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Me too. I'm one of the most accommodating people you will ever meet.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:25 amI’m way nicer in person.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:15 am I'm exactly the same guy in live Mafia. I'm so annoying.
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Sounds like it would be the worst episode of Gilmore Girls ever.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:15 am I'm exactly the same guy in live Mafia. I'm so annoying.
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
We are without a clear leader in the poll right now. I want people to talk about any names that intrigue them. You specifically brought up nutella of all the players in the game. Why?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:38 pmWould that help save your teammate?
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Would you categorize poutie's effort as "low?"
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Why is Epi not talking about any of the current wagons?
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I don't have the time. I signed up anyway. What does that have to do with poutie's alignment? There are plenty of people not doing diddley (as of this post).leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:31 amStill, you chose to accept this - if you didn't have the time, you shouldn't've subbed in.
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This does not look like the same Lunalee who was just mislynched in IASIP. She seems much more nonchalant this time around, which isn't much of a tell in itself. I could see it being a response to a scum rolecard, but I don't need to see it that way. This post raises my eyebrows:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:30 pmI cased Lunalee earlier. Responses to that varied. Go take a look. Otherwise I need to take my own look.
There is an expressed sense of obligation to produce a read that doesn't feel natural or necessary. The read itself feels like it sort of stumbles along to an unfinished conclusion ("x always makes someone look worse, but not this time.")Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:18 am I feel like I need to pick a side to break the Pou/Mac tie. Mac looks pretty good, but he's been silent the past few pages where as pou has been actively defending herself. Regardless of alignment, that always makes someone look worse. But I don't think she's scum for it.
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
I have a few moments to make some posts. I consider Lunalee my number one civ read despite the fact that she is voting for me. I wouldn't lynch her.
I see I am still leading the vote count. Get in the bin.
I see I am still leading the vote count. Get in the bin.
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Given that this all feels so uninspired, I am brought to wonder if we need to considerably overhaul the general hunting mindset. These mafia members can authentically hunt, and as such there's a greater capacity than usual for active mafia members. Indeed some of the things we typically view as being signals of civilianhood aren't as applicable here. I'm not entirely sure right now what to do with this right now; it's just something I am thinking about.
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
I already gave you all the antidote.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:50 pm Given that this all feels so uninspired, I am brought to wonder if we need to considerably overhaul the general hunting mindset. These mafia members can authentically hunt, and as such there's a greater capacity than usual for active mafia members. Indeed some of the things we typically view as being signals of civilianhood aren't as applicable here. I'm not entirely sure right now what to do with this right now; it's just something I am thinking about.
Find the people who are bumping other players off good cases in skewiff fashion and you will find your Mafia.
Sabie12's engagement with Dunya is the perfect example.
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Hmm I've been catching up isoing players that pinged me during the tid bits of live interactions I've caught throughout the day. Her reason for suspecting you were pretty weak, she was branding you "nervous" a few hours into the day phase and without much votes on you. I don't think she believes scum!sloonei would be nervous. What pinged me earlier was her apparent problems with Pou's wagon and the state of the "pathetic" lynch poll. It reads disingenuous, and she didn't seem to be making any effort to "not lynch Pou" or Mac. There's been other similar instance throughout the phase like her questioning Dunya's voters. She's basically just narrating the direction that takes the lynch poll without doing anything about it. She's safe in everything she does. Her read of Jack is fake. She's fake.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:41 pmWe are without a clear leader in the poll right now. I want people to talk about any names that intrigue them. You specifically brought up nutella of all the players in the game. Why?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:38 pmWould that help save your teammate?
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
Long Con has given us 9 posts now. Do something with them.
The game-relevant direction of those posts is visible above. He cares about Tinker's Toolbox, and he made a vote just for the fun of it. Neither of those things does anything for me. Long Con goes to the naughty list.
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Quin and DDL are both right up there in terms of my preferred lynch candidates btw.
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I'm gonna change my vote from Quin to DDL because I like the list of people on it better than the other two Quin voters.
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While I go look for that, can you be clear on what you think sabie or dunya (dunno which) was doing that is a problem?
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Now I must work. If I get lynched a pox upon all of you.
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Is Jay always this preoccupied by how to hunt in a multiball setup?
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
Dunya was casing nutella and Sabie attempted to defend nutella in a really soft and nervous way and then tried to change the subject immediately. It's one of my more recent posts.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:57 pmWhile I go look for that, can you be clear on what you think sabie or dunya (dunno which) was doing that is a problem?
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Frankly I could lynch Long Con for that. Who comes into this game at 1.5k posts and is, before anything else, concerned with Tinker's Toolbox?
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[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] like this.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:13 pmIt wouldn't be effective if it was obvious. By stating that she was going to disagree she is affirming that she went into the conversation with a predisposition to nutella = civ. She didn't want to butt heads with you directly so she gave you some indication that she understood your point before explaining that to her being wishy washy isn't actually a bad thing. Then she pivoted into a completely different point so as to not draw attention to the prior point which indicates she was afraid of making it. It's weird and I don't like it.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:09 pmhow was she trying to disarm my post? i didn't get that sort of reaction reading it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:02 pmI don't like this post. It's like she's trying to disagree with dunya but come across like she's discerning and not just being agreeable. It's a soft defence of nutella too. I am not sure why she would be trying to disarm dunya at this stage of the game.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:58 pmI was going to disagree with you, but then you said how she is wishy washy and I would agree there. I'm thinking of last game she was quick to change her vote depending on what other people were saying. I am also wishy washy at times though so I can't fault anyone for that.
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
I can't answer this but I am a civ and hunting right in a multiball setup is at the forefront of my mind as well. The odds of the civs winning a full game, multiball setup with current civ form is very low so finding the right strategy and tactics is a very civilian thing to be doing.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:58 pm Is Jay always this preoccupied by how to hunt in a multiball setup?
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"sort of thought" is a pretty timid way to frame this accusation. Care to expand on your sort of read of me, Luna?Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:55 pmooh, you know I sort of thought the same thing when I saw those random ISOs.
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:18 pm Would it be terrible for me to vote ts account on Day 1 in the first game I've ever played with them? Because I'm really tempted. Looking through their posts just gave me a bad feeling.
1. they immediately started forming a "trust circle"
2. this post:3. followed by this vote:ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:18 pmdunya, sloonei, nutella all seem vaguely scummy but I'm missing a lot of context
I noted dunya calling out specifically nutella about their read on jack of hearts when I'm not sure if nutella/jack of hearts has any specific relevance to dunya (or whether it should)Calling out people as good or scummy with no real reasons looks like something mafia would do.
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Why is this strategy acceptable for Jay and Luna, but not ts account?
She has since plopped an unexplained vote on DDL and nothing else. I'd like it if Luna came here and explained some things. Are Lunachuck bad again? (congrats again on the big news tho. really happy for you two. scum.)
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
He would have seen the pm from sprityo about it and having not read any of the thread it was the one thing he had any awareness of.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:58 pm Frankly I could lynch Long Con for that. Who comes into this game at 1.5k posts and is, before anything else, concerned with Tinker's Toolbox?
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Imagine that.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:04 pm sabie and leetic look quite civilian to me. ts account is on the right track, but I can't give him the key to the city yet with so few posts. nova looks fine to me; I am hesitant to be too rewarding after his high-effort mafioso play in Community. I do not feel comfortable placing total trust in Epignosis.
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I don't think I am interpreting sabie's post the same way you did, Mac. It looks like sabie was going to disagree with this:
nutella has strong opinions. like, very strong.
But she came around with this:
nutella is wishy-washy.
Is sabie saying something about nutella's alignment here, or about her general personality as a player?
nutella has strong opinions. like, very strong.
But she came around with this:
nutella is wishy-washy.
Is sabie saying something about nutella's alignment here, or about her general personality as a player?
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Yeah you are right I misread it.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:02 pm I don't think I am interpreting sabie's post the same way you did, Mac. It looks like sabie was going to disagree with this:
nutella has strong opinions. like, very strong.
But she came around with this:
nutella is wishy-washy.
Is sabie saying something about nutella's alignment here, or about her general personality as a player?
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
The underlying point remains though. If you can find examples of people doing what I thought she was it's a scum peek on day 1 in this build imo.
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True.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:02 pmHe would have seen the pm from sprityo about it and having not read any of the thread it was the one thing he had any awareness of.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:58 pm Frankly I could lynch Long Con for that. Who comes into this game at 1.5k posts and is, before anything else, concerned with Tinker's Toolbox?
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I'm not interested in lynching Mac.
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[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] [mention]Sloonei[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention] and anybody else who gives a shit...
If you can find evidence where:
A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense
I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.
If you can find evidence where:
A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense
I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.
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[mention]Lunalee[/mention], why was it a problem for ts account to be forming a "trust circle"?
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I think the uneasiness he expressed a few moments ago is a good reflection on him. I think it speaks more to a dissatisfaction with the state of this thread right now than an overwhelming preoccupation with the setup.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:58 pm Is Jay always this preoccupied by how to hunt in a multiball setup?
Also, could you highlight a few specific posts that concern you about nutella? The things you said seem to make sense, but it's not easy to judge without examples. please and thanks
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Mafia can hunt Mafia genuinely so looking for non genuine scum hunting actually makes zero sense. If you are focused on anything to do with that right now then dig up.
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Nutella is guilty of two counts.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:05 pm @JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei @nutella and anybody else who gives a shit...
If you can find evidence where:
A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense
I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.
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[citation needed]novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:09 pmNutella is guilty of two counts.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:05 pm @JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei @nutella and anybody else who gives a shit...
If you can find evidence where:
A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense
I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.
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@ me in your response if you want instead of quoting this tag. You're doing catch-up busy work right now with a lynch deadline in a half hour. Where are you at right now (in the context of the game)?
@ me in your response if you want instead of quoting this tag. You're doing catch-up busy work right now with a lynch deadline in a half hour. Where are you at right now (in the context of the game)?
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[mention]MacDougall[/mention], can you just quickly talk about your confidence in Lunalee as a civilian?
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Doing 1900 other things right now in addition to this. "Catching up" is not busywork. It is how I process things. Please leave me alone to do that.
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When I did my intro post analysis skim I initially gave each player a civ, null or scum peek. I gave Luna a "civ as fuck" peek and she was the only one that I did that for. I think took the mafia reads out and ordered them into a list based on hunch.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:10 pm @MacDougall, can you just quickly talk about your confidence in Lunalee as a civilian?
Her first few posts just seemed really clean to me. Upon revisit they are more null but at the time I was doing analysis I felt a bit more "in the zone" than I do right now.
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Luna defending Dunya from me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:05 pm @JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei @nutella and anybody else who gives a shit...
If you can find evidence where:
A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense
I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.
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fixedMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:13 pmWhen I did my intro post analysis skim I initially gave each player a civ, null or scum peek. I gave Luna a "civ as fuck" peek and she was the only one that I did that for. I then took the mafia reads out and ordered them into a list based on hunch.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:10 pm @MacDougall, can you just quickly talk about your confidence in Lunalee as a civilian?
Her first few posts just seemed really clean to me. Upon revisit they are more null but at the time I was doing analysis I felt a bit more "in the zone" than I do right now.
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:07 pmsaying things that sound very hard to wrap your head around. i know it's a stretch, but she plays fast and loose as town. this falls into my suspicion of leetic who is displaying complete opposite tendencies to me.
this feels like the mislynch waiting to happen from ancient greece all over again. i think she's sincere so far and while a lot has left me feeling confused, nothing has dramatically wanted me to lynch her today.
dunya was also pretty supportive of Lunalee. I don't really understand why despite her explanations, but I am sticking this here while dunya isn't around to speak for herself. Maybe someone else will be moved.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:10 pmeven this post oozes sincerity and i'm wearing my "look at it from a mafioso's tone" glasses!Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:08 pmI'll help you out a bit:
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waits until late EOD to decide who to vote
"forced" reads that are reluctant to change
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
[citation needed]Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:13 pmLuna defending Dunya from me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:05 pm @JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei @nutella and anybody else who gives a shit...
If you can find evidence where:
A player is pressuring another player
Another player comes along and defends the accused
That defense doesn't sit right with you or make a whole lot of sense
I believe you will find Mafia who have done this during this phase. Potentially even mafia defending mafia.
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
So wait, Luna defended Dunya in a meh way and Dunya defended Luna in a meh way?
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Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] plz find what you're referring to
Re: World Flags Mafia [Day1] UNheard of Accusations
Agreed.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:58 pm why would he have to force himself to hunt? it seems to me sloonei had one foot out of the game because it's a 72 day 1 and he's heavily involved in another ongoing game. it reached a point here where he agreed with people's suspicions and he had to make more of an effort. he makes that effort, and people are calling it "forced". classic example of man can't win.
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