MU Season 6 Scrimmage [GAME OVER]

[MacDougall]

I feel quite good about Owner in my waters. There is a sense of doubt and god-fearing in there and it makes me want to trust.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

RDW voted for Dragomir on day 2. He was one of the 5 on Dragomir or not one of the 7 who voted Soneji out. If memory serves, I think he was one of the later ones on Dragomir.

Yesterday, they were both voting for each other. If memory serves, I think Drago and RDW have been consistently voting each other or wanting the other one dead.

I wouldn't like put them on a team together.

You suggested earlier that you were inclined to put RDW in your town circle. Was that merely by dissociation from Dragomir, or because of RDW's own play?

Dissociation from Dragomir and remembering liking his posts day 1/don't remember anything pinging me about him...just wish he would post more or have more presence to him

[MacDougall]

@Owner of a Lonely Heart, please click

I felt there was legitimate potential that Dragmoir and RDW were distancing.

Bingpot?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Are you saying he's more "pushy" than his potential town self or he's doing something else?

I have never played with Dragomir or seen him play, so I have no meta to draw from. I tend to prefer it that way, frankly. I mean that the degree of confidence he has asserted in his reads hasn't aligned with the uncertainty I expect in a civilian brain.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Owner of a Lonely Heart, please click

I felt there was legitimate potential that Dragmoir and RDW were distancing.

Bingpot?

what

[MacDougall]

Is it it a bingo jackpot?

[MacDougall]

Jay watch Brooklyn 99 it'll change your life

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay watch Brooklyn 99 it'll change your life

I've seen the entire series so far.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is it it a bingo jackpot?

No. You go look at it and tell me what you think.

[MacDougall]

Well then why did you ask me what I meant?

Scum!

Linki: K.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Everyone give me your views on the entry of DrWilgy.

[MacDougall]

I'm trying to figure out where Dragomir's head is at but its a blur. He was tunneling on me. Then he decided he didn't care anymore and only about Owner. The he made that horrible "today is a new day" post to explain it. Then he names three people and says he doesn't care who is lynched as long as it's one of the three. Then he ignores Owner's ability post and keeps tunneling on her. Then someone calls him out on that and he goes back to tunneling me.

It's a lot of "don't cares", and very little sign that he is actually trying to look at multiple people and solve the game. He pick a few lucky ones to tunnel and is trying to skate by the game on those tunnels. It doesn't feel town at all.

I agree with all of this

this convo

This one looks like Mafia pointing at two towns talking about a town they're wrong about imo. What goal does rdscum have as Dragoteammate here? The distance cred would be so unlikely to be acquired.

I don't like it for RDW in it's own right.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Why?

someone's got to die today and it looks like he's the man

Not sure, if I would read this one as distancing.

I wish I knew what action Nova performed on night 3 on him.

[MacDougall]

Everyone give me your views on the entry of DrWilgy.

It looked like busywork

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I need to finally go see what the tally was exactly on that RDW vote for Dragomir.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I'm trying to figure out where Dragomir's head is at but its a blur. He was tunneling on me. Then he decided he didn't care anymore and only about Owner. The he made that horrible "today is a new day" post to explain it. Then he names three people and says he doesn't care who is lynched as long as it's one of the three. Then he ignores Owner's ability post and keeps tunneling on her. Then someone calls him out on that and he goes back to tunneling me.

It's a lot of "don't cares", and very little sign that he is actually trying to look at multiple people and solve the game. He pick a few lucky ones to tunnel and is trying to skate by the game on those tunnels. It doesn't feel town at all.

I agree with all of this

this convo

This one looks like Mafia pointing at two towns talking about a town they're wrong about imo. What goal does rdscum have as Dragoteammate here? The distance cred would be so unlikely to be acquired.

I don't like it for RDW in it's own right.

I can see the potential of this fair enough.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

completely avoiding discussing Speedchuck and RDW who were both leading wagons at one point.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart, this is something I'd like to see you address directly.

It looks like I missed this happening entirely. I don't remember these two being lead wagons. I know I did know what to make of them during the trust fall/anti trust fall thing, but I must have either not seen or wasn't paying attention if and when speedy and/or rdw were lead wagons.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Mac, why the no lynch? Or is it just a placeholder?

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

*thinks back* hmm (was speedy pocketing when he was calling me?)

[MacDougall]

I just wanted to see where the votes were

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

[nutella]

I find your vote placement questionable nutella. How can you justify voting speed over dragdocwalk?

He's my top suspect...? Your tiers don't exactly reflect my view but Dragomir is a very close second choice for me so whatever man

[MacDougall]

Actually fuck all that

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

[MacDougall]

I find your vote placement questionable nutella. How can you justify voting speed over dragdocwalk?

He's my top suspect...? Your tiers don't exactly reflect my view but Dragomir is a very close second choice for me so whatever man

He is? Why?

[MacDougall]

[mention]DrWilgy[/mention] when you replace in and start asking lots of questions and then disappear Mac goes something something.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

This was RDW's Day 2 vote for Dragomir. I reviewed all of the [called] votes to this point. Unfortunately I can't know if this is perfect, because not everyone calls their shit.

[2] Soneji - novaselinenever, JJJ
[2] Dragomir - DDL, Luxurious
[1] Luxurious - Owner
[1] Jack - speedchuck
[1] Epignosis - MacDougall

RDW placed his vote then to give Dragomir a 3-2 lead. If the tally is accurate. At the least we can say it was close, and that this wasn't a vote tucked into a flaccid counterwagon. It came just over 7 hours prior to the deadline. I'm not confident enough that this should be called a good indicator of dissociation. It's better than the aforementioned flaccidity would be.

[nutella]

I find your vote placement questionable nutella. How can you justify voting speed over dragdocwalk?

He's my top suspect...? Your tiers don't exactly reflect my view but Dragomir is a very close second choice for me so whatever man

He is? Why?

you could, like, read my posts and find out

[MacDougall]

I find your vote placement questionable nutella. How can you justify voting speed over dragdocwalk?

He's my top suspect...? Your tiers don't exactly reflect my view but Dragomir is a very close second choice for me so whatever man

He is? Why?

you could, like, read my posts and find out

Are you serious?

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I'm rereading/skimming the game from the beginning keeping in mind the dead people's reads and interactions etc.
I'm not sure if I'll get all the way though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am the N2 cop. I checked Jack.

Fun fact I kept alternating between Jack and Epi in the PM until I settled for Jack.

Does this add anything to the conversation and did you allude to this previously?

They just died in the same night so it's a sad irony.

I feel that was an unwise decision. Based on your behavior day 2, why didn't you check dragomir?

I would break out the sirengif for this thing if it wasn't so obnoxious.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

What is the point of D0 if we can't lynch anyone?

Not particularly hiding blood lust well

One thing that concerns me about JJJ's town read of me: he knows I play exactly the same way regardless of alignment

Kind of indirect shade/slight skepticism of JJJ? It could been a potential setup for later.

One thing that concerns me about JJJ's town read of me: he knows I play exactly the same way regardless of alignment

Why concern then

Cuz he has nothing to base his read on.

The way you talked before made it sound like you’d done something??? Does that mean no matter your alignment you dont post well??

I mean, regardless of alignment I shit post. That is my modus operandi. Such that JJJ can't possibly have a town read on me yet, given I would do this regardless of what I am.

Potentially townie skepticism like me being skeptical of Epi's town read on me. (also him reading DDL correctly (mac's check)), I guess that's why Epi died

One thing that concerns me about JJJ's town read of me: he knows I play exactly the same way regardless of alignment

Why concern then

Cuz he has nothing to base his read on.

The way you talked before made it sound like you’d done something??? Does that mean no matter your alignment you dont post well??

I mean, regardless of alignment I shit post. That is my modus operandi. Such that JJJ can't possibly have a town read on me yet, given I would do this regardless of what I am.

So are you trying to say that he's pocketing you?

scum!Dragomir interested in finding ways to potentially push on JJJ. Not sure, if I'd see this directly from a scum partner relationship, but who knows.

*keeps reading, but should sleep soon*

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

It's kind of a joke, but then he still follows it up with an actual vote for it. It's like he kind of does want it to happen, but also kind of doubts it being possible.

I voted for that just now

I see. This kind of just sits there or fills space. But it was kind of weird thinking back on it.

On one hand, yes we will always lose a power role, but truly knowing if our reads are in the right the direction is invaluable information.

Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

Are you being sarcastic?

An interaction with speedy and Dragomir, it seems casual and neutral enough. They aren't going at each other or shading or anything. It just seems like peaceful conversation between the two of them.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

This player doesn't look comfortable

Question: Do you remember why you voted DDL shortly thereafter this post, when it looks like you might have more suspicions on Drago at the time?

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Upon further consideration I think they have some merit, but I want to hear it from other people. Mainly speedchuck

If you think they have merit, what's with the vote?

Speedy deflects DDL's interest about hearing more why the vote for a no lynch

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

I have viewed Ultra's handling of me on Day 1 as being a positive indicator for speedchuck. He essentially had said I had exhibited TMI on speedchuck by way of chainsaw defense regarding the no lynch incident. I've suggested that this was itself TMI on speedchuck.

Epignosis disagreed, and he called for speedchuck's head on Day 2. The alternative view here would be that Ultra sought to tie speed and I together and threw his vote on me. If I die, my civilian flip absolves speed of that case. It's plausible enough.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

One thing that concerns me about JJJ's town read of me: he knows I play exactly the same way regardless of alignment

Why concern then

Cuz he has nothing to base his read on.

The way you talked before made it sound like you’d done something??? Does that mean no matter your alignment you dont post well??

I mean, regardless of alignment I shit post. That is my modus operandi. Such that JJJ can't possibly have a town read on me yet, given I would do this regardless of what I am.

So are you trying to say that he's pocketing you?

What do you think, Dragomir?

*asks Dragomir for his opinion, also in non-threatening way or seems to be asking him neutrally*

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This player doesn't look comfortable

Question: Do you remember why you voted DDL shortly thereafter this post, when it looks like you might have more suspicions on Drago at the time?

DDL stepped in speedchuck's pile of poop (no lynch snare thing), and I felt it warranted a vote in the moment.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

As for the vote, speedchuck is obvscumming.

If he's playing suboptimal to try and garner reactions, well, it's only common courtesy to start a wagon so he gets them.

Sometimes, scum can be very critical of each other. But I'm not sure, I would promote this kind of statement on day 1, if said person was my partner. hmmm

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Every time that post resurfaces I think of Wendy's

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Every time that post resurfaces I think of Wendy's

I see it too.

*puts music on*

Spoiler: show

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

That moment when I realize Jack is a male...

So for everyone who asks, I was (as assumed by some) trolling for reactions. I'll be moving my vote, but hey, started some discussion.

This still felt awkward as ever; it's filler, as if something needed to be said.

DDL's knee-jerk reaction didn't look great, as someone who knows me. Ultra doesn't look bad for the reaction, though he/she seems a little focused on Nova for some reason when I look at the ISO.
JJJ reacted exactly as expected.

I'll just let everyone know I'm not going to be as active as you crazy devils. I'm in another game and I wasn't a top poster in that one either.

It's looks like we have a tangible link to Ulta.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

This reeks of chainsaw defense.

Someone suggested earlier that "chainsaw defense" refers to attacking someone attacking a teammate. If that's what the damned term means, then in this instance Ultra is calling speed and I teammates. From this point Ultra's handling of each of us go different directions:

Sounds like JJJ has TMI on speed - implication: JJJ bad, speed good
speed is obvscumming - implication: speed bad
JJJ looks opportunistic - implication: JJJ bad
vote JJJ, defended speed too soon - implication: JJJ bad, speed bad
Leaning towards JJJ knowing speed is town - implication: JJJ bad, speed good
if speed is town, JJJ wolfy - conditional implication: JJJ bad, speed good

If a chainsaw defense is this | this | this, then Ultra's progression on speedchuck is essentially randomized on a per-post basis. Ultra views me as evil incarnate in every post, and speedchuck is Schrödinger's cat.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Basically I voted you reflexively and now I'm trying to save face.

To add to Jack's above thoughts, DDL could have just voted as a disapproval and then moved on. A vote can be just as throwaway as the original line. But he's panicking, doubling down then retreating, trying to sound justified, etc.

I don't feel like I'm the authority on this, as I'm the one who baited the trap and might be biased, and DDL was the first to respond, but he definitely looks worst at first glance.

Why would town want to trap? Or over my years of playing I saw more gambits or traps being playing from the scum alignment. I guess to me this could be interpreted as an agenda statement.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Went over Ultra's ISO. Got a few town pings from it, as he's finding his place. I think he knows Nova, and the only scummy thing I've found is that he's sorta using that as a crutch? Conversing with Nova, biting at him, trying to drag reads from him.

Nova isn't your wall, buddy. Come out here with the rest of us or I'll scumread you for hiding.

Speedy still reading or seeing Ultra as town. [insert comment about link between them being possibly stronger]

Dragomir is also too hesitant. Hesitance is more likely to come from being scum around new people than being town around them.

But what do I know about hesitance. I was a SK my first game here and it was a ball.

Potential slight distance from Dragomir and then tries to take it back?

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Spoiler: show

Stuff like this is why I find rereading day 1 important

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

are games here usually this slow

considering the length of the dayphase, i have concerns

After playing a different cross-community game, this is a breath of fresh air. Gemma isn't afraid to take stances or make posts, not in any way.

casual conversation

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meanwhile nova is doing good work. we can't all be like nova.
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What is the point of D0 if we can't lynch anyone?

Day 0 is a courtesy phase to ensure that everybody has time to receive their role and check in before the start of Day 1.

@Sloonei MP needs an ISO link

Added. People with spaces in their names defy my black magic sorcery.

Can i make a sad request to please stop using yellow i cannot see it on white background

FELLOW WHITE BACKGROUNDER!

more casual fluff

Alright I'm probably being too harsh. But explain to me why No Lynch is a good idea.

Either own the vote or dont vote bro

I liked the vote but the comment afterwards just left a sour taste in my mouth

I want to town read this because I agree with it really hard.

Don't really see an issue with the rest of the content in this ISO. Lots of off-topic stuff but that's cool.

He's kind of wanting to town read lux before it was cool. But the key word might be "wanting". Kind of like Dragomir wanting to scum read me then actually doing so.

Basically I voted you reflexively and now I'm trying to save face.

To add to Jack's above thoughts, DDL could have just voted as a disapproval and then moved on. A vote can be just as throwaway as the original line. But he's panicking, doubling down then retreating, trying to sound justified, etc.

I don't feel like I'm the authority on this, as I'm the one who baited the trap and might be biased, and DDL was the first to respond, but he definitely looks worst at first glance.

What do you think of admission of messing up? That doesn't looking someone trying to sound justified.

True. The quoted post is pretty decent. DDL's going for a hard reset there, not trying to sound justified anymore.

That's the problem. I DID set a trap. Traps can catch town too, and DDL often looks scummy as town.

He brings up the trap thing again. He's not afraid to mention it, so are these "traps" fairly common in his playstyle? But he also acknowledges he can be wrong.

I guess this is another declaration of meta or potentially townie behavior, even if from his eyes DDL doesn't deserve it, as he does look scummy to speedy.

For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

Another playful comment to fill space? Or is speedy this playful in all his games?

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

[VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

but then speedy votes for Ultra...hmm

and leaves for a period of time

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scum do vote for scum too as it feels safe to do so with the potential benefit of getting town cred *I need to think more on this.*

[VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

did you forget that you were townreading that player

No. Because I'm not.

I have some town pings from them, but I mentioned something scummy as well. If it continues, their need to cling to and buddy Nova will easily outweigh any town cred they have.

Ah yes, this is kind of odd. Cause he was saying a bunch town pings about Ultra, but then completely votes him anyways. Nice job seeing that Gemma. And it looks like speedy was totally still there or ate fast...idk which.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

I wish I knew or understood who ultra is saying "defended him far too soon". I guess I wonder if he confused players or something. That's probably stretch...meh...I need to sleep soon...like I probably said an hour ago

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I'll be sleeping then working then I'll try to be back in here.

[MacDougall]

Okay all that stuff makes speedchuck look bad

[DrWilgy]

I'm the 2nd JoaT and since tsaiah missed n1 and 2 I only had one action n3, used the doc shot on ddl.

Why DDL?

@Owner of a Lonely Heart who did you target night 1?

How did you know I had an ability to target night 1?

I did track lux, as has been said. She jailkept JJJ.

I mean that Mac has claimed a green peek on DDL. How does this influence your perspective?

I remember skimming something about Mac or DDL claiming something. But I couldn't find the exact post/wording whenever it occurred. I guess if not DDL maybe Dr. Wilgy; it just felt odd for him to ask who I targeted day 1 when there wasn't a guarantee that I had an ability to do so on day 1. It feels like tmi. He could have read about it already, but why would he feel the need to ask me about it. It kind of felt like he might have already known the answer. Potentially something in a QT I guess, was my first thought.

@DrWilgy, you are summoned to answer.

Because I'm watcher and can vouch for owner targeting lux n1. Figured I should ask questions about it before we massclaim in effort to catch up (hence me asking for more time on that, but noooooo).

This still leaves my remaining question. Owner what did you do n3?