is difficult to get a sense that either of them was making an effort to read the other during those earlier exchanges. After Jay emerged as a public suspect, Bob was on board and did not look back. Phew. I thought I'd lost my tunnel vision for a moment.colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:56 pmTo express disagreement with DDL as well as point out a soft defense of JJJ.Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:46 pmWhat was the purpose behind making this post?colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:34 pmStill catching up but had to comment on this. Jay seems a pretty obvious target for today - if he is bad he seems a better candidate for bussing than saving, especially considering his availability.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:04 pm I'm also bothered by the lack of votes in this day.
If Jay is bad, it would make sense for there to be some counter-wagon by now (maybe Wilgy is the counter wagon?). And I don't like how everyone who is voting for Jay is someone I'm currently townreading (well there is Jack, but I like current Jack more than Day 1 Jack so i'm still on the fence about him). Maybe mafia is just watching from afar, since the civs are doing their dirty work for them. So they don't need to expose themselves, by making bussing too obvious or risking discussion going against them.
Why are you asking about this post?
"Intrigued" by nutella's harsh stance against Jay, feat. empty follow up question.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:23 amIntrigued. How so? Are you saying you don't see yourself moving off JJJ today?
And then a vote for speedchuck
But why? And also, as speedchuck noted himself, he was the CFD option. Jay was the initial suspect. Bob would point out that wilgy was the CFD option. Both of them were. I don't know, and I still don't know why bob was voting for chuck, but I haven't exactly been looking for that so I shouldn't speak about it other than to note that speedchuck and jaggedjimmyjay are not the same person.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:33 am CFD. For the fourth night in a row. No thanks I'll stick with speed.
About an hour later bob returned to cast his final vote on Jay, citing that the crowd around him were all top blokes; good eggs. This strikes me as a bit of an awkward explanation. He'd already come out as harshly opposed to Jay earlier in the day, so much so that he attacked DDL for offering a soft defense of the J's. But when it came time to vote, bob held off for as long as he could and then when he finally did put his vote on Jay, it was not because of any case to be made directly against Jay, but because the players voting for him are all good.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:25 am I like the people on JJJ much more, so I'm swtiching over. JJJ
I need a more thorough explanation from Bob regarding his votes and overall behavior on Day 4, because I'm feeling some inconsistencies (the bad kind) here. why were you on speed in the first place? How would you characterize your suspicion of Jay from the start of the day phase through to the end? who were the "good" Jay voters that inspired you to move your vote?
These interactions have brought Bob closer to a town read than he was previously, but the evidence in his favor is not strong enough to remove him from my hot seat. He'd still be a priority suspect going into tomorrow, but perhaps not the priority suspect as he was before.
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Wrong. I was the vote that put JJJ in the lead.nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:27 pmcolonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:33 am CFD. For the fourth night in a row. No thanks I'll stick with speed.his vote is on speed for a while, then when it becomes clear that Jay is taking the lead again he hops on!colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:25 am I like the people on JJJ much more, so I'm swtiching over. JJJ
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so?colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:11 amWrong. I was the vote that put JJJ in the lead.nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:27 pmcolonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:33 am CFD. For the fourth night in a row. No thanks I'll stick with speed.his vote is on speed for a while, then when it becomes clear that Jay is taking the lead again he hops on!colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:25 am I like the people on JJJ much more, so I'm swtiching over. JJJ
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Can you tell me exactly what the vote tally was at the time you voted?
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colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:31 amYeah I'm trying to figure out who was already there before me. I think you were 5th because I saw you, Epi, and nutella and liked that a lot more than jack, mal, kyle. Meaning it was DDL, speed, Epi, nutella, you on JJJ vs Eloh, Mal, LC, Jack, Kyle, myself on speed when I switched.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:06 amI don't know. I was the 5th or 6th vote on him.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:05 am Sloonei did you move back to JJJ before or after I did?
Initially I was the first.
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So she was factually incorrect. It was not clear JJJ was taking the lead, since my vote put him in the lead. if you think I'm bussing him, fine. You're wrong, but fine. But let's at least base the case on things that actually happened.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:15 amso?colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:11 amWrong. I was the vote that put JJJ in the lead.nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:27 pmcolonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:33 am CFD. For the fourth night in a row. No thanks I'll stick with speed.his vote is on speed for a while, then when it becomes clear that Jay is taking the lead again he hops on!colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:25 am I like the people on JJJ much more, so I'm swtiching over. JJJ
I'm sold sloonei let's do thiscolonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:34 pm Jay seems a pretty obvious target for today - if he is bad he seems a better candidate for bussing than saving, especially considering his availability.
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I'd argue that the climate in the thread was very clearly anti-Jay as we approached the deadline yesterday. Your vote may have put him over the top, but I don't find that to be a tremendously convincing fact given that he was clearly the most widely-suspected player and votes were beginning to pile on him.
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With whom?Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:21 pmSo does Epignosis.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:34 pmCharles Dickens had a lot of sex.Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:25 pm but now that I have to explain the premise of the joke it just seems kind of mean spirited. Sorry Marmot, love you.
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Again, that's fine. I obviously disagree with you, because I'm town, but that's fine. All I want is for the case to be made on facts, not falsehoods. That's all I was trying to correct nutella on.
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Question for Sloonei: if you think JJJ told his teammates to bus him D3, doesn't every suspicion of JJJ expressed D3 instantly become worthless because it's potential bussing?
Second: if all his teammates were bussing him why were there so many Wilgy and Speed votes until very late in the phase?
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why did you vote for speedchuck, or how did your read of Jay progress throughout the day?colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:31 am Again, that's fine. I obviously disagree with you, because I'm town, but that's fine. All I want is for the case to be made on facts, not falsehoods. That's all I was trying to correct nutella on.
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Nope. It's our job as responsible townies to suss out the honest suspicions from the false ones.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:35 am Question for Sloonei: if you think JJJ told his teammates to bus him D3, doesn't every suspicion of JJJ expressed D3 instantly become worthless because it's potential bussing?
Townies can be uncertain, or wrong, or vote for mafia members not called JaggedJimmyJay. And it's possible not all of his teammates were on the bus.Second: if all his teammates were bussing him why were there so many Wilgy and Speed votes until very late in the phase?
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or is supposed to say and. I want answers to both things, not one or the other.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:35 amwhy did you vote for speedchuck, or how did your read of Jay progress throughout the day?colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:31 am Again, that's fine. I obviously disagree with you, because I'm town, but that's fine. All I want is for the case to be made on facts, not falsehoods. That's all I was trying to correct nutella on.
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I votes for speedchuck because he was my biggest scum read. As the day went along, I bought into the JJJ case you and Epi laid out. So speedchuck and JJJ were my top scumreads. But then I looked at the trains and I was on a train with Kyle (somebody I didn't trust, see my first vote), Jack (somebody I didn't trust, see my history), Mal (somebody who was a pretty common scumread), and Eloh and LC (two players I wasn't suspicious of but also didn't have a solid town read on). Meanwhile JJJ had my three strongest town reads (nutella, you, epignosis). I decided I'd rather be with my town reads than my scumreads, considering that independent of other viewpoints he was second on my suspicion list.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:35 amwhy did you vote for speedchuck, or how did your read of Jay progress throughout the day?colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:31 am Again, that's fine. I obviously disagree with you, because I'm town, but that's fine. All I want is for the case to be made on facts, not falsehoods. That's all I was trying to correct nutella on.
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"Player x is/was my strongest scum read" is not an adequate answer for me. All that does is reaffirm that your suspicion exists. I'm asking you to give me reasons why speedchuck was your strongest scum read, especially relative to Jay.
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I believe I talked about him, should've seen that in your ISO. Sorry for being a little snarky but I'm headed to bed and not in the mood to relitigate a case against somebody I no longer have strong suspicions about. And the frustrating thing is I'm pretty sure you're town so it's frustrating that you can't find me so we can go catch bad guys together. So we can revisit this tomorrow when I have more energy.
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Apologies, but I was only looking for your posts regarding Jay in that ISO. However, my questions are here are meant to be about why you specifically vote for speedchuck rather than Jay, because from what I saw you had every reason to vote for Jay but only ended up moving to him because you preferred the voters against him to the voters against speedchuck. I want to know how your thoughts developed during the day phase, if that helps.
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Sloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pmNo hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 amIf the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.
What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."
This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.
Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.
That screams "scumbuddies" to me.
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Strongly agreed.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:48 pmI doubt the realism of your theory when there were two players with 3-5 votes each and Jay was lagging at third place.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:17 pmDubious and borderline irrelevant given my concern that Jay was primed for a bus.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:14 pmAccording to himself he was one of the main forces in restarting the Jay lynch.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?
where has he made this bold claim?
Why bussing him at all?
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Epi's accusation was not that LC was trying to lynch him and he'd flip scum. His accusation was that LC was trying to mislynch him. Also, I use this word as a townie when talking about other people.dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:23 pm I don't care what you'll all say about that "mislynch" episode, but the fact is: Epi's post was all about lynching him (sure, mislynch was implied, but even EPI who is sure of his own towniness didn't use that word....), LC responded by using "lynch" too, because LC believes Epi would be a lynching not a mislynch. If Jack really believed Epi was scum, then lynching him wouldn't be a mislynch.
... Jack has a lot of other question marks around him. ...
Quin seems town.
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Fake.
What other question marks?
No, Quin seems incredibly bad. Why do you think he looks good?
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
I might be biased but I think I look town.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 4]
The surprise and unawareness of the nightkill mechanics in this game malakim displayed here appear genuine and believable to me. I think he's a townie who believed for a fleeting moment that we had a janitor in this game, or that the nightkill was carried out by Olympus Mons. If he was scum he would have been clued into their target and would presumably be aware of his team's full complement of abilities.malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:04 am A janitor in this game. Very interesting.
Though I suspect the Martian is involved with that. Too many secrets.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
I agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:05 amSloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pmNo hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 amIf the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.
What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."
This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.
Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.
That screams "scumbuddies" to me.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
I don't think Wilgy is bad. He seemed like a genuine lynch target of 3J's. I think he was the first to give Wilgy serious attention which is already unnecessary if they're teammates. His posts don't appear as if he ever let Wilgy off the hook, either; there are various prods, a GTH bad read and an ISO.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:02 amI agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:05 amSloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pmNo hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 amIf the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.
What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."
This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.
Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.
That screams "scumbuddies" to me.
That Wilgy ISO was one of four he did at the time. He also did ISO's of speedchuck, colonialbob and malakim. He gives a definitive read on all of them, except for malakim. That's a bad look. If they're teammates, 3J's ISO gives him some leverage to not vote for malakim if he ever became a top lynch candidate. He doesn't discuss malakim after the ISO except to say he wouldn't vote for him today and that he looked good in legacy.
I looked at his ISO's outside of that time period. He also neglects a read on Eloh at the end of her ISO, but he was already on her at the time and didn't let up after. I don't think he'd consciously or unconsciously leave out conclusions on 2 teammates ISO's, so my thought process has taken a hit. If one of them is more likely to be bad based on this, it's malakim.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
Why do you disagree?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:02 amI agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:05 amSloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pmNo hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 amIf the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.
What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."
This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.
Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.
That screams "scumbuddies" to me.
Why was Jimmy after Mesk so hard if a townie Mal lynch would have been just as good for him?
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
I just gave one of my reasons for reading Mal as town in the first of my three consecutive posts above.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:38 amWhy do you disagree?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:02 amI agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:05 amSloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pmNo hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 amIf the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.
What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."
This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.
Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.
That screams "scumbuddies" to me.
Why was Jimmy after Mesk so hard if a townie Mal lynch would have been just as good for him?
I think you're exaggerating Jay's role in the Mesk lynch. I could be misremembering, but as I recall he was largely a follower on the bandwagon. He said more about Mesk than others, but only because we were making him talk the most. He seized the Mesk wagon because it existed. He was saving himself, not Dom.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
did you read the two ginormous posts I made tonight? or at least skim them?Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:35 amI don't think Wilgy is bad. He seemed like a genuine lynch target of 3J's. I think he was the first to give Wilgy serious attention which is already unnecessary if they're teammates. His posts don't appear as if he ever let Wilgy off the hook, either; there are various prods, a GTH bad read and an ISO.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:02 amI agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:05 amSloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pmNo hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 amIf the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.
What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."
This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.
Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.
That screams "scumbuddies" to me.
That Wilgy ISO was one of four he did at the time. He also did ISO's of speedchuck, colonialbob and malakim. He gives a definitive read on all of them, except for malakim. That's a bad look. If they're teammates, 3J's ISO gives him some leverage to not vote for malakim if he ever became a top lynch candidate. He doesn't discuss malakim after the ISO except to say he wouldn't vote for him today and that he looked good in legacy.
I looked at his ISO's outside of that time period. He also neglects a read on Eloh at the end of her ISO, but he was already on her at the time and didn't let up after. I don't think he'd consciously or unconsciously leave out conclusions on 2 teammates ISO's, so my thought process has taken a hit. If one of them is more likely to be bad based on this, it's malakim.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [DAY 1]
did you read the two ginormous posts I made tonight? or at least skim them?Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:35 amI don't think Wilgy is bad. He seemed like a genuine lynch target of 3J's. I think he was the first to give Wilgy serious attention which is already unnecessary if they're teammates. His posts don't appear as if he ever let Wilgy off the hook, either; there are various prods, a GTH bad read and an ISO.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:02 amI agree. I just disagree that malakim is the likely teammate. Sig and colonialbob look like better choices to me, and I'm also open to DrWilgy.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:05 amSloonei, you may have already covered this but I have real problems with this assumption.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 pmNo hesitation in supporting Dom's lynch. I remain opposed to the idea of lynching malakim.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:00 amIf the deadline was in five seconds I'd vote for Dom.
What I've noticed with traditional distancing is that a lot of scum like to keep their suspicious partners as "suspects."
This means if the town is hunting for 2 baddies, putting a teammate 3rd from the bottom in your rainbow. This means saying that you'll vote for a teammate or that they're the best option but ultimately not voting for them.
Why do you think Jay is not doing the later to Mal? Jimmy says he'd lynch Mal now if it was EOD but no matter how many times he was pushed, he refused to actually do so.
That screams "scumbuddies" to me.
That Wilgy ISO was one of four he did at the time. He also did ISO's of speedchuck, colonialbob and malakim. He gives a definitive read on all of them, except for malakim. That's a bad look. If they're teammates, 3J's ISO gives him some leverage to not vote for malakim if he ever became a top lynch candidate. He doesn't discuss malakim after the ISO except to say he wouldn't vote for him today and that he looked good in legacy.
I looked at his ISO's outside of that time period. He also neglects a read on Eloh at the end of her ISO, but he was already on her at the time and didn't let up after. I don't think he'd consciously or unconsciously leave out conclusions on 2 teammates ISO's, so my thought process has taken a hit. If one of them is more likely to be bad based on this, it's malakim.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
I will, but I haven't had much interest in this game today. And I'm walking out the door to go out right now.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
I explained my suspects in way too much detail there, but I also largely ignored Jay's Day 4 ISOs because I'm viewing them as pure, unfiltered wifom. I did make the same observation as you that wilgy was the only target who he offered a definitive read on, though. I would expect Jay to want to bus a teammate or two, and I would likewise expect a teammate or two to want to bus Jay.
colonialbob's interactions fit this model best of anyone, in my opinion. They sort of hovered around one another on Days 2 & 3, without ever really delivering any criticism of one another. Jay labeled bob as "not a town read" after I came up with my initial Bob case, but that suspicion fell completely off the map afterwards. Until Day 4, when suddenly bob was apparently highly confident in Jay's badness; confident enough to attack another player (DDL) for appearing to defend Jay, but somehow not confident enough to vote for him on his own. Jay, meanwhile, offered an ISO that was far more critical of bob than he had been prior and even made one point in particular that was directly opposed to a stance he had taken earlier in the game, when presumably BaddieJimmyJay would have wanted to keep his partners out of harm's way. I could not help but sense a shift in the way each of them approached one another on Night 3/Day 4.
Sig was the low-posting suspect who Jay repeatedly named, but never pursued in any serious manner. Dom/malakim and sprityo/dunya were both players who Jay actively tried to lynch at one point or another.
I agree with much of what you have to say about wilgy, but I do not disregard the possibility that the two of them as partners conspired to maximize the distance between them in the thread. It would have been fairly elaborate, but that's not something I would put past either of them.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
I don't blame you, so I gave the abridged version.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
That I've come up with colonialbob as my primary suspect on two different occasions and based upon two totally separate lines of investigation in this game is borderline overwhelming. At this point I'll be shocked if he's town and I'll owe him a tremendous apology.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
That's what I said That's what I have been saying since the first dayJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:24 amEpi's accusation was not that LC was trying to lynch him and he'd flip scum. His accusation was that LC was trying to mislynch him. Also, I use this word as a townie when talking about other people.dunya wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:23 pm I don't care what you'll all say about that "mislynch" episode, but the fact is: Epi's post was all about lynching him (sure, mislynch was implied, but even EPI who is sure of his own towniness didn't use that word....), LC responded by using "lynch" too, because LC believes Epi would be a lynching not a mislynch. If Jack really believed Epi was scum, then lynching him wouldn't be a mislynch.
... Jack has a lot of other question marks around him. ...
Quin seems town.
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Fake.
What other question marks?
No, Quin seems incredibly bad. Why do you think he looks good?
Those examples make sense in context, of course we've all used the word mislynch. The example I was referring to, when calling Epi lynch (your suspect's lynch) a mislynch, is not. The fact you pulled those examples to justify your post here is kinda looking worse on you imo.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
"You're not Nightblue."Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:05 am That I've come up with colonialbob as my primary suspect on two different occasions and based upon two totally separate lines of investigation in this game is borderline overwhelming. At this point I'll be shocked if he's town and I'll owe him a tremendous apology.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
scenario 1:
Long Con
5
29%
Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii
nutella
6
35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
speedchuck + Jack mafia team with nutella (and Jay). one of Jack and speed is Sutter Buttes imo.
it would have been 5/5 at the end of the day and according to Marmot, no lynch is the result of a tie at the end of Day 1.
Percentage I think is possible: high percentage.
Going through alternative scenarios....
Long Con
5
29%
Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii
nutella
6
35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
speedchuck + Jack mafia team with nutella (and Jay). one of Jack and speed is Sutter Buttes imo.
it would have been 5/5 at the end of the day and according to Marmot, no lynch is the result of a tie at the end of Day 1.
Percentage I think is possible: high percentage.
Going through alternative scenarios....
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
scenario 2:
Long Con
5
29%
Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii
nutella
6
35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
one of Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii are Everest.
it would have been 6/6 at the end of the day and according to Marmot, no lynch is the result of a tie at the end of Day 1.
Percentage I think is possible: likely, but less likely imo. Why? Because both scenarios so for dont clear nutella without question to me.
Jay was one of the most vocal -- okay "nutella is 100% town" after end of day 1 - which is weird. Even weirder is that there was no nutella death till now (I hate to be that person but, yeah). Nutella's reaction to surviving Day 1 was....not as authentic as I imagined someone who really thought it was a done deal. Night 1, Night 2, Night 3 -- no nutella kill. They killed Daisy instead.
Going through alternative scenarios....
Long Con
5
29%
Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii
nutella
6
35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
one of Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii are Everest.
it would have been 6/6 at the end of the day and according to Marmot, no lynch is the result of a tie at the end of Day 1.
Percentage I think is possible: likely, but less likely imo. Why? Because both scenarios so for dont clear nutella without question to me.
Jay was one of the most vocal -- okay "nutella is 100% town" after end of day 1 - which is weird. Even weirder is that there was no nutella death till now (I hate to be that person but, yeah). Nutella's reaction to surviving Day 1 was....not as authentic as I imagined someone who really thought it was a done deal. Night 1, Night 2, Night 3 -- no nutella kill. They killed Daisy instead.
Going through alternative scenarios....
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
scenario 3:
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Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii
nutella
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35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
nutella is Aconcagua and survived the first attempt on her life.
Percentage I think is possible: highly unlikely. I definitely feel one of two no night kills was defended by Aconcagua.
Going through alternative scenarios....
Long Con
5
29%
Voters: Elohcin, colonialbob, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii
nutella
6
35%
Voters: sprityo, speedchuck, Jackofhearts2005, Long Con, Quin, Dragon D. Luffy
Quin
nutella is Aconcagua and survived the first attempt on her life.
Percentage I think is possible: highly unlikely. I definitely feel one of two no night kills was defended by Aconcagua.
Going through alternative scenarios....
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
I'm sorry to drag this up again, but nutella's eod 4 reactions towards Jay was clear bussing to me imo. So I want to see how much weight my theory holds. Feel free to correct any misinformation I have gathered.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
wait I have an idea. [mention]Marmot[/mention], does the little mountain who hides with Sutter Buttes have to vote along side whoever Sutter Buttes voted for?
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
*powers up ring*colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:22 am"You're not Nightblue."Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:05 am That I've come up with colonialbob as my primary suspect on two different occasions and based upon two totally separate lines of investigation in this game is borderline overwhelming. At this point I'll be shocked if he's town and I'll owe him a tremendous apology.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
Your town games were all considerably shorter than your mafia games. I can't really decide.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:57 pm Also Dunya, when you find my best town game, let me know. I'd like to make a point about it. If you go that far.
Phenon - 3P(anti-town tho)
Gatsby - Town
Blue Velvet - Dog (town)
Search for Quin - Town
Pirate - Scum
Night Vale -0 Scum
SF2 - town
Pokemon - town
Elemental - LMS
Chicka Chicka 123 - LMS
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
If you don't ignore ridiculously scummy behavior, there are well more suspects that deserve immediate lynch than there are remaining baddies. Bob is not one of them.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:12 pm I regret not pursuing colonialbob more over the last couple of days. I never heard a good argument in favor of him being town and I haven't changed my mind on him. Digging through Jay Mountain only strengthened my read. Does anybody have an argument for colonialbob to be town?
I don't particularly see Bob teamed with Jimmy.
I certainly don't see him teamed with my suspects Speedchuck and Sloonei.
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Re: Mountain Mafia [NIGHT 4]
day 1 happened before any night powers were active yet so many options weren't on the table.