Easter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[nutella]

ColinIsCool
Kylemii
M Plus 7
novaselinenever
Scotty

Dyslexicon
TheFloyd73

wolbre04
Quin
MacDougall
lapluie
Elohcin
Choutas

One teammate at the top.

One teammate at the bottom.

lol I noticed that too

[Epignosis]

May I ask why do you think I should be at the bottom of your reads?

Be aware that the colors represent tiers and are not ordered within.

I thought your off-hand comment about Day 1 WIFOM looked phony -- saying something for the sake of it.

Softball interaction.

[nutella]

I forgot Epignosis. Call him yellow.

Epignosis was forgotten? Choutas and ColinisCool made the top and bottom though. Yet Epignosis was forgotten.

Wait, who's Epignosis again?

[Epignosis]

So far, my vote is staying. I don't care how many posts you have.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think Scotty is bad.

It would be very helpful if you could reference a specific post or posts which give you that impression.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So since she did come back from D1 with her stern eye and such (giving a useless off wagon vote to colin, if you remember) to deliver the “I think Colin is town and I only did that to exaggerate a read and get a rise out of him”, how can you even call it “nice”.

That's the point I made. The Day 1 posts look nice in isolation, but when the progression beyond that point is assessed the credibility is lost.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am not the most suspicious player in this game.

That's for the rest of us to decide. Not you.

The rest of you will decide whatever you decide.

And I will tell you when you're wrong.

[Epignosis]

Stop letting me lead the post count. Y'all step up. Let's go, get to it. I don't want to be this guy for once. Give me a break.

This drives me crazy. If you don't want to lead the post count, then stop...posting.

People posting doesn't automatically guarantee good people win. It doesn't. What it does- and I've said this before- is burn good people out to the point that they don't want to bother.

JJJ knows this. You don't have to post a hundred times to get things going.

[Epignosis]

I don't think Scotty is bad.

It would be very helpful if you could reference a specific post or posts which give you that impression.

I've already told you: There's no specific point. It is my overall opinion of his input.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Stop letting me lead the post count. Y'all step up. Let's go, get to it. I don't want to be this guy for once. Give me a break.

This drives me crazy. If you don't want to lead the post count, then stop...posting.

People posting doesn't automatically guarantee good people win. It doesn't. What it does- and I've said this before- is burn good people out to the point that they don't want to bother.

JJJ knows this. You don't have to post a hundred times to get things going.

You can hate the way I play, and my obsessive itch to post, but it doesn't make me bad. I was heavily posting in two games at once and it was pissing me off. I did it anyway because I cannot help myself.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think Scotty is bad.

It would be very helpful if you could reference a specific post or posts which give you that impression.

I've already told you: There's no specific point. It is my overall opinion of his input.

I'm trying to understand how you arrived there. If you're right, then I want to have the same read that you have. Absolutely anything can be beneficial. If you can't give me that then fine.

[Dyslexicon]

If I don't think anyone is scum, should I just vote for Colin again?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

...I don't know about you guys, but I'm experiencing an awful lot of deja vu reading this shit. Like, seriously, a lot. This is just a small selection but I invite others to check it out. He's doing all the same shit he did to fool the civs and win in that game. And you know what they say, fool me once, fool me twice, fool me chicken soup with rice.

Jay is bad. Deal with it.

What is the shit that is the same? I see a bunch of Bravo posts, but I don't see connections to posts in this game.

Bravo reveled in a dead-ass thread and dominated a thread that nobody else cared about. That never happened in the most active heist of all time.

[Epignosis]

My time is soon to become restricted in this game. If I do end up lynched, then I want the following to be my last request:

Make this game move in my absence and give a strong effort. If you kill your most effortful contributor and then let the game snail along, you literally will owe me an apology. Spare yourself that awkward nonsense and let it roll. In my ever-conceited view, I have been almost the only thing standing in the way of this game devolving into the same kind of horrible pace that resulted in the cakewalk mafia wins of Great Gatsby and 2018 Syndicate Mafia, and that I controlled easily in Phenon Origins.

Don't take the ability out of my hands to influence my own chance to win and then guarantee that I will lose by playing lazy Mafia.

Or else.

I'll be around throughout the day, but not really in real time. I'll have to pick my spots.

I do not recall a good JJJ ever saying this in the first inning. It looks like a token effort to spur people on.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

As of right now, I can see why JJJ has the most votes (even though it's only 2). His excuses for not carrying the thread don't feel genuine. He is participating enough in another game he is in.

If you feel that carrying the thread is important, why don't you give it a try?

I'm not doing it. If it's on me every game, then we're going to lose and it will be a mafia cakewalk.

When does JJJ expect Eloh to "carry the thread?"

He says he's not doing it, and it's on him every game. Yet here he is, doing "it."

Normally, if someone would have this exchange, JJJ would ask for a "read." He didn't supply one himself.

It's very irritating when people who do barely anything gripe about my lack of thread leadership.

[Epignosis]

I don't think Scotty is bad.

It would be very helpful if you could reference a specific post or posts which give you that impression.

I've already told you: There's no specific point. It is my overall opinion of his input.

I'm trying to understand how you arrived there. If you're right, then I want to have the same read that you have. Absolutely anything can be beneficial. If you can't give me that then fine.

Any opinion I've had has been wrong. I'm in a slump.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My time is soon to become restricted in this game. If I do end up lynched, then I want the following to be my last request:

Make this game move in my absence and give a strong effort. If you kill your most effortful contributor and then let the game snail along, you literally will owe me an apology. Spare yourself that awkward nonsense and let it roll. In my ever-conceited view, I have been almost the only thing standing in the way of this game devolving into the same kind of horrible pace that resulted in the cakewalk mafia wins of Great Gatsby and 2018 Syndicate Mafia, and that I controlled easily in Phenon Origins.

Don't take the ability out of my hands to influence my own chance to win and then guarantee that I will lose by playing lazy Mafia.

Or else.

I'll be around throughout the day, but not really in real time. I'll have to pick my spots.

I do not recall a good JJJ ever saying this in the first inning. It looks like a token effort to spur people on.

You haven't seen me accumulate a 4-vote bandwagon in the first inning.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think Scotty is bad.

It would be very helpful if you could reference a specific post or posts which give you that impression.

I've already told you: There's no specific point. It is my overall opinion of his input.

I'm trying to understand how you arrived there. If you're right, then I want to have the same read that you have. Absolutely anything can be beneficial. If you can't give me that then fine.

Any opinion I've had has been wrong. I'm in a slump.

Me too. That's why I am seeking help everywhere I can.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I forgot Epignosis. Call him yellow.

Epignosis was forgotten? Choutas and ColinisCool made the top and bottom though. Yet Epignosis was forgotten.

Yes, I forgot you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

May I ask why do you think I should be at the bottom of your reads?

Be aware that the colors represent tiers and are not ordered within.

I thought your off-hand comment about Day 1 WIFOM looked phony -- saying something for the sake of it.

Softball interaction.

My overall treatment of Choutas on Day 1 was as hardball as it gets.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So far, my vote is staying. I don't care how many posts you have.

I don't care how many posts I have either. I really don't know why this is relevant.

I honestly entered this day phase dreading your posts, because I know you cannot get over your tendency to assume that if you don't give me shit, nobody will. You have the power to single-handedly ruin the game by directing all eyes on me, the wrong guy, and I seriously hope you spend as much time on the other candidates.

[Epignosis]

So far, my vote is staying. I don't care how many posts you have.

I don't care how many posts I have either. I really don't know why this is relevant.

I honestly entered this day phase dreading your posts, because I know you cannot get over your tendency to assume that if you don't give me shit, nobody will. You have the power to single-handedly ruin the game by directing all eyes on me, the wrong guy, and I seriously hope you spend as much time on the other candidates.

I do what nobody else wants to do.

[nutella]

...I don't know about you guys, but I'm experiencing an awful lot of deja vu reading this shit. Like, seriously, a lot. This is just a small selection but I invite others to check it out. He's doing all the same shit he did to fool the civs and win in that game. And you know what they say, fool me once, fool me twice, fool me chicken soup with rice.

Jay is bad. Deal with it.

What is the shit that is the same? I see a bunch of Bravo posts, but I don't see connections to posts in this game.

Bravo reveled in a dead-ass thread and dominated a thread that nobody else cared about. That never happened in the most active heist of all time.

No dude you can't even ask that question it's so obvious. Just look at the stuff I quoted. Most of it is nearly word-for-word identical to stuff you have posted in this game. I'm not babysitting you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]nutella[/mention],

What is the difference you perceive to exist between Dizzy's Day 4 and my Day 4?

[Epignosis]

Enough time has been spent on the others. None has been spent on you. That's a problem.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

No dude you can't even ask that question it's so obvious. Just look at the stuff I quoted. Most of it is nearly word-for-word identical to stuff you have posted in this game. I'm not babysitting you.

Jesus Christ, I'm not asking you to babysit me. I am asking you to be more specific. As it stands, I have a pile of posts and nutella saying to me "they're the same".

I'm not in your brain. I don't know the parallels you perceive. Without them, I have nothing to say.

I'm just going to explain to y'all why I am a civilian in clear terms, and if people refuse to listen then that's their fault.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Enough time has been spent on the others. None has been spent on you. That's a problem.

It's true that I have faced less scrutiny than others.

That has no bearing on the rolecard I received.

[nutella]

nutella,

What is the difference you perceive to exist between Dizzy's Day 4 and my Day 4?

Tone, mostly, and how authentically you appeared to arrive at the decisions you made; also, you ended on colin while dizzy ended on marmot.

[Epignosis]

Enough time has been spent on the others. None has been spent on you. That's a problem.

It's true that I have faced less scrutiny than others.

That has no bearing on the rolecard I received.

I didn't get your role card.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

nutella,

What is the difference you perceive to exist between Dizzy's Day 4 and my Day 4?

Tone, mostly, and how authentically you appeared to arrive at the decisions you made; also, you ended on colin while dizzy ended on marmot.

Expand. What did Dizzy say or do which seemed authentic, and what did I say or do which seemed inauthentic?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Enough time has been spent on the others. None has been spent on you. That's a problem.

It's true that I have faced less scrutiny than others.

That has no bearing on the rolecard I received.

I didn't get your role card.

That's right.

I am asking you to understand the impact you can have on the game in this elimination phase, because if you want me lynched -- you can probably make that happen.

[Epignosis]

Enough time has been spent on the others. None has been spent on you. That's a problem.

It's true that I have faced less scrutiny than others.

That has no bearing on the rolecard I received.

I didn't get your role card.

That's right.

I am asking you to understand the impact you can have on the game in this elimination phase, because if you want me lynched -- you can probably make that happen.

I know.

[ColinIsCool]

You guys heard any good tunes lately?

[Epignosis]

No dude you can't even ask that question it's so obvious. Just look at the stuff I quoted. Most of it is nearly word-for-word identical to stuff you have posted in this game. I'm not babysitting you.

Jesus Christ, I'm not asking you to babysit me. I am asking you to be more specific. As it stands, I have a pile of posts and nutella saying to me "they're the same".

I'm not in your brain. I don't know the parallels you perceive. Without them, I have nothing to say.

I'm just going to explain to y'all why I am a civilian in clear terms, and if people refuse to listen then that's their fault.

Colin took Jesus' name in vain too when he was caught.

[Epignosis]

You guys heard any good tunes lately?

[ColinIsCool]

You guys heard any good tunes lately?

Better than the new Kanye album at least.

[nutella]

No dude you can't even ask that question it's so obvious. Just look at the stuff I quoted. Most of it is nearly word-for-word identical to stuff you have posted in this game. I'm not babysitting you.

Jesus Christ, I'm not asking you to babysit me. I am asking you to be more specific. As it stands, I have a pile of posts and nutella saying to me "they're the same".

I'm not in your brain. I don't know the parallels you perceive. Without them, I have nothing to say.

I'm just going to explain to y'all why I am a civilian in clear terms, and if people refuse to listen then that's their fault.

Fine. Here's a bunch of parallels in rough order of the bravo posts I quoted. Not going to the trouble of searching out specific posts from this game but I will if you insist on not believing they exist.

- Emphasized the importance of PoE
- Interactive analyses of every player with your teammate (in general you do a lot of interactive analyses anyway, but nonetheless it felt parallel here)
- The fucking stupid "reasons why each player can be a civilian" exercise and the rundown of how you felt doing it for each person
- Urging people repeatedly to put in more effort to solve and win the game
- Similar situation at endgame with tense decision-weighing and you placing tentative votes while encouraging continuous discussion/defenses from those who needed to convince you they were civilian
- Suspecting someone for voicing a strong civilian read of you

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why I am a civilian:

Spoiler: show

Players, please talk to me about...

Choutas

I use chrome maybe its a settings issue.
Anyhow lets get to business.

Cool. What do you think of rabbits?

Also, the game

Theyre cute but they make terrible meat so a no for me.
The game has started in a mild manner we need to stir things up. Force people to read others.

As for Day one Mac i think hes right into the role.

I agree. Few people have taken less advantage of the stirring up of thing that has happened since.

I don't know what this is.

In Ancient Greece, Choutas got off to a slow start. He didn't hesitate to make game-relevant comments though, and he was incisive.

Ancient Greece Choutas ISO

This time he has given much less in the way of reads, and doesn't seem oriented toward getting to a place where he can have reads.

Easter Choutas ISO

Choutas hails from RYM, the same place I came from originally. He hasn't played much Mafia in recent memory after RYM:OT's demise. This is only his third game or so on The Syndicate, and to my knowledge it's his first time aligned with a mafia faction. This is his opportunity to show what he can do, to make a mark, and to impress.

He and I go way back. So how do I treat him in this opportunity of his?

I sure as hell don't bus him out of nowhere, with numerous other names in discussion as candidates (some of whom i.e. Elohcin I actively resisted in favor of Choutas). I brought him into the dialogue. I provided the meat of the case against him. I motivated the bandwagon. I turned away the other candidates.

I didn't do that for fucking town credit. That's so lame. If I had been a mafioso with Choutas AND Colin in this game, both old RYM mates, I would have loved the chance to dig deep with them and show what we can do. I don't throw Choutas in the damned dumpster right away. Nobody can tell me he asked for it either, because he has been watching this thing ever since he died. Even now five cycles later he has voted in the dead option to monitor events. He's been available to play, and absolutely did not deny him that privilege. It would have been shitty, boring, and strategically foolish. No.

I hate bussing my teammates and have never done it on Day 1 in my Mafia career. It “can” work, but on balance it’s a net negative. I don’t engage in foolery and tricks when there is no need. I lynch civilians and I win.

I cannot hunt without an opportunity to comb ISOs and discuss topics live. Ideally I’ll have my chance later, but if I do end up lynched I have a fucking demand.

If you’re a civilian and you lynched me, especially if your name is M Plus 7, you will follow these instructions:

1. You will not wallow in misery and frustration.
2. You will not lament your mistake.
3. You will not allow yourself to give anything away to the mafia team.
4. You will transform your bad feelings about murdering me into increased intensity and will to win.
5. You will hunt without mercy, and without regard for having been wrong about me.
6. You will lynch those who give you no inspiration.
7. You will not lynch those who do unless you have truly uncovered a sound and plausible case.
8. You will do this in my memory, for you will have ripped my control over ending my losing streak from my grasp and shouldered it yourself.
9. You will not let me down.

I'm not going to tell you that this post on its own power makes me a civilian. There's a lot of WIFOM in that and I won't ask you to contend with that. Instead, I am just going to explain to you exactly where my head was at when I made it and allow you to judge for yourself.

At this point in the game, MP was hounding me with considerable suspicion, and I wasn't available often enough to contend with it as much as I would have liked. Given that, and given that his suspicion did catch on at least with some players, I thought there was a reasonable chance I'd be lynched. That possibility really bothered me, but not merely because I would be a mislynch. Rather, it was the specific circumstances which spelled serious long-term problems for the civilian faction.

I am a loud and effortful contributor. I'm gone.

The primary voice driving that lynch is another loud and effortful contributor. I had a feeling that if I got lynched, my civilian flip would have really bad ramifications -- MP would immediately lose his confidence, become rattled, and settle back into a less active game state as a result. That'd amount to the two most dedicated solvers both being removed from the equation, at least in part, in one move. That can lose the game by itself.

So I tried to intervene, not just to "defend myself", but to resist that eventuality. I wanted to take the opportunity to give MP the proper infusion of motivation, something he could return to after my destruction to help him maintain course. If I had been lynched, the civilians would have needed him more than ever at his best. I wanted him at his best.

I’m not frustrated. I’m confident that I’ve got your number here.

I've an exercise for you.

~ If Marmot is a lying mafioso, who is his teammate?

~ If Marmot is being truthful, who are the two mafia?

I am not a “cart-before-horse” style player so I don’t hunt for teammates until I have one confirmed. And I don’t have time right now for a complete ISO but I did see interactions between he and Dizzy that felt strange on his end. I would have to do an analysis on Dizzy’s posts to guarantee that.

I don’t think Marmot is being truthful, but my bad feeling about lap persists (especially because the night and day difference I saw was actually a game where she was civ.)

If you're Keith Shover, you had one confirmed.

If I don't make this post, I think Marmot gets lynched. He had a 5-0 tally lead. If I am mafia and I know Colin is the bullshitter, I love that. There is no way in hell that I turn this around if I don't have to. This is a specific-ass observation that probably doesn't exist in anyone else's post histories if I don't put it here. It's not some mastermind bus technique. It's stupidity.

[nutella]

Lmao you did "why I'm a civilian" as Bravo too. Load of steaming doodoo.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Fine. Here's a bunch of parallels in rough order of the bravo posts I quoted. Not going to the trouble of searching out specific posts from this game but I will if you insist on not believing they exist.

- Emphasized the importance of PoE

POE wins games for civilians. See: Fiddler and Vocaroo 2 for the most obvious recent examples.

I did that in Phenon to match my meta.

- Interactive analyses of every player with your teammate (in general you do a lot of interactive analyses anyway, but nonetheless it felt parallel here)

If I am playing in a Mafia game and a dead mafioso exists, then these interactive analyses exist. That is my most beloved strategy.

- The fucking stupid "reasons why each player can be a civilian" exercise and the rundown of how you felt doing it for each person

You need to look at my civilian games too, clearly. This shit happens in every game.

- Urging people repeatedly to put in more effort to solve and win the game

Yep. In that game, my effort to facilitate content was limited purely to that. It usually doesn't work, and I was happy to let it not work.

In this game and generally any civilian game, I facilitate content with every possible method I can think of to include such encouragement (but also with the more concrete methods associated with similar players like Sloonei and MP). That's how I have facilitated this game. I didn't do that shit in Phenon, and the thread was a cadaver.

- Similar situation at endgame with tense decision-weighing and you placing tentative votes while encouraging continuous discussion/defenses from those who needed to convince you they were civilian

One must either solve the game or pretend to try. In this scenario, the basic approach is going to be similar for both sides. One pokes, prods, and analyzes. One asks for defenses. One defends. Etc. The content means little, the sincerity means everything.

- Suspecting someone for voicing a strong civilian read of you

I just got my ass buddied to oblivion in Ass Class. I'm not letting that shit fly this time.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lmao you did "why I'm a civilian" as Bravo too. Load of steaming doodoo.

What comparisons have you drawn to my civilian games?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Lmao you did "why I'm a civilian" as Bravo too. Load of steaming doodoo.

You had better read the content the post or I swear to bob

[ColinIsCool]

I wish someone would buddy my ass to oblivion. Nights like these really make you miss the ex.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t know about Jay you guys. Would he make a legacy post that long, for the second time in the game, if he were scum? My instinct and knowledge of him as a player tells me he’d put the effort to try to frame somebody else instead or something.

There's also the part where Colin knew I was a civilian. This isn't defense of a teammate. It's a desire to avoid an errant bandwagon on JaggedJimmyJay and land on the right side of history. If I get lynched and flip civilian, everyone involved looks like shit. He didn't want to look like shit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

ColinIsCool
Kylemii
M Plus 7
novaselinenever
Scotty

Dyslexicon
TheFloyd73

wolbre04
Quin
MacDougall
lapluie
Elohcin
Choutas

One teammate at the top.

One teammate at the bottom.

The green tier is in alphabetical order. The orange tier is in reverse alphabetical order. That's just how I threw the names into the list.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention],

You insist that I am not going to have your vote. Here now I have two other players with a side of Scotty diving into my stuff and telling me how bad it is -- your intervention in this has been close to nil. Why?

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon,

You insist that I am not going to have your vote. Here now I have two other players with a side of Scotty diving into my stuff and telling me how bad it is -- your intervention in this has been close to nil. Why?

What's the point of this question though?

I've been playing in a different game and done other stuff. Not actively engaged in this mess right now. Haven't read the points against you yet either.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What's the point of this question though?

If the read you have been expressing is accurate, and I get lynched -- the civilians lose.

That's bad.

[Dyslexicon]

What's the point of this question though?

If the read you have been expressing is accurate, and I get lynched -- the civilians lose.

That's bad.

Was that the point of your question? Cause I'm fully aware that a mislynch means a loss. Don't worry about that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What's the point of this question though?

If the read you have been expressing is accurate, and I get lynched -- the civilians lose.

That's bad.

Was that the point of your question? Cause I'm fully aware that a mislynch means a loss. Don't worry about that.

Some effort to prevent that eventuality would be an important thing.

If you're doing other shit right now, then okay. Folks still have 23 hours to at least realize that I am a crap choice today.