Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Tangrowth]

Well done, everyone!

And looking forward to playing with you again, speed.

I'd say, given that mechanic for Day 6, we intend on voting Nova and being unified in it. We should discuss it over the Night though.

Why me ? I'd think Speed's flip shows that we are not teammates and that the wagon on me was a counter-wagon to Speed's in order to save him. You and Scotty are good ones for D6.

Explain?

[dunya]

hell yeah! I knew this was FE speed.

I apologize for not voting yesterday guys. I had a flight back home (which was already postponed a few days because of air france strikes) then delayed and further train and bus delays. Took over 16hrs. I couldn't move my body after my shower.

I am back home! (and at work already) but I have loads more time for catchup and playing now!

[Tangrowth]

I'm willing to re-consider nova; I think it's prudent that we all reassess as many players as possible right now. I'm busy, but I'll see what analysis I can do as well before the deadline.

[Tangrowth]

hell yeah! I knew this was FE speed.

I apologize for not voting yesterday guys. I had a flight back home (which was already postponed a few days because of air france strikes) then delayed and further train and bus delays. Took over 16hrs. I couldn't move my body after my shower.

I am back home! (and at work already) but I have loads more time for catchup and playing now!

Welcome back, hope you enjoyed the trip despite the craziness.

[dunya]

who should I iso first?

i don't wanna spend my time defending myself before end of night, sorry Quin (I see your ISO of me on this page). if I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll get to that.

[dunya]

so what can we do tomorrow if I am alive? am I allowed to defend myself and do more isos without implying whether or not I'll be voting for that person?

[Tangrowth]

who should I iso first?

i don't wanna spend my time defending myself before end of night, sorry Quin (I see your ISO of me on this page). if I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll get to that.

nova or Scotty maybe?

[Tangrowth]

so what can we do tomorrow if I am alive? am I allowed to defend myself and do more isos without implying whether or not I'll be voting for that person?

I think we're OK as long as we don't hint too strongly at our votes.

[dunya]

hell yeah! I knew this was FE speed.

I apologize for not voting yesterday guys. I had a flight back home (which was already postponed a few days because of air france strikes) then delayed and further train and bus delays. Took over 16hrs. I couldn't move my body after my shower.

I am back home! (and at work already) but I have loads more time for catchup and playing now!

Welcome back, hope you enjoyed the trip despite the craziness.

Thanks! I loved Paris! I am going to move there as soon as I can. Working there with great business-minded people was a blast. I love their work ethics much more than here. But I hate airlines and airports.

[dunya]

who should I iso first?

i don't wanna spend my time defending myself before end of night, sorry Quin (I see your ISO of me on this page). if I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll get to that.

nova or Scotty maybe?

You got it. nova first, then Scotty.

[dunya]

hi wolbre.

hi JOH

hi TH

live interactions while I iso are good too

what's cooking with you guys? anything you wanna share?

[Turnip Head]

hi wolbre.

hi JOH

hi TH

live interactions while I iso are good too

what's cooking with you guys? anything you wanna share?

I'm about to get in the shower, idk if that helps

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sup, Dunya?

Scotty asked me if I know Daisy, Choutas and you are town.

I don’t know you’re town. Convince me. Let’s see those juicy ISOs.

[wolbre04]

hi wolbre.

hi JOH

hi TH

live interactions while I iso are good too

what's cooking with you guys? anything you wanna share?

Well I still have you near scum so if nova doesn't flip scum
Turnip head should be kept alive regardless for the sake of memes
Jack is probably town
Otherwise I'm sitting here eating cereal

[Jackofhearts2005]

hi wolbre.

hi JOH

hi TH

live interactions while I iso are good too

what's cooking with you guys? anything you wanna share?

I'm about to get in the shower, idk if that helps

Furiously. I mean, no. That’s not helpful.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’d go back to being silly again but I’ve been on a long townie cold streak and I just broke it with Speedchuck. I’m greedy. I want another baddie dead by my efforts.

[dunya]

Sup, Dunya?

Scotty asked me if I know Daisy, Choutas and you are town.

I don’t know you’re town. Convince me. Let’s see those juicy ISOs.

why do you read me as town currently?

[dunya]

hi wolbre.

hi JOH

hi TH

live interactions while I iso are good too

what's cooking with you guys? anything you wanna share?

I'm about to get in the shower, idk if that helps

it does. Persians don't shower. you're so totally town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sup, Dunya?

Scotty asked me if I know Daisy, Choutas and you are town.

I don’t know you’re town. Convince me. Let’s see those juicy ISOs.

why do you read me as town currently?

Cause some Persians threw shade at you. But they coulda been distancing.

[dunya]

Sup, Dunya?

Scotty asked me if I know Daisy, Choutas and you are town.

I don’t know you’re town. Convince me. Let’s see those juicy ISOs.

why do you read me as town currently?

Cause some Persians threw shade at you. But they coulda been distancing.

actually, I threw shade at them. Colin defended me iirc. speed was townreading me.

[dunya]

I don't want to lynch Spacedaisy. She's provided some keen insight even if she hasn't posted much.

Buuuut, I don't want more of that keen insight, or my mind will likely change.

in the end of my nova iso now, but I wonder: has Marmot every addressed this? I asked Marmot to identify what "keen insight" he was referring to, and don't remember a reply. so asking again for a friend. please help her out.

[dunya]

Nope. And I probably won't. Don't let that keep you from voting me if you feel like I'm bad. I mean I can be a pretty crafty baddie. But I'm not about to hide behind inactivity, fwiw. My lack of activity is just because of outside stuffs. If you find me bad, vote me. Don't let my shitty time management keep you from it.

Oh, don't worry, it's won't keep me from voting you.

I'm even more inclined to do so after this post tbh tbf. I don't like it at all.

Tell me whyyy

I don't like how she's taunting me and inviting me to for her " if I think she's bad ". All I did was ask her if she caught up and I feel like she's overreacting and the post doesn't feel genuine at all.

I don’t read that post in a taunting tone. I just see it as her being relatively disengaged with the game.
None of this alignment i dicative to me.

Don't you think it is a bit of an overreaction to a simple " Did you catch up yet ? " ?

Actually...

Who thinks Daisy's throwing herself under the bus for nova? That's a feeling that just occured to me after reading the above posts from nova.

so, Marmot here is suggesting that after nova busses Colin D2, he's trying to get bussing cred by lynching Daisy too? Does that seem...likely?

[dunya]

I really don't like this post. I feel it's hollow, just like the "keen insight" remark.

[dunya]

nova iso:

Spoiler: show

But no one asked about wolbre yet.

Good to know nonetheless. Looking forward to playing with you, wolbre!

I don't like this post its weird, light scum ping on MP

What don't you like about it ? Him calling you out ?

Given I share his perspective I am going to assume you aren't trying and are bad.

I'm trying but unlike you I don't share his perspective since I didn't like his initial post (sig's). It felt forced so I understand where MP is coming from and why he asked him that. I'd like to know why he found MP's post bad.

First I think we played a few games here and there on TS, but we weren't active in them at the same time.

I found it bad that MP called me out for giving meta information on a player that nobody else knew anything about. Like why wouldn't I offer this information unprompted? Especially when it might not be common knowledge that we're from the same site.

Oh my bad then. I've been fairly inactive in most of my games here so I might have missed you.

Well, it looked more like a 'no you' post after he called you out. About your initial post, it was more the tone of it than the information shared that rubbed me wrong. I appreciate the info given but it felt like you were over excited to talk about it. Forced. A premeditated post. Something baddies often do to appear helpful.

[VOTE: nova ] aubergine the case on them is uninspiring and honestly i can't tell their alignment, but I'd rather we not lynch epi or dunya and novq has from my memory coasted through entire games as mafia on NF.

This feels like a forced vote. Earlier when you mentioned me, you said that I was playing my Town meta by being quiet but now it's opposite. Which is it then ?

so first 2 real scum-hunting posts from nova were D1 accusations on sig with the general theme of "feeling forced". He literally used the word forced 3 times, once in each post, on 3 different occasions and different days. I don't know if I see what he saw, considering I initially took sig's side of the argument here, but I feel like nova sincerely felt that nova felt that, and he was consistent in his suspicion so I'm going to say +1 for this look (going down his posts, he's used the forced argument even more later on sig).


he gave some uninspiring reads on 3 people who were voting for him (TH, MacDougall, sig) after being promoted by Sloonei to give reads on people who had votes on him. He called NIA on TH because he doesn't know them or recall their posts, but read Town on Mac and scum on sig, without really having any focus itt on anyone but sig at that point. He gave reasons on why he read Mac as town, so I can't hold it against him.

Spoiler: show

One thing that bothers me about sig is all that conflict with dom and he's voting Nova and I don't really understand why.

He gave reasons. Mostly a meta-read on me, that I usually coast as scum on another forum, and him not liking the other (Dunya and Epi iirc) wagons.

However, he admitted to his vote being a forced one. He earlier also had an opposite meta-read on me, that I'm adhering to my Town meta by being quiet.

He answers Golden's post on sig with some clarification that sig did give reasons.
What I find funny in all this is that I have a completely different meta on nova than sig. Town nova is far more engaged itt than scum nova. I've seen it on NF and here. I've even been on a scum team with him in Image Mafia. He lays very, very low. All this noise from nova on D1 doesn't add up to the scum nova I know tbh. It's more in tune with town nova I've seen on NF. He was an inactive scum on another game on here (I don't recall which). The only time I've played with Town nova on NF, he was vocal. I hate doing activity based metas because they can be misrepresented (a low laying scum meta can be switched by an active scum). I just wouldn't say I agreed with sig's reasons either, so I'm not surprised nova got worked up about it.

Read Golden's case against me on the last page, and his posts that followed the lynch, and ask yourself, "Does this [the case against Colin] make any sense?"

I'm interested in hearing your answers.

It does make some sense. You voting off-wagon while 3 people are almost tied for the lynch and 1 vote can change everything is suspicious to say the least. It's the bad kind of suspicious.

It doesn't matter how weak the cases against Sig, Epi and me are, I don't believe that after all that happened today you didn't have any read on us three. In the case, you read both 3 of us as Town, you could have voted for your weakest Town read to try to save the two others that you read strongly as Town. You didn't even attempt that and just took the easy way out.

So yeah, you voting off wagon in such a crucial time is bad and Golden's case has merits. This is something a player with inside information (scum) would do since they would know who would flip Town and thus not participate so late in a mislynch to avoid scrutinization.

I quite like this. This is a pretty hard push against Colin on D2. We're saying nova and Colin are teammates. Colin had a pretty important scum role, so I feel like if they were going to bus someone on D2, it wouldn't have been Colin. They could have gone in another direction. I mean he has 5 shots and it was Day 2. He had 3 roleblocking and 1 killing shot and 1 demipower shot. That's significant. Scum team would have done more to protect him.

Later in the game if I use my ability, I message JimJammyJay about it, correct?

Why are you asking this here ? I don't want to be rude but this just feels out of place and not so innocent. You have a private chat with the host of the game, didn't you think of asking him there ?

I don't love this. But I don't hate it completely either because I can see why someone would be suspicious of being taken on a ride. I think wolbre is new here and was asking a genuine question. It could be he was town and trying to appear town intentionally by playing this "I don't have BTSC to be schooled", but yea, I've also seen new players play the dumb card a lot. I've seen old players play the dumb card w/r/t game mechanics and rules before too. I will say wolbre's question is NAI to me at all, but I can't help feel a bit weary of nova's tone here. Whatever his intentions were they weren't to paint wolbre in a good light. I'd have called this NAI and moved on and asked people not to pay attention to little quips like that because they could flip either way without any real basis.

Spoiler: show

Read Golden's case against me on the last page, and his posts that followed the lynch, and ask yourself, "Does this [the case against Colin] make any sense?"

I'm interested in hearing your answers.

It does make some sense. You voting off-wagon while 3 people are almost tied for the lynch and 1 vote can change everything is suspicious to say the least. It's the bad kind of suspicious.

It doesn't matter how weak the cases against Sig, Epi and me are, I don't believe that after all that happened today you didn't have any read on us three. In the case, you read both 3 of us as Town, you could have voted for your weakest Town read to try to save the two others that you read strongly as Town. You didn't even attempt that and just took the easy way out.

So yeah, you voting off wagon in such a crucial time is bad and Golden's case has merits. This is something a player with inside information (scum) would do since they would know who would flip Town and thus not participate so late in a mislynch to avoid scrutinization.

So I avoided scrutinization by doing something that is more likely to get scrutinized? Not following here. Isn't it scummier to just jump on an easy wagon and parrot some BS reason that somebody else said than to actually try and hold someone different up to a light?

It's not more likely to get scrutinized since the consequences are less important. You weren't trying to hold someone different up to a light since at the time of your vote that lynch wasn't going anywhere. You completely avoided participating in who gets lynched even though you had a choice between 3 people. Or did you read the 3 of us as Town ?

Also, what is your post trying to do here ? Are you using hypotheticals of what is scummier to defend yourself ?

there's a ton more posts against colin. nova was really all up in his face. There's still no way I think scum nova decided early on that a day 2 lynch of Colin was their best option. He was way more valuable alive than a buss target.

now here's where the mind fuckery begins:

Spoiler: show

@Spacedaisy Did you catch up ?

@novaselinenever who do you want to lynch today?

Spacedaisy and Choutas comes to mind.

You and Luna were my targets D3. Catching up, I liked you last day phase, working on Colin's interactions and genuinely scum-hunting, and your vote on me this day phase.

The only thing holding be back from Luna is the prophecies. I'm trying to work under the assumption that the Oracle isn't her, but I can't shake it completely.

He hasn't addressed Spacedaisy before that point (except to wish her a happy birthday). It seems like a very fast shift onto someone new. SD came out of the blue. And Choutas? Zero mentions of Choutas before that point except quoting TH's post asking him "what's up with him?" (ref: Choutas). to quote nova, at this point, I feel both those namedrops were "forced" here and he looked around for justification.

ok so he does offer some reasons. I don't like the Choutas reason much, but I think I can behind what he was seeing in SD if he isn't very familiar with SD..

@Spacedaisy Did you catch up ?

Nope. And I probably won't. Don't let that keep you from voting me if you feel like I'm bad. I mean I can be a pretty crafty baddie. But I'm not about to hide behind inactivity, fwiw. My lack of activity is just because of outside stuffs. If you find me bad, vote me. Don't let my shitty time management keep you from it.

Oh, don't worry, it's won't keep me from voting you.

I'm even more inclined to do so after this post tbh tbf. I don't like it at all.

Tell me whyyy

I don't like how she's taunting me and inviting me to for her " if I think she's bad ". All I did was ask her if she caught up and I feel like she's overreacting and the post doesn't feel genuine at all.

It can be taken that way. He didn't waver on those suspicions, even with MP's defense of Daisy. I cant say I can call him bad based on his suspicions, but I think it's weak reasoning that was amplified with Marmot's push. There's a bit of Marmot in that interaction I really didn't like and I've asked separate questions to him about it. I feel like I want to ISO Marmot before Scotty though.

My questions to nova are:
where were you going with asking Mac about MP? why aren't you pursuing Choutas harder despite naming him suspect several times along with Daisy? and where did the "look into Quin" angle go? Why has your activity level gone down after D4--to avoid heat?

[Scotty]

Nova pushed pretty hard on Colin n1. I feel better about him, meaning I feel correspondingly worse about Mr 2 Hotty.

You’re leaving out the crucial part of my whole case: he then actively pursues other avenues and reads on D2 and only mentions Colin towards the EoD when there was no hope for survival. I would have expected someone that “pushed pretty hard” to continue to push for D2.

Look it up, there’s nothing there.

[Scotty]

I think I'm cooling on Nova. Feel more confident that Speedchuck's early treatment of him was more likely a case of TMI. So now I'm revising my opinion of him from Wrong and bad to just wrong.

I may ISO him tomorrow though to be sure about it. Him and cbob are on my ISO list.

Jack is town. Scotty I thought was the town but the more he argues with Jack the more that feeling slips away. Will look at him too.

Yikes.

But why is jack town? I will have to peruse your iso because I know I’ve asked it and must have missed it since I’ve been asking this question.

[dunya]

Nova pushed pretty hard on Colin n1. I feel better about him, meaning I feel correspondingly worse about Mr 2 Hotty.

You’re leaving out the crucial part of my whole case: he then actively pursues other avenues and reads on D2 and only mentions Colin towards the EoD when there was no hope for survival. I would have expected someone that “pushed pretty hard” to continue to push for D2.

Look it up, there’s nothing there.

But why would nova have pushed on Colin at all is the question? Colin had one of the best scum roles (subjectively better than speed's even). With speed claiming burn out, if nova wanted to throw shade at someone, I imagine speed would have been the best target, esp since his role gets passed down to Colin anyway.

I just don't see it because there was only suspicion from Golden at that point, and he amplified it quite a lot. I know bussing exists, but bussing someone with 5 shots, and pretty good night actions, seems really fucking dumb.

[dunya]

If I'm reading nova solely based on Colin interactions and lynch pushes, he'd be a solid town read for me

[Scotty]

scotty's interactions with/about colin:

I would say that analyzing day 1 votes with someone like Colin is most helpful if we had a confirmed scum, but what do I know.

Regardless, I don’t view Colin as guilty looking as some people do.

The more I see Colin post, the more guilty he looks lol

This change of heart needs to be addressed.

Colin is bad. He’s not bothering to defend against it. He gettin lynched and then we’ll have some juicy interactions to analyze. I’m aleave my vote on Sloonei as a sensible counterwagon but ready for Colin to be lynched.

Timing is important here. If he was among the first votes on Sloonei I can interpret it as Scotty wanting to encourage multiple wagons (not a bad look). If it was later on he's just contradicting himself.

I was wondering by those accusing me never brought up my Colin interactions. I think objectively I do look bad there because I was flat out believing his story for the first half of D2. It seemed too easy and I was in distrust mode of Mac and Golden at the time. I don’t think I had broadcast this to the thread (or maybe I did idk) but I was
torn over the talking heads, and to whip out someone like Colin for voting off wagon seemed too easy. But the more Colin talked, the more his defense seemed weak and the more trapped he looked.

That’s what I got

RE: the Sloonei wagon: I probably wasn’t one of the first players to vote for Sloonei but, as I’m apparently doing this game, and for the 3rd time, I wanted a healthy counterwagon for the train in case there were any vote/lynch shenanigans. Why would I be contradicting myself?

[Scotty]

If I'm reading nova solely based on Colin interactions and lynch pushes, he'd be a solid town read for me

does it change your mind slightly to revisit that iso and find that nova didn’t actually mention Colin at all in D2 until he voted him towards the end of the train?

All those “pushes” were in N1

[Scotty]

I am also willing to be malleable I guess and not vote nova. But I’m a stubborn Taurus and Leonardo dicaprio’s Inception’d my mind into seeing this to the end.

I don’t want to mislynch tho, so if I am brutally wrong in my assessment, let me know.

[dunya]

But the more Colin talked, the more his defense seemed weak and the more trapped he looked.

I know what you mean (I've been there, done that), but other people will see this as the more Colin dug his grave and his lynch was inevitable, the more I flipped and joined the bandwagon. It can be both, but people often mistake genuine change of heart later in the day to "hopping on the bandwagon to look townie" cos scum often do that too. I've been town and avoided joining a bandwagon before despite wanting to because I realize how suspicious it would look to townies if I switch so late. It's hard to distinguish, really.

After I finish a couple more ISOs, I'm going to study more how the votes came in and who was defending him and what the environment was like (I wasn't around that EOD much unfortunately). I feel like someone on the scum team would have tried to defend Colin and get an alternate wagon going for sure though.

[dunya]

If I'm reading nova solely based on Colin interactions and lynch pushes, he'd be a solid town read for me

does it change your mind slightly to revisit that iso and find that nova didn’t actually mention Colin at all in D2 until he voted him towards the end of the train?

All those “pushes” were in N1

It's hard to tell when things were posted because the titles get screwed up. I will look into time by revisiting that day and how much he posted on D2 in general.

However, as it stands, I still don't see a motive for even a N1 push on Colin from scum nova.

[dunya]

I have some marketing work to finish up now so I'ma go do that. I'll be back in a couple hours or before.

[Spacedaisy]

I don't want to lynch Spacedaisy. She's provided some keen insight even if she hasn't posted much.

Buuuut, I don't want more of that keen insight, or my mind will likely change.

in the end of my nova iso now, but I wonder: has Marmot every addressed this? I asked Marmot to identify what "keen insight" he was referring to, and don't remember a reply. so asking again for a friend. please help her out.

I didn't see this. What does that even mean??

[Spacedaisy]

I think I'm cooling on Nova. Feel more confident that Speedchuck's early treatment of him was more likely a case of TMI. So now I'm revising my opinion of him from Wrong and bad to just wrong.

I may ISO him tomorrow though to be sure about it. Him and cbob are on my ISO list.

Jack is town. Scotty I thought was the town but the more he argues with Jack the more that feeling slips away. Will look at him too.

Yikes.

But why is jack town? I will have to peruse your iso because I know I’ve asked it and must have missed it since I’ve been asking this question.

Playing by gut my dear, and my gut strongly feels Jack is town.

[colonialbob]

Nova pushed pretty hard on Colin n1. I feel better about him, meaning I feel correspondingly worse about Mr 2 Hotty.

You’re leaving out the crucial part of my whole case: he then actively pursues other avenues and reads on D2 and only mentions Colin towards the EoD when there was no hope for survival. I would have expected someone that “pushed pretty hard” to continue to push for D2.

Look it up, there’s nothing there.

But why would nova have pushed on Colin at all is the question? Colin had one of the best scum roles (subjectively better than speed's even). With speed claiming burn out, if nova wanted to throw shade at someone, I imagine speed would have been the best target, esp since his role gets passed down to Colin anyway.

I just don't see it because there was only suspicion from Golden at that point, and he amplified it quite a lot. I know bussing exists, but bussing someone with 5 shots, and pretty good night actions, seems really fucking dumb.

This says my response likely better than I could.

Guys I like dunya.

[colonialbob]

If I'm reading nova solely based on Colin interactions and lynch pushes, he'd be a solid town read for me

does it change your mind slightly to revisit that iso and find that nova didn’t actually mention Colin at all in D2 until he voted him towards the end of the train?

All those “pushes” were in N1

No, it doesn't. I often won't push a strong suspect until the second half of a day phase, especially with 48 hr phases. It tends to stifle discussion, which is bad. I'd much rather spend time hunting and then zero in on my main target as EoD approaches. Nova was pushing other suspects d2, not just sitting on his hands. His play reads townie to me.

[Scotty]

If I'm reading nova solely based on Colin interactions and lynch pushes, he'd be a solid town read for me

does it change your mind slightly to revisit that iso and find that nova didn’t actually mention Colin at all in D2 until he voted him towards the end of the train?

All those “pushes” were in N1

No, it doesn't. I often won't push a strong suspect until the second half of a day phase, especially with 48 hr phases. It tends to stifle discussion, which is bad. I'd much rather spend time hunting and then zero in on my main target as EoD approaches. Nova was pushing other suspects d2, not just sitting on his hands. His play reads townie to me.

Ok, I will take this point of view into consideration


You may not be wrong

[Scotty]

I’m looking at other avenues tonight.

I figure my ass is probably a candidate for roasting tomorrow. I’m just gonna keep pushing out reads like I’ve been doing, I’ll do more comparative analysis with speed this time

[Turnip Head]

Cbob cummin in with the keen insight... i like it

[Scotty]

Speed and cbob:

Spoiler: show

Cbob:

And Mac if you’d been here I would have joined you in pushing the thread in another direction. I regret that MP had to leave just when he did. I was trying to catch up and never fully engaged with him in real time, that could have lead to better results.

Ugh, I just have to respond to this. I feel like a giant egghead for the sig mislynch. I officially can't read the guy, and I should have trusted my earlier self that was townreading him, because I got caught up in the moment and really thought he was the best option we had available. It was pretty difficult to develop any counterwagon at the time, but I regret my actions; I should have just stuck with Luna or went somewhere else I guess.

Ew.

[VOTE: M+7] aubergine

Explain.

You're apologizing and distancing from a D1 civ lynch. It was D1, the odds were always that it would be a civ. That's how the game works. Why would you feel guilty about that?

I'm not distancing. At all. That's the opposite of what I'm doing; I take full responsibility for my sig vote. Of course I regret it. Why wouldn't I feel guilty about mislynching a fellow townie?

"I voted him, but only because I didn't believe in myself" (paraphrased) - aka you let yourself get pushed into a Sig vote by the thread. Convenient way of deflecting blame onto others without having to specifically name anybody.

And again because it's D1. Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. (Unless it's JaggedJimmyJay's heist game and speedchuck and I are scummates )

WIFOM central

Why is kites/quin a more confident read than lapluie/cbob? speedchuck

I have a quindar. I don't have a cbobbar.

Apparently nobody does!

k

Pretty sure a chouta is kinda like a sopapilla.

What's a sopapilla?

Way more appetizing than nutella on cheese.

k

You know it is possible for me to roll town in games.

k

Hi. Sorry I've been absent, I had to write on my Friday off and also tomorrow and just couldn't this evening. Ill pay more attention tomorrow I promise.

Speedchuck / Scotty / Jack / MP

S & S - gonna be honest, vague feelings. Need to research.

Like Jack's effort recently. More please. Make me believe you're town looking to solve vs maf deciding to try when you finally catch heat.

MP - reasons I laid out yesterday. Will make a better more formal case tomorrow.

vague feelings on speed, promised to research.

@colonialbob

Tell me why Speedchuck is not a good lynch today.

He had early pressure/vote on Colin

I don't see much in his ISO that makes me real nervous I guess. I also don't see much that makes me feel real comfortable.

If nova is bad I think he is likely bad.

Still a vague answer, seems like a pure null read on speed to me.
Somehow he also comes to the same conclusion that I did with nova...except he has been actively defending nova.

Actually, @colonialbob show me one time mafia Jack has ever said that. I can’t think of one.

I've seen you say that on proboards.

Moving goal posts much? What I share on a mafia btsc and what I say on a game thread are two entirely different things and you comparing the two is scummy.

K.

Talk about people besides speedchuck please.

asks jack to stop talking about speed is not necessarily sus, but I haven't seen any signs of cbob condemning speed or really sharing his "research" with the class.

Sorry folks I ended up making last minute plans after working today and only just remembered this is ending soon.

I don't love any of these trains but I admit I was mostly poking Jack to see how he'd react. I feel his reactions were fairly townie.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Made the same mistake I did thinking the day ended on saturday, and plops a vote on speed even though he doesn't "love" the speed, nova or jack trains.

And that's it!

speedchuck:

Thanks, care to answer my other question now?

I completely missed your other question.

Have a rainbow of my mindset.

speedchuck
MacDougall
Golden
dunya
novaselinenever
Long Con
Scotty
Kylemii
Lunalee
wolbre04
Sloonei
Dom
Marmot
M Plus 7
Choutas
Kites / Quin
lapluie / colonialbob
Spacedaisy
Jackofhearts2005
Turnip Head
ColinIsCool

It's mutidimensional, too. I bolded people if I felt confident about their placement. This is based on a skim, and I feel like a third of the game isn't taking things seriously. Which is fun and all, but I can't do it, nor can I read it.

cbob is in the orange on speed's fake rainbow D2. This isn't a great sign, since colin was dead red. But it's not really condemning either.


Day3:

People who are voting LC because of his Colin defense - why havent any of you expressed suspicion of me?

There's too many players in this game to keep tabs on all of you aaaaaaaaaaaaaand Long Con currently has 8 votes and the day ends in ~30 minutes.

Yeah but those second two things don't really explain it because people have had 3 days?

Guys, what if cbob is scum?

Night 4:

Fine.

GTH:

Sloonei
Dunya
Scotty
Sprityo
CBob

Good
Good
Bad
Bad
Good

What changed in speed's read from "what if he's scum" to "he's good gth"

i feel most comfortable after negotiation with the voices in my head with nova getting lynched, then speed. But I feel like it would be asking a lot of the 6 people on speed’s train to switch and I don’t really feel like I have any footing to defend speed with any confidence so.

Just for shits. (Turnip, don’t think jack is taking off today anyway)

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine

I’ll keep the nova train healthy

I’m still thinking over everything. I don’t want to railroad speed but at the same time I don’t feel inspired to move.

lol I don’t feel inspired to get you to move

Same here, and I feel bad about it.

It's like when you set aside time for homework and all you wanna do is play video games. I'm pretty sure that if I don't get lynched today, I'll get lynched tomorrow. The only alternative on the menu that I think is scummy is Jack. MP's not on the menu. Quin's probably not on the menu, and it would take like an hour of work to get him on there.

Who are the 3 indies in your opinion?

Well, I was just checking the role list. New development. Technically, there's only one indy left. Choutas or Quin are not bad picks for it. Though Quin's not a bad pick for scum either.

JoH is possibly the indy that just picked, since he's getting all into the game now. Since he already picked and I'm not dead... it's more likely he picked town. Because he wouldn't pick scum after convincing himself that I am scum and pushing so hard for my lynch.
Lowers the odds that he's scum, given the way that the timing lines up.

The other 3P picked an alignment on N2 I think. Right after the Colin lynch. That would lead me to think they picked town as well. It was also so early that they probably haven't been playing like a typical 3P. They have been town (or technically mafia) for a while now. If it's town, they're probably Nova, Kylemii... Sloonei picked up a lot after D2 as well. Cbob is also an option.
If they're scum... then it's just another scumster, hunted normally.
Really this 3P could be most anyone I guess. The only candidates that played too hard for one side on D1 or D2 are dead by now.

Hard to narrow it down. Maybe Quin, Jack, Sloonei?

Very offhand, buried in that comment.

I think based on cbob's non committal attitude to speedchuck's guilt and the occasional wifom and glacning towards cbob's way from speed that cbob is a candidate for teammateness.

Will do more as i am abailable today, which isn't too much

[Scotty]

Why has no one done a speedchuck breakdown yet?

TH, just glancing at his D2 rainbow where he lumps you in the same color as colin is a terrrrrific look for you btw

[Turnip Head]

[mention]Scotty[/mention] tty Thats nice

My guess is speed played a subtly great game until the heat got turnt up which is why I'm letting less lazy people do the legwork.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nova pushed pretty hard on Colin n1. I feel better about him, meaning I feel correspondingly worse about Mr 2 Hotty.

You’re leaving out the crucial part of my whole case: he then actively pursues other avenues and reads on D2 and only mentions Colin towards the EoD when there was no hope for survival. I would have expected someone that “pushed pretty hard” to continue to push for D2.

Look it up, there’s nothing there.

But that's what you did with both Colin and Speedchuck....

[speedchuck]

Why has no one done a speedchuck breakdown yet?

[Sloonei]

Why has no one done a speedchuck breakdown yet?

TH, just glancing at his D2 rainbow where he lumps you in the same color as colin is a terrrrrific look for you btw

becuz im busy

[Scotty]

Nova pushed pretty hard on Colin n1. I feel better about him, meaning I feel correspondingly worse about Mr 2 Hotty.

You’re leaving out the crucial part of my whole case: he then actively pursues other avenues and reads on D2 and only mentions Colin towards the EoD when there was no hope for survival. I would have expected someone that “pushed pretty hard” to continue to push for D2.

Look it up, there’s nothing there.

But that's what you did with both Colin and Speedchuck....

I can see Colin- I didn’t have a firm grasp on Colin towards the end- but that’s not how I went about with soeedchuck at all, and you know it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nova pushed pretty hard on Colin n1. I feel better about him, meaning I feel correspondingly worse about Mr 2 Hotty.

You’re leaving out the crucial part of my whole case: he then actively pursues other avenues and reads on D2 and only mentions Colin towards the EoD when there was no hope for survival. I would have expected someone that “pushed pretty hard” to continue to push for D2.

Look it up, there’s nothing there.

But that's what you did with both Colin and Speedchuck....

I can see Colin- I didn’t have a firm grasp on Colin towards the end- but that’s not how I went about with soeedchuck at all, and you know it.

I ISOed you and I don’t know that.

Show me where you pushed to lynch Speedchuck in any meaningful way. Saying Speed is probably bad and voting for Nova instead does not count. That’s just as likely a save as a push.

[Scotty]

Nova pushed pretty hard on Colin n1. I feel better about him, meaning I feel correspondingly worse about Mr 2 Hotty.

You’re leaving out the crucial part of my whole case: he then actively pursues other avenues and reads on D2 and only mentions Colin towards the EoD when there was no hope for survival. I would have expected someone that “pushed pretty hard” to continue to push for D2.

Look it up, there’s nothing there.

But that's what you did with both Colin and Speedchuck....

I can see Colin- I didn’t have a firm grasp on Colin towards the end- but that’s not how I went about with soeedchuck at all, and you know it.

I ISOed you and I don’t know that.

Show me where you pushed to lynch Speedchuck in any meaningful way. Saying Speed is probably bad and voting for Nova instead does not count. That’s just as likely a save as a push.

I’ve already given you those quotes. We’re beating a dead horse here. Except the horse is a Norwegian ridgeback and it’s not dead and people are watching