Easter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

-Still doesn’t get the full civ status he thinks he deserves in days 2 and 3, steps back from the thread a bit in day 4

"Stepping back" was inevitable. I wasn't here. I hardly touched my computer. I made phone posts here and there as possible given limited charge while out and about in Reno and San Francisco.

But that’s like 5D chess, because we didn’t know Colin was gonna be bad. The entire crux of jjj being bad stems from that D4. Because if he had just let marmot get lynched, it’s 9 v 2. On day 5 it would be 8 v 2, and then we most definitely would have lynched Colin and be 7 v 2 going into today.

Hmmm now that I’ve typed that out, it’s a math game at day 6 in that alternate scenario because a bad jjj would be far more vulnerable if he hadn’t done what he did. A bad jjj in the current world, bussing Colin and turning the tide back to him ensures that he won’t be looked at if he can find some patsies.

If Marmot had been lynched on Day 4, the numbers would have been 6 vs. 2, not 9 vs. 2. After the night kill it'd be 5 vs. 2 entering Day 5. Colin would be confirmed bad after his counterclaim, but not confirmed Caerbannog -- meaning lynching him after Marmot would send the game to LyLo.

It doesn't make sense. That's a better position for the mafia team easily.

[Scotty]

I don’t know if I ever responded to that second quote, but the vagueness in my post there was that I figured MP was Gladys and had come out Day 3 swinging because he found you bad. Some things that changed my opinion:
1) earlier in the day, I learned that claiming was legal. Mp hadn’t claimed and I figured he was on to something. So for me to vote for you while still thinking you were good was something that I would only do if MP had a red check.
2) I forgot that Gladys didn’t have a 100% red check on someone, so as Mp was making his case, I started feeling less confident on his case, and since I figured you to already be a top civ read for me I changed my idea.
3) but he never claimed on d3 and so I started getting paranoid that he wasn’t Gladys at all and started looking at cracks in his intention, thinking maybe he was looking to mislynch you.

Also I’m sorry you’re vomiting. I’ll hold your hair

This is something I thought about as it occurred, but #2 rendered that moot. This is the problem. You're asking me to believe that you thought Gladys Campbell was an ordinary-ass cop. Given the Christian/dentist structure of the game which has been visible the entire time, that would have to mean that you either straight up didn't read the roles at all, or that you were ignorant to those separate civilian factions and the role of the dentist checker.

That's hard to believe. It's less hard to believe that you were prepared to capitalize on MP's folly and blame it on supposed role information.

"It's not what MP is saying but how he is saying it"

Hell, that in itself begs asking: what was it about MP's case, or how he said it, which separated it from any other case made in the Mafia game? Why was that case a cop-driven case?

This is all separate from the worst part of the incident: "I'd rather lynch Colin but..."

Yep I forgot! I know I read it at some point but I did get confused at the time. And I definitely remember reading the whole info dumping is “legal forbidden” on D1, but I think I was confused about both power roles at the time. Ripley’s believe it or not

“What was it about Mp’s Case...which separated it from any other case”

I had to look it up to remind myself, but it was like MP’s 7th or so post out of D3 that got me #spooked

Why is everyone giving Jay a pass? He's on fucking autopilot.

If anything, he looks bad AF. Jay will bus his teammates without remorse if he thinks it's the best way to get to victory.

I want to lynch Jay.

He had previously just prodded people on reads, did some NK analysis on Kyle, then that post. And I would say a huge chunk of D3 came with his claws out for you. So earlier that day I was informed that claiming was legal, and figured it wasn’t exactly common knowledge. Thinking this, I figured MP also wasn’t trying to claim and was coming out against you in a subtle guise of a case. It was the way he was approaching his case on you that made me trust his ‘gut’.
If he had sat on that case and had it evolve throughout the day, it would have looked more organic. But I figured he had a red check on you with how he cane out swinging and I followed it at the time.

[Scotty]

I don’t know if I ever responded to that second quote, but the vagueness in my post there was that I figured MP was Gladys and had come out Day 3 swinging because he found you bad. Some things that changed my opinion:
1) earlier in the day, I learned that claiming was legal. Mp hadn’t claimed and I figured he was on to something. So for me to vote for you while still thinking you were good was something that I would only do if MP had a red check.
2) I forgot that Gladys didn’t have a 100% red check on someone, so as Mp was making his case, I started feeling less confident on his case, and since I figured you to already be a top civ read for me I changed my idea.
3) but he never claimed on d3 and so I started getting paranoid that he wasn’t Gladys at all and started looking at cracks in his intention, thinking maybe he was looking to mislynch you.

Also I’m sorry you’re vomiting. I’ll hold your hair

This is something I thought about as it occurred, but #2 rendered that moot. This is the problem. You're asking me to believe that you thought Gladys Campbell was an ordinary-ass cop. Given the Christian/dentist structure of the game which has been visible the entire time, that would have to mean that you either straight up didn't read the roles at all, or that you were ignorant to those separate civilian factions and the role of the dentist checker.

That's hard to believe. It's less hard to believe that you were prepared to capitalize on MP's folly and blame it on supposed role information.

"It's not what MP is saying but how he is saying it"

Hell, that in itself begs asking: what was it about MP's case, or how he said it, which separated it from any other case made in the Mafia game? Why was that case a cop-driven case?

This is all separate from the worst part of the incident: "I'd rather lynch Colin but..."

Yeah I'm not really buying this defense for similar reasons. You forgot how the cop works even though if you're a civ you are aware of the christian/dentist thing? Nah man I think you forgot cause you're bad and decided to jump on MP's case and pretend later that you had reason to think it was info based, and when you realized that wouldn't actually hold water as a reason you backed down

nope, I just forgot the specifics of the role. I also forgot what I was tbh but that’s fine.

“You forgot cause you’re bad”
When I’m bad, I’m sorry to say I’m on top of my shit. If there’s one thing I do when I’m bad, I make sure I don’t get caught in a lie. I’m vanilla as fuck and forget shit.

Now please stop hopping on the next sensationalist story

[Dyslexicon]

@nutella, Dizzy has removed you from the suspect pool as well. What do you think of that?

I have been intending to ISO and read through her ISO in FE too. Catching up, I still think she comes across town. I think me and Nut think in a similar way a lot of the time, and how she talks and what she says, her uncertainties etc makes sense to me coming from town. I don't know where the sudden Jimmey doubt comes from yet (I stopped this catch up after Night 5. Will continue.

@Dyslexicon please be here

Sorry. I had an involved shrooms in the woods kind of weekend. =/

Guys please don't lynch me. It's not me. I don't know who it is or even why you don't think I'm civ from my attempts to solve the game but I am certain we need to lynch either Quin or Scotty today and the other tomorrow or we could lose. If it's Jay we're fucked but he would deserve it. Don't make a stupid mistake at the last minute.

What changed?

@Dyslexicon wake uuupppppp (fuck arent they in england it's like 3am there oh well)

Norway. And I'm usually up at 4am : p

I'm not getting to the finish line without quadruple checking Dizzy too.

Just remember what makes me town in the first place. So it's not so hard.

Yes this is what I have been saying. He spent several days preaching about how bad Colin was but kept voting for people like Eloh instead.

No, that's what I've been saying lol.

[Dyslexicon]

Reading D6 now. Have a quote from Nut that stands out as town to me for Jimmey.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to catch up and do reading and stuff now.

I'm not voting Jimmey though. Where did that idea come from?

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is the part where I groan about "can't be lynched until X" type mafia roles. Usually overpowered.

[Dyslexicon]

Yeah, Jimmey is town. Marmot is town. Charlie is town.
Nut is almost certainly town.
This is not a bad situation.

Why is nut on a different level than jimmy here? You just concluded that nut and jjj deserve the win if they’re bad.

To all of this. Yeah, pretty much. I'll go crazy if I keep reevaluating. I ALWAYS have doubt in my mind, I can ALWAYS see another perspective. That's just how my brain works. At some point I have to decide or playing is just hell for me. I actually do better if I don't think about things too hard.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm going to catch up and do reading and stuff now.

I'm not voting Jimmey though. Where did that idea come from?

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

No. : p

[JaggedJimmyJay]

But I figured he had a red check on you with how he cane out swinging and I followed it at the time.

If MP has a red check, why would you "rather lynch Colin"?

[Dyslexicon]

Epi can’t really be serious in voting for JJJ, can he?

You can't really be serious that in LyLo, you're not even paying mind to the possibility that I should be lynched, can you?

The same goes for Dizzy two-fold. One thing I agree with Scotty about is that eliminating both nutella and I from the pool is both convenient and self-serving.

I'm dead serious. I'm not voting you. You can cry about it fi you want to, but I don't think you have a reason to. And you really should be saying the same about me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Scotty]

Dizzy suspicion of Colin

Cycle 1

Page 5-7

Maybe I used policy lynch incorrectly there, but it sounds like you're saying we should lynch people who haven't contributed at all as a Day 1 rule, Charlie.

Benefits would be not losing voices in a game that's having a tough time taking off and also, of course, there's nothing stopping a scum from just lurking at this point. Especially at this point, maybe.

What are your reads, hopes and dreams? At this point in the game you're reading more like a side commentator to me. And I've seen scum act that way before. I'm pointing fingers at you.

Pages 8-9

Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

Colini's posts reads like a scum player who wants to lynch the town player who deserves it the most.
^Someone talk to me about this.

What do you mean “deserves it the most”?

Being anti-town, not doing their job. Like, you're looking for town who can be reasonably blamed for getting lynched rather than looking for scum. Are you? ARE YOU???

I started playing around 10 or 11 years ago as a wee babe but I have played extremely inconsistently in that time. Dunno how many. I played on RYM in the old days with some of these folks. I used to want to be scum all the time but now I have a job and junk so it’s a lot harder to have fun that way.

Alright, thanks. So you have enough experience to know anti-town doesn't always equal scum. You voted Lapluie and said her behavior was not pro-town. Why not just say you think she's scum? This is why it looks like you're searching for town that it would make sense voting and it also reads like a guilty mindset.

Hey, engage with me all you want, I just think there are much better targets out there, and the fact that they're "easy" or whatever shouldn't stop us from considering them if they look scummy. Love that tiger stuff though!

This post does not ease my concerns. : p

I don't know you as a player, so it's hard for me to read you. I also am following the suspicions that makes sense to me, and that includes you now. I especially pursue this hunch cause nobody else is. Reading through you looked more controlled and aware than others. I think scum tends to look more like this than town. We'll see, I guess.

Cycle 2

None

Cycle 3

None, voiced trust of Colin

Cycle 4

I haven't read Jimmeey's cases yet. I will take time to respond to mine.

I think Nut comes across very good in interaction with Epi. Reading her town now. So thanks.
I actually think a lot of players comes across better. Epi and Jimmeeey at least. Though Epi's posts are still frustrating as fuck to read.
Scotty and Quin are both very much on the leaning town side in my mind. When I think about it I guess that is mostly intuition/tone, especially for Scotty.

I could find a reason to vote lapluie, Marmot or Colin. Colin maybe least of all those.

Taking a moment to say:

P L A Y E R

S A L A D

I’m not frustrated. I’m confident that I’ve got your number here.

I've an exercise for you.

~ If Marmot is a lying mafioso, who is his teammate?

~ If Marmot is being truthful, who are the two mafia?

I am not a “cart-before-horse” style player so I don’t hunt for teammates until I have one confirmed. And I don’t have time right now for a complete ISO but I did see interactions between he and Dizzy that felt strange on his end. I would have to do an analysis on Dizzy’s posts to guarantee that.

I don’t think Marmot is being truthful, but my bad feeling about lap persists (especially because the night and day difference I saw was actually a game where she was civ.)

If you're Keith Shover, you had one confirmed.

Wow, well fuck me. Fuck all this. That is good.

I have suspected Marmot the entire game since then, but I’ve been trying to avoid attracting his attention to a degree and I needed to find a way to get him and his teammates lynched without blowing my role. Obviously I failed

This checks out.

This is hard to believe.

I do agree with this though.

Dizzy's votes related to Colin

[VOTE: Colin
] aubergine
Even though he's cool and it doesn't matter right now.

The Choutas wagon was positioned already to rule the lynch when Dizzy placed this vote. The generic distancing Day 1 vote is as plausible here as Scotty's initial Choutas vote was.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

To be with the cool kids.

This was the last vote on the Colin wagon (5th of 5) on Day 4 after Marmot claimed Keith Shover and before Colin counterclaimed. That later became:

Colin, I don't think it would take Marmot much thought to understand you are Keith. You didn't hide well. : p

I believe Colin over Marmot. He immediately reacted negatively to the claim.

Also, I can read Marmot souls. I told you all.
[VOTE:
Marmot] aubergine

[VOTE: Colin
] aubergine
Fuck it

This came after I reverse the course of things back toward Colin when Marmot had the lead wagon.

[VOTE: Vote Marmot] aubergine

Final vote.

Right, I’ve brought this up before, but the only real time Dys shares suspicion for Colin is when marmot claimed, but when he counterclained it was back in the saddle.
There is such a thing as defending your teammate too much

[Dyslexicon]

This is among my least favorite moments in Dizzy's post history.

After spending Day 1 constantly poking Colin, their Night 1 read becomes this mild green middle thing in a rainbow that features seven reds. That's seven people rated worse than Colin in a game with only 13 non-Dizzy players alive at that point. That's hard to stomach.

If it hard to stomach for you, think about how it feels for me.

[nutella]

Yeah, Jimmey is town. Marmot is town. Charlie is town.
Nut is almost certainly town.
This is not a bad situation.

Why is nut on a different level than jimmy here? You just concluded that nut and jjj deserve the win if they’re bad.

To all of this. Yeah, pretty much. I'll go crazy if I keep reevaluating. I ALWAYS have doubt in my mind, I can ALWAYS see another perspective. That's just how my brain works. At some point I have to decide or playing is just hell for me. I actually do better if I don't think about things too hard.

Oh mood

[Dyslexicon]

God you're so pretentious lmao

For a little bonus conceit:

I think one of my best skills as an evildoer is to almost but not quite lynch my teammates. In Transistor, with the help of MP and a few poor civilians, we crafted a poll on Day 1 which ensured Elohcin (my teammate) would fall exactly one vote short of the tally lead (6-5). That way, when she actually was lynched, everyone could point back to Day 1 when golly gorsh JJJ tried to lynch her.

Dizzy and I were very successful doing the same thing in Currents with FZ. She was almost lynched once or twice before the day she faked cop.

On this Day 1, I didn't almost lynch Choutas. I burned him at the stake. I deprived him of his life.

Yus. I play similarly. This is what I said when MP made the case against you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm dead serious. I'm not voting you. You can cry about it fi you want to, but I don't think you have a reason to. And you really should be saying the same about me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What do you think are the best indicators in this game of a civilian Dizzy?

[Dyslexicon]

Yeah, Jimmey is town. Marmot is town. Charlie is town.
Nut is almost certainly town.
This is not a bad situation.

Why is nut on a different level than jimmy here? You just concluded that nut and jjj deserve the win if they’re bad.

To all of this. Yeah, pretty much. I'll go crazy if I keep reevaluating. I ALWAYS have doubt in my mind, I can ALWAYS see another perspective. That's just how my brain works. At some point I have to decide or playing is just hell for me. I actually do better if I don't think about things too hard.

Oh mood

Mood?

[Scotty]

I'm going to catch up and do reading and stuff now.

I'm not voting Jimmey though. Where did that idea come from?

Hi welcome to the party. Please take off your shoes and put on these rosy glasses

Epi placed a vote on him and nutella is already 6 long islands in

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Right, I’ve brought this up before, but the only real time Dys shares suspicion for Colin is when marmot claimed, but when he counterclained it was back in the saddle.
There is such a thing as defending your teammate too much

I agree that there is such a thing as defending one's teammate too much. I'm not sure though that such a description fits Dizzy's play in this game -- a focused agenda of Colin defense. What evidence do you see of that?

[Scotty]

Screw it all

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Burn the witch

Let’s not get hasty.

I’ll take a closer look at JJJ if you take a closer look at dys

[JaggedJimmyJay]

One thing I will say was that when I initially started that "the game is over and blah blah has won" exercise, I opened Dizzy's ISO first.

Then I shut it again, because this felt right to me:

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Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

Colini's posts reads like a scum player who wants to lynch the town player who deserves it the most.
^Someone talk to me about this.

The Day 1 really does look nice. It's just very hard to give a lot of credit for that considering Dizzy discounted everything as "exaggerated" on Night 1.

[nutella]

I'm going to catch up and do reading and stuff now.

I'm not voting Jimmey though. Where did that idea come from?

Hi welcome to the party. Please take off your shoes and put on these rosy glasses

Epi placed a vote on him and nutella is already 6 long islands in

I think you mean 6 Adios Motherfuckers.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm dead serious. I'm not voting you. You can cry about it fi you want to, but I don't think you have a reason to. And you really should be saying the same about me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What do you think are the best indicators in this game of a civilian Dizzy?

My whole play. You also put me out of the PoE. I think I should be out of it. Saying this for your own good, Jimmey. But to list some things:
- I would never make the kills that was made N1 and N2.
- I would never have an interaction with Colin like I did with a turn in read where the entire process is internal if I was scum with him. That would be entirely unnecessary. And I'm very careful with how I interact with teammates when scum. Generally I'm more "consistent" as scum.
- I can not fake a freak out of proportions around the Marmot/Colin claim. That is my indecisiveness and turning angles in my head I can only do as town.
- If I was scum with Colin, I would have voted him in the end in the Marmot/Colin when that was a stand off, like I did with FZ. I actually did believe it was Marmot after the lynch was decided.
- Everything. I'm good as scum, but not this good. : p

[nutella]

One thing I will say was that when I initially started that "the game is over and blah blah has won" exercise, I opened Dizzy's ISO first.

Then I shut it again, because this felt right to me:

Pages 8-9

Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

Colini's posts reads like a scum player who wants to lynch the town player who deserves it the most.
^Someone talk to me about this.

The Day 1 really does look nice. It's just very hard to give a lot of credit for that considering Dizzy discounted everything as "exaggerated" on Night 1.

How does this look nice if dizzy didn't follow up on it/actually pursue Colin?

[nutella]

Screw it all

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Burn the witch

Let’s not get hasty.

I’ll take a closer look at JJJ if you take a closer look at dys

Dealio

[Scotty]

@Everybody

Only two bad guys remain. It may seem early, but POE is your friend. If you can narrow the pool down to about five suspects, you're giving yourself a great opportunity. If you can't, then you have alerted yourself to the investigative pursuits you need to work on. With 2 mafia alive against 11 civilians, we can mislynch four times before arriving at a LyLo phase (assuming no prevented kills and no shenanigans). Also be aware that the presence of a temporarily lynch-immune bad guy can interfere with that considerably.

I forgot that no-lynch role was in and just had a thought- what if the teammate bussed that player early to get him lynched and gain civ credit? Would that even be worth it?

I think it would be a dumb move, but that doesn't mean nobody would do it. The objective of the mafioso is to lynch civilians. Some people have this weird urge to distance and bus whenever and wherever though. I don't necessarily think there's great evidence of that having happened here. I could consider Quin since his Choutas vote was unexplained and arbitrary.

If JJJ is bad, he not only brought suspicion upon Colin like I did (I think we were the only ones that I can remember except for MP, who was killed on N3), but he also distanced and bussed both his teammates. He also says later that he isn’t the type to bus his own teammate D1 when bad. But he’s free to advance with this possibility of looking at Quin for a possible D1 bus.

[Dyslexicon]

One thing I will say was that when I initially started that "the game is over and blah blah has won" exercise, I opened Dizzy's ISO first.

Then I shut it again, because this felt right to me:

Pages 8-9

Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

Colini's posts reads like a scum player who wants to lynch the town player who deserves it the most.
^Someone talk to me about this.

The Day 1 really does look nice. It's just very hard to give a lot of credit for that considering Dizzy discounted everything as "exaggerated" on Night 1.

I kind of get it. I'm pissed myself. This is SO typical me. Having right instincts and then leaving it because I become convinced otherwise. I'm the type of player who can get swayed by other players just insisting they are town. I'm get very affected in general.

I think this is all wasting time.

[Dyslexicon]

One thing I will say was that when I initially started that "the game is over and blah blah has won" exercise, I opened Dizzy's ISO first.

Then I shut it again, because this felt right to me:

Pages 8-9

Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

Colini's posts reads like a scum player who wants to lynch the town player who deserves it the most.
^Someone talk to me about this.

The Day 1 really does look nice. It's just very hard to give a lot of credit for that considering Dizzy discounted everything as "exaggerated" on Night 1.

How does this look nice if dizzy didn't follow up on it/actually pursue Colin?

Nut, have you been paying careful attention to everything. I'm town. Hi hi hi.

[nutella]

- I can not fake a freak out of proportions around the Marmot/Colin claim. That is my indecisiveness and turning angles in my head I can only do as town.
- If I was scum with Colin, I would have voted him in the end in the Marmot/Colin when that was a stand off, like I did with FZ. I actually did believe it was Marmot after the lynch was decided.

These are the main reasons I have trouble seeing Dizzy as bad. Their d4 was too organic. Whereas I can see Jay faking his behavior and eventual vote landing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My whole play. You also put me out of the PoE. I think I should be out of it. Saying this for your own good, Jimmey. But to list some things:
- I would never make the kills that was made N1 and N2.

I've agreed most of the game, and I acknowledge that the best counterargument I can come up with is "you thought Kyle was bluffing, pretending not to know about Gladys as Gladys. I do count this in your favor.

- I would never have an interaction with Colin like I did with a turn in read where the entire process is internal if I was scum with him. That would be entirely unnecessary. And I'm very careful with how I interact with teammates when scum. Generally I'm more "consistent" as scum.
- I can not fake a freak out of proportions around the Marmot/Colin claim. That is my indecisiveness and turning angles in my head I can only do as town.

I think both of these describe me as well, though I am wary that the former is inspired by what I just said about my own metas in interactions.

- If I was scum with Colin, I would have voted him in the end in the Marmot/Colin when that was a stand off, like I did with FZ. I actually did believe it was Marmot after the lynch was decided.

I did forget about this, and it moved me at the time. I'll have to revisit it to see if I still feel the same inspiration.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

How does this look nice if dizzy didn't follow up on it/actually pursue Colin?

That's the point. The posts are good on their own power, but the progression is lacking.

[nutella]

One thing I will say was that when I initially started that "the game is over and blah blah has won" exercise, I opened Dizzy's ISO first.

Then I shut it again, because this felt right to me:

Pages 8-9

Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

Colini's posts reads like a scum player who wants to lynch the town player who deserves it the most.
^Someone talk to me about this.

The Day 1 really does look nice. It's just very hard to give a lot of credit for that considering Dizzy discounted everything as "exaggerated" on Night 1.

I kind of get it. I'm pissed myself. This is SO typical me. Having right instincts and then leaving it because I become convinced otherwise. I'm the type of player who can get swayed by other players just insisting they are town. I'm get very affected in general.

I think this is all wasting time.

Ok. I buy this

[nutella]

One thing I will say was that when I initially started that "the game is over and blah blah has won" exercise, I opened Dizzy's ISO first.

Then I shut it again, because this felt right to me:

Pages 8-9

Yeah, having read the case against Jay, I don’t see anything I wouldn’t expect from his town behavior. I don’t see the case on Dizzy and I’d prefer not to vote Floyd, but between those two, if a replacement’s not happening I won’t lose sleep lynching someone not even in the thread.

Colini's posts reads like a scum player who wants to lynch the town player who deserves it the most.
^Someone talk to me about this.

The Day 1 really does look nice. It's just very hard to give a lot of credit for that considering Dizzy discounted everything as "exaggerated" on Night 1.

I kind of get it. I'm pissed myself. This is SO typical me. Having right instincts and then leaving it because I become convinced otherwise. I'm the type of player who can get swayed by other players just insisting they are town. I'm get very affected in general.

I think this is all wasting time.

Ok. I buy this

[Scotty]

nutella, Dizzy has removed you from the suspect pool as well. What do you think of that?

I have been intending to ISO and read through her ISO in FE too. Catching up, I still think she comes across town. I think me and Nut think in a similar way a lot of the time, and how she talks and what she says, her uncertainties etc makes sense to me coming from town. I don't know where the sudden Jimmey doubt comes from yet (I stopped this catch up after Night 5. Will continue.

Dyslexicon please be here

Sorry. I had an involved shrooms in the woods kind of weekend. =/

Guys please don't lynch me. It's not me. I don't know who it is or even why you don't think I'm civ from my attempts to solve the game but I am certain we need to lynch either Quin or Scotty today and the other tomorrow or we could lose. If it's Jay we're fucked but he would deserve it. Don't make a stupid mistake at the last minute.

What changed?

Dyslexicon wake uuupppppp (fuck arent they in england it's like 3am there oh well)

Norway. And I'm usually up at 4am : p
First of all, wtf are you a vampire, and 2nd of all, I’ll be in Norway for 2 weeks in July! Geirangerfjord and Oslo for most but I wanna get a ton of hiking in on some other fjords. Anywhere I shouldn’t miss?itenerary isn’t set

I'm not getting to the finish line without quadruple checking Dizzy too.

Just remember what makes me town in the first place. So it's not so hard.

Yes this is what I have been saying. He spent several days preaching about how bad Colin was but kept voting for people like Eloh instead.

No, that's what I've been saying lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think it would be a dumb move, but that doesn't mean nobody would do it. The objective of the mafioso is to lynch civilians. Some people have this weird urge to distance and bus whenever and wherever though. I don't necessarily think there's great evidence of that having happened here. I could consider Quin since his Choutas vote was unexplained and arbitrary.

If JJJ is bad, he not only brought suspicion upon Colin like I did (I think we were the only ones that I can remember except for MP, who was killed on N3), but he also distanced and bussed both his teammates. He also says later that he isn’t the type to bus his own teammate D1 when bad. But he’s free to advance with this possibility of looking at Quin for a possible D1 bus.
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I think most players are more inclined toward bussing than I am. I do it when there's a strategic need or opportunity -- neither of those exist in a Day 1 situation where I personally slaughter a guy. That's not "opportunity" -- it's foolhardy.

I am closer to the likes of Epignosis in this regard. Actively lynching my own teammates goes against the numbers game, and the numbers game is what dictates win probability in most game situations.

Other people? I've seen it all.

[Scotty]

Just remember what makes me town in the first place. So it's not so hard.

I mean I could say the same thing about me, but I’m not. But since you’re bragging here, enlighten me

[Dyslexicon]

I want to vote Scotty. I kind of hate it, but he's pretty compelling today regarding the follow MP thing. Whoever is scum is playing a fucking great game. I've seen some of the strongest scum performances ever on this very site.

I'm not about to lynch Jimmey. Not sorry. The tiny chance of him being scum would not upset me at all. Maybe this is a dumb reason not to vote for some, but it's not for me.

I'm going to ISO Nut both in this game and FE.
I'm going to Meta check Scotty as well.

I'm spending a lot of time on this game, but that is my own decision.
I care. I would feel bad if I get it wrong because of disappointing the team. But really, I have recently come back from a mafia break, because I get too wrapped up in games. I'm purposfully shedding some hyper competitiveness. At some point I will just have to make my mind up. And I have on Jimmey, unless he outright scum slips.

I think the investigation on me is a complete waste of time. Really. Obviously, other town don't agree since you all are doing it. But hey. : p

Anyway, I need to eat and stuff. I'll just be inside tonight in front of my computer, so I'll be around and do my ISO and reading step by step.

[Dyslexicon]

Just remember what makes me town in the first place. So it's not so hard.

I mean I could say the same thing about me, but I’m not. But since you’re bragging here, enlighten me

No, you can't.

[Scotty]

Yeah, Jimmey is town. Marmot is town. Charlie is town.
Nut is almost certainly town.
This is not a bad situation.

Why is nut on a different level than jimmy here? You just concluded that nut and jjj deserve the win if they’re bad.

To all of this. Yeah, pretty much. I'll go crazy if I keep reevaluating. I ALWAYS have doubt in my mind, I can ALWAYS see another perspective. That's just how my brain works. At some point I have to decide or playing is just hell for me. I actually do better if I don't think about things too hard.

It’s not helpful to us however if you’re playing in your head. I can appreciate the playstyle but in this situation, it makes me

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Dizzy

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Are you fucking kidding me

Can you please end my misery and tell me if you’re scum or not? I need to sleep.

It’s Marmot.

I fucking knew it! I had posts written up begging for people to move to Marmot, but I’m too afraid to be wrong. Fuck.

At the time I thought this looked great for Dizzy. Under LyLo conditions I will be more critical, and paint this as a mafia interaction right here in this text box as the words come to mind.

Dizzy knows Colin is bad, and in BTSC they agree to a quick post-deadline act in which Dizzy maintains a frantic persona, Colin informs him the bad guy was Marmot, and Dizzy despairs his failure to lead the wagon.

Problem: they had to get this in before G-Man revealed the results, which would come at an unknown moment.
--- Counterproblem: G-Man has generally taken a little bit to do that in prior lynches
Problem: this is a highly specific assertion of BTSC plotting
--- Counterproblem: It may not be necessary to invoke BTSC plotting for this to make sense, it can still be coordinated in real time between teammates with good chemistry
Problem: this is starting to sound stupid

I'm still inclined to think this looks good for Dizzy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Scotty[/mention], what is your perception of how Dizzy has handled process of elimination in this phase?

[Scotty]

But I figured he had a red check on you with how he cane out swinging and I followed it at the time.

If MP has a red check, why would you "rather lynch Colin"?

Stubbornness in me also wanting to be right.
But he never said he had a red check. I thought he might, so I voted you and changed later

[JaggedJimmyJay]

But I figured he had a red check on you with how he cane out swinging and I followed it at the time.

If MP has a red check, why would you "rather lynch Colin"?

Stubbornness in me also wanting to be right.
But he never said he had a red check. I thought he might, so I voted you and changed later

I need to talk about the Elohcin incident again, which if I recall correctly was during the same day phase.

Why Elohcin before Colin? You may have answered already, but were here now and talking.

[Scotty]

Right, I’ve brought this up before, but the only real time Dys shares suspicion for Colin is when marmot claimed, but when he counterclained it was back in the saddle.
There is such a thing as defending your teammate too much

I agree that there is such a thing as defending one's teammate too much. I'm not sure though that such a description fits Dizzy's play in this game -- a focused agenda of Colin defense. What evidence do you see of that?

It’s more applicable to D4, when they did defend Colin as a solid town read.

Before then, as you’ve pointed out, he had civ leans. But when the majority of town was out for colin, dizzy amped up her defense of him.

[Scotty]

Oh, haven’t voted yet

[VOTE: Dys] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Before then, as you’ve pointed out, he had civ leans. But when the majority of town was out for colin, dizzy amped up her defense of him.

Is this something you've already indicated in your reviews of Dizzy with specific posts?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm going to review [mention]Quin[/mention]'s case against nutella. I am mentioning him to fill him with spirit and joy.

[Dyslexicon]

[mention]Scotty[/mention], About you visiting Noway - Cool! I wish I had immediate suggestions for things to do, and I'll think about it, but for some reason it's difficult when I actually live in the city to see it from the outside. I'll be in Oslo in July though, so if you want to meet up and grab a beer or whatever, I'd definitely be up for it. I could show you around a bit and stuff also, if you'd like. No pressure of course, but if you want I'd be happy to! I've never been to Geiranger, but I'm sure it's beautiful! I'm not a hiking expert, unfortunately, but there are a tuns of really scenic and gorgeous places around the fjords, west in Norway. Geiranger, Sognerfjorden as well.

[Dyslexicon]

If Nut is scum I will love her even more. And I already love her a lot. : p

[Dyslexicon]

It’s not helpful to us however if you’re playing in your head. I can appreciate the playstyle but in this situation, it makes me

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Dizzy

My nickname is rather fitting. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯