Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[dunya]

If Jack and dunya are bad and we lose, will it be my fault?

If me and Jack are w/w I'll set up a sig banner on here for the first time in my life that says "TH is the best mafia player in the world and I bow down to his amazingness!" for a year.

yea dude, ain't happening.

[Turnip Head]

If Jack and dunya are bad and we lose, will it be my fault?

does your read on dunya require your read on jack to be true?

also does your read on jack require your read on dunya to be true

I want to lynch Jack first and the dunya stuff springs ftom that.

[dunya]

2) Wolbre isn't standard Syndicate and Speedchuck thinks like me in a lot of ways.

If those two were mafia together, the scum kill on N1 makes a lot of sense.

I don't understand #2. explain it to me.

[Turnip Head]

If Jack and dunya are bad and we lose, will it be my fault?

If me and Jack are w/w I'll set up a sig banner on here for the first time in my life that says "TH is the best mafia player in the world and I bow down to his amazingness!" for a year.

yea dude, ain't happening.

Why are you trying to mess with my already fragile state of mind

[Kylemii]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] I don't understand the link youre proposing between dunya and jack

[dunya]

@Turnip Head I don't understand the link youre proposing between dunya and jack

he thinks I'm bussing Jack.

[dunya]

If Jack and dunya are bad and we lose, will it be my fault?

If me and Jack are w/w I'll set up a sig banner on here for the first time in my life that says "TH is the best mafia player in the world and I bow down to his amazingness!" for a year.

yea dude, ain't happening.

Why are you trying to mess with my already fragile state of mind

[Turnip Head]

No [mention]Kylemii[/mention] mii I think they started getting chummy with each other like a day or two ago, there's a weird rhythm with their posts to each other. I'd explain myself with gifs but I'm mobile

[dunya]

[Kylemii]

yeah, i don't really get it, maybe I'd understand it better if it were expressed in the form of some sort of animated pictures

[Turnip Head]

Like the fact that no one's giving Jack shit for trying to lynch Marmot tells you all you need to know. That happened like 2 hours before deadline. Who supatowns like that, and why doesnt it concern dunya?

[dunya]

Like the fact that no one's giving Jack shit for trying to lynch Marmot tells you all you need to know. That happened like 2 hours before deadline. Who supatowns like that, and why doesnt it concern dunya?

I'm one person, I have a life too. I can't follow every lead. I'm trying to broaden my reads and ISO wolbre and Kyle who I haven't yet. I suspect Jack a healthy amount. if you have a new case/evidence, bring it forward.

[dunya]

also how does it tell you all you need to know? there's 2 scum and you're implying jack is one of them. so what about the 8 other players. heck, what about Marmot himself?

[Turnip Head]

I dont have a new case I just somehow got roped into talking about the same one again

[Jackofhearts2005]

2) Wolbre isn't standard Syndicate and Speedchuck thinks like me in a lot of ways.

If those two were mafia together, the scum kill on N1 makes a lot of sense.

I don't understand #2. explain it to me.

Syndicate mafias just kill people and I never understand why.

Wolbre doesn’t have to follow this and may kill someone who is onto him. Speedchuck plays like me to an extent so the straightforward kill on a player suspicious of a teammate makes sense for him, too. I guess Colin is also not a Syndicate regular.

Point is, there doesn’t have to be an incomprehensible kill choice like if the mafia was...Jimmy, DDL, Long Con and Wilgy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Turnip Head I don't understand the link youre proposing between dunya and jack

he thinks I'm bussing Jack.

Who busses the bussers?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I dont have a new case I just somehow got roped into talking about the same one again

“Somehow” “roped into”

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Night 7 is over.

Spoiler: show

M Plus 7 has been killed. He was:

Spoiler: show

Miltiades

Day 8 is underway. You have 48 hours to lynch someone. Bear with me while I set up the poll on my damned phone.

[Turnip Head]

I pushed the button

[wolbre04]

[Kylemii]

what do you guys think the chance of novasalinever using poll removal power on himself? like timingwise

this is something I'd like to review

[Jackofhearts2005]

what do you guys think the chance of novasalinever using poll removal power on himself? like timingwise

this is something I'd like to review

Low and also, he said he didn’t do it.

Dunya said she didn’t do it.

Anyone else been town reading Nova? I can kinda see what Dunya sees (said as much a few days back, when Scotty or Speed was lynched iirc) but at the same time, seems like a baddie move to use a traded town power to “confirm” a baddie.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Where’s your head at, Wolbre?

[Kylemii]

llllllet's see what happens if I [VOTE: novasalinever] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

llllllet's see what happens if I [VOTE: novasalinever] aubergine

Voting 48 hours earlier than normal, aren’t you?

[Tangrowth]

Bummer.

[Sloonei]

If jack is mafia and Sloonei is a mafia sided indie then that would explain why Sloonei dismissed the idea of jack having bussed speedchuck so easily and without reaistance

Yea only if sloonei is 3p aligned with persia he doesn't know jack is scum...so...

my point is that Sloonei aligned with town is gonna put the footwork in before deciding his opinion on something rather than afterwards.

what?

[wolbre04]

Where’s your head at, Wolbre?

I think that Nova somehow ended up with the poll remove tbh. Alternatively, novas scum partner got it and used it on him. That's all I can say I feel strongly about, but I feel like there may be one scum in
Dunya
TH
Jack

[Sloonei]

what do you guys think the chance of novasalinever using poll removal power on himself? like timingwise

this is something I'd like to review

Low and also, he said he didn’t do it.

Dunya said she didn’t do it.

Anyone else been town reading Nova? I can kinda see what Dunya sees (said as much a few days back, when Scotty or Speed was lynched iirc) but at the same time, seems like a baddie move to use a traded town power to “confirm” a baddie.

I don't think anyone would be allowed to confess to doing it. I've town read nova for a while but, of course, I didn't remove him from the poll.

[Sloonei]

Where’s your head at, Wolbre?

I think that Nova somehow ended up with the poll remove tbh. Alternatively, novas scum partner got it and used it on him. That's all I can say I feel strongly about, but I feel like there may be one scum in
Dunya
TH
Jack

Talk to me more about these three names. What specifically makes you scum read each one of them in turn? And what's your best argument for town reading each of them?

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: kylemii] aubergine because that's where I really wanted to vote yesterday and no one ever really picked up the discussion on him after I left, unless I missed it. I might have missed it. I've been falling into lazy habits this game.
Let's talk about kyle, is my point.

[Sloonei]

My Kyle ISO from yesterday

[Kylemii]

llllllet's see what happens if I [VOTE: novasalinever] aubergine

Voting 48 hours earlier than normal, aren’t you?

yeah it appears so

[Sloonei]

Marmot is the Helot. He may not be lynched. He may not be killed. He may not vote.

Ffs

Marmot called out dunya for appearing to have a frustrated response to his stumping. What about this one?

[Kylemii]

If jack is mafia and Sloonei is a mafia sided indie then that would explain why Sloonei dismissed the idea of jack having bussed speedchuck so easily and without reaistance

Yea only if sloonei is 3p aligned with persia he doesn't know jack is scum...so...

my point is that Sloonei aligned with town is gonna put the footwork in before deciding his opinion on something rather than afterwards.

what?

you decided I hadn't given any opinions or contributed without actually having read my posts, you did the same thing with your opinion about jack. you said "there's no way jack is mafia and bussed speedchuck" and didn't actually look into it until later when you did an iso to come to the same conclusion you had when you hadn't read anything.

[VOTE: kylemii] aubergine because that's where I really wanted to vote yesterday and no one ever really picked up the discussion on him after I left, unless I missed it. I might have missed it. I've been falling into lazy habits this game.
Let's talk about kyle, is my point.

you missed my response to your iso as well as a few other people's responses to your iso

[Sloonei]

I said that I did not see why the argument about jack bussing speedchuck existed, and my view of the situation, which was not entirely uninformed, was that Jack was the leader of the speedchuck lynch. This is generally something that I town-read players for. I then spent some time asking to be presented with a counter-argument. Then I did the research myself. We've also been over the motivation for my vote yesterday, [mention]Kylemii[/mention].

I have just been reading everything from after I left yesterday and didn't see your response, HOLD ON

[Kylemii]

I was thinking it'd be pretty cool if we lynched novaselinever today though, actually.

[wolbre04]

Marmot is the Helot. He may not be lynched. He may not be killed. He may not vote.

Ffs

Marmot called out dunya for appearing to have a frustrated response to his stumping. What about this one?

I was driving when this happened and checked at a stoplight, I was pissed bc I was uncertain whether I would be able to be around for the final few mins in case a huge CFD happened or revelation

[Sloonei]

Marmot is the Helot. He may not be lynched. He may not be killed. He may not vote.

Ffs

Marmot called out dunya for appearing to have a frustrated response to his stumping. What about this one?

I was driving when this happened and checked at a stoplight, I was pissed bc I was uncertain whether I would be able to be around for the final few mins in case a huge CFD happened or revelation

I told you not to mafia and drive!

how about those three scum reads?

[Sloonei]

I was thinking it'd be pretty cool if we lynched novaselinever today though, actually.

What prompted this thought?

[wolbre04]

Marmot is the Helot. He may not be lynched. He may not be killed. He may not vote.

Ffs

Marmot called out dunya for appearing to have a frustrated response to his stumping. What about this one?

I was driving when this happened and checked at a stoplight, I was pissed bc I was uncertain whether I would be able to be around for the final few mins in case a huge CFD happened or revelation

I told you not to mafia and drive!

how about those three scum reads?

Haha I would just check at stoplights and such
I feel like those three have contributed such to a point that there almost has to be a scum in there. I'm not scum, marmot isn't scum, I'm pretty sure you aren't scum, so that leaves us with Kyle and them. I think Kyle is just being a goofball but I'm not adverse to lynching him if I cannot gain traction on nova or one of those three.

[wolbre04]

[VOTE: Novaselinealr] aubergine

[wolbre04]

Oh and happy Mother's Day to all the mothers in your lives, as well as girlfriends, wives, and those without kids (I get it's a bit late for the Euros and Aussies but

[Jackofhearts2005]

My POE fluctuates by the hour.

[Sloonei]

I found your response, Kyle!

Sloonei, i'm uncomfortable with how easily you seem to be dismissing the idea that speedchuck might have been bussed.

I'm not dismissing it easily. I was around for the latter portion of the day speedchuck was lynched. Day 4? 5? whenever it was. The heavy lifting, from what I saw, was all done by Jack. Thus I read him as town for that. But then I also saw people strongly insisting that he was scum and had bussed speedchuck. I've been waiting a week to have this theory satisfactorily explained to me. If I was y'all's English teacher I'd be hella pissed. I then did a massive read of the situation myself and came to the conclusion that I still couldn't see the case unless I wrapped myself in tinfoil. And also a part of this very ISO to which you are responding is that you or others might have helped bus speedchuck. So get out of here with this stuff.

So, as I let slip, I'm comfortable with my vote on Kyle based on these interactions. That said, I don't think this is a rock solid case. For instance, my focus is limited almost entirely to Kyle's treatment of speedchuck in this ISO, so I am not getting a full picture of his activity in the game, and the casual, breezy manner in which he treated chuck is almost certainly not an isolated thing for Kyle. But as I look through it, it is decidedly uninspiring and there's absolutely nothing in any of these posts that makes me think Kyle is absolutely a town read.
Still voting Kylemii, and I'd be happy to have his name kept in the conversation as we work toward the deadline today. But I won't be around for the final 3+ hours.

hey what the fuck is this entire paragraph

This entire paragraph is me saying that you remained a suspect of mine, that the research I'd done had contributed nothing which cleared you in my view, but also that my case is not comprehensive and not a slam dunk either. I was comfortable leaving a vote on you several hours before the deadline, but I didn't want the discussion to end there.
I later moved my vote and the discussion did end there. So who thinks Kyle and speedchuck might be partners?

[Sloonei]

Marmot is the Helot. He may not be lynched. He may not be killed. He may not vote.

Ffs

Marmot called out dunya for appearing to have a frustrated response to his stumping. What about this one?

I was driving when this happened and checked at a stoplight, I was pissed bc I was uncertain whether I would be able to be around for the final few mins in case a huge CFD happened or revelation

I told you not to mafia and drive!

how about those three scum reads?

Haha I would just check at stoplights and such
I feel like those three have contributed such to a point that there almost has to be a scum in there. I'm not scum, marmot isn't scum, I'm pretty sure you aren't scum, so that leaves us with Kyle and them. I think Kyle is just being a goofball but I'm not adverse to lynching him if I cannot gain traction on nova or one of those three.

Have there been any posts in particular which have led you to believe any one of them are scum?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Marmot is the Helot. He may not be lynched. He may not be killed. He may not vote.

Ffs

Marmot called out dunya for appearing to have a frustrated response to his stumping. What about this one?

Way more frustrated. I didn’t read Dunya’s post as frustrated at all. I’m not sure how that changes Wolbre’s alignment.

Like if he’s bad and he missed a mislynch, he’s not gonna do that. Maybe a fake overreaction to yet again not lynching a baddie?

[Sloonei]

What's the case against nova? I hardly remember the last time he posted, but I don't take silence to be alignment-indicative. I had him as a town read earlier in the game.

[Sloonei]

Marmot is the Helot. He may not be lynched. He may not be killed. He may not vote.

Ffs

Marmot called out dunya for appearing to have a frustrated response to his stumping. What about this one?

Way more frustrated. I didn’t read Dunya’s post as frustrated at all. I’m not sure how that changes Wolbre’s alignment.

Like if he’s bad and he missed a mislynch, he’s not gonna do that. Maybe a fake overreaction to yet again not lynching a baddie?

I'm not sure I understand the second line. First you seem to suggest he's not bad, but then you suggest his reaction was fake, which would seem to imply badness.

[Kylemii]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] you didn't respond to my response to your actual case. just like 2 paragraphs of it