Pikachu Tribe - Day 9

[speedchuck]

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

i'm inclined to vote him because of said slip so i'd appreciate an elaboration on this

If me saying that the other thread has a lynch (crazy me, assuming that the GoC is a mafia game, and assuming that the tribes are balanced fairly) gets me lynched, I will have a new low standard for successful mafia cases.

[DharmaHelper]

Spoiler: show

DDL:

Post #1: Excuses a future lack of activity. Not alignment indicative.
Post #2: Corrects the number of roles in another game.
Posts #3-#17: Anti-round-robin. Even suggests lynching himself, saying that would be better than round robin. Despite saying that he sent in a haiku earlier. No hunting in this, just a suggestion that people hunt. I don't disagree with his posts, but they contain nothing that makes me think 'town' either. A common tactic I use as scum is arguing fervently against a scumhunting tactic, which makes me look good without doing scumhunting.
Post #18: Off-topic comment about epi.
Post #19: Comment about the setup, that mafia might have non-btsc players that defect to town.
Post #20: Votes speedchuck for being low-key (I hadn't posted much at the time.)
Post #21: Calls back to post #1, signs off.
Post #22-#23: Continues arguing about alignment changes.
Post #24: Casts shade on LC for being proactive, since LC's past 3 town games have been lackluster.
Post #25: Clarifies that he argued with Cbob (our unlynchable D6 target), but doesn't scumread him or townread him
Post #26: Says that votes jumping around at EOD isn't suspicious as of late.
Post #27: calls nutella out on a 'slip' where she said Sprit was town instead of 'Epi thinks sprit is town.'
Post #28: Throws away DH's observations about the Quin lynch, says the reasoning was logical, suspects speedchuck anyway because 'gut'
Post #29: Is flattered by nutella calling him a high contributor
Post #30: Jokes about rainbow-ing unrelated players in... the other tribe I think?
Post #31: "Game has a good ratio of players posting" - off topic
Post #32: Again states that people changing votes at EOD is normal.
Post #33: Still feeling bad about speedchuck but not as bad as D1 (How does this make sense?) Feels worse about nutella. (okay then. The slip? Why?) Votes nutella. Eggplant.
Post #34: More excusing EOD vote changes.

This is a summary of DDL's posts, with very little commentary. I greened the off-topic stuff and colored the mechanic speculation. Previewedit: Ugh those colors clash.

Where is DDL's head at? What has he done, other than
-throw shade
-excuse any actual actions in this game
-feel bad about people

At least cBob has called people out on specific things. DDL has not taken any action, post, or omission in this game and called it scummy.

Is this what you mean by extrapolating or whatever the word you used was? He doesn't make any point here. He just summarizes DDL's posts to justify a vote for him. It's a big, color coded post though, so is it supposed to be kosher?

IDK. What is Speedchuck accusing DDL of here? What is Speedchuck's aim? To borrow a phrase, what has speedchuck done other than summarize a guys posts and claim he's doing things that Chuck himself is arguably guilty of?

You say this like Dom didn’t do something similar with quoting every single Speedchuck post and summarizing it

Nobody asked me about Dom's post.

Why point out one thing and throw shade but not address something that’s essentially the exact same? That seems pretty lowly

I don't see your point.

[sprityo]

My point being you’re being a sort of biased against speedchuck. It’s like you’re not taking into account other players and focusing, tunneling onto one person.

Maybe that’s how you play, but I try to keep a constant updating view of as many players as I can handle

[Quin]

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

i'm inclined to vote him because of said slip so i'd appreciate an elaboration on this

If me saying that the other thread has a lynch (crazy me, assuming that the GoC is a mafia game, and assuming that the tribes are balanced fairly) gets me lynched, I will have a new low standard for successful mafia cases.

Here's the original post:

Maybe the mafia is spread across tribes and the only nightkill was over there?

But no, they had a lynch as well.

I am thinking there was a failed nightkill on Pikaside.

You were talking about how the mafia team was spread across both tribes. I just don't understand the "but no" qualifier. I'll take it back as a scum-slip, but I need you to explain to me in little kid words what I'm not getting.

[Quin]

[mention]nutella[/mention] what was it you were misremembering that I said/did?

[colonialbob]

I do think you slipped. I just think I know why, and it doesn't mean you're mafia. In fact it's pretty strong evidence you aren't.

i'm inclined to vote him because of said slip so i'd appreciate an elaboration on this

I was thinking speedchuck was nijuukyugou's BTSC partner. But he shot that theory down.

[speedchuck]

Here's the original post:

Maybe the mafia is spread across tribes and the only nightkill was over there?

But no, they had a lynch as well.

I am thinking there was a failed nightkill on Pikaside.

You were talking about how the mafia team was spread across both tribes. I just don't understand the "but no" qualifier. I'll take it back as a scum-slip, but I need you to explain to me in little kid words what I'm not getting.

Let me rephrase that post.

Maybe the mafia only have one nightkill total?

But no, the other tribe had to have a lynch for the game to make sense. And it wouldn't be right if townies had two lynches and mafia only one nightkill.

Therefore, we must have had a failed nightkill here.

I can see where my thought process wasn't clear, now that you explained which part you thought I was talking about.

[DharmaHelper]

My point being you’re being a sort of biased against speedchuck. It’s like you’re not taking into account other players and focusing, tunneling onto one person.

Maybe that’s how you play, but I try to keep a constant updating view of as many players as I can handle

What Dom did isn't comparable in scope, intention, content, or any other worthwhile metric to what speedchuck did.

[sprityo]

My point being you’re being a sort of biased against speedchuck. It’s like you’re not taking into account other players and focusing, tunneling onto one person.

Maybe that’s how you play, but I try to keep a constant updating view of as many players as I can handle

What Dom did isn't comparable in scope, intention, content, or any other worthwhile metric to what speedchuck did.

Explain to me how

[DharmaHelper]

My point being you’re being a sort of biased against speedchuck. It’s like you’re not taking into account other players and focusing, tunneling onto one person.

Maybe that’s how you play, but I try to keep a constant updating view of as many players as I can handle

What Dom did isn't comparable in scope, intention, content, or any other worthwhile metric to what speedchuck did.

Explain to me how

Dom's post was much larger (scope), Contained actual quotes (content) And was made because he was pissed (intention)

Speedchuck's post was much smaller (scope), Contained brief points of commentary (content) and was made to justify his vote for DDL (intention)

[Quin]

nutella is highly likely to be town but none of you can ask me why.

[DharmaHelper]

nutella is highly likely to be town but none of you can ask me why.

You mean highly likely to be town in her first life

In which case if you're right you paint a target on her by saying shit like this

and then where does that leave the rest of the town during her second life

[sprityo]

Now see I don’t consider just quotes as the content, because when Ive done it before, I get told I’m just filling space.

[S~V~S]

Now see I don’t consider just quotes as the content, because when Ive done it before, I get told I’m just filling space.

You worry too much
About what you have been told
do what YOU think right

After last night and
Today, I am haikued out
See ya tomorrow

[Quin]

nutella is highly likely to be town but none of you can ask me why.

You mean highly likely to be town in her first life

In which case if you're right you paint a target on her by saying shit like this

and then where does that leave the rest of the town during her second life

im not a cop or anything fam

[sprityo]

nutella is highly likely to be town but none of you can ask me why.

You mean highly likely to be town in her first life

In which case if you're right you paint a target on her by saying shit like this

and then where does that leave the rest of the town during her second life

im not a cop or anything fam

all right I’ll roll with this for now.

Also I’m gonna [VOTE: DharmaHelper] aubergine since I’m still not on the same page and disagree with him.

[Epignosis]

"acting as epi's mouth piece" what

Live look at nutella:

[Epignosis]

WIFOM is out the
Window this game I believe
'Til all do die once

Epi humor me
Did you ever kill Eloh
In a game to date?

If so then woulda
Coulda re you and Nijuu
Are out the window

If not it will clear
You for me but no one else
Capise Skeletor?

I don't believe I have ever killed her (I don't remember doing so, anyhow), but if I ever did, I am confident that I never did so early. I would certainly kill either Eloh or nijuukyugou if game flow dictated it (or I somehow knew one of them was a role checker or something of the sort), but early on I don't see myself ever doing that. I grant that you could argue that I'm on a team with somebody who was adamant about killing her, or that, since she has a second role, I might have no qualm about taking a shot at her first, but neither is the case here.

[Epignosis]

My point being you’re being a sort of biased against speedchuck. It’s like you’re not taking into account other players and focusing, tunneling onto one person.

Maybe that’s how you play, but I try to keep a constant updating view of as many players as I can handle

What Dom did isn't comparable in scope, intention, content, or any other worthwhile metric to what speedchuck did.

Explain to me how

Dom's post was much larger (scope), Contained actual quotes (content) And was made because he was pissed (intention)

Speedchuck's post was much smaller (scope), Contained brief points of commentary (content) and was made to justify his vote for DDL (intention)

If speedchuck made his post first, and then voted DDL, how would you frame it?

[DharmaHelper]

My point being you’re being a sort of biased against speedchuck. It’s like you’re not taking into account other players and focusing, tunneling onto one person.

Maybe that’s how you play, but I try to keep a constant updating view of as many players as I can handle

What Dom did isn't comparable in scope, intention, content, or any other worthwhile metric to what speedchuck did.

Explain to me how

Dom's post was much larger (scope), Contained actual quotes (content) And was made because he was pissed (intention)

Speedchuck's post was much smaller (scope), Contained brief points of commentary (content) and was made to justify his vote for DDL (intention)

If speedchuck made his post first, and then voted DDL, how would you frame it?

The same way, but done smarter.

[Long Con]

nutella is highly likely to be town but none of you can ask me why.

I wish I could ask you why.

[nutella]

I was reading nutella’s posts. I want to know if she still plans voting for Dom/DDL/Quin today and why

Linki: I mean I haven’t done that DDL, I know you have before

DDL? I said my vote was probably between Dom, Quin, and Speedchuck. Most likely speed I think. I'm pretty sure I was misremembering something about Quin, and Dom is looking town now as far as I can tell (he can fool me though)

So what do you actually think of me though

leaning civ

@nutella what was it you were misremembering that I said/did?

I'm not sure if it was something I thought you did specifically or if it just had to do with Epi's and Speed's votes for you at EOD. Whatever it was I'm not reading anything into it now and after looking at your iso I feel ok about you.

nutella is highly likely to be town but none of you can ask me why.

k I'll take it

[nutella]

I've been feeling better and better about speed so I am going back to including DDL and DH on my short list. Speed's thoughts on DDL are compelling, and I agree with sprit on DH (that he is showing bias against speed/a double standard in favor of DDL)

[DharmaHelper]

I've been feeling better and better about speed so I am going back to including DDL and DH on my short list. Speed's thoughts on DDL are compelling, and I agree with sprit on DH (that he is showing bias against speed/a double standard in favor of DDL)

I've never mentioned favoring DDL

You meant Dom.

[nutella]

I've been feeling better and better about speed so I am going back to including DDL and DH on my short list. Speed's thoughts on DDL are compelling, and I agree with sprit on DH (that he is showing bias against speed/a double standard in favor of DDL)

I've never mentioned favoring DDL

You meant Dom.

No, I mean DDL. You said that speed was calling DDL out for things that you are accusing speed himself of, so if you find speed suspicious why not DDL as well?

[nutella]

But yes you also had a double standard regarding Dom's post that was similar to Speed's; you already gave an explanation for how you saw them differently but whatever man

[DharmaHelper]

I've been feeling better and better about speed so I am going back to including DDL and DH on my short list. Speed's thoughts on DDL are compelling, and I agree with sprit on DH (that he is showing bias against speed/a double standard in favor of DDL)

I've never mentioned favoring DDL

You meant Dom.

No, I mean DDL. You said that speed was calling DDL out for things that you are accusing speed himself of, so if you find speed suspicious why not DDL as well?

I didn't say that.

[Long Con]

The inconsistencies are confusing to me at this point.

[DharmaHelper]

The inconsistencies are confusing to me at this point.

[Epignosis]

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

[Long Con]

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

Speedchuck is different than me then. I could easily make those mistakes as either alignment.

[DharmaHelper]

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

He spent a whole post using past games and WIFOM to defend himself so.....

[Epignosis]

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

Speedchuck is different than me then. I could easily make those mistakes as either alignment.

From my experience, speedchuck's mistakes are intentional.

[Dom]

An observation
Twice now Nut interpreted
Epi for others

First re Sprityo and
Townness surety,
Again chiding Dom

While I was on break
Has Nut become the forum
Epi whisperer ?

Yeah I responded to that already. substantiate your accusation please.

twice now you have intervened on epi's behalf.
That's about it.

The inconsistencies are confusing to me at this point.

agree

[Dom]

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

He spent a whole post using past games and WIFOM to defend himself so.....

this.

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

Speedchuck is different than me then. I could easily make those mistakes as either alignment.

From my experience, speedchuck's mistakes are intentional.

What do you mean?

[Long Con]

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

He spent a whole post using past games and WIFOM to defend himself so.....

Dom agreed with this pretty readily, but I'd prefer if you finish the ellipsis, finish the sentence.

[Long Con]

Dom can answer that as well, that's cool.

[Epignosis]

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

Speedchuck is different than me then. I could easily make those mistakes as either alignment.

From my experience, speedchuck's mistakes are intentional.

What do you mean?

That was a jab at speedchuck. He knows what I mean, don't you, Mr. "I'll-out-myself-as-mafia-so-that-the-independent-will-help-me."

[DharmaHelper]

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

He spent a whole post using past games and WIFOM to defend himself so.....

Dom agreed with this pretty readily, but I'd prefer if you finish the ellipsis, finish the sentence.

If Epignosis wasn't fucking with me and his legitimate point was "Speedchuck would have to be acutely aware of his meta and actively pretending to be a doofus to go against it" Then speedchuck already showed he was acutely aware of his meta when he told me all about it. Ergo, he's bad.

[Epignosis]

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

He spent a whole post using past games and WIFOM to defend himself so.....

Dom agreed with this pretty readily, but I'd prefer if you finish the ellipsis, finish the sentence.

If Epignosis wasn't fucking with me and his legitimate point was "Speedchuck would have to be acutely aware of his meta and actively pretending to be a doofus to go against it" Then speedchuck already showed he was acutely aware of his meta when he told me all about it. Ergo, he's bad.

No. You're presupposing he is bad. You are begging the question.

[Quin]

Here's the original post:

Maybe the mafia is spread across tribes and the only nightkill was over there?

But no, they had a lynch as well.

I am thinking there was a failed nightkill on Pikaside.

You were talking about how the mafia team was spread across both tribes. I just don't understand the "but no" qualifier. I'll take it back as a scum-slip, but I need you to explain to me in little kid words what I'm not getting.

Let me rephrase that post.

Maybe the mafia only have one nightkill total?

But no, the other tribe had to have a lynch for the game to make sense. And it wouldn't be right if townies had two lynches and mafia only one nightkill.

Therefore, we must have had a failed nightkill here.

I can see where my thought process wasn't clear, now that you explained which part you thought I was talking about.

I gotcha buddy. Wanna be my annoying little brother in my PoE metaphor?

[Dom]

Dom can answer that as well, that's cool.

I just think that if someone is continually bringing up their own meta as a defense, then it'd be natural that they're looking to subvert their meta.

That was a jab at speedchuck. He knows what I mean, don't you, Mr. "I'll-out-myself-as-mafia-so-that-the-independent-will-help-me."

Gotcha.

Here's my take on speedchuck at this point.

If he's bad, he has to be faking ignorance. He's been adamant that alignments can't change. He's been on colonialbob's ass like twice now. And there's one or two things more I don't really remember and don't feel like digging up.

speedchuck, if he is bad, is a strategist, and a strategist needs to be informed.

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

He spent a whole post using past games and WIFOM to defend himself so.....

Dom agreed with this pretty readily, but I'd prefer if you finish the ellipsis, finish the sentence.

If Epignosis wasn't fucking with me and his legitimate point was "Speedchuck would have to be acutely aware of his meta and actively pretending to be a doofus to go against it" Then speedchuck already showed he was acutely aware of his meta when he told me all about it. Ergo, he's bad.

No. You're presupposing he is bad. You are begging the question.

I do think DH has tunnelled despite my agreeing with some of his points.

[DharmaHelper]

[speedchuck]

That was a jab at speedchuck. He knows what I mean, don't you, Mr. "I'll-out-myself-as-mafia-so-that-the-independent-will-help-me."

Heh. Shaddup, you. That plan would have worked if it weren't for the 6 things that went wrong, all of which I should have known were possibilities.

Dom can answer that as well, that's cool.

I just think that if someone is continually bringing up their own meta as a defense, then it'd be natural that they're looking to subvert their meta.

Nah. I like my meta. I like being the straight player as scum that everyone can trust, and I like being the horrible town player. Nobody will lynch me when I'm scum, because I play well. Nobody will lynch me when I'm town, because I suck but it's my meta. It's the perfect plan!

I've been following it steadfastly for a year now and it's been pretty productive. I can't think of any counter-examples, though I'd be happy to be introduced to one.

I gotcha buddy. Wanna be my annoying little brother in my PoE metaphor?

I don't know what you mean, but I am annoying, so I think I can handle it!

[DharmaHelper]

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

Speedchuck ignored his rainbow list because he doesn't care about it, it's not real, he doesn't actually trust or suspect anyone he put on that list in any color, he just wanted to look productive and he is bad.

Kay.

So, if I'm bad, what is my logic behind anything I've done this dayphase? Just saying that it doesn't hold town logic is bad. Where is the scum logic?
"Wanted to look productive."
Psh. I'm pretty good at blending when bad. Let me give you some meta context.

I just got out of two scum games and a town game. MK, LOTR, and Buffy.

Scum: I survived in MK until I alignment claimed, with only Mac and maybe Dunya voicing suspicion along the way. Nothing gained any traction. I survived in LOTR by making posts, giving effort, and laying low. Typical scum games for me. Clean, smart, calculated (except for the alignment claim. Don't ask.)

Town: I survived in Buffy as town because my D1 play was crappy and my BTSC partner wasted his role protecting me. Then I gambited in order not to be lynched, despite having a lynchproof I forgot about, got lynched anyway and survived. I then vigged two townies, wrote off the ENTIRE EFFING SCUMTEAM as town, and lost the game, despite having gut scumreads on some of the baddies in early game. It was a crapshoot, and I made some weird choices, especially in the early days.

Tell me, which one of these recent games more matches my behavior in this game?

If you think I'm good enough to calculate my horrendous town game and put on an act, then i thank you for the compliment. But I LIKE having little suspicion. I LIKE playing scum games and being the supahtown smart guy. I LIKE being on top of things. But I'm not a good enough hunter to do that as town.

You can hate self-calls to meta if you want, but the fact of the matter is: if I were scum, I'd have an inkling of an idea what I'm doing.

[Epignosis]

I suspect DH because he hasn't done anything definitive to advance the civilian cause. He pokes, prods, says sarcastic shit, posts the usual gifs and videos, begs the question, assumes people are bad to accuse them of being bad, acts like accountability means anything (it rarely does) and his posts look like he's just trying to get somebody lynched...except yesterday when he didn't.

If, on the other hand, I am to defend DH, I can only do so on two fronts:

First, a civilian DH likes toying with people more than a mafia DH. That's my experience from many moons ago.

Second, if you were to accept the premise that mafia struggle to generate the level of content DH has (a premise I still don't agree with, but some zealots buy into this like it's a religion and only MP is the Devil), then DH is likely a civilian. I won't go there myself.

Discuss.

[Epignosis]

The only way speedchuck is mafia right now is if he is acutely aware of his reputation as a strategist and is playing "town fool," as it were.

Speedchuck ignored his rainbow list because he doesn't care about it, it's not real, he doesn't actually trust or suspect anyone he put on that list in any color, he just wanted to look productive and he is bad.

Kay.

So, if I'm bad, what is my logic behind anything I've done this dayphase? Just saying that it doesn't hold town logic is bad. Where is the scum logic?
"Wanted to look productive."
Psh. I'm pretty good at blending when bad. Let me give you some meta context.

I just got out of two scum games and a town game. MK, LOTR, and Buffy.

Scum: I survived in MK until I alignment claimed, with only Mac and maybe Dunya voicing suspicion along the way. Nothing gained any traction. I survived in LOTR by making posts, giving effort, and laying low. Typical scum games for me. Clean, smart, calculated (except for the alignment claim. Don't ask.)

Town: I survived in Buffy as town because my D1 play was crappy and my BTSC partner wasted his role protecting me. Then I gambited in order not to be lynched, despite having a lynchproof I forgot about, got lynched anyway and survived. I then vigged two townies, wrote off the ENTIRE EFFING SCUMTEAM as town, and lost the game, despite having gut scumreads on some of the baddies in early game. It was a crapshoot, and I made some weird choices, especially in the early days.

Tell me, which one of these recent games more matches my behavior in this game?

If you think I'm good enough to calculate my horrendous town game and put on an act, then i thank you for the compliment. But I LIKE having little suspicion. I LIKE playing scum games and being the supahtown smart guy. I LIKE being on top of things. But I'm not a good enough hunter to do that as town.

You can hate self-calls to meta if you want, but the fact of the matter is: if I were scum, I'd have an inkling of an idea what I'm doing.

No sir. You don't get to ignore conjunctions.

[DharmaHelper]

I suspect DH because he hasn't done anything definitive to advance the civilian cause. He pokes, prods, says sarcastic shit, posts the usual gifs and videos, begs the question, assumes people are bad to accuse them of being bad, acts like accountability means anything (it rarely does) and his posts look like he's just trying to get somebody lynched...except yesterday when he didn't.

If, on the other hand, I am to defend DH, I can only do so on two fronts:

First, a civilian DH likes toying with people more than a mafia DH. That's my experience from many moons ago.

Second, if you were to accept the premise that mafia struggle to generate the level of content DH has (a premise I still don't agree with, but some zealots buy into this like it's a religion and only MP is the Devil), then DH is likely a civilian. I won't go there myself.

Discuss.

1. Hasn't done anything to advance the civilian cause ----> Meaning what? I have a suspect, I'm following that lead. What am I or anyone expected to have done to advance the civilian cause Day 2, when Day 1 was an utter wash wrapped in a complete farce.
2. Pokes Prods, etc etc and so on ----> Yes hello we've met.
3. Begs and assumes and etc ----> No wrong I have proof you're just ignoring the proof because you're you.
4. Acts like accountability means anything ----> Adverbs
5. Trying to get someone lynched ----> Gasp! In a game of mafia? Be still my heart.

[Epignosis]

I suspect DH because he hasn't done anything definitive to advance the civilian cause. He pokes, prods, says sarcastic shit, posts the usual gifs and videos, begs the question, assumes people are bad to accuse them of being bad, acts like accountability means anything (it rarely does) and his posts look like he's just trying to get somebody lynched...except yesterday when he didn't.

If, on the other hand, I am to defend DH, I can only do so on two fronts:

First, a civilian DH likes toying with people more than a mafia DH. That's my experience from many moons ago.

Second, if you were to accept the premise that mafia struggle to generate the level of content DH has (a premise I still don't agree with, but some zealots buy into this like it's a religion and only MP is the Devil), then DH is likely a civilian. I won't go there myself.

Discuss.

1. Hasn't done anything to advance the civilian cause ----> Meaning what? I have a suspect, I'm following that lead. What am I or anyone expected to have done to advance the civilian cause Day 2, when Day 1 was an utter wash wrapped in a complete farce.
2. Pokes Prods, etc etc and so on ----> Yes hello we've met.
3. Begs and assumes and etc ----> No wrong I have proof you're just ignoring the proof because you're you.
4. Acts like accountability means anything ----> Adverbs
5. Trying to get someone lynched ----> Gasp! In a game of mafia? Be still my heart.

You haven't done anything definitive. You are leaving important words out of what I say. Your suspicion of speedchuck doesn't mean anything to me. You voted him Day 1 when he presumably could not be lynched, and you are mischaracterizing my defense of him by omitting the second part of it.

[DharmaHelper]

My bad I forgot the adverb.