Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] I know you moved your read of nova from "wrong and bad" to "just wrong" - did you explain why?
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
Yes, I think Speedchuck's early defense of him reads more like TMI rather than protecting a teammate. He knew Nova would not flip bad.
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
[mention]Quin[/mention] i do not strongly recommend flcl
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
Daisy’s town. Her case meant the difference between Speed being lynched or not yesterday. That was no bus.
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
Welp, probably means I'm the next death then... LOL.
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Oh, also I think I woudl move Kyle into the Town column, or at least the town leaning 3P column. I don't see any reason to suspect him. I like that he pointed me at Speedchuck to begin with.
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
the thing about 3p in this game is, sure they had potential to help the mafia but like... on the chalkboard they had potential to help out either half of the civs, who they'd have no way of personally identifying, or helping the mafia who they also had no way of identifying. At best they are working towards the same goal as we are, at worst they are working against our goal, with no way of knowing that they're making the right choices to help their own self interest.
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yes... that is the thingKylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 4:45 pm the thing about 3p in this game is, sure they had potential to help the mafia but like... on the chalkboard they had potential to help out either half of the civs, who they'd have no way of personally identifying, or helping the mafia who they also had no way of identifying. At best they are working towards the same goal as we are, at worst they are working against our goal, with no way of knowing that they're making the right choices to help their own self interest.
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turns out my strength in mafia is getting other people to do my work for me B)Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 4:41 pm Oh, also I think I woudl move Kyle into the Town column, or at least the town leaning 3P column. I don't see any reason to suspect him. I like that he pointed me at Speedchuck to begin with.
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
3P for life, if I could roll it every game I would
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
but I'm totally town here ofc
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
Well, you wouldn't likely have pointed me towards scrutinizing Speedchuck if you were on his team. Therefore, I am relatively certain you can be placed in at least light green.
[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] I wish I felt as convinced of that. I'm wary of players trying to advertise their 3Pness. Could much more easily be a facade to hide behind. What do you feel like your biggest contribution to the town has been this game?
[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] I wish I felt as convinced of that. I'm wary of players trying to advertise their 3Pness. Could much more easily be a facade to hide behind. What do you feel like your biggest contribution to the town has been this game?
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
ofc
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
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Kyle is an anomaly this game for me. As I’m weeding out the bad from the good, Kyle’s a solid bull for me.
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
stop trying to read me
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it's illegal
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
then I'm right where I want to beSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 4:51 pm Well, you wouldn't likely have pointed me towards scrutinizing Speedchuck if you were on his team. Therefore, I am relatively certain you can be placed in at least light green.
@Turnip Head I wish I felt as convinced of that. I'm wary of players trying to advertise their 3Pness. Could much more easily be a facade to hide behind. What do you feel like your biggest contribution to the town has been this game?

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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
Answer the question please. What have you contributed to town?
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Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 4:57 pm Answer the question please. What have you contributed to town?

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My ISO of TH isn't current, but check it out. I felt the same way at one point but after reading all his posts (it was pretty fun actually), he's had some hard stances and opinions and isn't as disconnected as it seems at first glance. Here's a link to my thoughts.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 4:57 pm Answer the question please. What have you contributed to town?

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glad I looked back to that ISO. look at this from speed.

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but I saw her first 

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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
Interesting dunya, will have to add TH to the "Should ISO" list. I am trying not to get too caught up in technical analysis though, giving the gut playing a thorough try this go round!dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 5:01 pmMy ISO of TH isn't current, but check it out. I felt the same way at one point but after reading all his posts (it was pretty fun actually), he's had some hard stances and opinions and isn't as disconnected as it seems at first glance. Here's a link to my thoughts.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 4:57 pm Answer the question please. What have you contributed to town?
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most of my read on TH in my ISO is gut based built on tone. I did add a disclaimer that I've never played with him, so I have an advantage of seeing him with fresh eyes and a disadvantage of not knowing how he plays as scum.

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still working on Marmot but something I want to addressL
I actually don't agree with that. When I'm supertowning or haven't got any heat on me, sure, I'm not actively caring or thinking about how I look. But when people suspect me when I'm town, I'm definitely more conscious of what I post and how I phrase it so I don't give anyone more ammunition to misrepresent my intentions or take things out of context. Sorry, this isn't really part of the ISO you, but I see this line of thought a lot and I can even throw shit towards someone about it, but essentially, even townies want to look town so they are trusted by other townies and not lynched. Half a townie's job is to vote and the other half is to not get lynched. saying we don't worry about it is really oversimplifying things.

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Yeah but Marmot gave himself an out there by saying "usually"
Evetybody towns different
(Supatown always gets killed tho)
Evetybody towns different
(Supatown always gets killed tho)
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Yay speedchuck was bad.

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
If nobody kills me I'll technicolor the Day 5 lynch.
If somebody kills me, well that's another vocal player gone.
If somebody kills me, well that's another vocal player gone.


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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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Lol I like how you didn’t say “another vocal town player gone”
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Why would I say that?

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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and so we begin the journey of the Marmot.
he made a pretty long ISO of Scotty's interactions with Epi after his death:
only to conclude it with a town read on Scotty. He didn't ISO anyone else's interactions in relation to Epi that day phase. I actually feel good about this. It seemed authentic to me that he had suspicions of Scotty and instead of tunneling him he was convinced otherwise after investigating. +1
after that, there's a lot of Sloonei posts and post snippets:
there's more on that Day 2 but those are the main 2. I actually really dig the inquisition and genuine scum hunting nature. I'm curious to keep reading and see where he dropped his Sloonei suspicion. I also suspected Sloonei early in the game, but whenever I'd come back into the thread, there were others to fry and he's slipped from my radar without a conclusive answer, except he's acting more like town sloon with his posts and directed questions. I'm going to revisit his posts one of these days, because I can't really remember most of them tbh.
actually wait a second, the more I read into Marmot in EOD2, the more he is actively pushing for a Sloonei lynch instead of Colin. Could he be the guy I'm looking for?
oh wait...wait...he voted Colin in the end?
I am...confused.
I don't think I'm even going to try and understand. Apparently he suddenly believed Sloonei to be 3p. I don't know. I'm too tired to try and analyze this but I really want to get this done before EON. if anyone wants to explain what happened maybe i missed a page in Marmot's iso? please explain.
anyway, back at it:
This is a pretty good look for Marmot now that both LC and Luna have flipped town. He defended Luna, but set her up for a lynch in the event LC turned scum. A scum Marmot would know that LC is gonna flip town. He wasn't defending a teammate. Luna also flipped town. I feel like scum Marmot had no motive whatsoever to make this connection and observation so a +1 here.
he goes on to make some technicolor voting pattern lists up to day 3, which is helpful townie behavior and a lot of fucking effort, esp since I always forget to use the damn vote tags
a newly opened case on Scotty (he actually forgot he'd already analyzed Scotty and Epi's posts before, and that doesn't strike me as a scum trying to frame someone...they'd be far more calculating) as a result of his vote analysis. (Scotty was my next ISO but I decided to do Marmot first...good choice for me cos I got to see a lot of Scotty's content this way lol). Marmot's reasoning and progression seemed genuine to me here too especially that he admits he forgot he'd already done this before. doesn't seem like an oopsie scum marmot would have made to contradict himself and open speculation on his cases as a result.
this is the post I don't think I have gotten a reply on yet and it pinged me. what was the keen insight Daisy had offered. It got even worse after that backhanded defence where in the post after it he suggests nova is bussing Daisy who is throwing herself under the bus. After Colin was lynched, I see absolutely no reason why another scum who has no heat on her would offer to do that? seemed like a really hollow and fake possibility.
the funny thing is he soon joins NOVA in suspecting daisy on her own, when most of the initial suspicion revolved around a nova/Daisy bussing scenario so this continuation of the nova suspicion just didn't make sense to me:
even more alarming to me is that he makes a rainbow with Spacedaisy and nova both in his bottom, red three, so giving nova any credence is really weird and I really don't like that whole episode. It's probably the worst thing Marmot has done and still hasn't answered me on the keen insight thing because most likely he doesn't have an answer to that.
this makes scotty seem really suspicious. after going through Marmot, labeling him under IDGaF is quite absurd--he's put in more effort than most people I've already ISO'd holy crap--and Marmot acting appalled seems genuine I guess.
There's a lot of good points for Marmot after reviewing his ISO, but really the whole nova/Daisy thing is just so sloppy and bad I really can't shake off the bad feelings that come from it. Hope Marmot comes in and addresses some of those points and where his head was at.
Marmot's second post itt, and it's straight to throwing suspicion my way. I wonder what happened with this suspicion...Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:08 amI do the same thing sometimes... because I'm bad.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:03 amThis post strengthens my suspicion of dunya. Votes for pressure don't have a lot of teeth when you explain them away as harmless prodders.dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:01 amI dunno. I prodded Scotty for info on his personality both from Scotty and others, and backed it up with a vote. My vote and questioning his motives and sincerity has created discussion. This is a good thing. We have 48 hours; my vote's moving all over the place before I make a more informed Day 1 decision.
oh look how it turns out. He places a placeholder vote on Sloonei. I mean, he just said I did something that he does when he's bad. and yet his placeholder vote goes randomly on Sloonei whom he hadn't interacted with itt.
His first real vote backed with a defence of why he's voting that way. Spacedaisy wasn't under any other suspicion and Marmot actually took time to build a case. I like it.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:58 pm Switching my vote to Spacedaisy because pretty much her only on topic posts so far are interactions with dunya which include a mild defense, followed by a step back, then a step forward.
annnd I'm back to not being in love with this. He suspects Daisy, and claims he has nothing against me? What about Day 1 post where he came and backed LC's suspicion of me without being prompted to do so...just casually throwing shade my way and seeing what sticks? not a good look.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:43 pmI don't have anything against dunya though.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:10 pmDude, there is a difference between defending someone as civ and confirming their story. I was asked directly by dunya to confirm what she was saying. She asked directly about a conversation between she and I that I did not recall. But since I know I'm not bad, she s unlikely to be lying about that particular point. I have no idea what her affiliaton is, but I have actually confirmed in my messages with dunya on discord and we have had a conversation about various players' play styles and yes Dom was one of them. So lynch her if you want. I have no idea if she is good or bad, but if that is all that you have against her, I can say first hand it is weak. Or lynch me instead, I don't care. Better me than a try hard civ.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:58 pm Switching my vote to Spacedaisy because pretty much her only on topic posts so far are interactions with dunya which include a mild defense, followed by a step back, then a step forward.
Now, I'm going to go enjoy my birthday! See ya
linki @ lunalee: Don't care if it looks scummy. We are talking about a player voting for me that votes himself Day 1 every single game. So why is he voting me now? For weak sauce reasons.
he made a pretty long ISO of Scotty's interactions with Epi after his death:
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only to conclude it with a town read on Scotty. He didn't ISO anyone else's interactions in relation to Epi that day phase. I actually feel good about this. It seemed authentic to me that he had suspicions of Scotty and instead of tunneling him he was convinced otherwise after investigating. +1
after that, there's a lot of Sloonei posts and post snippets:
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there's more on that Day 2 but those are the main 2. I actually really dig the inquisition and genuine scum hunting nature. I'm curious to keep reading and see where he dropped his Sloonei suspicion. I also suspected Sloonei early in the game, but whenever I'd come back into the thread, there were others to fry and he's slipped from my radar without a conclusive answer, except he's acting more like town sloon with his posts and directed questions. I'm going to revisit his posts one of these days, because I can't really remember most of them tbh.
actually wait a second, the more I read into Marmot in EOD2, the more he is actively pushing for a Sloonei lynch instead of Colin. Could he be the guy I'm looking for?
oh wait...wait...he voted Colin in the end?
I am...confused.
I don't think I'm even going to try and understand. Apparently he suddenly believed Sloonei to be 3p. I don't know. I'm too tired to try and analyze this but I really want to get this done before EON. if anyone wants to explain what happened maybe i missed a page in Marmot's iso? please explain.
anyway, back at it:
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This is a pretty good look for Marmot now that both LC and Luna have flipped town. He defended Luna, but set her up for a lynch in the event LC turned scum. A scum Marmot would know that LC is gonna flip town. He wasn't defending a teammate. Luna also flipped town. I feel like scum Marmot had no motive whatsoever to make this connection and observation so a +1 here.
he goes on to make some technicolor voting pattern lists up to day 3, which is helpful townie behavior and a lot of fucking effort, esp since I always forget to use the damn vote tags

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a newly opened case on Scotty (he actually forgot he'd already analyzed Scotty and Epi's posts before, and that doesn't strike me as a scum trying to frame someone...they'd be far more calculating) as a result of his vote analysis. (Scotty was my next ISO but I decided to do Marmot first...good choice for me cos I got to see a lot of Scotty's content this way lol). Marmot's reasoning and progression seemed genuine to me here too especially that he admits he forgot he'd already done this before. doesn't seem like an oopsie scum marmot would have made to contradict himself and open speculation on his cases as a result.
this is the post I don't think I have gotten a reply on yet and it pinged me. what was the keen insight Daisy had offered. It got even worse after that backhanded defence where in the post after it he suggests nova is bussing Daisy who is throwing herself under the bus. After Colin was lynched, I see absolutely no reason why another scum who has no heat on her would offer to do that? seemed like a really hollow and fake possibility.
the funny thing is he soon joins NOVA in suspecting daisy on her own, when most of the initial suspicion revolved around a nova/Daisy bussing scenario so this continuation of the nova suspicion just didn't make sense to me:
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even more alarming to me is that he makes a rainbow with Spacedaisy and nova both in his bottom, red three, so giving nova any credence is really weird and I really don't like that whole episode. It's probably the worst thing Marmot has done and still hasn't answered me on the keen insight thing because most likely he doesn't have an answer to that.
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this makes scotty seem really suspicious. after going through Marmot, labeling him under IDGaF is quite absurd--he's put in more effort than most people I've already ISO'd holy crap--and Marmot acting appalled seems genuine I guess.
There's a lot of good points for Marmot after reviewing his ISO, but really the whole nova/Daisy thing is just so sloppy and bad I really can't shake off the bad feelings that come from it. Hope Marmot comes in and addresses some of those points and where his head was at.

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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
[mention]dunya[/mention] That Day 1 post to Long Con was an inside joke. One time when I was mafia, our team cursed Long Con to finish every single one of his posts with the phrase "because I'm bad".
So um, there was no sincerity there at all. Just meaningless Day 1 banter.
So um, there was no sincerity there at all. Just meaningless Day 1 banter.

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I didnt expect there to be a real emoji for :yum;
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I honestly can't remember what specifically SpaceDaisy said. I remember someone else posting a similar thing wert a post Spacedaisy made, and I stole their line.
Lol .
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
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I noticed you, but haven’t done conclusive reads on you yet
When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
not screaming like the people in his car
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
Only read some of the posts from yesterday's lynch, anyone want to summarize what happened that day? If you don't remember or it's not that memorable that's fine. Just thought I'd ask.
One thing I've determined is that Spacedaisy is now up to at least yellow after perusing her ISO. Her keen insight is really here this time.
One thing I've determined is that Spacedaisy is now up to at least yellow after perusing her ISO. Her keen insight is really here this time.

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
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When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
not screaming like the people in his car
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When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather;
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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Night 5]
This was a response to dunya's ISO.
I remember some of the things you've said this game. I just can't remember why exactly I made this post.

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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