Fiddler on the Roof Mafia

[Sloonei]

we'll get up on that roof for you, nutella.

[MacDougall]

Bizarre kill. Nutella is someone who was relatively lynchable if this game lasts another couple of day phases. Jimmy just turned his attention towards her. You've got Sloonei, Epi, Jimmy all looking nigh unlynchable... tinfoil aplenty.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I die tonight I'd suggest trying Kyle first. I think he's a really decent candidate and looked like teammate-compatible for both Lorab and LC for multiple reasons.

WIFOM kill. Hi Marmot.

[Marmot]

I propose that we all shut up for Day 4 and make the POE suspects (NVN, Daisy, Marmot, & Wilgy) figure it out on their own.

I propose the lynch of Sloonei for this ridiculous strategy.

[Marmot]

"These are my suspects. I want them to lynch other while I kick back and sit some tea."

Thanks but no thanks.

[Sloonei]

"These are my suspects. I want them to lynch other while I kick back and sit some tea."

Thanks but no thanks.

Who do you think it is?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MacDougall cares about Putin's roof. That's how much he cares about a roof. If anybody needs me to explain why, I will.

I'm interested.

[DFaraday]

rip nutella

"To make it clear that our Empire will have none of it, I've arranged a...demonstration here tonight."

......was Russia an empire?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire

[Marmot]

"These are my suspects. I want them to lynch other while I kick back and sit some tea."

Thanks but no thanks.

Who do you think it is?

Putin's Roof.

[Sloonei]

"These are my suspects. I want them to lynch other while I kick back and sit some tea."

Thanks but no thanks.

Who do you think it is?

Putin's Roof.

Vote for someone. It can't be me.

[Sloonei]

My two biggest suspects today have each cast votes: a silent vote from one against the other (NVN on Marmot) and a silly, stubborn one that's probably not even fully related to this game (Marmot on me). I don't know what to do with either of these things.

[Marmot]

I think nova is clearly the final mafia.

Spoiler: show

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

U

Expected better reads from you man. I think it's really obvious what happened to me this cycle and what my alignment is.

In this post, he claimed to exhibit a pattern of behavior yesterday. That pattern seems to be being forced to make a case and vote for me.

Nova is still voting for me today. That means he thinks that I forced him to make a case on and vote for me yesterday. I don't think he believes that happened. I think he self-inflicted that punishment.

[Sloonei]

I think nova is clearly the final mafia.

Spoiler: show

Where's the Long Con defender?

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

U

Expected better reads from you man. I think it's really obvious what happened to me this cycle and what my alignment is.

In this post, he claimed to exhibit a pattern of behavior yesterday. That pattern seems to be being forced to make a case and vote for me.

Nova is still voting for me today. That means he thinks that I forced him to make a case on and vote for me yesterday. I don't think he believes that happened. I think he self-inflicted that punishment.

That post from nova threw me off for sure. I'd been at work all day and I came in with that half-hearted jab, and his response was to imply there was some vindicating truth about him in the thread. I wondered if maybe I'd missed something. Now that I've been here and had time to look at things, I'm no closer to understanding what he was talking about.

[Marmot]

I think nova is clearly the final mafia.

Spoiler: show

She's dead.

And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.

Who might that be ?

U

Expected better reads from you man. I think it's really obvious what happened to me this cycle and what my alignment is.

In this post, he claimed to exhibit a pattern of behavior yesterday. That pattern seems to be being forced to make a case and vote for me.

Nova is still voting for me today. That means he thinks that I forced him to make a case on and vote for me yesterday. I don't think he believes that happened. I think he self-inflicted that punishment.

That post from nova threw me off for sure. I'd been at work all day and I came in with that half-hearted jab, and his response was to imply there was some vindicating truth about him in the thread. I wondered if maybe I'd missed something. Now that I've been here and had time to look at things, I'm no closer to understanding what he was talking about.

After suggesting that Long Con was mafia he made a case and voted for me.

I imagine one of those two behaviors are what he is pointing at.



Also of note, nova had 4 posts before Day 3, 20 posts on Day 3, and 0 posts since then. My inclination is that this was a last ditch effort to save Long Con and the mafia team.

[Sloonei]

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention], got anything to say at all?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll give NVN his opportunity to say his piece.

[Spacedaisy]

I am concerned. I just went back and looked over Marmot and yesterday he was hard after Mac for a while, but then when NVN started his silliness he changed gears not immediately but slowly, since then he has pretty much abandoned Mac, with little mention and no indication he had changed his mind that I could see. At first he seemed inclined to dismiss what NVN said. But it seemed he took it more seriously as it became more talked about. Then he comes in today and makes an assertion I have never seen before from him. It worries me that I might be wrong about him being 3P and he's riding the wave of anti-NVN sentiment.

[mention]Marmot[/mention] Have you changed your opinion of Mac? I take it you believe LC vs. NVN yesterday was late distancing?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Then he comes in today and makes an assertion I have never seen before from him.

What's that?

[novaselinenever]

I don't really have anything to say. You guys to what you think is best. Even by mislynching today, we could still win comfortably.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't really have anything to say. You guys to what you think is best. Even by mislynching today, we could still win comfortably.

What do you think of Marmot?

[Sloonei]

I don't really have anything to say. You guys to what you think is best. Even by mislynching today, we could still win comfortably.

You're the third person to use this defense.
why did you vote for marmot?

linki: yeah that

[Marmot]

I am concerned. I just went back and looked over Marmot and yesterday he was hard after Mac for a while, but then when NVN started his silliness he changed gears not immediately but slowly, since then he has pretty much abandoned Mac, with little mention and no indication he had changed his mind that I could see. At first he seemed inclined to dismiss what NVN said. But it seemed he took it more seriously as it became more talked about. Then he comes in today and makes an assertion I have never seen before from him. It worries me that I might be wrong about him being 3P and he's riding the wave of anti-NVN sentiment.

@Marmot Have you changed your opinion of Mac? I take it you believe LC vs. NVN yesterday was late distancing?

Yes and yes.

I admit that I've probably stubbornly pursued Mac in hopes of being right.

There's only one mafia left. I think it's more likely nova than Mac.

[Sloonei]

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

NVN, this was your response when I asked for your thoughts about Mac and Marmot. The first paragraph implies that you think they are mafia partners, but the premise of this post and your second paragraph insist that they are one mafia and one 3rd party player. I don't understand how these thoughts align with one another. Can you help me out here?

[novaselinenever]

I have him as the last Mafia. He was going back and forth with Mac and had his vote on him but when I voted him last day phase, he jumped the wagon on me. He dropped his case against Mac. He's probably seeing me as an easy way to get a mislynch.

[novaselinenever]

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

NVN, this was your response when I asked for your thoughts about Mac and Marmot. The first paragraph implies that you think they are mafia partners, but the premise of this post and your second paragraph insist that they are one mafia and one 3rd party player. I don't understand how these thoughts align with one another. Can you help me out here?

It's when Marmot stopped going after Mac and jumped the wagon on me. He saw me as an easy mislynch and tried to save LC, his scum buddy. He's still going on this day phase and stopped completely his quarrel against Mac.

[Sloonei]

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

NVN, this was your response when I asked for your thoughts about Mac and Marmot. The first paragraph implies that you think they are mafia partners, but the premise of this post and your second paragraph insist that they are one mafia and one 3rd party player. I don't understand how these thoughts align with one another. Can you help me out here?

It's when Marmot stopped going after Mac and jumped the wagon on me. He saw me as an easy mislynch and tried to save LC, his scum buddy. He's still going on this day phase and stopped completely his quarrel against Mac.

That's not something you talked about at all in this post. Your accusation in this post was that Marmot is 3rd party. How does that align with you calling him a scum read for his pursuit of you right now?

[Sloonei]

I have him as the last Mafia. He was going back and forth with Mac and had his vote on him but when I voted him last day phase, he jumped the wagon on me. He dropped his case against Mac. He's probably seeing me as an easy way to get a mislynch.

why am I not the last mafia?

[Marmot]

I have him as the last Mafia. He was going back and forth with Mac and had his vote on him but when I voted him last day phase, he jumped the wagon on me. He dropped his case against Mac. He's probably seeing me as an easy way to get a mislynch.

That's not true. You had me as a 3P read,

Spoiler: show

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

Then I voted for you,

Spoiler: show

Putting my vote on NVN

I also have to leave now. If y'all aren't lynching me, put your votes somewhere where they matter. K thanks!

I had not dropped the Mac case, I even discussed it ~10 minutes before my vote for you.

Spoiler: show

I think nova is mafia.

Long Con could be mafia.

But I've got a solid gut feeling that one of the more perceptive players in this game is the other mafia member. In that shortlist, I would include MacDougall, Jay, and Sloonei.



That's where I'm

And then your first mafia read of me, and a vote, came later on.

Spoiler: show

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

*looks at poll*

I think it's best to lynch Marmot. I've been re-reading the thread and my vote will be on him.

[Spacedaisy]

This was the first post he addressed to the NVN situation:

Spoiler: show

Huh. Sudden burst of content from NVN heavily pushing an LC lynch. Very odd.

I'm feeling pretty confident in an LC lynch at the moment and voting accordingly.

Just clearing my name. Sloonei asked to hear from me, I delivered. But it's all I have so far.

For some reason I believe this. I'm gullible.

I feel similarly.

A follow-up from Long Con would help this read.

This was the second:

Spoiler: show

But actually real talk why is Nova voting LC? See, I thought Nova was our info role, but I had also considered the possibility that he's LC's teammate trying some hardcore bussing strategy. That would be pretty wild and daring but like... if he knows LC is bad why isn't he voting for LC? Does he think the 3p is a bigger threat at the moment?

I've voting novacaine for this same reason.

If I'm a third party, why vote for me?

I thought perhaps something had changed in the conversation around NVN during that time, but nothing did. In fact it doesn't seem to have been discussed aside from the one post from nutella that he quoted. The only thing of note aside from that post that changed was Jay's "oopsie" vote for Marmot.

Interestingly, he does try to undermine the PoE by shaking at the people getting universal town reads too.

But I've got a solid gut feeling that one of the more perceptive players in this game is the other mafia member. In that shortlist, I would include MacDougall, Jay, and Sloonei.

Any idea what gives you that vibe?

Your oopsie.

And then this:

Spoiler: show

Wondering if the mafia team is just LC and NVN and this is that easy.

Here have a vote.

Why is that easy? Why would nova come into the thread, suggest info on his teammate, and vote for someone he think is independent?

But he came in today with a confident assertion that NVN is bad. It just worries me that I've misread him.

linki [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] I have never seen him or anyone make the assertion NVN was forced to make a case against Marmot.

[novaselinenever]

I have him as the last Mafia. He was going back and forth with Mac and had his vote on him but when I voted him last day phase, he jumped the wagon on me. He dropped his case against Mac. He's probably seeing me as an easy way to get a mislynch.

That's not true. You had me as a 3P read,

Spoiler: show

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

Then I voted for you,

Spoiler: show

Putting my vote on NVN

I also have to leave now. If y'all aren't lynching me, put your votes somewhere where they matter. K thanks!

I had not dropped the Mac case, I even discussed it ~10 minutes before my vote for you.

Spoiler: show

I think nova is mafia.

Long Con could be mafia.

But I've got a solid gut feeling that one of the more perceptive players in this game is the other mafia member. In that shortlist, I would include MacDougall, Jay, and Sloonei.



That's where I'm

And then your first mafia read of me, and a vote, came later on.

Spoiler: show

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

*looks at poll*

I think it's best to lynch Marmot. I've been re-reading the thread and my vote will be on him.

Yes, I had you as 3rd Party and Mac as Mafia. But when you jumped the wagon on me, that read changed. Since then, you dropped the case on him and have been going hard against me. All because I voted for you and people were suspicious of me. Imo, you saw me as an easy mislynch target and you still do.

Right now, you're not even defending yourself as a Townie. You're accepting my read on you as a 3rd Party, just not the read that have you as Mafia.

[Sloonei]

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] what's your read on spacedaisy?

[DrWilgy]

@novaselinenever @Marmot @DrWilgy @Spacedaisy Tell us who should be lynched today. I'm pretty sure it's one of you four. Help me figure out which one by not being it.

Fuck it. Kill the Marmot.

[Spacedaisy]

we're also going to have to figure out what to do with NVN sooner or later. He seems to be stretched pretty thin mafia-wise, and it doesn't appear that he's going to dump a load of content on us any time soon. His spot seems doomed to sit around in single-digit posts for this game. As the POE pool continues to shrink, his spot does not budge.

The only info I would have is that I think you guys are right about LC, but wrong about him. He reads Mafia and I don't see any case being made of him as Town

Mac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party

I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?

I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

*looks at poll*

Marmot, he's telling the truth that he voted you first. It was unclear because he didn't state his vote in thread. So it would appear I was wrong, the only things that changed between that first post where you were believing him to the second one where you voted him was nutella lone post and a vote from both Jay and NVN.

[Spacedaisy]

omg your new avatar is weirding me out Wilgy, lol

[DrWilgy]

omg your new avatar is weirding me out Wilgy, lol

Lol, ty?

[Spacedaisy]

Voting Marmot for now.

Linki: You're welcome, weird definitely suits you.

[Sloonei]

@novaselinenever @Marmot @DrWilgy @Spacedaisy Tell us who should be lynched today. I'm pretty sure it's one of you four. Help me figure out which one by not being it.

Fuck it. Kill the Marmot.

Why?

[FZ.]

Hmm, interesting thoughts about Marmot. I was coming in ready to vote for NVN, but this got me doubting it

[FZ.]

I'm going to vote Marmot for now, because I like NVN's defense. I want to hear more from him

[FZ.]

Is Marmot the kind of player that would vote a team mate without a problem?

[Marmot]

I won't really be around the rest of the day, but hey at least I got my wish in getting lynched.

[Marmot]

This was the first post he addressed to the NVN situation:

Spoiler: show

Huh. Sudden burst of content from NVN heavily pushing an LC lynch. Very odd.

I'm feeling pretty confident in an LC lynch at the moment and voting accordingly.

Just clearing my name. Sloonei asked to hear from me, I delivered. But it's all I have so far.

For some reason I believe this. I'm gullible.

I feel similarly.

A follow-up from Long Con would help this read.

This was the second:

Spoiler: show

But actually real talk why is Nova voting LC? See, I thought Nova was our info role, but I had also considered the possibility that he's LC's teammate trying some hardcore bussing strategy. That would be pretty wild and daring but like... if he knows LC is bad why isn't he voting for LC? Does he think the 3p is a bigger threat at the moment?

I've voting novacaine for this same reason.

If I'm a third party, why vote for me?

I thought perhaps something had changed in the conversation around NVN during that time, but nothing did. In fact it doesn't seem to have been discussed aside from the one post from nutella that he quoted. The only thing of note aside from that post that changed was Jay's "oopsie" vote for Marmot.

Interestingly, he does try to undermine the PoE by shaking at the people getting universal town reads too.

But I've got a solid gut feeling that one of the more perceptive players in this game is the other mafia member. In that shortlist, I would include MacDougall, Jay, and Sloonei.

Any idea what gives you that vibe?

Your oopsie.

And then this:

Spoiler: show

Wondering if the mafia team is just LC and NVN and this is that easy.

Here have a vote.

Why is that easy? Why would nova come into the thread, suggest info on his teammate, and vote for someone he think is independent?

But he came in today with a confident assertion that NVN is bad. It just worries me that I've misread him.

linki @JaggedJimmyJay I have never seen him or anyone make the assertion NVN was forced to make a case against Marmot.

I'm allowed to change my mind for crying out loud.

I could have continued to be a stubborn fool and voted Mac, and you probably wouldn't care.

I took a step back and realized that I just might be wrong. It was more evident when two mafia were lynched consecutively and I had nothing to do with it.



And yesterday, I stated my observation on nova. I waited around for a response from him. Or Long Con. I didn't hear anything more so I put my vote there. Even if his vote did occur before mine, it doesn't make much sense for a vote.

[Sloonei]

Is Marmot the kind of player that would vote a team mate without a problem?

I think so.

[Marmot]

Is Marmot the kind of player that would vote a team mate without a problem?

I most definitely would.

[DrWilgy]

Marmot is my lover. I can't kill him. Apparently FZ has it out for him though.


Based mobile bugs

[Marmot]

You should get that checked out FZ.

[Marmot]

Right now, you're not even defending yourself as a Townie. You're accepting my read on you as a 3rd Party, just not the read that have you as Mafia.

I don't know how dangerous the third party is or see any problem with being read that way.

[MacDougall]

I'm voting for the Marmot. Nova is cuter.

[Marmot]

Lol ok

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think we should double lynch them.