Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Golden]

This is why I hate changeable votes. I always convince myself out of the thing I believe in. I should have voted Epi.

Then you are most easily convinced by a man without conviction.

Don't get lippy with me, I just kept you alive and I don't think the best course of action is to make me regret it.

[Turnip Head]

We're off to a tragic start

[Epignosis]

This is why I hate changeable votes. I always convince myself out of the thing I believe in. I should have voted Epi.

Then you are most easily convinced by a man without conviction.

Don't get lippy with me, I just kept you alive and I don't think the best course of action is to make me regret it.

You already regret it.

[Turnip Head]

So begins Epignosis' fraught journey into a burdened exile

[Scotty]

So begins Epignosis' fraught journey into a burdened exile

Epignosis can turn it around yet.

He, however, may have to run a marathon to accomplish it

[Epignosis]

So begins Epignosis' fraught journey into a burdened exile

A man alone has no enemies.

[Scotty]

I’m pissed.

Someone talk shit about me so I won’t be NK’d tonight please. No one’s read me as bad yet

Why are you pissed?

We lynched a civilian. It happens.

dig was an easy target like usual. I found his game to be civ.

I’m kissed because that was a good role. It’s all uphill from here

[Marmot]

ISO of Scotty, and his mentions of Epignosis.

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Golden’z Sure acting like an independent. Yoloing and supporting other people yoloing. No firm stances against people, only for them.

Yikesarooni. pinged by him rn. No longer drunk. Ready for action.

Anyway, ima vote for someone I haven’t talked about yet. Epi. All he’s got right now is “If”. My response?

Then

vote Epi aubergine

Light-hearted vote for Epignosis.

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which reads has he forced?

Are you asking because you aren’t following what I’m saying or just because picking a fight is interesting?

Which read do you think I mean?

from a tone POV I'm not sure I actually believe she believes what she's saying about him.

MP said this about dunya and I find this interesting since it is virtually identical to the objection I just felt in my conversation with dunya.

So, the question is... to those that know dunya, is this our lack of knowledge of her? Dunya's questions *feel* hollow to me, is this me trying to project dunya onto sloonei or something?

Sloonei, actually, it's possible you are best placed to answer this. Interested in Choutas' view too.

Do you see me saying mp is bad or good?

do you see me saying i think you think mp is bad or good?

Interesting - I think we meant two different things here.

I meant that I had a solid townread when you were going at me as though I was painting him bad.
I think you meant you'd legitimately not made a read on him.

Interesting. Epignosis, he's your witness.
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Broken quote where Scotty points out Golden's diction to Epignosis.

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Can you explain your Epi vote? @Golden @Scotty

If

Null response to sig asking about his vote for Epignosis.

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Epi is more than fashionably late at this point

Vote him and see if we can summon him from his casket.

Have the wooden stake ready

Request to TH to vote for Epignosis. No reason given.

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I remain unmoved with my opinion of Epi.

*tap tap*

That’s the sound of my finger on his fishbowl. Do tricks, fish.

Scotty is "unmoved" by Epignosis.

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I remain unmoved with my opinion of Epi.

*tap tap*

That’s the sound of my finger on his fishbowl. Do tricks, fish.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Good trick.

Serious question though, what do you think of scotty's response to Colin earlier this page?

The real question you should be asking is: what does Epi think about anything this game thus far?

A legitimate concern voiced here.

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Next time I’m bad, I’m going to see if I can get into one of these day 1 dick measuring contests with a teammate to test all of you who are sure you can sus out when these things are scripted.

lol

I’m seeing a civ-civ altercation with Dom and sig

In 500 words or fewer please explain your answer. Guiding questions might be: "Why did sig vote for Dom?" "Why did sig stop voting for Dom?" "Why did sig personally attack Dom, repeatedly?" "What did sig hope to accomplish by the post Dom has bemoaned?"


Thank you for your time.

This is where I write my name on my test, calmly take out a pack of gum, look around absently to the other students in class, clear my throat, pop some gum in, stare at nothing on my desk and then methodically get up with blank test in hand, place it on the teacher’s desk, quietly exclaim that I had a great semester and about face to go decompress into a box of fries

v funny
but like
pls substantiate ur claim for me?

I can’t really defend sig. he’s talking in his own language. I’m choosing to ignore the subject matter of your clash because I believe that what you both are perceiving as personal attacks is just miscommunication. He doesn’t agree with the dunya thing and thinks you brought it up when you don’t believe it to be true.

dog is also defending Epi right now to a large extent and if they are teammates then that’s bogus.

Calls Dom out for defending sig.

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Why is it so hard to lynch Epi in general? His reputation precedes him and he tends to have people touring his perceived meta as a civ. I’m scrapping pretenses and I don’t find his input today civ-leaning. It’s sporatic, like my girlfriend digging through a new bag of Trail Mix for the M&M’s and leaving me the nut crap

Asks why Epignosis is hard to lynch, and offers a sincere lament at Epignosis survivability.

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In dunya’s defense, she probably made as many reads as she could on the surface level before departing for places unknown (Paris?)

Yeah honestly I'd rather give her the BOTD and find a better suspect for today. I want to catch up and talk with her in real time. We'll see.

What are your thoughts, Scotty? Where would you recommend I consider voting?

Wherever you want dude, it’s a free market.

Check out lunalee and tell me if you’re seeing what I see. Her iso ain’t long.

Epi and to an extent, LC, are the ones that were continuing to push the dunya Dom scumslip. I don’t think Epi looks town right now.

Pushes the Epignosis vote when asked by another MP7.




Addendum: My assumption was that Scotty is looking to push some folks into the spotlight for tomorrow's lynch that don't deserve it. But that might not be true. I find Scotty's Epignosis suspicion and growth thereof to be believable.

What I don't understand is Scotty's behavior post-lynch. A lot of self-righteousness for someone who doesn't know if he's actually right. That's what smells bad to me, and what made me look back through his Epignosis commentary.

[Marmot]

Hey Scotty, when you say dig or dog, do you mean sig or Dom, or both?

[Scotty]

ISO of Scotty, and his mentions of Epignosis.

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Golden’z Sure acting like an independent. Yoloing and supporting other people yoloing. No firm stances against people, only for them.

Yikesarooni. pinged by him rn. No longer drunk. Ready for action.

Anyway, ima vote for someone I haven’t talked about yet. Epi. All he’s got right now is “If”. My response?

Then

vote Epi aubergine

Light-hearted vote for Epignosis.

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which reads has he forced?

Are you asking because you aren’t following what I’m saying or just because picking a fight is interesting?

Which read do you think I mean?

from a tone POV I'm not sure I actually believe she believes what she's saying about him.

MP said this about dunya and I find this interesting since it is virtually identical to the objection I just felt in my conversation with dunya.

So, the question is... to those that know dunya, is this our lack of knowledge of her? Dunya's questions *feel* hollow to me, is this me trying to project dunya onto sloonei or something?

Sloonei, actually, it's possible you are best placed to answer this. Interested in Choutas' view too.

Do you see me saying mp is bad or good?

do you see me saying i think you think mp is bad or good?

Interesting - I think we meant two different things here.

I meant that I had a solid townread when you were going at me as though I was painting him bad.
I think you meant you'd legitimately not made a read on him.

Interesting. Epignosis, he's your witness.

Broken quote where Scotty points out Golden's diction to Epignosis.

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Can you explain your Epi vote? @Golden @Scotty

If

Null response to sig asking about his vote for Epignosis.

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Epi is more than fashionably late at this point

Vote him and see if we can summon him from his casket.

Have the wooden stake ready

Request to TH to vote for Epignosis. No reason given.

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I remain unmoved with my opinion of Epi.

*tap tap*

That’s the sound of my finger on his fishbowl. Do tricks, fish.

Scotty is "unmoved" by Epignosis.

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I remain unmoved with my opinion of Epi.

*tap tap*

That’s the sound of my finger on his fishbowl. Do tricks, fish.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Good trick.

Serious question though, what do you think of scotty's response to Colin earlier this page?

The real question you should be asking is: what does Epi think about anything this game thus far?

A legitimate concern voiced here.

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Next time I’m bad, I’m going to see if I can get into one of these day 1 dick measuring contests with a teammate to test all of you who are sure you can sus out when these things are scripted.

lol

I’m seeing a civ-civ altercation with Dom and sig

In 500 words or fewer please explain your answer. Guiding questions might be: "Why did sig vote for Dom?" "Why did sig stop voting for Dom?" "Why did sig personally attack Dom, repeatedly?" "What did sig hope to accomplish by the post Dom has bemoaned?"


Thank you for your time.

This is where I write my name on my test, calmly take out a pack of gum, look around absently to the other students in class, clear my throat, pop some gum in, stare at nothing on my desk and then methodically get up with blank test in hand, place it on the teacher’s desk, quietly exclaim that I had a great semester and about face to go decompress into a box of fries

v funny
but like
pls substantiate ur claim for me?

I can’t really defend sig. he’s talking in his own language. I’m choosing to ignore the subject matter of your clash because I believe that what you both are perceiving as personal attacks is just miscommunication. He doesn’t agree with the dunya thing and thinks you brought it up when you don’t believe it to be true.

dog is also defending Epi right now to a large extent and if they are teammates then that’s bogus.

Calls Dom out for defending sig.

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Why is it so hard to lynch Epi in general? His reputation precedes him and he tends to have people touring his perceived meta as a civ. I’m scrapping pretenses and I don’t find his input today civ-leaning. It’s sporatic, like my girlfriend digging through a new bag of Trail Mix for the M&M’s and leaving me the nut crap

Asks why Epignosis is hard to lynch, and offers a sincere lament at Epignosis survivability.

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In dunya’s defense, she probably made as many reads as she could on the surface level before departing for places unknown (Paris?)

Yeah honestly I'd rather give her the BOTD and find a better suspect for today. I want to catch up and talk with her in real time. We'll see.

What are your thoughts, Scotty? Where would you recommend I consider voting?

Wherever you want dude, it’s a free market.

Check out lunalee and tell me if you’re seeing what I see. Her iso ain’t long.

Epi and to an extent, LC, are the ones that were continuing to push the dunya Dom scumslip. I don’t think Epi looks town right now.

Pushes the Epignosis vote when asked by another MP7.




Addendum: My assumption was that Scotty is looking to push some folks into the spotlight for tomorrow's lynch that don't deserve it. But that might not be true. I find Scotty's Epignosis suspicion and growth thereof to be believable.

What I don't understand is Scotty's behavior post-lynch. A lot of self-righteousness for someone who doesn't know if he's actually right. That's what smells bad to me, and what made me look back through his Epignosis commentary.
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Thanks Marmot. appreciated!

[Scotty]

Hey Scotty, when you say dig or dog, do you mean sig or Dom, or both?

Let’s test it

Dog = sog = dig = sig

Dom = Dom = Dom

[Long Con]

RIP sig. Good luck next Day 1.

[sig]

Can't wait for end game.

Oh and thanks for the game Jay.

[Golden]

So begins Epignosis' fraught journey into a burdened exile

A man alone has no enemies.

Hey, Plato

When you're alone you're your own worst enemy.

[MacDougall]

I just caught up. I am about to rain hell down on the following.

Sloonei
Marmot
Jack
Kyle
Luna

[MacDougall]

But first. I have errands.

If you are so inclined I would strongly encourage anyone attempting to defeat the Persian scum to deeply analyse Sloonei and Marmot in context with the thread and not isolation of their own posts.

[Kylemii]

[mention]Marmot[/mention] why did you vote for me? you gave a reason but it didn't make sense in terms of this being a mafia game

[Kylemii]

I just caught up. I am about to rain hell down on the following.

Sloonei
Marmot
Jack
Kyle
Luna

oh cool

[Spacedaisy]

Switching my vote to Spacedaisy because pretty much her only on topic posts so far are interactions with dunya which include a mild defense, followed by a step back, then a step forward.

Dude, there is a difference between defending someone as civ and confirming their story. I was asked directly by dunya to confirm what she was saying. She asked directly about a conversation between she and I that I did not recall. But since I know I'm not bad, she s unlikely to be lying about that particular point. I have no idea what her affiliaton is, but I have actually confirmed in my messages with dunya on discord and we have had a conversation about various players' play styles and yes Dom was one of them. So lynch her if you want. I have no idea if she is good or bad, but if that is all that you have against her, I can say first hand it is weak. Or lynch me instead, I don't care. Better me than a try hard civ.

Now, I'm going to go enjoy my birthday! See ya

linki @ lunalee: Don't care if it looks scummy. We are talking about a player voting for me that votes himself Day 1 every single game. So why is he voting me now? For weak sauce reasons.

I don't have anything against dunya though.

And your suspcion against me makes no sense.

[Quin]

sig has been lynched. He was:

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Themistocles



Themistocles is a legend among the Greeks, and for good reason. He was a brilliant politician, tactician, and diplomat. I often balk when historians or enthusiasts attribute immense influence or credit to individual people, as it can be so easily overstated. In the case of Themistocles though, it is hard to deny the truth. He is probably my favorite person in history period. If time permits later in the night phase I will share a little more about him. It will be for flavor and theme and unrelated to game matters.

Night 1 begins now. You have 23 hours to send me your night actions, and the phase will end an hour later. The thread has been unlocked.

themtesticles

[speedchuck]

Hm. I'm not pleased with the outcome, and I had Sig as a townread, but having caught up in the thread for the night, I can't say I'm mad about it. Sig kept his vote parked on Nova (I still never saw a reason for ANYONE who was doing that) and refused to engage questions that people put to him.

I read him as town, but at least people had reasons to vote him unlike with Nova.

[ColinIsCool]

Hopefully after tonight info roles will be able to point us in some better directions.

[Turnip Head]

That's a hot take speedchuck. No time to mourn the fallen, I like your style.

[speedchuck]

Lots to dig into though. I was addressed several times while I was gone, and I'll talk about the one I remember.

I think Luna is town. She is playing as I would expect her to on D1 in her first online mafia game.
(But speed, this is not her first online mafia game!)
You think burglaries and freaking Image Mafia count? Not that Luna played much differently in the burglaries. She was town then as well. We have put up more content in one day than Luna has parsed in her entire syndicate run, and I think her posts work with her latching onto elements that she can follow and giving what opinions she has.
I don't discourage pursuing a scumread on her and asking her questions. It might help her to engage with the thread, since she is a "true freshman" and not a "transfer" like Nova, Wolbre, etc. Just keep the filter in mind. And through my filter, I see her as town.

[MacDougall]

Before I begin preparing to annihilate Sloonei and his friends, a word on the main cases from day 1.

Firstly, I will say that in hindsight I felt that there were no truly compelling cases made during day 1 that I was a part to, or saw in the content after I went to sleep. I sympathise with any fellow civilians genuinely trying to find bad guys on day 1. The Persians are a wily force it would appear.

Towards the end of day there was no consensus. Had I appeared soon before the lynch I would have felt that the options available had boiled down to:

a) Follow your intuition and vote off wagon and try to get people to rally to that vote. I would have tried to CFD Sloonei, or Marmot had I had enough time and depending on whether one or both would have been an inspiring enough option to rally forces.
b) Vote on a wagon built on weak cases. Had this been the case I would have felt compelled to push for Nova, given the four options. With the reason that sig, Dunya and Epi would be greater civilian casualties in their own right (sorry Nova). By traditional TS group analysis (skittles), I would have had Epi, Dunya and Nova as yellow skittles and sig as green.
c) Throw away my vote. No, this wasn't an option. I saw that someone did this and was called out on it and I think that is a very apt call out. Was it Golden calling out Scotty? If so, I would encourage you to follow that hunch Golden because I agree that it is a bizarre thing to have done.

I would have, with ample time, voted for Sloonei and tried to push the lynch there (I will address why, in time). Relatively early on in my catch up I became less enamoured with my Nova vote, by comparison to what I have observed about several other players in the meantime. At no time did I feel like I would have been moved to vote for Dunya, Epignosis or Sig.

That sig, of the combatants at play, ended up lynched intrigues me, particularly given I had felt that his pre-lynch play was the more civilian aligned of those who were at risk of being lynched. This raises the possibility that there was some Persian influence causing one or more of the other primary candidates to not take votes. This in particular gives me pause about Nova, because it is more natural for Dunya and Epignosis to have had meta based defenses made in their name (I did this myself during day 1). That sig ended up lynched over Nova is, to me, the most interesting piece of information to have come out of that lynch. That sig, with all of his bluster and his emotion, managed to become a preferred lynch candidate to Nova, who is generally less of a participant. I will also note that Nova became vociferous compared to his usual self towards the end of day is also of note, but in isolation I did like the tone of his posts.

I have noted in Epignosis, a tendency to seemingly throw away day 1 to the gods of chaos. I have thoughts on why he may have started doing this in his games, and consider it part of his game strategy as town. I would not have voted for him.

My thoughts on Dunya were shared already and amounted to wanting to give her more time, and that in time she would either feel compelled to come into significant combat with her scum teammates, or as a civilian with her rhythm found, begin to solve the game. I am happy that she was not lynched.

I understand why Nova was not lynched out of context, given the case on Nova amounted to nothing but a ping and one or two players agreeing with me, but in the context of how the lynch came out, that Nova did not get lynched over sig is interesting, as stated.

I saw no indication of Mafia sig at play in this game. He was aggressively trying to solve the game as much as anyone. This was a bizarre mislynch because of this. Particularly interesting because sig is a known easy day 1 mislynch, and yet here it happened again. This gives me pause to consider that it was actually done by design from a force of players.

All told, after having made this post I feel better about day 1 because I think that despite the fact that we lost arguably the most important town force, it was a very good day 1 for post content and if some good civilians can muster up the desire to, I think there is likely to be ample information contained within the day 1 content to find some leads.

Now, on to business.

[speedchuck]

Hopefully after tonight info roles will be able to point us in some better directions.

No role claims, alignment claims, etc.

Don't count on it. We do have *results* though. Information, if you will (hi Epi). Having a flip or two to work with is going to help me for sure!

[wolbre04]

From Voting (For Sake of ease I'm just going to use blue for all town and not divide them into the 2 factions):
Dunya: Long Con, Epignosis
Epignosis: 4 - Scotty, Jack of Hearts, Speedchuck, Wolbre04
Golden: 2 - Lunalee, Croutons
Lunalee: 2 - Kylemii, ColinisCool
Marmot: 1 - Space Daisy
Novaselinenever: 4 - MacDougal, Sloonei, Sig, Turnip
Sig:: 5 - Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, Golden
Turniphead: 1 - Dunya

Nova, MP, Marmot, Dom, Golden
Sig wasn't even being that scummy so what the hell.
And using one of his first posts explaining who I was (After he invited me) I didn't read as him trying to act wolfy. He was just letting y'all know.
Someone please kill it with fire.

[Golden]

I was calling out Colin, not scotty.

[Golden]

And Mac if you’d been here I would have joined you in pushing the thread in another direction. I regret that MP had to leave just when he did. I was trying to catch up and never fully engaged with him in real time, that could have lead to better results.

[Golden]

I see Luna as quite town at this point and I’m willing to trust speedchuck on tone. I’ll do a rainbow list when I get a minute.

[Kylemii]

Lots to dig into though. I was addressed several times while I was gone, and I'll talk about the one I remember.

I think Luna is town. She is playing as I would expect her to on D1 in her first online mafia game.
(But speed, this is not her first online mafia game!)
You think burglaries and freaking Image Mafia count? Not that Luna played much differently in the burglaries. She was town then as well. We have put up more content in one day than Luna has parsed in her entire syndicate run, and I think her posts work with her latching onto elements that she can follow and giving what opinions she has.
I don't discourage pursuing a scumread on her and asking her questions. It might help her to engage with the thread, since she is a "true freshman" and not a "transfer" like Nova, Wolbre, etc. Just keep the filter in mind. And through my filter, I see her as town.

is lunalee relatively new? not from RYM or one of those sites?

[ColinIsCool]

Read Golden's case against me on the last page, and his posts that followed the lynch, and ask yourself, "Does this [the case against Colin] make any sense?"

I'm interested in hearing your answers.

[Kylemii]

Information (hi Epi).

speedchuck no

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

[this part]If sig's bad, Colin is bad too.[/right here]

explanation?

Colin's post, boiled down

"I have a reason not to vote nova and a reason not to vote epi and... err... there's one specific post about sig that isn't bad and then nothing changed my mind... so I'll vote off wagon"

All while sig is one vote behind.

Sorry it was Colin, not Scotty. Yes very bad look for Colin.

[MacDougall]

I have voted for [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

i think the sig lynch is fine, there are mechanical reasons to keep a lynch close in case of the involvement of brasidas.

This is the only thing I have against Kyle. I don't like the justification. He seemed scared of explaining his vote.

[Lunalee]

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Lots to dig into though. I was addressed several times while I was gone, and I'll talk about the one I remember.

I think Luna is town. She is playing as I would expect her to on D1 in her first online mafia game.
(But speed, this is not her first online mafia game!)
You think burglaries and freaking Image Mafia count? Not that Luna played much differently in the burglaries. She was town then as well. We have put up more content in one day than Luna has parsed in her entire syndicate run, and I think her posts work with her latching onto elements that she can follow and giving what opinions she has.
I don't discourage pursuing a scumread on her and asking her questions. It might help her to engage with the thread, since she is a "true freshman" and not a "transfer" like Nova, Wolbre, etc. Just keep the filter in mind. And through my filter, I see her as town.

is lunalee relatively new? not from RYM or one of those sites?

Yep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

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Hello! I'm Lunalee. I just made an account a few days ago, and haven't "officially" introduced myself yet. I'm speedchuck 's wife, and after seeing the amusement he gets out of online mafia, finally decided to give it a shot. I enjoy playing mafia-type games (One-Night Werewolf, The Resistance, etc.) in person, so I'm looking forward to playing more online and getting to know you people!

[speedchuck]

Lots to dig into though. I was addressed several times while I was gone, and I'll talk about the one I remember.

I think Luna is town. She is playing as I would expect her to on D1 in her first online mafia game.
(But speed, this is not her first online mafia game!)
You think burglaries and freaking Image Mafia count? Not that Luna played much differently in the burglaries. She was town then as well. We have put up more content in one day than Luna has parsed in her entire syndicate run, and I think her posts work with her latching onto elements that she can follow and giving what opinions she has.
I don't discourage pursuing a scumread on her and asking her questions. It might help her to engage with the thread, since she is a "true freshman" and not a "transfer" like Nova, Wolbre, etc. Just keep the filter in mind. And through my filter, I see her as town.

is lunalee relatively new? not from RYM or one of those sites?

She's my wife. She's never played online mafia but on this site.

[novaselinenever]

Read Golden's case against me on the last page, and his posts that followed the lynch, and ask yourself, "Does this [the case against Colin] make any sense?"

I'm interested in hearing your answers.

It does make some sense. You voting off-wagon while 3 people are almost tied for the lynch and 1 vote can change everything is suspicious to say the least. It's the bad kind of suspicious.

It doesn't matter how weak the cases against Sig, Epi and me are, I don't believe that after all that happened today you didn't have any read on us three. In the case, you read both 3 of us as Town, you could have voted for your weakest Town read to try to save the two others that you read strongly as Town. You didn't even attempt that and just took the easy way out.

So yeah, you voting off wagon in such a crucial time is bad and Golden's case has merits. This is something a player with inside information (scum) would do since they would know who would flip Town and thus not participate so late in a mislynch to avoid scrutinization.

[Kylemii]

She's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*

seriously? I had no idea

Yep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?

[Kylemii]

fetas

[Kylemii]

metals*

[Golden]

She's myy wiiiife. *borat voice*

seriously? I had no idea

Yep, here's the "get to know me post" I made in the Intro thread:

so then would you rate your level of familiarity with dunya and golden's respective fetas as being generally pretty low?

I don’t eat feta

[Kylemii]

metas***

I have voted for [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

i think the sig lynch is fine, there are mechanical reasons to keep a lynch close in case of the involvement of brasidas.

This is the only thing I have against Kyle. I don't like the justification. He seemed scared of explaining his vote.

i did explain my vote in the post following that one. my vote was essentially a vote for sig without the risk of taking him out of the range of being able to save himself if he was the spear dude who's riding on a boat, which was as far as I saw, the only vote manip active on day 1. i guess on some level i was also trusting golden's gut re: sig. i wasn't feeling any of the top vote getters at the time, and a 4th option wasn't practical

[Golden]

metals*

Metals, however - I quite like bronze

[MacDougall]

The Sloonei case is about posting rhythm and shifting perspectives. It is clear to me, that Sloonei is engaged with the game but I am not seeing the same quality of case making and of pressuring players that I am used to. My feeling is that Sloonei is not giving the game all of his game content. I feel like he is playing a game of whispers. He seems to state perspectives and then not act upon them in a consistent civilian manner.

I liked that MP kicked off the gameplay by offering a read on Scotty. Nothing had happened yet and MP breathed the first bit of life into the game.

I was less fond of his comment about sig’s post. Sig is a player who always draws suspicion, and MP was quick to put that on him here, directly or indirectly, for a post that I appreciated. There’s nothing wrong with offering perspective on a new and unfamiliar player if you’re priveleged to that information, it’s a nice thing to do.

This is a boring opinion. What else you got?

I love this post.

Do you have any new thoughts to share about sig?

In this series of posts, Sloonei casts minor suspicion upon MP and MP bats it away nonchalantly causing Sloonei to immediately retract and then encourage MP to push harder on sig (who we now know to have been mislynched).

In the aforementioned you can also see that Sloonei defended sig, and made comments about how sig always draws suspicion. He also said that he appreciated sig’s post and that it was a nice thing to do. Sloonei as accutely aware that the end resulting sig mislynch was a possibility, right back at the start of day 1. Yet as you read on later he made no mention of this possibility again when it was actually unfolding. Instead batting away dunya and epi voters, and taking the easy option of voting for Nova (someone who he also defended during the day).

Shortly after the aforementioned post he himself pressured sig in the same manner that he questioned MP for.

Spoiler: show

Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

But no one asked about wolbre yet.

what are you implying? why did you choose to call sig out on this but not Sloonei for his meta-comments on Choutas/Colin/Kites from RYM a post above yours?

I'm not implying anything; I just thought it was a bit presumptuous for sig to be all like "here's some info about wolbre!" before anyone even asked. It's sig though (I love the guy but he does say things without being prompted, so it's not out of character), and I don't think there's anything meaningful there upon reflection.

So nobody here minus me have played with Wolbre, so nobody has any idea of his meta or even how he acts as a person yet its presumptuous/ping worthy that I lay out what I know about his meta? This doesn't make any sense, like of course I'm going to say things without being promoted especially when its knowledge on someone only I'd have. I've done the same thing with Glorfindel multiple times which has helped us to lynch him. It's more than just weird how you jumped at me about my read it's an early game baddie move.

The underlined portion of MP's post is also out there, it seems like disingenuous backtracking since the fish weren't biting on his read or it could be since it put him in the hot seat.

Either way as of right now MP is my biggest mafia read, so I'll be throwing down a vote there. [VOTE: MP] aubergine

I also agree the Turnip thing was a bit off, but he hasn't played mafia in a year or so correct? I expect he'd be a bit rusty and maybe not ready to just jump into a game with so many new faces. However, we should keep in mind that this is a more self preservation approach which is more common among mafia.

What is "off" about Turnip Head? What do you think of the rest of MP's output? He's leading the thread in content right now and you seem to be voting for him based off a single sentence he wrote at the very beginning of play.

So Sloonei flipped from defending sig from MP pressuring him because he was conscious of sig’s potential as a day 1 mislynch, and then proceeded to do the very same soon after.

The theme continues later on.

Spoiler: show

wolbre04 When you get the chance what do you think of the Golden, MP, Mac, and Dunya?

D1 is purely conjecture on my part until someone does something overly messy to me, but Golden and Mac seem to be interested in leading the pack and being outspoken
This is fine of course, but the later the game goes, the more I consider whether they are just leading us right into the fire
Dunya was really helpful, but basically a neutral leaning town
MP seems towny-ish, his interactions have been generally NAI with others with an exception or two

For the most part the thread is a half dozen people talking and the others might not be here when the phase ends.
Also, I feel like if anyone wants to ask me a question they can because I want to clear myself as town right off the bat

OK you fence sitters- I'ma make a bold statement that I think sig is TOWN.

Tell me why I'm wrong without using previous metas.

I'm going to have to use previous experience alone to comment on this, but in the games where sig has been scum that I've participated in, he's hyper aggressive in my view at least. Here he hasn't really been aggro towards anyone. His town meta from a game I hosted is comparable to this, although a good number of his posts have been fluffy (but many of us are the same)

I like these two posts from wolbre at face value. He's a relatively new player in a foreign land, but he's managing to produce reads on a busy Day 1. That in itself is a good look, to say nothing of the actual content of these reads.

I'm a little concerned about sig's salad list of players in that first post though. @sig why did you prod wolbre for reads on those specific players?

More really soft pressuring of sig that he never went ahead with. Consistent soft discrediting of sig throughout the early parts of day 1, which no doubt contributed to the general consensus that ultimately got him lynched.

In this duo of posts he goes from questioning and placing a mild suspicion on dunya, to outright dismissing the votes on her as nonsense. Which is very strange and makes me question the nature of their partnership.

I see that dunya has called me “sloppy” and pointed to my Colin vote specifically. That’s been a common refrain. My vote for Colin is/was a pressure vote. I didn’t love that he offered a pre-emptive apology for his absence, but neglected to comment on anything in the time that he was here. I wanted him to say things. I believe he has said things now. I should look at them.

I feel like dunya should recognize a Day 1 pressure vote from me when she sees one.

Is there more to the dunya case than that nonsense?

Throughout day 1 he consistently batted away any suspicion on Epignosis with disdain. He outright dismisses the Epi/Dunya votes while occasionally questioning the sig votes but at the same time occasionally pressuring him. I have a theory as to why.

I am roughly caught up, though I'm still missing a big chunk of the middle section of this day. I have an hour and a half to sort out my vote. I dislike the Epi case and am not in love wit the dunya wagon either. I do have a slight concern regarding dunya's read on me, but I don't think she'd pick to go after me on Day 1 as a baddie given our history together.

Why are we voting for nova?

In this catch up summary he hand waves away any effort made to pursue Epi and Dunya cases and begins to position Nova to receive the vote he ends up casting. It is all very staged.

Pushes back on Dom’s false narrative against sig.

sig doesn't want to vote for new guy wolbre but wants to vote for newb nova.

nova has been playing here for a few months now. this is wolbre's first game here.

Sloonei really fleshes out his perspective on Nova, which is in stark contrast to how he deals with the suspicions of dunya and Epi. He then invites Nova to offer his own input. To which Nova obliges with a post I thought was pretty sound.

Spoiler: show

Also wolbre and I are from the same original site, we've aldo played on mu once together. However, every game we've played together I've been mafia or independent so I never really bothered to learn his meta.

I don't believe he's ever been mafia and is still new to mafia as a whole compared to all of us, he's also deadily as an independent and in my opinion if he's one of those three trading guys he'll side with mafia for the lolz.

But no one asked about wolbre yet.

Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!

I don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MP

What don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?

All of nova's game-relevant content stems from this exchange and all that was established by it was the fact that sig and nova have played a couple games together. In my experience with nova he has been quiet early in games, and he's been town each time, so I'm not alarmed that he's been a low-key figure in this one. I do want there to be more content here, though.
@novaselinenever where is your head at right now? What do you think of the people who are voting for you and do you have any other reads to share?

This part of the game was when the Dom and Sig back and forth is in full effect. Sig being a player he had strong opinions of right from the start, but here when sig is starting to take pressure that ended in his lynch Sloonei is quiet on the subject and remains so right up until the finish. For someone who started the day concerned about sig's natural ability to be suspicious, for him to have no say on sig at the end of the day one way or the other is strange.

Here we have a direct interaction between he and sig. The only one towards the end of the day. Sloonei asked for feedback on why Nova was getting votes to which sig obliged. I don't think Sloonei directly asked sig, but sig did him the courtesy of answering the aforementioned question. It was sig who really ended up providing the perspective that ultimately allowed Sloonei to put his vote on Nova right at the death. If Sloonei trusted sig that much, why did he not defend him? What happened to his opinion on sig from earlier in the day?

I'm done talking with Dom, unless he brings up actual points against me or has something relevant to say about another player. We're getting nowhere talking and, at least in my mind, he has no interest in actually engaging me.

@Sloonei I'm voting there for mainly three reasons.
Nova's been present and posted, but hasn't really said much of anything.
Looking over some games mafia!Nova lurks like they're doing now. I'd add a slightly caveat by saying civ Nova does this also, but it seems to be to a lesser degree.
I don't like the main wagons and would prefer we lynch here or find someone else.

To the middle point, I'd say that this is actually the most active I remember seeing nova on Day 1. I remember two previous games with him and he was almost a complete no-show on Day 1 in both of those, but got busier as the game moved on. The interaction he had with you is something that is easily faked, but not something that needs to be.

I am with you on disliking the main wagons. Do you have any thoughts on Macdougall and Long Con? They've both been around but I haven't seen much chatter one way or the other on them.

During the last part of the day, Sloonei’s posts were pretty reasonable. He does what I would have done given the main wagons were bad. He ends up voting for Nova, which again I would have done. He would have us believe that he put his vote on Nova because it was the best option of the 4. Which is totally believable. It's important to understand that Sloonei is obviously a good player and if he is bad he isn't going to leave blatant thread clues. It is his opinions on sig throughout the day that makes me the most uncomfortable about him and the general approach. Overly cautious. One foot in and one foot out. It was calculated.

So to summarise. Sloonei postulated sig as a potential mislynch at the start of the day but pressured him throughout regardless. He hard defended dunya and Epi several times. He did this because ultimately dunya and Epi were highly unlikely to get lynched so he decided to just play to that and dismiss the points raised against the both of them without even commenting on them with any real perspective. As a scum player, this is an easier way to deal with cases against popular and aggressive players than actually looking into them and trying to push their lynch. He tried briefly to raise a case against Long Con towards EOD that was never going to amount to much. This is possible distancing, or more likely he just wanted to look like he was being discerning and not as weak and blendy as he had been up to that point. Eventually he asked for, and got a reason to vote for Nova ... from sig himself. But he didn't outright offer a read on sig at all throughout the day and avoided being a part to the final mislynch wagon. Sloonei was positioned from the start to be a civilian that would have, and should have seen sig for the townie that he was and defended him thus. And yet he did not.

I believe he is Persian. I don't think Nova is. Sloonei became relatively quiet right at the end of the day, most likely because he was chatting in BTSC and had no reason to fear the outcome of the lynch. If Sloonei is Persian there is a moderate chance that much of his days play can be explained by him subtly influencing the lynch away from a teammate Dunya. I don't think Epignosis teammate indicative because Epi growled at him at one point in the game in a very non teammate compatible way. More likely is that none of the lynch candidates were teammates at all and we never had any scum under pressure (aside from he himself briefly).

I have suspicions of Marmot as a result of my perspective on Sloonei. I do not believe Sloonei can be scum with Epignosis, MP, Nova or Turnip Head.

The suspicion of Marmot is because I felt like his initial vote on Sloonei wassilly teammate distancing and then when Sloonei got going Marmot got off that vote and they had a bit of a period where they had a back and forth in the thread which looked teammate indicative and was in contrast with the stop start posting rhythm both had exhibited up until that point.

He is also teammate compatible with Colin who is suspicious for other reasons.

[MacDougall]

I'll do some more later. For now I must go.

[Golden]

Colin, put yourself aside and ask yourself if my case makes sense without you in it.

[Kylemii]

I don’t eat feta

that's not very ancient greece of you

[Golden]

Im fully with you on Sloonei.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I just caught up. I am about to rain hell down on the following.

Sloonei
Marmot
Jack
Kyle
Luna

This should be good.