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[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll finally explain why I have entertained nova and nutella as mafia teammates:

Their handling of each other has been weird in both directions. nova's suspicion of her has been a constant drone over the thread, and the reasons why have always been rather sparse. His read has not developed on that front, and I don't get the impression he has tried much to see a civilian in her. Conversely, nutella has largely ignored him apart from points when she has been accused of ignoring him. It doesn't strike me as especially natural either way.

[novaselinenever]

Lunalee
nutella ----------------> Long Con / DFaraday
sabie12
Sloonei

FTFY

[novaselinenever]

I'll finally explain why I have entertained nova and nutella as mafia teammates:

Their handling of each other has been weird in both directions. nova's suspicion of her has been a constant drone over the thread, and the reasons why have always been rather sparse. His read has not developed on that front, and I don't get the impression he has tried much to see a civilian in her. Conversely, nutella has largely ignored him apart from points when she has been accused of ignoring him. It doesn't strike me as especially natural either way.

I have. I couldn't find it

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Who's the last one with nutella?

[sprityo]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] I updated to front page

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JaggedJimmyJay I updated to front page

[MacDougall]

I'll finally explain why I have entertained nova and nutella as mafia teammates:

Their handling of each other has been weird in both directions. nova's suspicion of her has been a constant drone over the thread, and the reasons why have always been rather sparse. His read has not developed on that front, and I don't get the impression he has tried much to see a civilian in her. Conversely, nutella has largely ignored him apart from points when she has been accused of ignoring him. It doesn't strike me as especially natural either way.

There have been times I've felt the same. I find it hard to fathom why a Mafia nutella wouldn't bat away hid suspicion with aplomb.

[novaselinenever]

Who's the last one with nutella?

Luna or Sloonei. I'm not really leaning towards the DF/LC.

[nutella]

The world where Mac is not a civilian:

He didn't give me the orb and someone else did. He correctly guessed that someone would give me one and took a shot at it. The true santa in such a world would then have to be a living counterclaim or ts account.

iiiiinteresting. that he guessed is possible but feels unlikely at this point, would be a bold claim. well so much for the mac case then. My money's on Luna and either Nova or Sloonei then.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I believe it is most likely that ts account gave me my second vest. It was never claimed.

[DFaraday]

The world where Mac is not a civilian:

He didn't give me the orb and someone else did. He correctly guessed that someone would give me one and took a shot at it. The true santa in such a world would then have to be a living counterclaim or ts account.

iiiiinteresting. that he guessed is possible but feels unlikely at this point, would be a bold claim. well so much for the mac case then. My money's on Luna and either Nova or Sloonei then.

Okay, I’m reverting to my usual stance, everything about this post feels crazy disingenuous to me, especially after she was so quick to call Jay’s case on Mac “really compelling.” I’m feeling like we’re looking at a Nutella/Luna team and Nutella is trying to distance without going too hard.

[novaselinenever]

I like you DF

[MacDougall]

The world where Mac is not a civilian:

He didn't give me the orb and someone else did. He correctly guessed that someone would give me one and took a shot at it. The true santa in such a world would then have to be a living counterclaim or ts account.

iiiiinteresting. that he guessed is possible but feels unlikely at this point, would be a bold claim. well so much for the mac case then. My money's on Luna and either Nova or Sloonei then.

Okay, I’m reverting to my usual stance, everything about this post feels crazy disingenuous to me, especially after she was so quick to call Jay’s case on Mac “really compelling.” I’m feeling like we’re looking at a Nutella/Luna team and Nutella is trying to distance without going too hard.

[MacDougall]

I reckon Nutella and Sloonei

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My interactive looks suggested to me that nutella and Sloonei are an unlikely team. nutella and Luna was possible though. It demands deeper investigation and discussion. I may not have time to provide the former before they kill me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nah, who am I kidding? I am JaggedJimmyJay.

[novaselinenever]

Lol.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei and nutella Day 1 stuff

Spoiler: show

I'm liking both epi and nova so far

Hobane'ng?

grunk

That's not an answer in any of the languages I speak.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

grunk on that!

nutella said “grunk” when I asked her to explain her town reads in epi and nova. It wasn’t the response I was looking for.

I returned my vote to nutella

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine bc at least he already has a vote and so does ddl bit I'm less decided on ddl

are you up to speed with sloonei's latest contributions?

Yes, as I said I had mixed feelings about his exchange with pou but he's still a net negative. His three isos in a row overnight felt a bit like forcing himself to look town/like he's hunting and just showing some busy work.

Sloonei - @ forced

I should have known.

@nutella what about my ISOs were “forced” and why is that bad? What moments in the exchange with poutanko mixed up your feelings?

It has come to my attention that we have ~6 hours remaining in the day and are nowhere near a concensus or even a loose agreement about top suspects as far as I can tell. I propose we commence with Getting Our Shirt Together.

Who are the most popular suspects? What’s a name or two that we feel is floating under the radar?

Like 20 new posts in the time it took me to type this one

Tell me three players you would lynch and a fourth you would maybe lynch.

Talk about your read on me.

Tell me three players you would lynch and a fourth you would maybe lynch.

Talk about your read on me.

I don't know what you want me to say here. I've talked about it plenty. I suspect you. You're making an effort to look more like your town hunty self but I get a forced vibe from that effort since you had been called out on it. I'm not convinced.

I haven’t seen you say many things, but that’s probably because I haven’t read 60% of this thread.

Tell me what a non-forced entry would have looked like.

Maybe actually reacting to discussions in the thread rather than picking a few random people to iso and fabricate reads on?

It was 3 AM. And my decision to ISO poutanko was a response to discussions people had been having. I needed something that wouls give me footing in the thread, and I wasn’t gonna catch up from the beginning. Picking a few names to look at was a much more viable option to me.

Doesn't look teamy to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei was the hardest to put in most teams. The only one that fit clearly for him was Quin. The only other non-green for him was Audrey. I think he's a civilian.

[sprityo]

Locking Thread, sending out PMs

[sprityo]

Pasta Joke Goes Here



Sabie12 has died, she was

Spoiler: show

the Italian Flag and a Santa and aligned with the U.N. (Town)

Day 3 Starts now and ends in 48 Hours

[sprityo]

unlocked now?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

unlocked now?

Yep.

[novaselinenever]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

later sabie!

nutella and Lunalee

I've shoved it all in the spoiler. Review for yourselves.

nutella:

Spoiler: show

Gth read
Luna
Speed

Scum
Scum

Darkhorse mafia read.

Someone tell me why Lunalee is a civilian.

No reason. Good point. I kinda forgot about her tbh but like her other half she's usually bad so maybe different is good. Idk, she's in a similar spot as Quin imo. Need more data or they're default scum.

Okay, I'll consider your perspective. I haven't made a firm decision about Luna by any means.

why would he have to force himself to hunt? it seems to me sloonei had one foot out of the game because it's a 72 day 1 and he's heavily involved in another ongoing game. it reached a point here where he agreed with people's suspicions and he had to make more of an effort. he makes that effort, and people are calling it "forced". classic example of man can't win.

Agreed. Sloon has a ticket to coast. None of the suspicion here did anything to move the needle for me. Like yeah, I’m pretty bottom at reading Sloonei but still. It wasn’t forced.

Who’s saying my posts were forced?

Me and Luna.

[VOTE: ddl] aubergine bc Mac looks to be in danger again and ddl is my most lynchable preferred target. Luna is meh, if y'all think the case is strong enough do what makes you happy but I'm not at all convinced that she's bad for thinking dunya is town.

@nutella why DDL over Lunalee?

Less genuine vibes from ddl. I'm more and more okay with a Luna lynch though.

Is there incentive for a granny to counterclaim jack?

No, I don't think it would be wise for the granny to claim. Which makes me doubt Jack's claim. If someone claims to be granny, it would make scum hesitant to visit them lest they die. If granny does not claim but instead antagonizes the thread, "fishing" to be visited by scum, they then might get a kill.

still think someone needs to bit the bullet and shoot jack. I just really don't buy his granny claim.

I considered taking jack off, but I don't know if i completely buy his claim.

You considered removing Jack from your POE. Therefore you are not the granny. I had wondered briefly. With that said then, why do you continue to feature Jack as a candidate?

Whatever you perceive the logic to be, nobody else has challenged his claim. Everyone has been around to see it and comment on it short of Audrey. Is she the granny?

Moreover, the reasoning you present can be reversed: if the granny does claim, it prevents civilians from foolishly visiting.

once again your thought process is flawed lol. I also thought luna might be soft-countering jack's claim, but why do you think her merely saying she "considered" removing jack discounts that? couldn't she just say that to further distance herself from it?

idk, just spitballing here, but like if luna actually is the granny there would be motive for her not to overtly counterclaim. I don't have particular reason not to think jack is the granny but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that it's luna just because she said this one thing that she could have been exaggerating for the sake of making you think this lol.

Ooh actually I think Luna might be compatible with speed (heh). Since we got our hours back and work is over I might actually have some time to look into that in a bit.

I'm at the following PoE lol,

Nutella
Quin

If Nutella is bad, that'd put in question one of LC/DF (at most one bad 'cause she had a real gun, possibly both good) . If she's good, someone slipped the crack. That someone would be between Luna and Mac.

I think Luna is highly deserving of stronger scrutiny. Her progression on speed felt funny to me.

Luna does not mention speed in an on-topic fashion for a while. Her first somewhat real acknowledgement of him is indirectly in this exchange about his quindar:

im town i think

Ya think? [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

yea

Genuquin.

...

Nah I'm just kidding I don't know yet. I'll have you sorted by D2.

thanks that'd be very helpful

Jackofhearts2005 want to wait until day 2 to lynch Quin?

Sketchy at best. Speed/Luna/Quin team looks highly plausible.

Nothing else for an eternity. She makes a large poe from which speed is absent.

Then this:

Quin, I have a specific prompt for you as you suggested. Please review sabie12 and let me know what your impressions are.

Decent town lean. She's missing that conversational stream of consciousness that I saw in Community but I don't think she's offering any less without it. The Santa claim seems silly if she's bad since it can't be verified - generally if I'm about to fakeclaim I would bring it up in BTSC beforehand to make sure it's a good idea. I have no issue with her target either. I voted dunya for the toolbox.

@speedchuck give us your take on Quin, please and thanks.

The quindar again. Awkward.

Doesn't like wagons on me and speed mehhhhh fart

another poe without speed

Any other claims or info I'm missing?

What about speedchuck?

did he claim something already?

Nope. I mean that you didn't include him in your POEs. Is that deliberate?

I removed him from the first one because I felt he was town. But you know I'm not really sure. He just seemed town to me from his careless attitude in thread. maybe I should add him back.

current POE:
speedchuck
novaselinenever
Quin
Sloonei

removing DF, because I'm inclined to believe role-claims right now. Adding back speedchuck, because he could be scum, and I have no real reason to trust him.

Finally reluctantly convinced to put speed back in her poe. And soon afterward throws a vote on him right after Jay does

so I'm either voting for nova, Quin, or speedchuck today. Those are the common folks between mine and JJJ's "could be scum" lists.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

sorry dear.

Gross.

The one perspective that gives me pause is whether she would be bold enough to not have him in her poe for so long when he was a fairly popular suspect. It was a rather against the grain opinion to have. But then she and speed are always claiming not to be able to read each other well, and they definitely invoked that in Shockheaded Peter. So I don't put it past her.

Luna and Quin are our commies.

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

well oddly enough I now think luna and quin are compatible as teammates, but at the point that I made that post I was just associating them in my mind as two players with similar levels of not-sticking-out-to-me-as-anything-yet

I dig it. Do you think Luna is compatible with him? At this point I'd be very surprised if she was town but this is really compelling too

Luna:

Spoiler: show

Has there ever been a game where all of the mafia were the top posters? I don't think so. This is exposure bias. You are forgetting that there are several low-lying players in this game who could easily have scum role cards and have not had occasion to bare themselves in the open yet. The day 1 thread environment so far has funneled attention onto a few select people, making it a piece of cake for others to slide by unscrutinized.

... do I need to point out that I was only joking? Really?

this, i didn't like this.

you do these gut reads every game. you correctly guessed the 2 scum and 1 indie in GG on day 0. why were we to think you were joking this time?

Are you serious?

Breaking news: Mac is being Mac, and the people feel threatened.

who felt threatened and how?

Namely you and nutella both responded negatively to it. Perhaps because you were named in Mac's hypothetical scum team.

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine bc at least he already has a vote and so does ddl bit I'm less decided on ddl

are you up to speed with sloonei's latest contributions?

Yes, as I said I had mixed feelings about his exchange with pou but he's still a net negative. His three isos in a row overnight felt a bit like forcing himself to look town/like he's hunting and just showing some busy work.

ooh, you know I sort of thought the same thing when I saw those random ISOs.

Omg amazing

agreed, nice shot!

nutella, how many guns did you receive?

2

are you told who you receive items from?

No lol of course not

Ok, just wondering. I guess that would make things too easy.

Since no gth, here's a beautiful rainbow

Jackofhearts2005
Sabie
Poutanko
Mac
JJJ
Lunalee
Colin
Sloonei
Audrey
Quin
DFaraday
Speedchuck
Long Con
Nutella

gorgeous
What makes you think nutella and Long Con are ultimate red bad?

I feel like the case on nutella sprung up because she shot leetic. It made people think, "wait town would do that or someone from the other scum team." So nutella is suspected because we can't clear her. Her earlier game hasn't look bad at all though (in my opinion). But she could have been genu-hunting then as either alignment. Ugh.

Jay (who i thought was supposed to be working on a thesis) also made a "beef with nutella" post. It doesn't really make her look worse though (other than maybe the salad thing, but that's debatable). It just sort of looks like nutella.

I would rather lynch someone else today. Nutella looks town-ish.

I don't like the nutella or speedchuck lynch wagons.

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine, I feel like we haven't talked about her enough.

I don't like the nutella or speedchuck lynch wagons.

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine, I feel like we haven't talked about her enough.

She claimed she gave dunya an orb right? It's plausible but sorta convenient, but I'm in no place to doubt seeing as I gave dunya a gun Oh well.

oh right, she did. Which makes me think sabie would probably not lie about that (being sabie and all).

Oh I forgot Colin. I keep forgetting he's even in the game because he has done zilch. He's in the poe.

Colin has been fairly active, and looks town to me.

You could break down the first 5 further I believe 'cause there is a vast difference in the evidence backing them,

Pou
Jack
JJJ

then,

DFaraday
LC

Yep, you could. If nutella should flip mafia then the dynamic is different for DF and LC. If she flips civilian, they're up with the other three.

are you saying nutella needs to die for this game to be solved? :P

Somebody shoot someone.

@nutella still has a gun, right? Were you were hesitant to shoot it because of Epi's role flip? It looks like if he did tamper with an item, it could have been Jay's gun, so your second one might still be safe. But if you're nervous, and the gun will last until tomorrow, maybe @poutanko could float you a vest tonight.

the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that nutella is speed's teammate

There are moments here and there that make me go "eh", but I cannot confidently dissociate them.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My orb said nutella is a civilian.

Dunno if I care with sabotage and all.

[novaselinenever]

Anybody has a gun?

[novaselinenever]

My orb said nutella is a civilian.

Dunno if I care with sabotage and all.

What's the action priority here?

[nutella]

[VOTE: luna] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My orb said nutella is a civilian.

Dunno if I care with sabotage and all.

What's the action priority here?

I received the orb N1, so if I was sabotaged N2 (when I used it), I'd assume it was tainted.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention], where the hell did you go, mate

[nutella]

well the orb gave you a correct result, so I guess you weren't sabotaged

[novaselinenever]

Jay, did you receive a gun? Shoot it. Sabotaged, Nutella is scum. Not sabotaged, Nutella is confirmed.

[novaselinenever]

But let's check the resolution order, and not base it on assumptions.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay, did you receive a gun? Shoot it. Sabotaged, Nutella is scum. Not sabotaged, Nutella is confirmed.

no

[novaselinenever]

[mention]sprityo[/mention] Say you receive an item N1, and use it N2. However, a saboteur targets you N2. Will the items be tainted during that N2 use?

Linki - no gun received? Or not shooting?

[novaselinenever]

[mention]sprityo[/mention] Say you receive an item N1, and use it N2. However, a saboteur targets you N2. Will the items be tainted during that N2 use?

Linki - no gun received? Or not shooting?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

But let's check the resolution order, and not base it on assumptions.

[mention]sprityo[/mention], is this something we are privileged to?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Linki - no gun received? Or not shooting?

No gun

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I received nothing at all. Folks better have used their night actions.

[sabie12]

sigh oh well I enjoyed being in this game

[sprityo]

@sprityo Say you receive an item N1, and use it N2. However, a saboteur targets you N2. Will the items be tainted during that N2 use?

Linki - no gun received? Or not shooting?

yea it effects all items

[sprityo]

But let's check the resolution order, and not base it on assumptions.

sprityo, is this something we are privileged to?

no

[Jackofhearts2005]

Thanks [mention]sabie12[/mention]

[Jackofhearts2005]

1. Novaselinenever - Mauritanian Flag
3. Nutella - Kazakhstan Flag
7. Long Con - Wales Flag
8. Jackofhearts2005 - Chilean Flag
9. Sloonei - Lesotho Flag
10. Lunalee - United States Flag
11. Macdougall - NSW Flag
12. Poutanko* - ??? Flag
13. DFaraday - Macedonian Flag
16. AudreyTheTattletail - QLD Flag
17. ColinisCool - Luxembourg Flag
20. JJJ - Iceland Flag

2 scum in here.

Jack, Pou basically mechanically confirmed. DR, Colin too? Is that about right?

I haven't been paying as much attention after realizing we were basically claiming our way to victory and finding that boring.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It would be pretty funny if I just shot Nutella right now, eh?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jack, Pou basically mechanically confirmed. DR, Colin too? Is that about right?

I haven't been paying as much attention after realizing we were basically claiming our way to victory and finding that boring.

There are still plenty of candidates. I am mostly confirmed, the same for Colin, poutanko, and yourself. DF and LC are confirmed if nutella is a civilian (otherwise they are not). Mac is in a strong mechanical position too.

Luna, nova, Sloonei, nutella, and Audrey seem to be the remainder.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It would be pretty funny if I just shot Nutella right now, eh?

Her alignment would certainly dictate a number of moves following from that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

1. Novaselinenever - Mauritanian Flag
3. Nutella - Kazakhstan Flag
7. Long Con - Wales Flag
8. Jackofhearts2005 - Chilean Flag
9. Sloonei - Lesotho Flag
10. Lunalee - United States Flag
11. Macdougall - NSW Flag
12. Poutanko* - ??? Flag
13. DFaraday - Macedonian Flag
16. AudreyTheTattletail - QLD Flag
17. ColinisCool - Luxembourg Flag
20. JJJ - Iceland Flag

2 scum in here.

Jack, Pou basically mechanically confirmed. DR, Colin too? Is that about right?

I haven't been paying as much attention after realizing we were basically claiming our way to victory and finding that boring.

Mac and DF confirmed. I'll go ahead and confirm Jay for shooting Speed and also getting a sabotaged gun from Speed. Like it's not a mechanical clear but close enough. Sloonei will be denied this.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack, Pou basically mechanically confirmed. DR, Colin too? Is that about right?

I haven't been paying as much attention after realizing we were basically claiming our way to victory and finding that boring.

There are still plenty of candidates. I am mostly confirmed, the same for Colin, poutanko, and yourself. DF and LC are confirmed if nutella is a civilian (otherwise they are not). Mac is in a strong mechanical position too.

Luna, nova, Sloonei, nutella, and Audrey seem to be the remainder.

Isn't DF confirmed anyway? Nutella's gun was real.