Easter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Dyslexicon]

I need a break now for sure.

[nutella]

Nutella, You say my state mirrors yours around end of day 4. But I don't remember you being around in thread so much really? (Haven't gone back to look though) Any reason for this?

Yeah I wasn't around at the very end, but when I was around during claimgate it was similar and when I went back to catch up on what I had missed at the very end I found myself relating to your posts the most

[nutella]

Scotty you are making a lot of wrong assumptions there. At one point you address a post I made about Dyslexicon as if it was about Colin. You might wanna double check details like that before insisting I'm contradictory. Also, no I actually wasn't around at EOD. I caught up after it ended and saw there had been several more vote changes in the last half hour of the poll.

Anyway, yes I townread Colin until claimgate, and then his behavior around marmot's claim looked awful. Yes he didn't make my narrowed down poe pool befoe then because I townread him more than 4 others at that point, but not enough to clear him. I get why I look like a potential teammate but I assure you I am not and that all of my reactions yesterday were genuine.

Are you talking about this one:
“JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑ I am particularly interested in Dizzy and Colin. They're the most difficult cases to sort given my own preconceptions and also the fact that my own content plays a large role in what I compiled. A less biased perspective would be super.”
“Nutella wrote: I had a similar experience when I ISOed Dyslexicon earlier today -- I was expecting them to look mostly town but I came out of it with pretty much no solid reason to town read them (and not much solid reason to scum read them to be fair, but there is a little bit that points me in that direction, including the Gladys stuff).”
You use the descriptor “them” as a response to Jjj’s quote in talking about both Colin and Dys. So I don’t know what you want me to say there.

Oh god dammit I just realized something when looking thru ISO’s and using the search function with “Colin” only includes when the user says the word and not when they respond to the name of the search term. That fucking sucks. No wonder people are like “I totally said that”. Yeah, I see you more or less calling out Colin on his bullshit earlier when looking at your full ISO.

I use the singular gender-neutral "they" when referring to Dys. That's probably why you're confused. I was not talking about Colin at all in that post, I only reference Dys.

[nutella]

Mmmm I'm really enjoying the dirt you pulled up on Scotty there, Dizzy. The point about Eloh (connecting her to Colin and then lynching her first) was probably the most compelling, and his hard suspicion of Colin at the end of day 3 combined with how he handled day 4... yeah, I can definitely see him being bad now. I'll still do my own look through his ISO and see if I find anything else that jumps out, but I'm really liking your case and seriously reassessing whether I want to go for him or Quin. Yes I said I'd be surprised but I have to entertain the possibility he's fooled me.

[Scotty]

I was all in on marmot being good from day 3. In a situation where either he or another is confirmed bad, there's no doubt about it. Calling it TMI is stupid. The read existed before Colin was in trouble.

This sounds like you just know things

[Scotty]

am I allowed to talk about why that kill makes me look good or would that be too up myself?

This is WIFOM

[Scotty]

If you wanna cooperate with a guy who's done nothing but give you shit all game, one of these for everyone within the larger PoE pool would be nice.

I don't know what you mean by this. You giving me shit all game or the reverse?

Scotty - interrogative, incredulous, stubborn
Dyslexicon - silly, active, multi-quotes
Quin - independent, paranoid, contrarian

Sorry JJJ but i think reading into civ metas is bullshit. I feel like those descriptors for example can apply to any of my bad games. And that goes for everyone else

[Scotty]

And you brought this up immediately after Day 5 started, which is why it's obvious to me that you waited for the new day to put this idea forth.

This was my thought when i saw that too.

I feel like it’s a gambit and now he’s scrambling to throw up dirt on other people.

Which he should have been doing last phase and before that, but ya know

[Scotty]

I've pretty much decided that I'm never lycnhing Jimmey or Nut. Catching up.

Someone like Nutella better than chocolate

[Scotty]

And you brought this up immediately after Day 5 started, which is why it's obvious to me that you waited for the new day to put this idea forth.

Yes, it is obvious that I'd wait until a person died before explaining why that person's death makes me look good. Did you expect me to say "When lapluie dies it'll make me look really good"?

I think the notion being suggested here is that if this notion exists in your head, you have the opportunity during Night 4 to say "they can't even kill lapluie without making me look better", potentially protecting her from a kill.

I haven't used a tactic like that (using words to manipulate mafia kills) once in my entire mafia career. It also didn't exist in my head until the kill happened.

I don't hold it against you that you didn't say it.

Anyway, this is all defense and no hunting. If it's not you, then you need to find the one.

I will, probably within the few hours. I'm extremely time poor at the moment, as you could tell if you read my incessant whining in the discord. Things that take effort here are low in a long list of priorities.

This'll happen first thing in the morning along with full ISO's Dizzy, Epi, 3J, nutella and Scotty. I just hit the sweet spot between my work projects where I can pull myself away for a bit and don't have a drunk aunt to escort back and forth from her place. But it's also 10pm and I'm no less sick.

Considering self-voting as a self motivator but dat WIFOM too stronk

Yeah go ahead and iso Epi and let me know what you find.

Your WIFOM game is on point, my man

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

[nutella]

@Everybody

Only two bad guys remain. It may seem early, but POE is your friend. If you can narrow the pool down to about five suspects, you're giving yourself a great opportunity. If you can't, then you have alerted yourself to the investigative pursuits you need to work on. With 2 mafia alive against 11 civilians, we can mislynch four times before arriving at a LyLo phase (assuming no prevented kills and no shenanigans). Also be aware that the presence of a temporarily lynch-immune bad guy can interfere with that considerably.

I forgot that no-lynch role was in and just had a thought- what if the teammate bussed that player early to get him lynched and gain civ credit? Would that even be worth it?

I think it would be a dumb move, but that doesn't mean nobody would do it. The objective of the mafioso is to lynch civilians. Some people have this weird urge to distance and bus whenever and wherever though. I don't necessarily think there's great evidence of that having happened here. I could consider Quin since his Choutas vote was unexplained and arbitrary.

But I’m not even talking about choutas- he was a nobody role. I’m saying that if we find the white rabbit, would the person that was propping them up look as lynch bait more or less suspicious because of it

I mean I dunno if that would be a viable strategy either, but maybe down the line if we have a few mislynches

Oh this is funny. If Scotty is bad he did exactly that.

[Scotty]

Ima look at nutella next. right now, I’m quite unsure in a battle with Quin and dys. I’m having trouble with quin’s self vote and would like other opinions on whether or not he would do that as bad. Is the gamble worth it?

Yeah, you need to talk more about what makes you so unsure on me.

I've already been checked as non-dentist and my teammate Colin is confirmed. It's too late to kill her to hide that. But you'll tell me I could be motivated to stop her from confirming two dentists, which I realised isn't wrong, but I really want you to ignore that bit.

That is completely irrelevant. Lapluie is the only kill that makes sense. Marmot's power is completely superfluous at this point. Whereas Lapluie did have the power to confirm the one dentist that is left if she was lucky with her targeting. That player must be in agony now not being able to clear themselves anymore.

I've pretty much decided that I'm never lycnhing Jimmey or Nut. Catching up.

Why not nutella?

I'll look into it, I guess.

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I want to believe it's just Quin and that's it.

Can Scotty or someone please provide me with some games where he's played as scum?

I’ll reevaluate you if we have to. From what I saw in my read back, your defense of Colin was so egregious and it looked to me like you were trying to save him. I acknowledge that this could have been just confused civ behavior

[nutella]

I don’t feel good about Eloh either but I’m of two minds on that post. Could be scum self-preservation, or Marmot’s more charitable explanation could hold up.

I'm considering lynching Quin. His only sign of life today was to freak the hell out about some Dizzy interpretation of his own posts. I don't see evidence that this guy gives a crap about the hunt.

I don’t feel great about him either, or that he’s staying away from two wagons that both seem reasonable.

And Marmot too — what’s up with MP in your eyes?

I have you and Marmot leaning scum, and I’m not convinced re: Eloh, so I don’t think those are just “easy” reads.

As far as “flexible” goes, I’m certainly open to hearing arguments for anybody but a lot of these players I’ve only seen one way and I’m doing a lot of taking peoples’ word on meta analysis. JJJ, Epi, Kyle, I don’t know what they look like as scum so I don’t know what to watch out for. I disengaged from Greece after dying so anything that happened after the early stages was beyond me.

All these posts were right after each other.
So you had one eye on Elo, one on Quin, Marmot and (I think) MP, and you ultimately add to the wolbre train. That’s a lot of eyes that aren’t really looking anywhere in particular.

You’re a spider. I have my one cyclops eye on you

He had talked about wolbre quite a bit earlier on in the day, so I don't find it strange at all.

But even towards the end there, he was leaving himself open to voting all other major wagons. Makes me feel like his hands were in multiple honey jars and the honey jars were spilling over, if Colin is bad then I can see one of his bad reads here being a teammate. Like, if the Elo one had taken off for real (and she were bad) he could go “oh...well I said I thought wolbre or Quin or marmot was bad so ima vote there”

Also this tbh. While reading Scotty's day 2 posts it looks like he is himself guilty of what he is accusing Colin of. He suspects colin, Eloh, wolbre... and keeps emphasizing his suspicion of Colin throughout days 2 and 3 while actually fully supporting the wolbre and Eloh lynches. Kinda looks to me like he's keeping caerbannog in his back pocket as an eventual lynch candidate that should give him credit later, while still fully taking advantage of as many town lynches as possible to put it off.

[Scotty]

Scotty, you haven't suspected me at all during this game other than for one brief vote following MP's case. Explain this, as it is a stark contrast to Ass Class.

I’ve stated multiple times that I hesitate to read you as bad because of ass class. You backed off a bit in like D3 and I got a little antsy that you were hanging back on purpose. But you showed up eventually and have only town”firmed” my opinion on you from yeaterfay’s EoD

[Scotty]

The sample appears to be limited. These are the Syndicate games he has won as a mafioso:

Home Alone

The Office

Finding games he didn't win will be more difficult, but I'll try.

More Scotty:

RED vs. BLUE

Triskaidekaphobia

Yeah I think those are all of mine.

Oh, and UPick, which is still going on, if you wanna look at that one too. Before Upick, it had been a while

[Scotty]

The sample appears to be limited. These are the Syndicate games he has won as a mafioso:

Home Alone

The Office

Finding games he didn't win will be more difficult, but I'll try.

More Scotty:

RED vs. BLUE

Triskaidekaphobia

Wait; no, I amend that, and am forgetting shit now.

I was also bad in Lost Season...2? I think?

[Scotty]

He's asking about me, I think.

If that's the case:

Fire Emblem

Mad Max

Also Zodiac mafia and Monkey Island. Technically indy in the latter but it was essentially a scum team pretending to be something else.

We got an indie win in that, so Im not counting that

and we dominated, my fine pirate friend!

[Scotty]

Full Scotty ISO Day 1 and Night 1

[VOTE: choutas] aubergine

Eyyyyyyyy boi

Votes choutas first thing (RVS).

I use chrome maybe its a settings issue.
Anyhow lets get to business.

Cool. What do you think of rabbits?

Also, the game

Theyre cute but they make terrible meat so a no for me.
The game has started in a mild manner we need to stir things up. Force people to read others.

As for Day one Mac i think hes right into the role.

Are you looking to stir things up? Because “he’s right into the role” ain’t stirring shit

Whatever right into the role means

Prods choutas for not stirring things up.

[VOTE: TheFloyd] aubergine hasn’t checked in

Moves vote to Floyd for inactivety.

Wait, did Elo never actually vote Jay? That's odd.

Oh ho. So really, there should be 5 votes on JJJ.

Yeah, I’m avoidig this train like hot fire. Way too easy

@G-Man is it possible to update everyone’s ISO when you get a chance? Everyone has posted but Floyd

Normally I'd be in 100% agreement with you. But something's off with Jay this game, and I've tried to articulate why I think that makes him look bad. What do you think of what I've highlighted?

My initial thought during the Quin/JJJ spat was that they look civ. That hasn’t changed.

I agree with your assessment that jjj engaged with Elo and Quin and essentially no-u’d them, but he didn’t hide that fact either. I think he’s backing up his reasoning and is feeling cagey. Which I don’t blame him for- I’d probably be like that too as the front runner on D1.

I think I have to look at the votes on him first and foremost, because I can’t shake he feeling that he has too many errant votes for bs reasons on him. I don’t like nova’s vote, and I don’t even know why dizzy is voting there. Now you’ve come to the conclusion that he’s bad, and there’s a recipe for a mislynch in a 13 Person game.

Unless everyone votig for JJJ right now is town and we’ve just solved the game lol

But nah.

Throughout D1 Scotty is vocal about not lynching Jimmey. This is possible TMI. One of the reasons Scotty don't want to vote Jimmey is that there are too many votes there so it's too easy.

Someone else get on Floyd please. JJJ should not be lynched day 1

Asks people to get on Floyd instead of Jimmey.

Scotty, Floyd can be and is likely to be replaced though. How about someone else?

We don’t know that. In any case, I like where my vote is regardless.

If there were another option, I’d say Elo or choutus

Don't want to move his vote in spite of a possible replacement. But if he did it would be Eloh or choutas.

I missed EoD but I ain’t mad choutas got the axe.

As long as y’all got off JJJ

Heyyyyy we did it! (Well I didn’t do it) day 1 lynch is how Greece should have gone, and here we are!

I am going to bed now but hopefully there’s something juicy in chorus’s posts. If I recall, he didn’t really have much to say At all tho

Yeah ok. Didn't take part in the choutas lynch.

Catching up:

ThNks jjj for doing the interactive analysis. As I suspected, choutas doesn’t have too many interactions with anyone. But there’s still stuff to look at with voting.

Thinking more about wolbre's rainbow where he listed Choutas twice: Would a teammate do that?

This definitely struck me as odd and I’m glad Marmot brought it up. I think that a player could make that mistake in either alignment, but I think even moreso in a situation where a mafioso is moving around names on their spectrum list to make sure they cover all their bases. Matter of fact, j would make sure I didn’t miss my teammates. I think missing teammates would look more damning than not, and double teammates, albeit careless, is a slightly better mistake.

In wolbre’s case, I see definite possibility of teammate collusion there.

Doesn't find much in terms of choutas interaction, but brings up wolbre listing choutas twice, which imo is an easy thing to jump on, especially when someone else already brought it up.

I dont feel like lynching Floyd tomorrow. Maybe down the road if we’re having trouble in paradise finding the active scummates (there’s at least one), but not soon.

If nutella it whoever does replace in, then great

Lost interest in lynching Floyd. Don't really know why.

Here's My Reads list, I'll try to provide a small quip next to each one (just in the order i saw them)
Order of the Manboob
Wolbre04 - lord and savior
JJJ - t/t argument with MP7, me and Lilefer have a similar way of playing as t/t against each other


Knights of the Nipple

Kyle
Lapluie - compared to a previous civ game, u look good
Colin
Quin
Nova - fine except that JJJ vote
MP7 - Argument with Jay seems t/t
Marmot/Mac - got us info that makes laplui look pretty good
Quin


Charlie Black Man - baseball guy who isn't actually a black man
Choutas - his meta is low posting and not being around much
Dizzy - dont like your vote on JJJ
Scotty - always wants me dead
Choutas - Who is she

Sekiy
Elohcin
Floyd - Who is she

really exhausted tbh, ima get some sleep, cya guys later

Choutas is in this rainbow twice.

Choutas - his meta is low posting and not being around much
Choutas - Who is she

wolbre, what in the world does this mean? You wrote off that Choutas has the meta of low-posting, and asked who she was??

I'm green in there despite my vote on JJJ being bad according to him. That vote and case I have on JJJ are the only contribution I had D1.

Bing bong. This is basically an antidefense for himself. Nova had no interaction with choutas and felt almost as empty as choutas. I could very well vote here tomorrow if nothing else is inspiring me. But I feel inspired in general and it’s not the xanax

Scotty drags up a post from Nova on N1 to throw some suspicion. I can definitely see mafia doing this after deciding on the kill for cover. Scotty did not mention suspicion on Nova on D1 (actually he early said Nova was "AOK", but now he apparently is.

I don’t quite understand the jump for Colin into civ territory and it looks like neither do you. Do you have a better idea of how that jumped?

And lol I’m “meh compared to last game”

I could be convinced that dys only had choutas on his belt pouch and not on his back because he suspected Colin more, and I could be convinced that that side eye to choutas was a slight distance in the case of this lynch happening as it did. But I’m in the camp that dys is good right now. Just curious of how hisnread of Colin has changed

Ima look at Colin next

Scotty is rather inconclusive about me in an ISO, but does ask me what made me change my mind about Colin. I could see this from either alignment though.

fuck phone posting man

Dys, you’ll find with my D1’s I always prefer to keep around someone actively participating than a no poster, so of course someone like JJJ was an example of that.

RE: nova- with choutas’ flip, i found nova’s interaction was sketch in hindsight, so my change in opinion was based around that.

Your iso at the time seemed organic, but I hadn’t gotten a feel for you yet with your stream of conscious playstyle

[Scotty]

Full Scotty ISO Day and Night 2

I’m Shirt on time but nova’s kill is odd to say the least. Looks like he didn’t have many strong accusations except maybe wolbre. Can’t really link the kill to anyone

It might be too easy but I’m gonna start with a vote for [VOTE: wolbre] aubergine

But am also up for either marmot or MP.

I don’t wanna limit it to just them tho. I don’t wanna feel like I’ve been bamboozled by seemingly town looking players- that’s trouvle. But I currently have no reason to suspect jjj. Lol that’ll probably come in day 4 when he’s stil pumpkins water on the cistern and hasn’t been NK’d

Will check back later in the day

Scotty votes Wolbre early in the day and doesn't change it. I think Wolbre is a really easy target.

Looking at colin’s Iso

He has this habit of not quoting posts with answers to phantom questions and it’s slightly frustrating. Colin, do you do this every game?

You got through most of day 1 pretty actively promoting not lynching JJJ and MP, and voting lap, though I’m not entirely sure why.

Pages 8-9

Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

Colini's posts reads like a scum player who wants to lynch the town player who deserves it the most.
^Someone talk to me about this.

You mean like Colin is going after low hanging fruit, easy suspects? Yeah, I could see that. His reads are probably the "easiest"; i.e., his town reads are active and his mafia reads are relatively inactive or acting weird.

I mean, I disagree with “low-hanging fruit” but it is true that I’m aligning the active people as town right now. I didn’t really think of that like that. But if people are “acting weird” as you say, what’s bad about suspecting them?

Safe is probably the term I’d use for Colin at this point in the game.

Also I’m almost done with his iso and he still hasn’t mentioned choutas but once.

Okay, so reads:

JJJ, MP seem town. I’ve explained why for JJJ but MP also feels earnest and interested in solving the game. Epi seems to be playing as I have always seen him (town) so I can get behind him for now too.

I liked the cases made earlier on lapluie, Eloh, and I understood J’s ire toward Dyslexicon so I guess those are the biggest suspects. Because Marmot made one of those cases (lapluie) I would townread him too.

Scotty feels different to me from AG, where he was town, but maybe I’m not accustomed to his playstyle in general. Wolbre is playing similar to what I’ve seen but people have asked good questions of him and I don’t think he really addressed them. Choutas, as others have said, flying so far below radar I forgot he was here — not good. Slight scum lean on gut or soul or whatever.

Floyd, nothing. Nova, really not sure. Everybody I didn’t talk about, idk.

lol ok so his main suspect is lap (and I think Elo and Dys?The syntax of that sentence was weird) then slight shade to me and choutas.

Definitely safe reads all around though. Nothing condemning.

This came like 40 min before EoD:

I think there are better options than Choutas as I said, but I’d be fine with his lynch.

“As I’ve said”
no you didn’t. You said you preferred lap and read him as slight scum lean.

Bad look. I don’t like how your only mentionof choutas was slight scum and even at the end you slightly defend him.

I lean bad on Colin right now.
Where are you now on lap? And what has changed in reads for you?

Scotty does an ISO of Colin and has critical things to say and leans bad on him. He also ISOs Eloh and Wolbre and leans bad on them as well.

I mean, I can answer to that- you had 0 suspicion of choutas hntik that moment at the end when you jumped, which basically said ‘well, i ordered steel toed boots, but these flip flops they sent me will work!”

Nobody was talking about Choutas when I left the thread. When I came back near the deadline, I think he was leading the lynch. So yes, I was going to look into him then.

Yeah, Choutas doesn't have anything that looks town.

Should we lynch him?

why ask permission? I think you and Mp where the last 2 to vote there, but I also don’t know what the totals of everyone else were at the time.

It could be said on one hand that you and MP drove the nail in the coffin and would be looking pretty, but I don’t know how much of choutas’ lynch was going towards inevitability at that point.

Does anyone remember what the votals were before Mp and marmot switched?

I’m Shirt on time but nova’s kill is odd to say the least. Looks like he didn’t have many strong accusations except maybe wolbre. Can’t really link the kill to anyone

It might be too easy but I’m gonna start with a vote for [VOTE: wolbre] aubergine

But am also up for either marmot or MP.

I don’t wanna limit it to just them tho. I don’t wanna feel like I’ve been bamboozled by seemingly town looking players- that’s trouvle. But I currently have no reason to suspect jjj. Lol that’ll probably come in day 4 when he’s stil pumpkins water on the cistern and hasn’t been NK’d

Will check back later in the day

Why Marmot or me?

Your votes came together when the lynch was basically decided, on what I recall was flimsy cause. Any late train riders get my eye

I don’t remember all your reads on the matter because you write tomes and I haven’t done your iso yet, so you might have explained suspicion with choutis earlier but I just don’t remember

These two posts seem to contradict each other if I'm reading them right. When he talks to Marmot, Scotty said he doesn't know where the votes were at and doesn't know how much choutas was decided. When he talks to MP he says their votes came after the lynch was basically decided. I don't see anything between these two posts (Scotty has no posts himself between these) that would change this view for Scotty.

Rip wolbre, hi nutella!

I think I like you. Can you expand on why Elo is at the bottom for you?

This is N2. Scotty says he likes Nutella, though Nutella has made no alignment indicative posts after learning her role. I think I asked him about this at a point, but can't recall I got an answer.

I don’t feel good about Eloh either but I’m of two minds on that post. Could be scum self-preservation, or Marmot’s more charitable explanation could hold up.

I'm considering lynching Quin. His only sign of life today was to freak the hell out about some Dizzy interpretation of his own posts. I don't see evidence that this guy gives a crap about the hunt.

I don’t feel great about him either, or that he’s staying away from two wagons that both seem reasonable.

And Marmot too — what’s up with MP in your eyes?

I have you and Marmot leaning scum, and I’m not convinced re: Eloh, so I don’t think those are just “easy” reads.

As far as “flexible” goes, I’m certainly open to hearing arguments for anybody but a lot of these players I’ve only seen one way and I’m doing a lot of taking peoples’ word on meta analysis. JJJ, Epi, Kyle, I don’t know what they look like as scum so I don’t know what to watch out for. I disengaged from Greece after dying so anything that happened after the early stages was beyond me.

All these posts were right after each other.
So you had one eye on Elo, one on Quin, Marmot and (I think) MP, and you ultimately add to the wolbre train. That’s a lot of eyes that aren’t really looking anywhere in particular.

You’re a spider. I have my one cyclops eye on you

He had talked about wolbre quite a bit earlier on in the day, so I don't find it strange at all.

But even towards the end there, he was leaving himself open to voting all other major wagons. Makes me feel like his hands were in multiple honey jars and the honey jars were spilling over, if Colin is bad then I can see one of his bad reads here being a teammate. Like, if the Elo one had taken off for real (and she were bad) he could go “oh...well I said I thought wolbre or Quin or marmot was bad so ima vote there”

This is about Colin. Still criticism of Colin and linking him to other players.

I also had the hesitation that wolbre was the easy vote, but I was ready to change if need be throughout the day. I stood by my vote on that day.

Those posts you were quoting for hypocrisy are talking about different things: the first one, I was asking what eh votals (vote totals) were at, and the second I said that marmot and Mp voted at the same time, which is evidenced by the fact that that voted the same minute per the time stamp.

Colin was a scum lean I had after isoing him in D2, and it only grew more as time went on and people weren’t seeing it. That day, however, I read wolbre as more suspicious.

[Scotty]

Full Scotty ISO Day and Night 3

Fuuuuuuuuuu bye Kyle-

That kill actually made sense. There’s gotta be a strategy here, even if we don’t see t

i pronanly already said it but my participatioj is going to dip a lot this weekend and I’ll do my best on bathroom breaks to respond and keep making shit happen but know that im not just chillin in a freezer somewhere

Says the kill makes sense. I low key disagree since Kyle was both out of it and revealed not to be arguably the most dangerous power role.

[VOTE: Elo] aubergine

I think her buddy Colin saved her yesterday and my suspicion hasn’t abated for her, so...one of them

Will take a look at voting patterns more tomorrow

I would avoid Quin altogether. I don’t think he’s bad unlesssssss he is the white bunny who can’t be lynched. That’s the only reason I would see for him to self vote at that point (I don’t remember how many votes he had in my reread)

This is where Scotty votes Eloh and continues to link her to Colin. Imo this is a rather classic scum move - connecting a teammate with a easy to frame town and then vote the town, and then reassess when the town flips.

You’re gonna have to flesh that tinfoil out a little bit, Scotty.

It’s wax paper, not tin foil.

I’ll get to it tomorrow but even still, why are you acting so surprised?

Why wouldn’t I be surprised...?

I’ve already called you out on things yesterday so it seems like you’re taking my accusation as if it’s out of the blue, when in reality I know you’re playing dumb because you responded to it

Between Scotty and Colin. I think this is a bit awkward. Would bad Colin call town Scotty's accusation tin foil?

What makes Scotty town again? : p

For me it’s that he seems pretty similar to his town play in AG the more I see of it, but he’s going to have to flesh out some of these ideas he has and soon.

I’ve already said I think you look suspicious for how you subtly defended choutas on day 1 by proffering that there were better options while rolling your eyes and placing a vote there. You showed up to a friend’s house, and when he handed you a cold refreshing glass of Sunny D, you told him you’d drink it even though it tastes like cat urine

Colin's post here is interesting. D1 Colin mentioned that Scotty seemed different than in AG. But here he says Scotty is town for seeming similar to AG, and this point Scotty already has general town cred. Here is the quote from Colin D1:

Scotty feels different to me from AG, where he was town, but maybe I’m not accustomed to his playstyle in general.

Weak accusation that is nullified.

In the original quote over Scotty reiterates his suspicion for Colin. Scotty also makes more of these funny allegories to Colin then to others, just an observation. Colin doesn't seem worried about Scotty's accusations imo.

I’ve already said I think you look suspicious for how you subtly defended choutas on day 1 by proffering that there were better options while rolling your eyes and placing a vote there. You showed up to a friend’s house, and when he handed you a cold refreshing glass of Sunny D, you told him you’d drink it even though it tastes like cat urine

And I’ve already said that I didn’t defend Choutas. What time would you like us to repeat this exchange tomorrow?

That you can’t own up that you even softly defended him is beyond me. Like, it’s ok if you did defend him, everyone does that. But you’re so guarded about it

Who is your scummate
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More bickering.

Yikes this weekend is going to be a drag for a lot of people. I know I’m rather occupied right now, but it’s not a time to be stagnant.

Quick, someone talk about why mp is suspicious before he gets back!

Lynch Jay with me.

You’re being manic right now where your sock is about to unravel, and I like it.

[VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Scotty jumps onto Jimmey from MP's enthusiasm.

I’d rsther do a Colin lynch today, but Mp is very convincing.
It’s not even what he’s saying, it’s how he’s saying it

First statement of lynch intent towards Colin.

ALIVE:
ColinIsCool - BAD
Dyslexicon - GOOD
Elohcin - BAD
Epignosis - BAD
JaggedJimmyJay - GOOD
lapluie - GOOD
M Plus 7 - GOOD
Marmot (Replaced MacDougall) - BAD
Nutella (Replaced TheFloyd73) - GOOD
Quin - GOOD
Scotty - GOD

And Colin is BAD in the list.

Ima movin back to [VOTE: elo] aubergine

But the vote goes back to Eloh instead.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

This is still my preference. I have more active suspicion of him than I do of Elohcin.

Yeah yeah yeah

Back learning to tie my shoes [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

I don’t have anything new to say about marmot- his immediate self vote and calling himself scum always makes me wary, and his vote for choutas at the end of day 1 with no explanation or written suspicion beforehand is the most suspicious vote

And then follows Jimmey on Marmot.

Im of two minds with that lynch.

1) there was something screwy with the marmot defense and 2) there was something screwy with the read evolutions at the EoD.

Gonna go in order

You guys love to talk not when I’m around.

I’m going to switch to [VOTE: MARMOT] aubergine for the time being. Eloh reacting so differently in this game has me rethinking things.

What ‘different reaction’ made you switch? Was it just that you knew she was civ and you were just making things up? That I think Colin is bad is clouding my judgment on everything he does here and his aversion to the Elo lynch at the last second is mighty fishy. That he switched to Marmot makes me feel better about marmot too, because these were the only 2 lynches at the time.

I'm voting to save myself because I am civ. I rarely see marmot as bad, but there is more of a chance that he is bad because I am civ.

oh man, then this post. It’s just so bad it’s comical. Which is funny because it’s not funny and shes dead. But the logic presented here wouldn’t make me want to not vote her if I were around.

I felt very solid on Eloh for a lynch today but the more I think about it, there’s a big key difference between her U-Pick scumming and here. She tried a gambit there to get away from the lynch and here she just ... hasn’t tried anything.

Hmmm.

I’ve already responded to this quote and I don’t remember you giving me any reasonable response.

Does this game being [mostly] open change your mindset if that one was closed? It’s an entirely different scenario, it’s like hiring this mariachi band to your wedding because you thought they were wonderful that one time you were drunk in Cozumel. It’s not the same.

Anyway, it doesn’t matter now, since she’s dead and civ. But your reasoning there sounds...uh...fabricated? Yea, that’s the word.

All of Colin, Marmot, Mp and Quin can’t be bad, so this is slightly frustrating.

I think we should just lynch colin tomorrow and run from there. @nutella @M Plus 7

Colin doesn’t seem like he’s making decisions this game that seem organic. He was a bad student and didn’t show his work with his change of heart on Elo- what is different in her play that he decided it was a bad idea to pursue her further? I’d expect a teacher to be more critical of that.

When Night 3 starts Scotty immediately throws dirt on Colin and says he should be lynched next day.

I don’t even know what I’m saying. My coffee is wearing off

I HAVE to include this. I think Scotty is scum, and if it's true, BOTH scum committed the fatal coffee slip. It's the best thing ever.
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How it made sense was that Kyle was universally town read if I recall, whereas nova was not. You disagree that it was a strategic kill?

RE: Elo and Colin- I had both as bad at that point, and no one was biting on Colin so I voted for the one of the team that I found suspicious and others did too. If it’s a classic mafia move as you are suggesting...oh well

So laying it out- I think Colin could be bad when wolbre is lynched, but wolbre looks more suspicious. Then Elo and Colin look like potential scum partners so I offer both up, and people gravitate more towards her so confirmation bias sets in. After elo’s mislynch, i felt like it was getting out of hand so I started really digging into Colin, yea, cause it was pissing me off that I was wrong about the others but it all cane back to Colin

RE: coffee. Come on, really? If that’s supposed to be a scumslip, then I’m a sentient can of folgers

[JaggedJimmyJay]

As I observe the continuing dialogue, I think Dizzy wins the tone war. I am just seeing a civilian in my soul here, and I have not been moved by the evidence-based arguments to the contrary. I see them, I understand them, but I don't believe in them. I am inclined to remove them from Day 5 contention at least.

nutella and Scotty both have moments of spark and moments that make me uneasy. While Quin continues to float around as a specter of doom, those two have become a duel over the backup position in my POE. I'm going to review all of the analysis I've done for each to this point to find the most inspiring moments.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I use chrome maybe its a settings issue.
Anyhow lets get to business.

Cool. What do you think of rabbits?

Also, the game

Theyre cute but they make terrible meat so a no for me.
The game has started in a mild manner we need to stir things up. Force people to read others.

As for Day one Mac i think hes right into the role.

Are you looking to stir things up? Because “he’s right into the role” ain’t stirring shit

Whatever right into the role means

When it comes to establishing Day 1 distance, I don't think the appearance tends to be quite this severe -- at least not when a lynch wagon isn't already being formed. I designate this moment

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Elo] aubergine

I think her buddy Colin saved her yesterday and my suspicion hasn’t abated for her, so...one of them

Will take a look at voting patterns more tomorrow

I would avoid Quin altogether. I don’t think he’s bad unlesssssss he is the white bunny who can’t be lynched. That’s the only reason I would see for him to self vote at that point (I don’t remember how many votes he had in my reread)

Voting for the object instead of the subject in these perceived links is nonsense. If Colin did the suspicious thing (vote in such a way that Elohcin can be saved), then he owns the large majority of the suspicion for the exchange -- Elohcin was merely acted upon. I have seen civilians make this mistake, but that doesn't absolve Scotty of an icky incident. I designate this moment

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sorry all i'd do more but suddenly sick as a sig dog who still has a mountain of work to do

if someone could link me to some stuff about colin i'd appreciate it

Heres an initial case

A lot of my suspicion stems from that and his response that that last look at choutas wasnt defending, when I see it clearly as such. The rest of my suspicion of him is semantics and that he is playing a safe game.

JJJ has his own beef with him tho

I think your argument, full stop, is semantics. That, and the worst case of tunnel vision I've seen since I dogged somebody through half a game in Fallout Mafia on RYM. I was wrong then, and you're wrong now.

I have personally said shit like this as a mafioso to civilians who are on my case and won't leave me alone. This looks a lot like Colin trying to find a moment to catch his breath when faced with a civilian who won't leave him be. For Scotty, I designate this moment

[Dyslexicon]

Nutella, You say my state mirrors yours around end of day 4. But I don't remember you being around in thread so much really? (Haven't gone back to look though) Any reason for this?

Yeah I wasn't around at the very end, but when I was around during claimgate it was similar and when I went back to catch up on what I had missed at the very end I found myself relating to your posts the most

Alright.

[Dyslexicon]

I’ll reevaluate you if we have to. From what I saw in my read back, your defense of Colin was so egregious and it looked to me like you were trying to save him. I acknowledge that this could have been just confused civ behavior

Are you for real? I was bashing my head thinking BOTH looked terrible. I was not focusing on defending one over the other, I was focused on making up my own mind about the issue, trying to make the right decision. I thought I had made the right decision (though the lynch was wrong) after the fact for Marmot's fucking clap post and Colin saying he was town. You were the one actually coming up with points against Marmot and voting Marmot. That is active defense and sway in thread. I was making up my own mind because it was hell. This isn't flying at all.

[Scotty]

Full Scotty ISO Day and Night 4

Will read and respond more thru day but for now [VOTE: colin] aubergine

Scotty finally votes Colin for the first time.

Killing Mp was a fucky kill but you know I’m done trying to read these kills. Mp was in like half the town’s lynch pool so whatever. Apparently it’s doing the job tho because y’all seem to be more confused than a cabbage in a beanie baby collection. My number 2 suspects are currently Colin and combo of Epi/Quin. Will expand.

I’d say that Mp was on to someone, and will take a look at his reads yesterday, but I could have said the same thing about nova and all nova cared about was wolbre, and we all know how that turned out. Worth a look tho

I questioned his interpretation of the MP kill as well. I didn't think MP was a very likely mislynch. Also, it's worth noting that even though Scotty has constantly said Colin is bad or leaning bad, he (usually immediately) also points the finger in other different directions as well. This has been consistent throughout the game.

sorry all i'd do more but suddenly sick as a sig dog who still has a mountain of work to do

if someone could link me to some stuff about colin i'd appreciate it

Heres an initial case

A lot of my suspicion stems from that and his response that that last look at choutas wasnt defending, when I see it clearly as such. The rest of my suspicion of him is semantics and that he is playing a safe game.

JJJ has his own beef with him tho

I think your argument, full stop, is semantics. That, and the worst case of tunnel vision I've seen since I dogged somebody through half a game in Fallout Mafia on RYM. I was wrong then, and you're wrong now.

Okay, well i could be wrong, sure. I’ll own up to that if the time comes, but your tone is just nagging me as bystander material, like you’re at a polo match with some pecan-encrusted kettle corn kernels. And looking at JjJ’s conclusion, it seems to mirror what I’m seeing- you have a defense of many, but an offense of few. Plus, MP was dogging you before he died.
I dunno dude, I just can’t unsee some stuff. Like The Wicker Man. What the FUCK was that movie?

Keeps the pressure up. And also the funny allegories.

Ok all caught up. Had to keep reading between work breaks.

This is bullshit. I believe lap is telling the truth, and unfortunately that means both Colin and marmot could be bad, but only one of Colin and marmot is bad, but I ALREADY FIGURED THAT. My initial thought as I was reading everything in succession that Colin is just peddling bullshit because he knew he was caught but I can also see why marmot could be vomiting feces and Colin was just holding back to claim so that he didn’t have to. Marmot coming out as the doctor at a 4 v 2 vote with like 9 hours before EoD is definitely a questionable move.

I hate this. I still lean Colin

Scotty is not around for a lot of the Marmot/Colin drama. But he expresses indecisiveness when he gets caught up.

GUYS what if Marmot left his breadcrumb trail for this very purpose for whichever power role seemed most appealing to claim as.

Think about it-

He claimed 20 minutes after lap claimed today, and the breadcrumbs he left were vague enough that it could have been for anything.

Also he claimed Gladys a while back, didn’t he? Why on earth would the doctor claim Gladys?

Scotty comes with decent arguments against Marmot.

Guys i only have 3% on my phone and am in the woods for the night workig. I do have a charger but I can’t peomise I will locate an outlet in this building before EoD.

If we lynch off wagon I support Quin, if you guys think the math works best there. Lap sus he’s in the pool with Colin and marmot and the chlorine needs to come in on one of them I feel

Supports Quin if we lynch off Marmot/Colin, but he did express wanting to lynch between Marmot/Colin.

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

The doctor protecting the cop is like paper beating scissors. It don’t make sense

Scotty eventually switches to Marmot. This is his last post on D4.

I’ve learned a lesson in past games to not tunnel exclusively. I’m always going to have suspicions elsewhere, because that would just be 2-D life baby. And no one wants to live 2D. I found the MP kill odd regardless, even though you apparently don’t. Why didn’t you think he could be lynched? I found him plenty suspicious in the night, as did a few other people. Also my theory that MP was looking closely at a person did turn out to look correct with Colin being Mp’s Main suspect. Could have been coincidence, but I think not. Good to know you thought Mp wouldn’t be mislynched.

My indecisiveness came when claims came into the mix. My initial predilection was to trust Marmot’s claim, because no one had countered. Colon looked fishier than a Japanese market. But his breadcrumbs were shit and I know I wasn’t the only one thinking that. I ended up on the wrong side on the end there.
I will say that objectively my not being around at EoD yesterday is inherently questionable, but I can’t help if my phone dies. If I had been around when JJJ brought up colin’s Interactions concerning Keith, I would have switched back. But that’s impossible to prove

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What makes Scotty town again? : p

For me it’s that he seems pretty similar to his town play in AG the more I see of it, but he’s going to have to flesh out some of these ideas he has and soon.

I’ve already said I think you look suspicious for how you subtly defended choutas on day 1 by proffering that there were better options while rolling your eyes and placing a vote there. You showed up to a friend’s house, and when he handed you a cold refreshing glass of Sunny D, you told him you’d drink it even though it tastes like cat urine

And I’ve already said that I didn’t defend Choutas. What time would you like us to repeat this exchange tomorrow?

That you can’t own up that you even softly defended him is beyond me. Like, it’s ok if you did defend him, everyone does that. But you’re so guarded about it

Who is your scummate

I still think this exchange looks decent for Scotty. The highlighted portion in particular is of interest to me, because this is something I think they would discuss in BTSC rather than in some inflated distancing effort in the game thread. Scotty is right that defending a mafioso isn't necessarily a damning thing, and that Colin refused to accept that he may have done so indirectly was a bad look.

Enter BTSC...

Scotty: you're fighting hard dude, but i honestly think you're better off just admitting that you defended him. it's not that big a deal. besides, jjj loves honesty! [insert metaphor]
Colin: i mean, i guess. i don't know if i really even did that, but i can see how it looks.

There's too much WIFOM here for me to slap a HOT on it, but it's not a NOT either. I'll allow others to judge.

[Dyslexicon]

Those posts you were quoting for hypocrisy are talking about different things: the first one, I was asking what eh votals (vote totals) were at, and the second I said that marmot and Mp voted at the same time, which is evidenced by the fact that that voted the same minute per the time stamp.

Alright, I see what you're saying here. But it doesn't really do a difference to me overall.

[Scotty]

Imo Scotty is definitely a likely candidate to be mafia. If I go through his scum games and feel there is a great different there compared to here, I will rethink. I also want to go through Quin and maybe Nutella's ISO. At least for my own sake.

On D5 I have trouble with how Scotty is so in the clear with Jimmey having organic reactions while he think my reactions are not, since I feel me and Jimmey was basically at the exact same plays in the end of D4, only I ended up choosing Marmot over Colin in the end.

Please read through this ISO and tell me where I'm wrong. The only think that makes me question myself is Scotty voting Colin all of D4 (finally...) but then switching to Marmot last chance. Maybe he really wanted to lynch the doctor.

I’m actually surprised I have been “in the clear” or at least town read for this long regardless of my alignment. Usually I get killed too early for this happen.

Jimmy isn’t the only one doing it, though. Nutella has been right up there in making me a golden child, and the reasoning is talcum powder at best.

If there’s one thing that I can’t really defend against, it’s my hanging vote yesterday on marmot. With my limited battery I took a leap on who I thought looked most fakey, and if there wasn’t a consensus to vote Quin. That’s all I got

[Scotty]

Nutella, You say my state mirrors yours around end of day 4. But I don't remember you being around in thread so much really? (Haven't gone back to look though) Any reason for this?

Yeah I wasn't around at the very end, but when I was around during claimgate it was similar and when I went back to catch up on what I had missed at the very end I found myself relating to your posts the most

This seems to be your MO this game in many things- mirror mandy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

This is the biggest hangup for me when looking for compatibility between nutella and Colin. He TMI'd me and possibly Dizzy too. He didn't care for a Floyd vote, but was still willing to default to that "if a replacement isn't happening" (there's no way to make that distinction on Day 1). This sort of apathy looks believable to me, in that if a wagon had formed on Floyd at EOD, Colin wouldn't have minded joining it. For nutella, I designate this moment

[Scotty]

Scotty you are making a lot of wrong assumptions there. At one point you address a post I made about Dyslexicon as if it was about Colin. You might wanna double check details like that before insisting I'm contradictory. Also, no I actually wasn't around at EOD. I caught up after it ended and saw there had been several more vote changes in the last half hour of the poll.

Anyway, yes I townread Colin until claimgate, and then his behavior around marmot's claim looked awful. Yes he didn't make my narrowed down poe pool befoe then because I townread him more than 4 others at that point, but not enough to clear him. I get why I look like a potential teammate but I assure you I am not and that all of my reactions yesterday were genuine.

Are you talking about this one:
“JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑ I am particularly interested in Dizzy and Colin. They're the most difficult cases to sort given my own preconceptions and also the fact that my own content plays a large role in what I compiled. A less biased perspective would be super.”
“Nutella wrote: I had a similar experience when I ISOed Dyslexicon earlier today -- I was expecting them to look mostly town but I came out of it with pretty much no solid reason to town read them (and not much solid reason to scum read them to be fair, but there is a little bit that points me in that direction, including the Gladys stuff).”
You use the descriptor “them” as a response to Jjj’s quote in talking about both Colin and Dys. So I don’t know what you want me to say there.

Oh god dammit I just realized something when looking thru ISO’s and using the search function with “Colin” only includes when the user says the word and not when they respond to the name of the search term. That fucking sucks. No wonder people are like “I totally said that”. Yeah, I see you more or less calling out Colin on his bullshit earlier when looking at your full ISO.

I use the singular gender-neutral "they" when referring to Dys. That's probably why you're confused. I was not talking about Colin at all in that post, I only reference Dys.

Oh, my bad. And I had no idea, dys! [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] do you prefer them over anything else? I wanna get my pronouns right

[Dyslexicon]

How it made sense was that Kyle was universally town read if I recall, whereas nova was not. You disagree that it was a strategic kill?

Not really. Kyle wasn't doing shit and was also explicitly not Gladys. It was probably intended to be strategic, but I don't think it was a good strategy. It's kind of whatever.

RE: Elo and Colin- I had both as bad at that point, and no one was biting on Colin so I voted for the one of the team that I found suspicious and others did too. If it’s a classic mafia move as you are suggesting...oh well

So laying it out- I think Colin could be bad when wolbre is lynched, but wolbre looks more suspicious. Then Elo and Colin look like potential scum partners so I offer both up, and people gravitate more towards her so confirmation bias sets in. After elo’s mislynch, i felt like it was getting out of hand so I started really digging into Colin, yea, cause it was pissing me off that I was wrong about the others but it all cane back to Colin

I just find it amazing that you had so much criticism of Colin, yet never voted him or tried out if a wagon could build on him before D4.

RE: coffee. Come on, really? If that’s supposed to be a scumslip, then I’m a sentient can of folgers

Behold the mighty "I need coffee" scum tell!
It will be thy doom!
I have myself fallen to it, and though the taste is bitter, it keeps me perky.

[Dyslexicon]

Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

This is the biggest hangup for me when looking for compatibility between nutella and Colin. He TMI'd me and possibly Dizzy too. He didn't care for a Floyd vote, but was still willing to default to that "if a replacement isn't happening" (there's no way to make that distinction on Day 1). This sort of apathy looks believable to me, in that if a wagon had formed on Floyd at EOD, Colin wouldn't have minded joining it. For nutella, I designate this moment

Yes, this was one of the things I was referring to regarding Colin looking for town to lynch that was ok to lynch and anti-town enough instead of truly looking for scum.

[Scotty]

Mmmm I'm really enjoying the dirt you pulled up on Scotty there, Dizzy. The point about Eloh (connecting her to Colin and then lynching her first) was probably the most compelling, and his hard suspicion of Colin at the end of day 3 combined with how he handled day 4... yeah, I can definitely see him being bad now. I'll still do my own look through his ISO and see if I find anything else that jumps out, but I'm really liking your case and seriously reassessing whether I want to go for him or Quin. Yes I said I'd be surprised but I have to entertain the possibility he's fooled me.

Yeah, I’m gonna start calling you Mirroring Mandy.

I found both Elo and Colin suspicious on d2, and Elo was getting more traction so I figured I was probably right

[Dyslexicon]

Oh, my bad. And I had no idea, dys! @Dyslexicon do you prefer them over anything else? I wanna get my pronouns right

You can use whatever pronoun you like. I get it from the context anyway. Sorry if I'm causing trouble by not having a preference, I just truly do not have preference. : p

[Dyslexicon]

As I observe the continuing dialogue, I think Dizzy wins the tone war. I am just seeing a civilian in my soul here, and I have not been moved by the evidence-based arguments to the contrary. I see them, I understand them, but I don't believe in them. I am inclined to remove them from Day 5 contention at least.

nutella and Scotty both have moments of spark and moments that make me uneasy. While Quin continues to float around as a specter of doom, those two have become a duel over the backup position in my POE. I'm going to review all of the analysis I've done for each to this point to find the most inspiring moments.

K, well, to be fair I haven't paid Quin much mind yet. It could be as simple as Quin is scum, but I just think Scotty looks real bad now. If Quin is town he's making himself an easy target and that's annoying as fuck. But I feel the same way about Quin as I have felt about Epi this game. That said, I will ISO Quin too, cause I need to.

[Scotty]

@Everybody

Only two bad guys remain. It may seem early, but POE is your friend. If you can narrow the pool down to about five suspects, you're giving yourself a great opportunity. If you can't, then you have alerted yourself to the investigative pursuits you need to work on. With 2 mafia alive against 11 civilians, we can mislynch four times before arriving at a LyLo phase (assuming no prevented kills and no shenanigans). Also be aware that the presence of a temporarily lynch-immune bad guy can interfere with that considerably.

I forgot that no-lynch role was in and just had a thought- what if the teammate bussed that player early to get him lynched and gain civ credit? Would that even be worth it?

I think it would be a dumb move, but that doesn't mean nobody would do it. The objective of the mafioso is to lynch civilians. Some people have this weird urge to distance and bus whenever and wherever though. I don't necessarily think there's great evidence of that having happened here. I could consider Quin since his Choutas vote was unexplained and arbitrary.

But I’m not even talking about choutas- he was a nobody role. I’m saying that if we find the white rabbit, would the person that was propping them up look as lynch bait more or less suspicious because of it

I mean I dunno if that would be a viable strategy either, but maybe down the line if we have a few mislynches

Oh this is funny. If Scotty is bad he did exactly that.

That would be stupid as shit if I broadcast my intentions like that as bad. But yeah it would be funny I guess

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m not frustrated. I’m confident that I’ve got your number here.

I've an exercise for you.

~ If Marmot is a lying mafioso, who is his teammate?

~ If Marmot is being truthful, who are the two mafia?

I am not a “cart-before-horse” style player so I don’t hunt for teammates until I have one confirmed. And I don’t have time right now for a complete ISO but I did see interactions between he and Dizzy that felt strange on his end. I would have to do an analysis on Dizzy’s posts to guarantee that.

I don’t think Marmot is being truthful, but my bad feeling about lap persists (especially because the night and day difference I saw was actually a game where she was civ.)

If you're Keith Shover, you had one confirmed.

Wow, well fuck me. Fuck all this. That is good.

Mmm yeah fuck I may need to switch back to Colin hmm

This one bugs me a bit. It's Example #318 of nutella going full parrot (or mirror mindy in Scotty talk). Dizzy's response came after having discounted my prior poop-toss at Colin, and I think it looks authentic (they're seeing both sides of my arguments, strong and weak), whereas nutella's jump solely on the strong argument appears obligatory as much as inspired. Like ah shit, Colin screwed up and now I might have to do this. For nutella, I designate this moment

[Dyslexicon]

I’ve learned a lesson in past games to not tunnel exclusively. I’m always going to have suspicions elsewhere, because that would just be 2-D life baby. And no one wants to live 2D. I found the MP kill odd regardless, even though you apparently don’t. Why didn’t you think he could be lynched? I found him plenty suspicious in the night, as did a few other people. Also my theory that MP was looking closely at a person did turn out to look correct with Colin being Mp’s Main suspect. Could have been coincidence, but I think not. Good to know you thought Mp wouldn’t be mislynched.

My indecisiveness came when claims came into the mix. My initial predilection was to trust Marmot’s claim, because no one had countered. Colon looked fishier than a Japanese market. But his breadcrumbs were shit and I know I wasn’t the only one thinking that. I ended up on the wrong side on the end there.
I will say that objectively my not being around at EoD yesterday is inherently questionable, but I can’t help if my phone dies. If I had been around when JJJ brought up colin’s Interactions concerning Keith, I would have switched back. But that’s impossible to prove

I don't think MP would be mislynched because I would fight that like I should've fought for Wolbre. I know this is all internal. Doesn't matter now.

All you say is just like ok. I'm not really swayed. I think you're slippery. You can point and laugh if Quin is scum, but these are my thoughts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That would be stupid as shit if I broadcast my intentions like that as bad. But yeah it would be funny I guess

Given that you proposed that particular line of inquiry (down the line if we have a few mislynches -- hello), do you think anyone fits the bill?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention], if you could, please provide a counterargument for my "HOT" Scotty moments. Those are hangups for me.

[Scotty]

I don’t feel good about Eloh either but I’m of two minds on that post. Could be scum self-preservation, or Marmot’s more charitable explanation could hold up.

I'm considering lynching Quin. His only sign of life today was to freak the hell out about some Dizzy interpretation of his own posts. I don't see evidence that this guy gives a crap about the hunt.

I don’t feel great about him either, or that he’s staying away from two wagons that both seem reasonable.

And Marmot too — what’s up with MP in your eyes?

I have you and Marmot leaning scum, and I’m not convinced re: Eloh, so I don’t think those are just “easy” reads.

As far as “flexible” goes, I’m certainly open to hearing arguments for anybody but a lot of these players I’ve only seen one way and I’m doing a lot of taking peoples’ word on meta analysis. JJJ, Epi, Kyle, I don’t know what they look like as scum so I don’t know what to watch out for. I disengaged from Greece after dying so anything that happened after the early stages was beyond me.

All these posts were right after each other.
So you had one eye on Elo, one on Quin, Marmot and (I think) MP, and you ultimately add to the wolbre train. That’s a lot of eyes that aren’t really looking anywhere in particular.

You’re a spider. I have my one cyclops eye on you

He had talked about wolbre quite a bit earlier on in the day, so I don't find it strange at all.

But even towards the end there, he was leaving himself open to voting all other major wagons. Makes me feel like his hands were in multiple honey jars and the honey jars were spilling over, if Colin is bad then I can see one of his bad reads here being a teammate. Like, if the Elo one had taken off for real (and she were bad) he could go “oh...well I said I thought wolbre or Quin or marmot was bad so ima vote there”

Also this tbh. While reading Scotty's day 2 posts it looks like he is himself guilty of what he is accusing Colin of. He suspects colin, Eloh, wolbre... and keeps emphasizing his suspicion of Colin throughout days 2 and 3 while actually fully supporting the wolbre and Eloh lynches. Kinda looks to me like he's keeping caerbannog in his back pocket as an eventual lynch candidate that should give him credit later, while still fully taking advantage of as many town lynches as possible to put it off.

Ehhhh I guess that’s an angle. This sucks because Colin being the unlynchable one does make this angle fit too.
But why even entertain Colin as a suspect as much as I did- that would obviously come back to bite me as well as why try to get the unlynchable one lynched that early? It doesn’t make sense

[Dyslexicon]

When it comes to establishing Day 1 distance, I don't think the appearance tends to be quite this severe -- at least not when a lynch wagon isn't already being formed. I designate this moment

I don't think it's very severe at all. There's also no follow up. Just a cop out vote on Floyd and saying that if he were to vote elsewhere, but he won't, it would be either Eloh or choutas. Not hot at all to me.

[Scotty]

I gotta say tho, I like dys’s recent pew-pewing into me. I’m more surprised that no one has done this sooner. I think it reads as actually hunting.

Nutella, meanwhile, looks like she’s piggybacking and nodding her head with a “yea guys!” Thrown in

[Dyslexicon]

I have personally said shit like this as a mafioso to civilians who are on my case and won't leave me alone. This looks a lot like Colin trying to find a moment to catch his breath when faced with a civilian who won't leave him be. For Scotty, I designate this moment

I'll give you this though. I'm intending to look over how Colin behaves towards other people suspecting him. It looked to me as if Colin wasn't really that worried about Scotty most of the time, and instead of trying to get him off the tail it was more of an attitude of "oh, and what about you, huh?" imo. And that smells more like distancing. Like "no you are ridiculous for suspecting me". Hopefully I'll get something out of checking Colins attitude towards other people. Colin wrote me off as appreciating my concern early in the game at least.

Also, it's Scotty's interaction with choutas and Colin I find the most damning. Colin first saying Scotty didn't look the same as in AG where he was town (and then nullifying it with a "but maybe I'm not accustomed to their playstyle") on D1, and then saying Scotty does look the same as in AG on D3 when Scotty had established town cred is particularly suspicious to me.

[Dyslexicon]

I gotta say tho, I like dys’s recent pew-pewing into me. I’m more surprised that no one has done this sooner. I think it reads as actually hunting.

Nutella, meanwhile, looks like she’s piggybacking and nodding her head with a “yea guys!” Thrown in

So do you think Quin is scum, or do you think Nut is scum then?

[Dyslexicon]

[mention]Marmot[/mention] and [mention]Charlie Blackmon[/mention], What do you think of my ISO and Scotty and the possibility of him being scum?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Scotty, is the order you gave first-to-last lynch or last-to-first?

That was first to last

Quin was last of the three you listed. Your vote is presently on Quin. Discuss.