U-Pick Mafia Vol 1 - Game Over

[Golden]

The only way I’m vagyely ok with option 6 would be if epi picked the three lynches and everyone else agreed to comply.

[Epignosis]

Look, I have no vote. Only a voice and a beard and a mullet. I'll use all three.

[Epignosis]

The only way I’m vagyely ok with option 6 would be if epi picked the three lynches and everyone else agreed to comply.

At this stage, you'd be one of my picks, so I doubt you'd be okay with option six.

[Golden]

There are however many town votes. Let’s say for the sake of argument there are 20 town, 8 mafia, 2 third parties. I expect Mac to have more 3p and quite possibly that would be unbalanced towards mafia so it’s more likely we have 18 civs or fewer.

Even if we could know who all civs were, agree and split them evenly - that’s only six on each of three chains with twelve other votes out there. And in reality we can’t control it that much.

On day one second place had four votes. FOUR!

The reason the town has an advantage in a lynch is they have strength in numbers. You are diluting this down to six civs per lynch. That’s bad odds and bad statistics to suggest otherwise!

If you are mafia, do you like lynches or no lynches?

I don’t get to choose to have no lynches. Another straw man. I’d prefer option 6 over a regular lynch every single time - I’d trust my ability to manipulate the outcome.

[Epignosis]

There are two mafia factions, correct? How do you not spring for three lynches against them?

[Golden]

The only way I’m vagyely ok with option 6 would be if epi picked the three lynches and everyone else agreed to comply.

At this stage, you'd be one of my picks, so I doubt you'd be okay with option six.

I would sooner go willingly into the night as one of your three picks than allow the mafia the chance to run the day.

[Golden]

There are two mafia factions, correct? How do you not spring for three lynches against them?

If the top lynch is against them, it will be anyway. I’d bet Steven Tyler’s boob that two and three will both be town. Those are the easy ones to manipulate.

[Golden]

I’m so disheartened.

[Quin]

i used statistics. i'm done.

[Golden]

I feel like fucking Hurley

[Golden]

“The numbers are bad the numbers are bad”

[Epignosis]

There are two mafia factions, correct? How do you not spring for three lynches against them?

If the top lynch is against them, it will be anyway. I’d bet Steven Tyler’s boob that two and three will both be town. Those are the easy ones to manipulate.

Do what you want. I don't have a vote.

[Epignosis]

I will resume my ratings.

[Quin]

I will resume my ratings.

when u get to me can u just post a read because i don't know the first thing about baseball ok thank u

[wolbre04]

@wolbre04, @speedchuck, and @Spacedaisy all voted for #6 without saying why or saying anything at all. given the amount of talking-out-loud I did upon deciding on it, I find their votes pretty dang suspicious.

Because there's 10,000 players in this game mafia can lynch mafia with it. I hate the other ones

[Marmot]

Oh, well, hello everyone. I'm Charlie Blackmon. Center-fielder for the Colorado Rockies.

Hi I'm Marmot, pleasure.

[Kylemii]

The thread has requested that I mod-kill Epignosis.

But I can't.

Epignosis was lynched but he did not die. He is now a tree stump. He is Charlie Blackmon. He cannot vote, he cannot be lynched, he cannot be targeted by night actions and he has no night actions. He's a civilian tree stump.

Aaaaaaand nobody else is dead. It's now night 1. Night lasts 24 hours. Please get your night actions in asap. I WILL NOT BE ACCEPTING CHANGES. THERE ARE TOO MANY OF YOU TO FUCK AROUND WITH.

Thread is unlocked.

epi why did you want this

[Quin]

The thread has requested that I mod-kill Epignosis.

But I can't.

Epignosis was lynched but he did not die. He is now a tree stump. He is Charlie Blackmon. He cannot vote, he cannot be lynched, he cannot be targeted by night actions and he has no night actions. He's a civilian tree stump.

Aaaaaaand nobody else is dead. It's now night 1. Night lasts 24 hours. Please get your night actions in asap. I WILL NOT BE ACCEPTING CHANGES. THERE ARE TOO MANY OF YOU TO FUCK AROUND WITH.

Thread is unlocked.

epi why did you want this

Allow me to join him, Kyle. I need my beetroot.

[Epignosis]

Dragon D. Luffy

I would lynch DDL.

DDL has tried to sound serious while being playful. When I requested votes, he tried to shut me down instead of being playful.

Not good.

GROUNDOUT

[Jackofhearts2005]

But this kid in the dugout kept saying how lynches keep mafia in check. He said, "Maybe instead pretend you got three lynches in a row with no Night kills in between. How would that feel?"

Dang. That does sound pretty good, Charlie. But I'm also not confident that we have enough to draw on to make an informed decision tomorrow, let alone 3.

You aren’t making 3 anyway. You get 1 vote.

[Marmot]

Mmm okay Jay's right. We're bound to mislynch people early anyway but with 3 top suspects getting lynched at least one of them will definitely be bad and in any case they will give us a ton of info to work with. I'm in support of #6 and voting accordingly.

All of my vote analysis in Ancient Greece suggests that this will not happen.

Then again, we have two mafia teams here.

[Marmot]

Oh lol, Golden already said what I did.

[ColinIsCool]

But this kid in the dugout kept saying how lynches keep mafia in check. He said, "Maybe instead pretend you got three lynches in a row with no Night kills in between. How would that feel?"

Dang. That does sound pretty good, Charlie. But I'm also not confident that we have enough to draw on to make an informed decision tomorrow, let alone 3.

You aren’t making 3 anyway. You get 1 vote.

"We" as in the town as a unit.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Guys, I'm a baseball player. I don't understand what you do.

If you could have three Day phases in a row, would you take them? If not, why not?

Yes. Because doing so deprived the mafia of their choice of secret player elimination. There’s basically no downside.

[ColinIsCool]

Oh wait, you might be agreeing with me. I can't tell. I've been in this thread for like 2 hours.

[Marmot]

#6 is extremely pro-civilian. Vote it now!

Seems extremely pro-mafia to me.

I thought this at first, but then I thought about it and Jay is definitely right. Think about it. We'd most likely end up lynching the same people within the next couple days, and if they end up being civ, then that sucks but it sucks more if we waste three days doing it. Better to get that over with early and learn from it, and odds are we'll lynch someone bad and have much better direction going forward.

I strongly disagree.

The town will control the top lynch. It won’t be at all difficult for the mafia to control the second and third. The idea that you just march on and lynch those people anyway is demonstrably false, often second place in an early lynch survives the whole game. I cannot overstate how strongly this option favours mafia.

What’s more generally speaking speeding up the rate of death in any given fashion is considered not to alter balance so for jay to make this claim is HIGHLY suspect.

And that's where you ride in on blazing saddled unicorn pumping your rainbow-spewing fist in the air and bring it smashing down on those scum who think that can control that lynch.

[ColinIsCool]

Quin and Jack, why are your votes where they are?

[speedchuck]

@wolbre04, @speedchuck, and @Spacedaisy all voted for #6 without saying why or saying anything at all. given the amount of talking-out-loud I did upon deciding on it, I find their votes pretty dang suspicious.

Too many people in this game.

[Marmot]

I think there's something to be said about a civ treestump supporting Option #6.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If we get the multiple lynches, we should consider using 1-2 of them against people who have recently survived to endgame after missing multiple phases in Greece or Ass Class.

[Marmot]

At this juncture this game has more posts than Turf Wars and Talking Heads combined had AT THE CONCLUSION OF NIGHT 1.

You're doing a great job chap.

[Quin]

Quin and Jack, why are your votes where they are?

Because I put it there.

[ColinIsCool]

Quin and Jack, why are your votes where they are?

Because I put it there.

Oh, ok, thanks.

[Marmot]

Remember that just because we lynch three players doesn't mean we each get three votes. We likely each only get one. That's the biggest downside of Option 6. Each of us only has the say to lynch one of the three players, and no say (with our vote) to lynch the other two.

[Quin]

Quin and Jack, why are your votes where they are?

Because I put it there.

Oh, ok, thanks.

np

[Kylemii]

Allow me to join him, Kyle. I need my beetroot.

if beetroot turns you into a stump like epignosis then im not sending you any :\ is that what it does?

[speedchuck]

Quin is leaking town so hard he needs a patch job

[Quin]

Allow me to join him, Kyle. I need my beetroot.

if beetroot turns you into a stump like epignosis then im not sending you any :\ is that what it does?

It is but one part of the process. But as per the rules I have laid out, you must provide me with beetroot.

[Kylemii]

now epignosis is forcing me to learn baseball terminology

[Jackofhearts2005]

Quin and Jack, why are your votes where they are?

3 lynches and 3 votes for player (similar to “lights out”) is pro town. Without the three vote stipulation, the lynch is out of the town’s (and specifically, my) control.

I can see the third lynch suspect having 2-3 votes on them from players that aren’t around with no real way to avoid death.

Possible that active players voting for higher total suspects remove their votes to try to change the end result, causing maybe 5-6 trains with 2-3 votes. Hot potato causes unintentional results.

Two votes each is not amazing but builds better consensus. Slightly protown.

[Marmot]

Going with Option 5 so that one player may have the power.

Mwuahahahahahahahaha...

[Marmot]

now epignosis is forcing me to learn baseball terminology

I got u

[Marmot]

And I think you mean Charlie Blackmon.

[Quin]

Allow me to join him, Kyle. I need my beetroot.

if beetroot turns you into a stump like epignosis then im not sending you any :\ is that what it does?

It is but one part of the process. But as per the rules I have laid out, you must provide me with beetroot.

Perhaps I will admit that my ability is not quite the same.

[Epignosis]

dunya and Elohcin

I'm going to put these two together.

I suspect dunya. I believe she is on a team with Eloh.

Eloh has said Epignosis got her into a big game, but at the time, the game was small, and there was no way to know this would balloon into 30 people. That's not right.

Eloh does hate being in big events, and wants to get out of them as soon as possible. If she's on a team, that presents an avenue of opportunity.

She expressed a willingness to vote for Epignoisis for nonsense reasons.

Spoiler: show

I wonder how Epignosis would feel if we straight up lynched him?

Dear Diary,

Last night went well. Even though I was only successful once, it was a success that had people scrambling for a keepsake, and it was enough to buy us some much needed insurance at a critical point. Hopefully we keep the momentum going today.

I've been meaning to write about this, but I've been so busy here in San Francisco. People have asked me what I think about DJ being in the lead for a time before he went down, and of course I smile and give them the platitudes I'm expected to give, that it was a group decision and what have you. The truth is, it wasn't, and I don't think things went as well during that shift.

The thing is, I believe in sitting back and letting everyone have their say before I jump in with my perspective. The problem with that is people tend to get so worked up in the debate that they don't listen to what I have to say, and I end up being an afterthought. It's frustrating, but I guess I'm not very assertive and tend to goof off and not be taken seriously. What can I say? I guess I'm on like a third-grade personality level. What I should have said was- and I'm going to underline this for emphasis- I should be in the lead today.

I hope this isn't coming across as prideful, but we're just a much more effective unit when I'm in the lead at the start. This is not to say anything against DJ- I love him. He's great. I hope he recovers soon. But I should be in the lead. Good things happen.

Still windy in San Francisco.

XOXO
Charlie

I've seen Epi hide behind his role before. If he doesn't begin to give good content, he will be on my lynch list.

Eloh never specified where she's seen me do this, and more importantly, if I was bad while doing it. She's rotten. Lynch her.

dunya has expressed a willingness to vote Eloh, but not really. She voted for me to be friendly, but then voted for JJJ.

dunya has also been needlessly "cruel" to Eloh on this front:

I am not reading 12 pages of Day 0. WTF people.

this is so familiar.... when did you say this before. what game was it

she said something similar in MK.

What?! You are on page 4?! Umm......This is why I don't play big games, Epi. I will see you all when we are down to about 12 players and one of you can catch me up.

I knew MK was going to be big. I think Epi lied to me about this one not being big. It's big. Honestly, I don't have time to pay attention. He just says, "Hey, there is a game in sign-ups you should sign up for." I say, "Oh, what is it?" He explains and I sign up. That's how it goes. I thought this one was supposed to be smaller. Oops.

It's a Job, when have Jobs ever been small tbh?

I do not believe dunya would be this critical of an Eloh who isn't on her team.

and i still think eloh is bad. if scotty is going to lynch non-contributors, i'd like to see a lynch eloh movement too cos she self-admits she won't read the thread. she's done this several times as a baddie and while i love eloh like the stars love the moon, i don't wanna be outplayed by a lurky eloh who makes the same self-justification of not knowing what's happening and that we post too much and she can't keep up.

dunya knows this isn't the case.

The exchange between dunya and Eloh is too much, I say.

STRIKEOUT

[Spacedaisy]

I have not read the last two pages of posts but here are my thoughts. I want a choice that is going to leave the baddies scrambling to place the right vote. At first glance I was going to choose Optiion #4, because using that one, we could maybe gain smoe information on voting based on who they might be trying to avoid. It could betray teammates down the road. But I went with #6, because I know what Jay is thinking and it's not nefarious at all. In scenario three there are three civ kills to one baddie kill. And yes, there is a really good chance that at least one of those will flip civ, probably even two. But they won't be able to do it without us immediately seeing who they might be trying to save and without them really having to work the votes out. I am very interested in one of thsoe two and I would prefer this one. I just think we will have the most to learn from how peopl;e vote in these two options.

linki @ nutella: Just bad timing for me, I was cooking dinner and then had the sim at 9. I don't think there is anything suspicious about voting and not saying why immediately.

[Kylemii]

i missed the part where epignosis' lynch confirmed his alignment, now he's our obiwan kenobi

[Marmot]

[mention]Charlie Blackmon[/mention] I miss that emoji. Thanks for bringing it back. <3

[Epignosis]

And Golden, in stead of hemming and hawing about how many people are getting lynched Day 2, maybe, if you are good, you could start working out who should be lynched.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

For a long time in RYM Mafia, double-lynches were a normal possibility. They were incorporated into every game because it's just how it worked, and we didn't really consider other options. That was Mafia.

Eventually we had to discontinue them when we realized how unfairly town-slanted they were.

Now we're being offered a triple lynch, and I am being told that it favors mafia. I literally live in bizarro world, and am so irritated that I seriously considering being replaced. It's leading the vote thankfully.