Firefly, The Game [GAME OVER]

[Kylemii]

Kylemii - Town lean, mainly based on tone

what part of my tone gives you a town read? most of what you have access to has been my wizard roleplay, and i thought you took issue with my speedchuck vote?

[Kylemii]

town lean*

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I disagree really hard with speed's INH case but I'm not sure if it's fake.

I wonder if speed was suspecting him before or if he only decided to pay attention to him now, though.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also have 2 points in technical if anyone is interested.

[speedchuck]

Yeaaaahhhh [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

That INH "case" is so beyond fake

That wasn't a case. That was gut thought spillage.

[speedchuck]

I disagree really hard with speed's INH case but I'm not sure if it's fake.

I wonder if speed was suspecting him before or if he only decided to pay attention to him now, though.

Pretty sure my shipmates can corroborate

[speedchuck]

this case is like flavorless expired tofu

Most of the gut reaction was that your 'CFD' seemed completely impossible to perform at the time you suggested it, and so I was looking for motive. The case practically builds itself if I look through a filter. :P

Mostly, I'm just spamming thoughts into the thread for... thought. If I thought I'd nabbed a scum, I'd vote for you.

[speedchuck]

Oh, and Nutella should have a decent handle on how I play scum. I don't believe that she really thinks I'm bad. This is either some kinda weird pressure thing or she's scummy.

[speedchuck]

[mention]insertnamehere[/mention]

Speedchuck ignored his rainbow list because he doesn't care about it, it's not real, he doesn't actually trust or suspect anyone he put on that list in any color, he just wanted to look productive and he is bad.

Kay.

So, if I'm bad, what is my logic behind anything I've done this dayphase? Just saying that it doesn't hold town logic is bad. Where is the scum logic?
"Wanted to look productive."
Psh. I'm pretty good at blending when bad. Let me give you some meta context.

I just got out of two scum games and a town game. MK, LOTR, and Buffy.

Scum: I survived in MK until I alignment claimed, with only Mac and maybe Dunya voicing suspicion along the way. Nothing gained any traction. I survived in LOTR by making posts, giving effort, and laying low. Typical scum games for me. Clean, smart, calculated (except for the alignment claim. Don't ask.)

Town: I survived in Buffy as town because my D1 play was crappy and my BTSC partner wasted his role protecting me. Then I gambited in order not to be lynched, despite having a lynchproof I forgot about, got lynched anyway and survived. I then vigged two townies, wrote off the ENTIRE EFFING SCUMTEAM as town, and lost the game, despite having gut scumreads on some of the baddies in early game. It was a crapshoot, and I made some weird choices, especially in the early days.

Tell me, which one of these recent games more matches my behavior in this game?

If you think I'm good enough to calculate my horrendous town game and put on an act, then i thank you for the compliment. But I LIKE having little suspicion. I LIKE playing scum games and being the supahtown smart guy. I LIKE being on top of things. But I'm not a good enough hunter to do that as town.

You can hate self-calls to meta if you want, but the fact of the matter is: if I were scum, I'd have an inkling of an idea what I'm doing.

From GoC, in which I was the first mislynched townie to leave the game.

"I look good when scum, and look bad when town."

Tell me again how townies never say that, or use it as a defense. I have. Granted, at the time I had the meta to back it up, but I made the argument.
I'll look at the rest of your Luna case separately.

[speedchuck]

Oh lol I couldn't vote INH if I wanted to. Keep forgetting.

[DharmaHelper]

Total votes: 10

Congratulations to the mafia for their win.

[speedchuck]

Regarding the rest of the Luna case:

I think it is based on her lack of hunting, and her excuses for her lack of hunting, yes? I could see that coming from town or scum Luna. Please summarize the case, if I have misunderstood it.

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Rereading some, today seems slow but this is also one of the few games in a while when I've felt lazier than some games.

[speedchuck]

Rereading some, today seems slow but this is also one of the few games in a while when I've felt lazier than some games.

Is that a scumtell of yours?

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I see Luna's fairly popular. On the one hand I'd love her as a Captain but I would also love to have her on my crew.

^posts like this one still make me unsure of my captain. Where he talks about two things but doesn't give a clear statement about where he is actually at.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Rereading some, today seems slow but this is also one of the few games in a while when I've felt lazier than some games.

Is that a scumtell of yours?

Lazy would be more so a personality trait.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I'm here! This looks very complicated lol but at least there's not a lot of talk yet. Will catch up now.

Not sure, if I'm crazy about this post either. It seems like he's potentially excusing himself by blaming future behavior "complicated setup" And then he seems excited over there not being too many posts yet. hmm

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Man it looks like I went with the popular choices, but I swear I had those people in mind before the thread opened. Guess the rest of you had similar ideas.

This post also gives me bad vibes, seems overly worried with how others will view your votes.

Maybe a little bit, I guess I can read either way

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Regarding the rest of the Luna case:

I think it is based on her lack of hunting, and her excuses for her lack of hunting, yes? I could see that coming from town or scum Luna. Please summarize the case, if I have misunderstood it.

It's not just scumhunting, it's how much she seems to care about the crew aspect of the game in comparison.

It's such an easy thing for mafia to latch on and coast with it's not even funny.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Caring about game mechanics instead of people is one of the few tells I think actually works more often than not.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Man it looks like I went with the popular choices, but I swear I had those people in mind before the thread opened. Guess the rest of you had similar ideas.

This post also gives me bad vibes, seems overly worried with how others will view your votes.

Kinda, but it's more like a vague annoyance at seeing that my picks were not as cool or original as I thought

Oh nutella, has Type 4 in their core Enneagram. Yay!!

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Regarding the rest of the Luna case:

I think it is based on her lack of hunting, and her excuses for her lack of hunting, yes? I could see that coming from town or scum Luna. Please summarize the case, if I have misunderstood it.

It's not just scumhunting, it's how much she seems to care about the crew aspect of the game in comparison.

It's such an easy thing for mafia to latch on and coast with it's not even funny.

Yeah, I still don't want you lynched.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

The best leaders are the ones who don't want it.

Also, if this train of thought is true, I would probably be a good leader at work in real life.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Also, the problem is when the game is slow. I'll just have several posts in a row where it is just me talking, which Idk if everyone wants to read through all that.

[DharmaHelper]

I see Luna's fairly popular. On the one hand I'd love her as a Captain but I would also love to have her on my crew.

^posts like this one still make me unsure of my captain. Where he talks about two things but doesn't give a clear statement about where he is actually at.

The clear statement there is that I like Luna as a player.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The best leaders are the ones who don't want it.

Also, if this train of thought is true, I would probably be a good leader at work in real life.

I've heard this saying before and I'm just repeating because it sounds cool. I'm not sure how much it's true, if at all.

Not sure if there's a prevailing theory for this, either. I've had an MBA class about people management recently that seemed to believe that people aren't necessarily fit ot nonfit to be leaders, they just become leaders depending on the necessity.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok guys so I'm going out for hours today which means I will absent for the EoD.

That said, I may check the game on my phone and change my vote depending on how the poll is, and I will probably do that without posting anything at the time, so don't be surprised when that happens. Thanks.

[speedchuck]

Mmph. I'm not liking the limited poll.

[Lunalee]

Regarding the rest of the Luna case:

I think it is based on her lack of hunting, and her excuses for her lack of hunting, yes? I could see that coming from town or scum Luna. Please summarize the case, if I have misunderstood it.

It's not just scumhunting, it's how much she seems to care about the crew aspect of the game in comparison.

It's such an easy thing for mafia to latch on and coast with it's not even funny.

Do I seriously look like I care about my crew? I only hired 3, we failed our mission, and I have now fired you and found no one willing to be a replacement. I've pretty much given up on that aspect of the game right now.

[DharmaHelper]

If Luna's crew mutiny against her I'll hire her. Problem solved.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine [mention]Lunalee[/mention]

I still don't want DDL lynched, but I also found this post troubling.

I see no way that Golden isn't town in this game.*

Be careful, that is a dangerous path to take.

So why is MacDougall and DrWilgy voting to lynch him? Not a good look for either of them.

Agree with this though.

*disclaimer: I am an ignorant townie, I may make mistakes.

So why the need for the disclaimer?

She says this below:

I see no way that Golden isn't town in this game. So why is MacDougall and DrWilgy voting to lynch him? Not a good look for either of them.

Then this post where she votes for mac.

I'm going to [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine for now.

She makes another post and then makes her disclaimer post.

It's also as if you knew Mac would flip town. I'm kind of wondering what the votes exactly looked like at that moment. Cause if the votes were in favor of Mac dying then, the disclaimer would be an attempt to save skin.

[Glorfindel]

I’ve got a wonderful guy for a Captain. Awesome teamies. Why on earth would I want to jump ship from the Bonnie Mae?

[Lunalee]

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine @Lunalee

I still don't want DDL lynched, but I also found this post troubling.

I see no way that Golden isn't town in this game.*

Be careful, that is a dangerous path to take.

So why is MacDougall and DrWilgy voting to lynch him? Not a good look for either of them.

Agree with this though.

*disclaimer: I am an ignorant townie, I may make mistakes.

So why the need for the disclaimer?

She says this below:

I see no way that Golden isn't town in this game. So why is MacDougall and DrWilgy voting to lynch him? Not a good look for either of them.

Then this post where she votes for mac.

I'm going to [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine for now.

She makes another post and then makes her disclaimer post.

It's also as if you knew Mac would flip town. I'm kind of wondering what the votes exactly looked like at that moment. Cause if the votes were in favor of Mac dying then, the disclaimer would be an attempt to save skin.

The disclaimer was an attempt to save skin. There is always a chance someone I think is scum will flip town. When that happens, I know the target shifts to whoever started the train, or was active in it. I really hope you guys realize that my intentions were pure, and we don't end up with another townie lynch today. Because if you lynch me I WILL flip town.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Do I seriously look like I care about my crew? I only hired 3, we failed our mission, and I have now fired you and found no one willing to be a replacement. I've pretty much given up on that aspect of the game right now.

Do you not mesh well with your crew? Or just complications with other stuff in your life making you feel a little bit stressed out right now?

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

The disclaimer was an attempt to save skin. There is always a chance someone I think is scum will flip town. When that happens, I know the target shifts to whoever started the train, or was active in it. I really hope you guys realize that my intentions were pure, and we don't end up with another townie lynch today. Because if you lynch me I WILL flip town.

So let's say for one instance I take these words at face value, who would you be willing to lynch whose name isn't DDL?

[Lunalee]

Do I seriously look like I care about my crew? I only hired 3, we failed our mission, and I have now fired you and found no one willing to be a replacement. I've pretty much given up on that aspect of the game right now.

Do you not mesh well with your crew? Or just complications with other stuff in your life making you feel a little bit stressed out right now?

Sorry if I came across harshly, that was not my intent. My crew was great, I just don't feel like the best leader for them.

[Golden]

Sorry, I’ve had to phone it in this phase (figuratively and literally). I ended up being very busy, not at home for most of the weekend, as some stuff happened. I’m both exhausted and I have to get some work done, so my chances of catching up during the phase are zero. I’m going to start by saying I think there’s very little chance I’ll be voting for DDL, I engaged with him a lot on day zero and one and came away with a good view of him. But there’s a decent chance I won’t vote at all, which I hate but it’s just my reality in these couple of days. Apologies to host and players. I should have time to catch up during the night phase and hopefully hit the ground running on Th next day.

[Golden]

Based on day one, I’d prefer a TH or wilgy vote to what’s on the table. Just putting that on the record. I didn’t get much of a chance to engage with Luna yet, but if she’s bad I bet I’ll gets read on it soon enough. Perhaps more persuasive is speedchuck voting with her not against her. If there was a CFD I’d look in those two directions.

[DharmaHelper]

Me: Dang maybe I need to rethink this DDL suspicion, not a lot of pushback on it might mean mafia are content to let his head roll.

Mafia Gods:

Sorry, I’ve had to phone it in this phase (figuratively and literally). I ended up being very busy, not at home for most of the weekend, as some stuff happened. I’m both exhausted and I have to get some work done, so my chances of catching up during the phase are zero. I’m going to start by saying I think there’s very little chance I’ll be voting for DDL, I engaged with him a lot on day zero and one and came away with a good view of him. But there’s a decent chance I won’t vote at all, which I hate but it’s just my reality in these couple of days. Apologies to host and players. I should have time to catch up during the night phase and hopefully hit the ground running on Th next day.

[Golden]

Me: Dang maybe I need to rethink this DDL suspicion, not a lot of pushback on it might mean mafia are content to let his head roll.

Mafia Gods:

Sorry, I’ve had to phone it in this phase (figuratively and literally). I ended up being very busy, not at home for most of the weekend, as some stuff happened. I’m both exhausted and I have to get some work done, so my chances of catching up during the phase are zero. I’m going to start by saying I think there’s very little chance I’ll be voting for DDL, I engaged with him a lot on day zero and one and came away with a good view of him. But there’s a decent chance I won’t vote at all, which I hate but it’s just my reality in these couple of days. Apologies to host and players. I should have time to catch up during the night phase and hopefully hit the ground running on Th next day.

Lol. If DDL is bad I’d suggest this post could be a bus job to frame me. It’s bad.

If there’s new evidence today I haven’t read it. I already posted stuff on day one about why I don’t think he’s bad, this isn’t new. And I sure as hell aren’t suddenly turning up to defend a teammate away from death when I’m bad. That’s just a stupid thing to do. I’d bus away.

[DharmaHelper]

Me: Dang maybe I need to rethink this DDL suspicion, not a lot of pushback on it might mean mafia are content to let his head roll.

Mafia Gods:

Sorry, I’ve had to phone it in this phase (figuratively and literally). I ended up being very busy, not at home for most of the weekend, as some stuff happened. I’m both exhausted and I have to get some work done, so my chances of catching up during the phase are zero. I’m going to start by saying I think there’s very little chance I’ll be voting for DDL, I engaged with him a lot on day zero and one and came away with a good view of him. But there’s a decent chance I won’t vote at all, which I hate but it’s just my reality in these couple of days. Apologies to host and players. I should have time to catch up during the night phase and hopefully hit the ground running on Th next day.

Lol. If DDL is bad I’d suggest this post could be a bus job to frame me. It’s bad.

If there’s new evidence today I haven’t read it. I already posted stuff on day one about why I don’t think he’s bad, this isn’t new. And I sure as hell aren’t suddenly turning up to defend a teammate away from death when I’m bad. That’s just a stupid thing to do. I’d bus away.

"if he's bad I'm being framed"

[Golden]

Me: Dang maybe I need to rethink this DDL suspicion, not a lot of pushback on it might mean mafia are content to let his head roll.

Mafia Gods:

Sorry, I’ve had to phone it in this phase (figuratively and literally). I ended up being very busy, not at home for most of the weekend, as some stuff happened. I’m both exhausted and I have to get some work done, so my chances of catching up during the phase are zero. I’m going to start by saying I think there’s very little chance I’ll be voting for DDL, I engaged with him a lot on day zero and one and came away with a good view of him. But there’s a decent chance I won’t vote at all, which I hate but it’s just my reality in these couple of days. Apologies to host and players. I should have time to catch up during the night phase and hopefully hit the ground running on Th next day.

Lol. If DDL is bad I’d suggest this post could be a bus job to frame me. It’s bad.

If there’s new evidence today I haven’t read it. I already posted stuff on day one about why I don’t think he’s bad, this isn’t new. And I sure as hell aren’t suddenly turning up to defend a teammate away from death when I’m bad. That’s just a stupid thing to do. I’d bus away.

"if he's bad I'm being framed"

Exactly.

[Golden]

You just essentially said ‘I considered not voting DDL until golden posted’. That’s the biggest bullshit radar ping I’ve had all game. It’s like a deus ex machina, ‘oh lucky me, something swooped in and justified my story’.

In thinking it through, I still don’t think DDL is bad. I just think you’re looking for an excuse to be on a wagon you don’t believe in.

[nutella]

You just essentially said ‘I considered not voting DDL until golden posted’. That’s the biggest bullshit radar ping I’ve had all game. It’s like a deus ex machina, ‘oh lucky me, something swooped in and justified my story’.

In thinking it through, I still don’t think DDL is bad. I just think you’re looking for an excuse to be on a wagon you don’t believe in.

MMMMMMMM Spicy hot take

[DharmaHelper]

You just essentially said ‘I considered not voting DDL until golden posted’. That’s the biggest bullshit radar ping I’ve had all game. It’s like a deus ex machina, ‘oh lucky me, something swooped in and justified my story’.

In thinking it through, I still don’t think DDL is bad. I just think you’re looking for an excuse to be on a wagon you don’t believe in.

Ya boi spent 2 Days bitchin about a wagon he didn't believe in woooooooooooooooo

[Golden]

You just essentially said ‘I considered not voting DDL until golden posted’. That’s the biggest bullshit radar ping I’ve had all game. It’s like a deus ex machina, ‘oh lucky me, something swooped in and justified my story’.

In thinking it through, I still don’t think DDL is bad. I just think you’re looking for an excuse to be on a wagon you don’t believe in.

Ya boi spent 2 Days bitchin about a wagon he didn't believe in woooooooooooooooo

Well, I’m not going to be reading back today, but there’s nothing that smells more of bullshit than ‘you townread my suspect, therefore you are hisbaddie teamnate’. The logical fallacy approval board just paid you out a bonus.

[DharmaHelper]

You just essentially said ‘I considered not voting DDL until golden posted’. That’s the biggest bullshit radar ping I’ve had all game. It’s like a deus ex machina, ‘oh lucky me, something swooped in and justified my story’.

In thinking it through, I still don’t think DDL is bad. I just think you’re looking for an excuse to be on a wagon you don’t believe in.

Ya boi spent 2 Days bitchin about a wagon he didn't believe in woooooooooooooooo

Well, I’m not going to be reading back today, but there’s nothing that smells more of bullshit than ‘you townread my suspect, therefore you are hisbaddie teamnate’. The logical fallacy approval board just paid you out a bonus.

Caliente

[Golden]

Wow Luna ejected DDL? I strongly dislike this.

Speed, I see you are voting DDL. Do you have any objection to me offering him a berth on our ship?

I don’t get it. DDL spent pretty much all of day one defending other people and talking people down. He’s had some extremely pro-town posts. Is there a case somewhere?

[Turnip Head]

Golden I like DDL too. I was about to drop sig like a baby orca for him