World Flags Mafia GAME OVER - TOWN WINS

[novaselinenever]

Nutella is bad. Has this been discussed?

Off and on, from what I've seen. Feel free to turn it on again.

Would that help save your teammate?

[novaselinenever]

Who is it? You can tell me

[Epignosis]

I'm exactly the same guy in live Mafia. I'm so annoying.

I’m way nicer in person.

Me too. I'm one of the most accommodating people you will ever meet.

[nutella]

Nutella is bad.

y

She said "lol" too many times.

[Epignosis]

I'm exactly the same guy in live Mafia. I'm so annoying.

Sounds like it would be the worst episode of Gilmore Girls ever.

[Sloonei]

Nutella is bad. Has this been discussed?

Off and on, from what I've seen. Feel free to turn it on again.

Would that help save your teammate?

We are without a clear leader in the poll right now. I want people to talk about any names that intrigue them. You specifically brought up nutella of all the players in the game. Why?

[Epignosis]

@dunya @JaggedJimmyJay I'm here as sub. I'm not going to put more effort than this. Take it or leave it.

I don't like the looks of this. Being a sub is no excuse for low effort.

Would you categorize poutie's effort as "low?"

[novaselinenever]

Why is Epi not talking about any of the current wagons?

[Epignosis]

@dunya @JaggedJimmyJay I'm here as sub. I'm not going to put more effort than this. Take it or leave it.

I don't like the looks of this. Being a sub is no excuse for low effort.

It is an excuse. I was tagged on sign up thread and chose to be sub instead of fully player because I don't have time for this.

Still, you chose to accept this - if you didn't have the time, you shouldn't've subbed in.

I don't have the time. I signed up anyway. What does that have to do with poutie's alignment? There are plenty of people not doing diddley (as of this post).

[Sloonei]

If there's a player who's not receiving enough attention, who is it?

I cased Lunalee earlier. Responses to that varied. Go take a look. Otherwise I need to take my own look.

This does not look like the same Lunalee who was just mislynched in IASIP. She seems much more nonchalant this time around, which isn't much of a tell in itself. I could see it being a response to a scum rolecard, but I don't need to see it that way. This post raises my eyebrows:

I feel like I need to pick a side to break the Pou/Mac tie. Mac looks pretty good, but he's been silent the past few pages where as pou has been actively defending herself. Regardless of alignment, that always makes someone look worse. But I don't think she's scum for it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

There is an expressed sense of obligation to produce a read that doesn't feel natural or necessary. The read itself feels like it sort of stumbles along to an unfinished conclusion ("x always makes someone look worse, but not this time.")

I'd be more inclined to lynch Luna than Quin or Mac. #saveaustralia

[MacDougall]

I have a few moments to make some posts. I consider Lunalee my number one civ read despite the fact that she is voting for me. I wouldn't lynch her.

I see I am still leading the vote count. Get in the bin.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Given that this all feels so uninspired, I am brought to wonder if we need to considerably overhaul the general hunting mindset. These mafia members can authentically hunt, and as such there's a greater capacity than usual for active mafia members. Indeed some of the things we typically view as being signals of civilianhood aren't as applicable here. I'm not entirely sure right now what to do with this right now; it's just something I am thinking about.

[Epignosis]

also I think pout is town

Agreed.

[MacDougall]

Given that this all feels so uninspired, I am brought to wonder if we need to considerably overhaul the general hunting mindset. These mafia members can authentically hunt, and as such there's a greater capacity than usual for active mafia members. Indeed some of the things we typically view as being signals of civilianhood aren't as applicable here. I'm not entirely sure right now what to do with this right now; it's just something I am thinking about.

I already gave you all the antidote.

Find the people who are bumping other players off good cases in skewiff fashion and you will find your Mafia.

Sabie12's engagement with Dunya is the perfect example.

[novaselinenever]

Nutella is bad. Has this been discussed?

Off and on, from what I've seen. Feel free to turn it on again.

Would that help save your teammate?

We are without a clear leader in the poll right now. I want people to talk about any names that intrigue them. You specifically brought up nutella of all the players in the game. Why?

Hmm I've been catching up isoing players that pinged me during the tid bits of live interactions I've caught throughout the day. Her reason for suspecting you were pretty weak, she was branding you "nervous" a few hours into the day phase and without much votes on you. I don't think she believes scum!sloonei would be nervous. What pinged me earlier was her apparent problems with Pou's wagon and the state of the "pathetic" lynch poll. It reads disingenuous, and she didn't seem to be making any effort to "not lynch Pou" or Mac. There's been other similar instance throughout the phase like her questioning Dunya's voters. She's basically just narrating the direction that takes the lynch poll without doing anything about it. She's safe in everything she does. Her read of Jack is fake. She's fake.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Long Con has given us 9 posts now. Do something with them.

Is the Tinker's Toolbox already given?

Just voting from work without good reason because voting is better than not voting? I'm going for Quin alongside two totally untrustworthy guys, just for the fun of it.

The game-relevant direction of those posts is visible above. He cares about Tinker's Toolbox, and he made a vote just for the fun of it. Neither of those things does anything for me. Long Con goes to the naughty list.

[MacDougall]

Quin and DDL are both right up there in terms of my preferred lynch candidates btw.

[MacDougall]

I'm gonna change my vote from Quin to DDL because I like the list of people on it better than the other two Quin voters.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sabie12's engagement with Dunya is the perfect example.

While I go look for that, can you be clear on what you think sabie or dunya (dunno which) was doing that is a problem?

[MacDougall]

Now I must work. If I get lynched a pox upon all of you.

[novaselinenever]

Is Jay always this preoccupied by how to hunt in a multiball setup?

[MacDougall]

Sabie12's engagement with Dunya is the perfect example.

While I go look for that, can you be clear on what you think sabie or dunya (dunno which) was doing that is a problem?

Dunya was casing nutella and Sabie attempted to defend nutella in a really soft and nervous way and then tried to change the subject immediately. It's one of my more recent posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Frankly I could lynch Long Con for that. Who comes into this game at 1.5k posts and is, before anything else, concerned with Tinker's Toolbox?

[MacDougall]

EBWOP: That's very common for Nutella. She's almost as blendy as I am, she's just more verbose about it.

maybe that was nutella of a different era, but nutella today has strong opinions. like very strong. stronger than that cuban coffee strong. she's wishy washy as hell, but still opinionated.

I was going to disagree with you, but then you said how she is wishy washy and I would agree there. I'm thinking of last game she was quick to change her vote depending on what other people were saying. I am also wishy washy at times though so I can't fault anyone for that.

Also is there one of those lists where we can ISO players? I play on my phone so I don't have an easy way to do that.

I don't like this post. It's like she's trying to disagree with dunya but come across like she's discerning and not just being agreeable. It's a soft defence of nutella too. I am not sure why she would be trying to disarm dunya at this stage of the game.

how was she trying to disarm my post? i didn't get that sort of reaction reading it.

It wouldn't be effective if it was obvious. By stating that she was going to disagree she is affirming that she went into the conversation with a predisposition to nutella = civ. She didn't want to butt heads with you directly so she gave you some indication that she understood your point before explaining that to her being wishy washy isn't actually a bad thing. Then she pivoted into a completely different point so as to not draw attention to the prior point which indicates she was afraid of making it. It's weird and I don't like it.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] like this.

[MacDougall]

Is Jay always this preoccupied by how to hunt in a multiball setup?

I can't answer this but I am a civ and hunting right in a multiball setup is at the forefront of my mind as well. The odds of the civs winning a full game, multiball setup with current civ form is very low so finding the right strategy and tactics is a very civilian thing to be doing.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine bc at least he already has a vote and so does ddl bit I'm less decided on ddl

are you up to speed with sloonei's latest contributions?

Yes, as I said I had mixed feelings about his exchange with pou but he's still a net negative. His three isos in a row overnight felt a bit like forcing himself to look town/like he's hunting and just showing some busy work.

ooh, you know I sort of thought the same thing when I saw those random ISOs.

"sort of thought" is a pretty timid way to frame this accusation. Care to expand on your sort of read of me, Luna?

I'm twenty pages behind, so I'm voting Poutanko because ties are fun.

Now I'll start trying to actually catch up.

I feel like DF could have given the reason, "Because I'm scum and couldn't care less who gets lynched," and it would read the same way.

Light shade of DF. I don't hate this, but it lacks a definitive stance. [mention]Lunalee[/mention] GTH read on DF, go.

Would it be terrible for me to vote ts account on Day 1 in the first game I've ever played with them? Because I'm really tempted. Looking through their posts just gave me a bad feeling.
1. they immediately started forming a "trust circle"
2. this post:

So relateable. Hit me with your suspicions.

dunya, sloonei, nutella all seem vaguely scummy but I'm missing a lot of context

I noted dunya calling out specifically nutella about their read on jack of hearts when I'm not sure if nutella/jack of hearts has any specific relevance to dunya (or whether it should)

3. followed by this vote:

[VOTE: leetic] aubergine

Calling out people as good or scummy with no real reasons looks like something mafia would do.

Spoiler: show

Let us review Lunalee's recent entrace in IASIP (in which she was town):

I think I'll try Jay's "find the town instead of the scum" strategy this game. I think it will be easier for me.

Why is this strategy acceptable for Jay and Luna, but not ts account?

She has since plopped an unexplained vote on DDL and nothing else. I'd like it if Luna came here and explained some things. Are Lunachuck bad again? (congrats again on the big news tho. really happy for you two. scum.)

[nutella]

Frankly I could lynch Long Con for that. Who comes into this game at 1.5k posts and is, before anything else, concerned with Tinker's Toolbox?

He would have seen the pm from sprityo about it and having not read any of the thread it was the one thing he had any awareness of.

[Epignosis]

sabie and leetic look quite civilian to me. ts account is on the right track, but I can't give him the key to the city yet with so few posts. nova looks fine to me; I am hesitant to be too rewarding after his high-effort mafioso play in Community. I do not feel comfortable placing total trust in Epignosis.

Imagine that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think I am interpreting sabie's post the same way you did, Mac. It looks like sabie was going to disagree with this:

nutella has strong opinions. like, very strong.

But she came around with this:

nutella is wishy-washy.

Is sabie saying something about nutella's alignment here, or about her general personality as a player?

[MacDougall]

I don't think I am interpreting sabie's post the same way you did, Mac. It looks like sabie was going to disagree with this:

nutella has strong opinions. like, very strong.

But she came around with this:

nutella is wishy-washy.

Is sabie saying something about nutella's alignment here, or about her general personality as a player?

Yeah you are right I misread it.

[MacDougall]

The underlying point remains though. If you can find examples of people doing what I thought she was it's a scum peek on day 1 in this build imo.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Frankly I could lynch Long Con for that. Who comes into this game at 1.5k posts and is, before anything else, concerned with Tinker's Toolbox?

He would have seen the pm from sprityo about it and having not read any of the thread it was the one thing he had any awareness of.

True.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not interested in lynching Mac.

[MacDougall]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] [mention]Sloonei[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention] and anybody else who gives a shit...

If you can find evidence where:

A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense

I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention], why was it a problem for ts account to be forming a "trust circle"?

[Sloonei]

Is Jay always this preoccupied by how to hunt in a multiball setup?

I think the uneasiness he expressed a few moments ago is a good reflection on him. I think it speaks more to a dissatisfaction with the state of this thread right now than an overwhelming preoccupation with the setup.

Also, could you highlight a few specific posts that concern you about nutella? The things you said seem to make sense, but it's not easy to judge without examples. please and thanks

[MacDougall]

Mafia can hunt Mafia genuinely so looking for non genuine scum hunting actually makes zero sense. If you are focused on anything to do with that right now then dig up.

[novaselinenever]

@JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei @nutella and anybody else who gives a shit...

If you can find evidence where:

A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense

I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.

Nutella is guilty of two counts.

[MacDougall]

@JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei @nutella and anybody else who gives a shit...

If you can find evidence where:

A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense

I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.

Nutella is guilty of two counts.

[citation needed]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Epignosis[/mention]

@ me in your response if you want instead of quoting this tag. You're doing catch-up busy work right now with a lynch deadline in a half hour. Where are you at right now (in the context of the game)?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention], can you just quickly talk about your confidence in Lunalee as a civilian?

[Epignosis]

Doing 1900 other things right now in addition to this. "Catching up" is not busywork. It is how I process things. Please leave me alone to do that.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall, can you just quickly talk about your confidence in Lunalee as a civilian?

When I did my intro post analysis skim I initially gave each player a civ, null or scum peek. I gave Luna a "civ as fuck" peek and she was the only one that I did that for. I think took the mafia reads out and ordered them into a list based on hunch.

Her first few posts just seemed really clean to me. Upon revisit they are more null but at the time I was doing analysis I felt a bit more "in the zone" than I do right now.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei @nutella and anybody else who gives a shit...

If you can find evidence where:

A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense

I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.

Luna defending Dunya from me.

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall, can you just quickly talk about your confidence in Lunalee as a civilian?

When I did my intro post analysis skim I initially gave each player a civ, null or scum peek. I gave Luna a "civ as fuck" peek and she was the only one that I did that for. I then took the mafia reads out and ordered them into a list based on hunch.

Her first few posts just seemed really clean to me. Upon revisit they are more null but at the time I was doing analysis I felt a bit more "in the zone" than I do right now.

fixed

[JaggedJimmyJay]

jay's iso of luna

none of that makes me swayed to lynch her. all of that seems like "typical town luna" to me tbh. she defends me constantly as civ and it's unsurprising anymore lol.

What is not typical town Luna?

saying things that sound very hard to wrap your head around. i know it's a stretch, but she plays fast and loose as town. this falls into my suspicion of leetic who is displaying complete opposite tendencies to me.

this feels like the mislynch waiting to happen from ancient greece all over again. i think she's sincere so far and while a lot has left me feeling confused, nothing has dramatically wanted me to lynch her today.

jay's iso of luna

none of that makes me swayed to lynch her. all of that seems like "typical town luna" to me tbh. she defends me constantly as civ and it's unsurprising anymore lol.

What is not typical town Luna?

I'll help you out a bit:
quieter thread presence
waits until late EOD to decide who to vote
"forced" reads that are reluctant to change

even this post oozes sincerity and i'm wearing my "look at it from a mafioso's tone" glasses!

dunya was also pretty supportive of Lunalee. I don't really understand why despite her explanations, but I am sticking this here while dunya isn't around to speak for herself. Maybe someone else will be moved.

[MacDougall]

@JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei @nutella and anybody else who gives a shit...

If you can find evidence where:

A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense

I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.

Luna defending Dunya from me.

[citation needed]

[MacDougall]

So wait, Luna defended Dunya in a meh way and Dunya defended Luna in a meh way?

[MacDougall]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] plz find what you're referring to

[Epignosis]

why would he have to force himself to hunt? it seems to me sloonei had one foot out of the game because it's a 72 day 1 and he's heavily involved in another ongoing game. it reached a point here where he agreed with people's suspicions and he had to make more of an effort. he makes that effort, and people are calling it "forced". classic example of man can't win.

Agreed.