Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[Sloonei]

Nobody gets an automatic pass. Passes have to be earned.

If you're building a roof (presumably for someone to fiddle on), and you've hired sixteen men to build it, but you are informed that three of those men are intent on destroying the roof, whom do you fire first?

Is it somebody whom you see working very hard on the construction, or someone who looks like he doesn't care about the roof?

If you fire the first guy first, and he wasn't planning to destroy the roof, then you've lost a good worker on the basis of the least evidence. If you fire the second guy, then you've lost someone who...looks like he doesn't care about the roof.

How have I earned this pass while Sloonei has failed to earn it?

Sloonei has done nothing in my estimation except pound Kylemii into the ground. We both played Vocaroo Too! Mafia, and I expressed why I think Kylemii is civilian. Sloonei, to my knowledge, has not commented on Kylemii's tone were he to read his posts in Kylemii's voice.* Furthermore, Sloonei quickly called me good. Should he have done so? And on what basis?

*Granted, I have not read Sloonei's novel on Kylemii, which I will do so shortly.

So you're 100% certain kyle is town?

[MacDougall]

Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.

Your clone.

Jesus.

[Sloonei]

There's a 0% chance the wagon on me is comprised exclusively of civilians.

That's... that's just not true. There is absolutely a nonzero chance of that. Maybe Ephraim can teach you chess and probability.

why am I scum?

[MacDougall]

Fucks sake. This lynch sucks.

[Sloonei]

Fucks sake. This lynch sucks.

It does indeed. Get these people to vote for Daisy.

[nutella]

Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.

Indeed. So many double standards. So many contradictions. This is mafia at its finest.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.

Your clone.

Jesus.

I do not see how you can really believe in that statement for my sake and not also believe in it for his. That statement doesn't even refer to this game. It's a broad reference to the effort I am likely to give when civilian. Sloonei doesn't have to be my identical clone, but if he's a civilian he's certainly an "active, vocal, passionate mafia hunter", is he not?

[Long Con]

I would be a remarkably stupid lynch right now.

I am not moved much by Epi's case on you. Also, this post from you is believable to me. I'd save your life.

[DrWilgy]

CFD Kyle!!!!

[MacDougall]

Epi wagon has civ reads of mine on it.

Sloonei wagon has scum reads of mine on it.

But I don't want to lynch either.

[nutella]

which I will do so shortly.

Your kid's teaching schedule is getting pretty full.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Voted Daisy

[Sloonei]

I would prefer to be voting for Daisy over Epi right now. I might still prefer to vote for Kyle too. I'm not sure.

[MacDougall]

Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.

[nutella]

Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.

Your clone.

Jesus.

Jesus is Jay's clone?

[Sloonei]

Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.

Indeed. So many double standards. So many contradictions. This is mafia at its finest.

what does this mean to you?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei still cares about who dies in his place because he is invested in more about this lynch than "not me".

[Sloonei]

Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.

how so?

[Long Con]

I would prefer to be voting for Daisy over Epi right now. I might still prefer to vote for Kyle too. I'm not sure.

Kylemii
Sloonei
Epignosis
Daisy

[Epignosis]

I mean, look at this contradiction. Zero people have commented on this:

"pretty sure this particular lie was just a standard mafia ploy" again that's false. I said I was pretty sure he was lying cus factually speaking there were no consistencies between this game and sc2. The reasoning was still unknown.

Hmmmmm?

i actually kinda assumed you were lying for standard day zero jay-prod purposes?

Does no one else see why I feel bad about this?

I am out of context and don't know what the problem here is.

On Day 0 Kyle made the statement that "Jay was lying for standard day zero prod purposes." A couple of hours ago he denied this and claimed that he thought Jay was lying because there were "no consistencies" in his argument.

"Civilians never contradict themselves."

Kyle appeared to be denying a thing he verifiably did say when I used it in an accusation against him. That's shady.
Tell me what my mafia motivation for any of the things I've done is.

I have literally never seen you gun this hard for someone on Day 1.

It looks like bullshit to me. I'm calling it.

My vote stays. I don't care if I get lynched.

[speedchuck]

Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.

Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.

[MacDougall]

Epi seems not to care about his possible demise. Sloonei does. I think if one is scum it's Sloonei but I don't think he is.

We should be lynching Kylemii.

[MacDougall]

Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.

Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.

I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.

[speedchuck]

Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.

Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.

I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.

Ah, okay. I thought you were posting an ultimatum

[Sloonei]

I mean, look at this contradiction. Zero people have commented on this:

Hmmmmm?

Does no one else see why I feel bad about this?

I am out of context and don't know what the problem here is.

On Day 0 Kyle made the statement that "Jay was lying for standard day zero prod purposes." A couple of hours ago he denied this and claimed that he thought Jay was lying because there were "no consistencies" in his argument.

"Civilians never contradict themselves."

Kyle appeared to be denying a thing he verifiably did say when I used it in an accusation against him. That's shady.
Tell me what my mafia motivation for any of the things I've done is.

I have literally never seen you gun this hard for someone on Day 1.

It looks like bullshit to me. I'm calling it.

My vote stays. I don't care if I get lynched.

So my mafia strategy is to do a thing that's completely off character and limiting?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have literally never seen you gun this hard for someone on Day 1.

It looks like bullshit to me. I'm calling it.

My vote stays. I don't care if I get lynched.

I have literally never seen you gun this hard for someone on Day 1.

It looks like bullshit to me. I'm calling it.

My vote stays. I don't care if I get lynched.

I have literally never seen you gun this hard for someone on Day 1.

It looks like bullshit to me. I'm calling it.

My vote stays. I don't care if I get lynched.

[MacDougall]

Sloonei still cares about who dies in his place because he is invested in more about this lynch than "not me".

I read that the other way.

[Sloonei]

Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.

Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.

I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.

I wouldn't. She's trying to get me lynched. Just put yourself in my shoes and be absolved.

[MacDougall]

Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.

Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.

I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.

Nah man they are here to defend and she isn't. I had that happen to me and it sucks.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Concern about Daisy: she projected a random vote, which given her circumstances would be understandable. She then backed away from that random vote and actually gave a reason for voting for Sloonei (contingent upon trusting Kyle), who at the time happened to be gaining his most heat of the game to that point. The timing is dubious.

[MacDougall]

Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.

Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.

I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.

I wouldn't. She's trying to get me lynched. Just put yourself in my shoes and be absolved.

Scum don't get lynched like that. It's too easy.

One of you is probably Mafia. The EOD intensity feels like a potential hit.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.

Your clone.

Jesus.

I do not see how you can really believe in that statement for my sake and not also believe in it for his. That statement doesn't even refer to this game. It's a broad reference to the effort I am likely to give when civilian. Sloonei doesn't have to be my identical clone, but if he's a civilian he's certainly an "active, vocal, passionate mafia hunter", is he not?

I have zero reasons to believe Sloonei is good. You planted a target on Kylemii that Sloonei would have no way of pursuing had you not done so. He's followed it up with a mighty meaty case. Did you read it? What did it make you think of Kyle? Are you two married? What are you guys, ika and Silverwolf?

[Sloonei]

Epi your suspicion against me is bogus. It's not even a misinterpretation. You're just applying reasoning that does not make sense.

[Long Con]

Concern about Daisy: she projected a random vote, which given her circumstances would be understandable. She then backed away from that random vote and actually gave a reason for voting for Sloonei (contingent upon trusting Kyle), who at the time happened to be gaining his most heat of the game to that point. The timing is dubious.

That's why she's the bottom of the rainbow list I made.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have zero reasons to believe Sloonei is good. You planted a target on Kylemii that Sloonei would have no way of pursuing had you not done so. He's followed it up with a mighty meaty case. Did you read it? What did it make you think of Kyle? Are you two married? What are you guys, ika and Silverwolf?

I don't agree with him on Kyle, no. Why does a mafia Sloonei need to go to that much trouble to attack one dude? What's the agenda? Recall that Sloonei himself faced no significant pressure in this thread prior to that case.

[Kylemii]

Sloonei can you give a reason beyond spacedaisy voting for you for me to move my vote to her?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.

Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.

I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.

I wouldn't. She's trying to get me lynched. Just put yourself in my shoes and be absolved.

Scum don't get lynched like that. It's too easy.

One of you is probably Mafia. The EOD intensity feels like a potential hit.

You're still planted on Spacedaisy. Why?

[Sloonei]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] whatcha gonna do with that vote?

[Kylemii]

Sloonei can you give a reason beyond spacedaisy voting for you for me to move my vote to her?

or anyone for that matter

[MacDougall]

Daisy is an easy and unfair lynch too now. It has to be one of you imo.

Ooh, I never like this thing. Mac read dropping.

I would feel bad for her. Thats all there is to the comment.

I wouldn't. She's trying to get me lynched. Just put yourself in my shoes and be absolved.

Scum don't get lynched like that. It's too easy.

One of you is probably Mafia. The EOD intensity feels like a potential hit.

You're still planted on Spacedaisy. Why?

I am undecided.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei can you give a reason beyond spacedaisy voting for you for me to move my vote to her?

Spoiler: show

Daisy's four posts, with reasons why Sloonei dislikes them:

This is an emoji. There are no words in this post. Daisy is implying excitement about the game. Daisy is not saying anything though.

If I may make an observation, regarding the setup:

Tevye can get BTSC with his daughters. In doing so, he can confirm them town to himself. So that's neat.

However, if he doesn't search for them, the town gains a cop in the match-maker. Match-maker can search for BTSC, which would (if Tevye doesn't submit actions) only be held by the mafia.

We trade off a BTSC-finder and a town searcher/btsc/lover thing for a cop. Does anyone think this is a good idea?

This is interesting. I need to think on this because traditionally I've always viewed civs with BTSC as one of the strongest things the civs can have...

Daisy starts this post off by saying nothing. Then in the middle, she says nothing. She ends it by saying nothing with an ellipsis.

Ok, holy shit ya'll! I left for work and thought maybe I could slowly catch up on the last three pages. Now there are ten more. There is no way I can catch up with this before the day ends so I'm probably going to random vote between the people earning votes.

Daisy comments on the activity of the game. Daisy then vows to cast a vote which will be attributed to the work of others, referring it as "random".

Let me rephrase this, I am not casting a random vote. That was poorly chosen wording. I am going to cast my vote on someone who already, butnot randomly. I really would like to vote the same way as Kyle for two reasons. As far as I was caught up (only page 9) I felt like Sloonei's behavior around Kyle/Jay in the first few pages was the most shady. In particular the long post where he did one word characterizations of Kyles posts. I can expand on this more after work but I just don't have the time now. I also trust Kyle more than any other after the half the thread I've read, so the fact his vote is there too makes me feel that much more confident in my vote. I only wish more people would consider a vote there.

Daisy corrects her wording from before, because saying a vote is "random" is a bad look. Daisy puts a vote on me and hides behind Kyle. Then Daisy leaves.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis gave me a pass because I'm a shitty Day 1 lynch.

"Because if I'm good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch somebody."

So instead we lynch Sloonei.

My clone.

Moved my vote.

Your clone.

Jesus.

Jesus is Jay's clone?

Makes sense.

Water into WIFOM.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei, your top four civilian reads GO

[Kylemii]

Jay thoughts on daisy go

[speedchuck]

I'm gone. Leaving my vote on Daisy, as it were.

If you guys want to lynch one of the big town players, whether it be Sloon, Epi, Kylemii... heck, even me or JJJ, go ahead. Try to get the support. I'm not able to tell which one of you is full of crap without flips to go on. Whatever happens, happens. I kinda hope that you do lynch someone other than Daisy, if there's a little more consensus.

Because...

That will give us some IN FOR MAI SHI OHN

[Epignosis]

I have literally never seen you gun this hard for someone on Day 1.

It looks like bullshit to me. I'm calling it.

My vote stays. I don't care if I get lynched.

I have literally never seen you gun this hard for someone on Day 1.

It looks like bullshit to me. I'm calling it.

My vote stays. I don't care if I get lynched.

I have literally never seen you gun this hard for someone on Day 1.

It looks like bullshit to me. I'm calling it.

My vote stays. I don't care if I get lynched.

You really should get your mouse fixed. You made a word I used correctly three times bigger than it needs to be.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, your top four civilian reads GO

Speedchuck, you, Mac, FZ

Although mac's current treatment of daisy will look bad if she is scum.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay thoughts on daisy go

Concern about Daisy: she projected a random vote, which given her circumstances would be understandable. She then backed away from that random vote and actually gave a reason for voting for Sloonei (contingent upon trusting Kyle), who at the time happened to be gaining his most heat of the game to that point. The timing is dubious.

[MacDougall]

Sloonei, your top four civilian reads GO

Speedchuck, you, Mac, FZ

Although mac's current treatment of daisy will look bad if she is scum.

My vote is still on her.

[Kylemii]

okay.