Mafia: A World Asunder - GAME THREAD [Day 13]

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have a weird meta reason to think Speed isn’t bad. I’ve gotten him lynched or tried to several games in a row. Like 4 games in a row. We shared a square. I’ve expressed suspicion of him. Yet here I stand.

With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo or Sig.

Sprityo May have killed Nutella. With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

You just said "Tranq is obviously scum" then you vote Sprityo who "may" have killed someone.
Since when is "may" a stronger statement than "obviously"? How does this make sense?

I'm changing my vote to Jack.

Because I trust my info more than my gut.

Oh? So you’re saying I was within the kill radius of Nutella when she died? Is that what you’re implying? Gee golly how could you know that info?

Did you miss Sloonei calling you out for this yesterday?

Sprityo and Tranq both like “Let’s shoot the messenger.”

This messenger’s got a bigger gun, though.

[sprityo]

Depending on a number of things, the actual killer might be confined to Sprityo, Speedchuck, Sig.

Are you sure you can count on that number of things?

Also aren't there two people who attacked DH?

Call me 85% sure of the things.

Yeah and they appear to be aligned so they probably didn’t both nightkill DH. Regardless, I put the second scum player almost certainly in the larger group.

Better to lynch from a 1 or 2 out of 2 person POE than a 2 out of 6 POE.

I'm leaning more towards sig on this one from what I have seen. I think sig targeted dh

I thought you thought sprityo was framing you with the old woman information?

Actually Sabie said she thinks I’m telling the truth, it’s just I’m wrong

I think I’m right, as any king of fuck mountain should be

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’ve beaten kings before.

[sprityo]

Depending on a number of things, the actual killer might be confined to Sprityo, Speedchuck, Sig.

God I wish it were me, but my role doesn’t have a kill, let alone a way to track down DH and murder his incorporeal body

On top of that I already guaranteed DH that if I was Mafia I would kill him night one, before the game even started

Maybe you were too far away.

I have a weird meta reason to think Speed isn’t bad. I’ve gotten him lynched or tried to several games in a row. Like 4 games in a row. We shared a square. I’ve expressed suspicion of him. Yet here I stand.

With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo or Sig.

Sprityo May have killed Nutella. With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

May is a good month, but not my favorite

Why would I kill Nutella. And why would you think I kill Nutella?

Let me explain how a mafia works...

Cause Sloonei said it was a possibility.

He did? Where? I missed this apparently

[Tranq]

Tranq, I still have trouble believing you found something called the "Mirror of Truth" that told you "Wilgy may be bad." That's like the most pointless thing ever.

I already said "may be bad" isn't the exact wording.

What is the exact wording then?

I'm not allowed to share but you get the gist of it.

[speedchuck]

Ooh hey I'm caught up. Thoughts that hit me on the way:

Juliets was probably killed by mafia/indie because most suspicion against her was dead. I like the alternating kills idea, maybe it does make TH more likely to be a real flip. Not certain, but more likely.

S~V~S is town, 95% sure.

Apparently Jack has info on who might have tried to bump DH? Dunno why he'd go for Sprityo over Sig in that case.

[speedchuck]

Tranq, I still have trouble believing you found something called the "Mirror of Truth" that told you "Wilgy may be bad." That's like the most pointless thing ever.

I already said "may be bad" isn't the exact wording.

What is the exact wording then?

I'm not allowed to share but you get the gist of it.

Can't speak for them but I don't feel like I have the gist of it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I literally just went over that. I don’t recall a single post from Sig all game. If there’s reason to suspect him, spit it out.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also Speed, wth man?

[Lunalee]

The fact that juliets had the gentle Sheppard role and was also mafia makes me think that either roles and alignments were both randomized, or she was killed by the trickster, who is still alive and trying to mess with us. I realize for that to be true, the team with the trickster would have killed twice in a row. In a previous game I've played with two scum teams, if one scum team kills a member of the other team, they get to kill the next night as well. So it is possible.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Alignments aren’t random and that wasn’t a mafia kill either. DH was the mafia target.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You can be nice and still evil. I’ve known some mean folks who were town.

[sprityo]

I literally just went over that. I don’t recall a single post from Sig all game. If there’s reason to suspect him, spit it out.

He just made like 20 yesterday?

[sprityo]

You can be nice and still evil. I’ve known some mean folks who were town.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

[speedchuck]

Also Speed, wth man?

What?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I literally just went over that. I don’t recall a single post from Sig all game. If there’s reason to suspect him, spit it out.

He just made like 20 yesterday?

Try again, kindling.

[sprityo]

Well jack if I wanted to reply to that, I would’ve said something now wouldn’t I?

You’re saying there’s a reason to suspect me over sig, simply because sig has been backlones more.

And the reason is whatever Sloonei said?

[speedchuck]

I literally just went over that. I don’t recall a single post from Sig all game. If there’s reason to suspect him, spit it out.

Do you remember all of the "Yuck"s yesterday? Those were directed at Sig.
And I feel like not recalling anything from Sig despite his 63 posts is also a reason to suspect him.
But there's always reason to suspect Sig.

More importantly, what reason is there to suspect Sprit?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I literally just went over that. I don’t recall a single post from Sig all game. If there’s reason to suspect him, spit it out.

Do you remember all of the "Yuck"s yesterday? Those were directed at Sig.
And I feel like not recalling anything from Sig despite his 63 posts is also a reason to suspect him.
But there's always reason to suspect Sig.

More importantly, what reason is there to suspect Sprit?

It’s like I’m talking to myself.

[speedchuck]

I literally just went over that. I don’t recall a single post from Sig all game. If there’s reason to suspect him, spit it out.

Do you remember all of the "Yuck"s yesterday? Those were directed at Sig.
And I feel like not recalling anything from Sig despite his 63 posts is also a reason to suspect him.
But there's always reason to suspect Sig.

More importantly, what reason is there to suspect Sprit?

It’s like I’m talking to myself.

I likewise feel like I'm missing half the conversation somewhere.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Next person to ask me why I suspect Sprityo over Sig is getting daykilled.

[speedchuck]

Next person to ask me why I suspect Sprityo over Sig is getting daykilled.

Let me rephrase: Is there a reason other than him being a potential nutella-killer?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Next person to ask me why I suspect Sprityo over Sig is getting daykilled.

Let me rephrase: Is there a reason other than him being a potential nutella-killer?

He is a potential DH killer, too.

[speedchuck]

Next person to ask me why I suspect Sprityo over Sig is getting daykilled.

Let me rephrase: Is there a reason other than him being a potential nutella-killer?

He is a potential DH killer, too.

That's a given in the context of the question, but sure. Just mechanical stuff then.

[sprityo]

Jack him no likey me

Oof, that’s rough buddy

[Sloonei]

The host post implies two scum tried to kill DH. Like maybe a block and kill or a kill and doc the hitman.

If this is true, I have reason to believe 2 of these players tried to kill DH last night: sprityo, timmer, nova, colonialbob, speedchuck, sig.

DH survived because of his role.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The host post implies two scum tried to kill DH. Like maybe a block and kill or a kill and doc the hitman.

If this is true, I have reason to believe 2 of these players tried to kill DH last night: sprityo, timmer, nova, colonialbob, speedchuck, sig.

DH survived because of his role.

Yeah. And?

[DharmaHelper]

God was like "DH is winning too many games time to reign him in"

[Sloonei]

The host post implies two scum tried to kill DH. Like maybe a block and kill or a kill and doc the hitman.

If this is true, I have reason to believe 2 of these players tried to kill DH last night: sprityo, timmer, nova, colonialbob, speedchuck, sig.

DH survived because of his role.

Yeah. And?

So there doesn’t need to have been two people targeting him, unless I’m misunderstanding you.

[DharmaHelper]

The host post implies two scum tried to kill DH. Like maybe a block and kill or a kill and doc the hitman.

If this is true, I have reason to believe 2 of these players tried to kill DH last night: sprityo, timmer, nova, colonialbob, speedchuck, sig.

DH survived because of his role.

Yeah. And?

So there doesn’t need to have been two people targeting him, unless I’m misunderstanding you.

He's saying two people tried to kill me, not one tried to kill and one tried to block/protect/w/e

[Jackofhearts2005]

The host post implies two scum tried to kill DH. Like maybe a block and kill or a kill and doc the hitman.

If this is true, I have reason to believe 2 of these players tried to kill DH last night: sprityo, timmer, nova, colonialbob, speedchuck, sig.

DH survived because of his role.

Yeah. And?

So there doesn’t need to have been two people targeting him, unless I’m misunderstanding you.

In the host post there are two shadowy baddies like “let’s kill the statue.” So I’m assuming one is the killer and the other is something else but still bad and still in the area. Maybe targeted DH with something bad as well. Maybe targeted the killer with a good thing.

But no doc so no worries about putting the doc by listing people around.

[DharmaHelper]

Of course much like Sloonei's 5 person claim, this could also mean that Jack was in range at the time to kill me soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Hey Jack remember that time I dunked on you in Hogwwarts


Sure would make a guy nervous huh

Nervous enough to kill me on sight I bet.

[Sloonei]

I have a weird meta reason to think Speed isn’t bad. I’ve gotten him lynched or tried to several games in a row. Like 4 games in a row. We shared a square. I’ve expressed suspicion of him. Yet here I stand.

With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo or Sig.

Sprityo May have killed Nutella. With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

You just said "Tranq is obviously scum" then you vote Sprityo who "may" have killed someone.
Since when is "may" a stronger statement than "obviously"? How does this make sense?

I'm changing my vote to Jack.

Because I trust my info more than my gut.

Your infodump says "1 out of these 3 killed nutella". You used your gut to eliminate speedchuck. Then it's between Sprityo and Sig and you pick the one with the least amount of suspicion to vote for? Why Sprityo over Sig? What if your info is wrong?

My info is on who tried to kill DH. Sprityo is also on Sloonei’s tried to kill Nutella list. Two chances on Sprityo. Only one on Sig. is there a reason to be suspicious of Sig outside of this?

Idk. What do we do if your info is wrong. My info isn’t stopped by anything I see on the front page. Not Hollowman. Not Trickster.

Sprityo is not a member of the Sloonei 5. They are: Quin, G-man, DDL, Kyle, Luna.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I know it’s tradition to pay no attention at all to host posts save flips.....

Linki: I didn’t try to kill you, you doof.

[Sloonei]

My info isn’t stopped by anything I see on the front page. Not Hollowman. Not Trickster.

What about the 11 roles with *secrets* ?
What about certain squares that may mess with the info?
What about certain items that may mess with the info?

What about mirrors that be like

I took a sip of tea just as I was reading this post and have never been closer to doing a spit take in my life.

[DharmaHelper]

Being outted has given me the perfect excuse to jump back into Red Dead Online tonight so thats good.

[DharmaHelper]

I know it’s tradition to pay no attention at all to host posts save flips.....

Linki: I didn’t try to kill you, you doof.

That's exactly what a guy who tried to kill me would say.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Spoiler: show

I have a weird meta reason to think Speed isn’t bad. I’ve gotten him lynched or tried to several games in a row. Like 4 games in a row. We shared a square. I’ve expressed suspicion of him. Yet here I stand.

With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo or Sig.

Sprityo May have killed Nutella. With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

You just said "Tranq is obviously scum" then you vote Sprityo who "may" have killed someone.
Since when is "may" a stronger statement than "obviously"? How does this make sense?

I'm changing my vote to Jack.

Because I trust my info more than my gut.

Your infodump says "1 out of these 3 killed nutella". You used your gut to eliminate speedchuck. Then it's between Sprityo and Sig and you pick the one with the least amount of suspicion to vote for? Why Sprityo over Sig? What if your info is wrong?

My info is on who tried to kill DH. Sprityo is also on Sloonei’s tried to kill Nutella list. Two chances on Sprityo. Only one on Sig. is there a reason to be suspicious of Sig outside of this?

Idk. What do we do if your info is wrong. My info isn’t stopped by anything I see on the front page. Not Hollowman. Not Trickster.

Sprityo is not a member of the Sloonei 5. They are: Quin, G-man, DDL, Kyle, Luna.

Maybe it was Sig.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I know it’s tradition to pay no attention at all to host posts save flips.....

Linki: I didn’t try to kill you, you doof.

That's exactly what a guy who tried to kill me would say.

At least I now know why you’re so damn unhelpful.

[Jackofhearts2005]

What if Kyle and his bad are scum together?

[Jackofhearts2005]

*dad

[sprityo]

Jack you dolt, I thought it was actually something Sloonei said (which I swear he hadn’t) and it was just you misplacing my name the whole time?

Linki: his bad dad

[Sloonei]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] reason to suspect sig

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack you dolt, I thought it was actually something Sloonei said (which I swear he hadn’t) and it was just you misplacing my name the whole time?

Linki: his bad dad

All anime characters look the same to me. That’s why I got you mixed up with DDL and Kyle.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]colonialbob[/mention]

How do you respond to Sloonei accusing you of being a killer yesterday?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]sabie12[/mention]

You were seen with a jagged blade by [mention]sprityo[/mention], right?

Has anyone considered you may have shared a square with a goon? Who have you been with?

[sabie12]

@sabie12

You were seen with a jagged blade by @sprityo, right?

Has anyone considered you may have shared a square with a goon? Who have you been with?

This is what I've been trying to say the whole time that there was a baddie either in the same square or next to me. This is why I think spirit is interpreting the info incorrectly. I recieved some info on some peoples map locations so based on that I have some people I suspect both of that and of targeting DH. I dont know that I can directly say I shared a square with whoever because that may be bordering on rules violations which is why I haven't directly shared that information. As I said the "info dumping" thing is new to me and confuses me a little on how much info is allowed to be shared.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So I checked Bob's ISO and the post he gave me shit for was about SVS, not juliets, so never mind. He doesn't have any read of juliets whatsoever, actually, so could be a teammate of hers. But I bet that applies for like 15 other people.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

As for SVS, this is the progression of her juliets-related posts:

Also why were people trying to lynch someone who had no votes at the time she clearly said she would not be here at EOD (on day one no less), for her normal meta of asking alot of questions and trying to reason out both sides of a story? This is Juliets IRL meta as well as her game meta. What was that all about?

I feel like I really like this juliets case people have put forth because I tinfoil on that every game. She always feels very passive and aimless.

The problem is that she is usually town. Does she feel more passive here than normal? Kyle says he does but I haven't felt it myself.

What do you like about it? Your second line seems to be saying maybe you don't like it. Please be specific.

It's like I've always wanted to lynch juliets for being passive and the time has finally come.

But rationally this doesn't make sense to me.

You want to lynch someone for being passive in general, not becasue of anything she has specifically done in this game?

Am I interpreting you correctly?

You said you like the case, what about the case (other than Juliets passivity) did you like? What points did you like enough that you felt strongly enough about to say you liked the case?

Does anyone recall any games, recent or past, in which juliets was bad?

If it helps, here are are HOF stats:

juliets
15 Wins
11 as a civ
1 as a baddie
3 as an indy

I think if she was bad, I think I would see it. I don't recall the game, she or Tranq might, but I think it must have been an LC/BR game since she was our bad teammate and that's mostly all Tranq plays, and she was a nervous wreck, and it showed in the thread.

I am not seeing it, but I am not infallible.

So of you choose to make a case that she can rebut, I will be happy to hear it, and consider it. But that whole last minute thing where she had taken no votes or suspish up to that point, and clearly stated she would be absent at EOD, reeks of opportunism to me. THAT is what feels bad about all of this.

I am looking at the people who supported both the Wolbre and Juliet lynches (and I want to do violence to Wolbre, although I don't know him~ for self voting. Grrr but also lol).

Lunas content has modified my stance on her at this time, but her tone still pings me, perhaps I just need to see more of her.

Linki w/kyle, I did read the post, several times. It was better than most people did And I think before you want to lynch someone on day one for shitty content, your own content should be better. That still sounds to me like someone trying to justify a vote for him.

And that map critique he did, that reminded me of aapje, and that made me nostalgic for the ape

@DDL, so you cannot tell me what you liked about the case you said you liked except for, "Juliets is nice and passive, and baddies (generically,not specifically her) have been known to hide behind that?

As you said, given the map, kill choices are going to be limited and to an extent, random or luck based. I'm personally not going to hold stock in trying to find out why a kill was made, but I'm not gonna stop other people from doing that.

ok, thanks for clarifying that. I felt like you were trying to say I was suspect for doing some "it is known" baddie tell of some kind for saying I found her kill to be an odd choice. The way you worded that was like it was an "aha!" kind of thing.

On night one, yeah, most kills are fairly random, but later in the game I find discussion of why a person was killed can have value.

linki, so Juliets is damed if she does, damned if she doesn't? She was basicvally told to produce an opinion post, she does so, and now it's "player salad"?

We are all damned if we do, damned if we don't, that's why this game is so hard to solve.

That is not true and it is misleading to say it is. What is true is that yesterday you said you wanted to lynch her for being passive, so she IS damned if she does and damned if she doesn't with YOU.

My previous comment on how SVS gave me shit for juliets was related to the second quote, and the ones after it. I had missed the 1st quote.

The fact the 1st quote exists make SVS looks somewhat better in my eyes, because it's one thing to directly defend juliets like she did in that quote, but it's another to start it by trying to throw shade at the people attacking her. The later is more shady, while the former is something a teammate might avoid doing. So SVS is back to the neutral pile, maybe leaning civ a bit.

Also I strongly disagree with the idea that the "passive" tell on juliets was wrong. It worked. If anything, I'll remember that for future games, because we now know what baddie juliets looks like. She avoids making direct reads on people and instead only asks questions or sheeps on others' opinions, and only provides reads when called to do it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

“You may not discuss in-thread who you have had BTSC with, or discuss openly or in detail what was said in BTSC.”

Yeah I guess you can’t state that? Idk.