Arrowverse Mafia - Day 8

[Funnygurl555]

hey guys, is it normally within nutella's meta to react more than interact in thread? she said so but i need that meta corroborated.

[Sloonei]

hey guys, is it normally within nutella's meta to react more than interact in thread? she said so but i need that meta corroborated.

I don't know how to answer this without telling you how to read her in this game. But she gave some links to recent games she was town in here:

Also hey nutella can you link me a town game of yours from here?

I feel like people play differently around people you know vs. people you dont as town

Steely Dan, Vault Hunt, and Shockheaded Peter (most recent but smaller games)
Hogwarts and Firefly (a little less recent but closer to this in size)

[Funnygurl555]

man i already have to read nearly 60 pages for the game i don't think this is something i can do

thanks though

[Sloonei]

man i already have to read nearly 60 pages for the game i don't think this is something i can do

thanks though

No you don'! #downwithketchup

[Sloonei]

*don't. I can't even type a three word sentence now.

[Funnygurl555]

[mention]Dragomir[/mention] what's up i'm black too

i don't feel entitled to using the n-word in any variation though because my parents and older sisters were born in africa. my roots ain't here (the states) man

[Funnygurl555]

i also should mention that a black person saying nigga isn't a slur nor derogatory. perhaps it came off that way 'cause we didn't know what dragomir looked like.

not game related info but i felt like i should say

[dunya]

Hi [mention]Funnygurl555[/mention]! Welcome to The Syndicate. Regardless of someone's ethnicity, we have a strict no tolerance rule on all racial slurs to prevent them from being misused. We aren't saying Dragomir was being degratory or his intentions were that of malice, indeed they were not, but these are the rules of this forum and we have to respect that whatever background we come from. The founders of this mafia site wanted to create a place to play mafia that was as much a wholesome community that everyone could feel safe in. As such, we may be stricter on allowed word usage here than any other community and we kind of like that.

I urge anyone who wants to talk about this to do so by sending me a PM so we don't derail the thread any further. Thank you!

[Funnygurl555]

'ight, thanks for clarifying! haven't read the rules yet lol... also still on pg 16 of this game aaaAAA

[MacDougall]

I thought Epi thought Sloonei was mafia... weird

[Funnygurl555]

i'm on page 18 y'all. thoughts (not important really for y'all) to read this spoiler

tl;dr: ultra (ultra) town, dragomir town, macdougall not maf, sloonei null, nutella scum, lux town, dragon slight scum, sable slight scum

Spoiler: show

Question regarding the no claims rule - does that mean if you're the cop/tracker/whatever you can't state your results?

Indeed. No infodumping at all. But there are still ways to use those types of roles.

It's still a handicap though

Going to be rough pulling off a town victory here unless the scum factions completely cannibalize each other

but there's also two different recruiters

so

fek

townie. also all the posts about felicity, but y'all already know that.

I don't suspect Ultra. Bottom line.

I suspect Matahari.

what

observation pg 3: nutella is flying utr but interacting in the thread... later gives town read; not hunting

I've got Ultra and Sloonei as civilians. Anybody else want to join the party?

I don't feel good about how easy you are giving Sloonei a townpass.

i agree with this take. sloonei comes off as a good enough player that you shouldn't townread him for his posts so far.

So far I feel ok about speedchuck and ultra. Sloonei, nutella, Epi and MafiaMenace ping me. Sloonei mostly. He doesn't seem sincere but if I am right he'll tie himself in knots eventually so keep posting Sloo Sloo.

important reads to keep in mind for later

Ultra is town.

Sloonei hasn't done enough to warrant trust yeah but so far he is okay. Don't feel like lynching him. He is a bit trickier to read compared to Jay (his mafia twin) because civ Jay tends to be suffocating, while civ Sloonei is a bit more contained in that regard. He leads but he doesn't completely dominate the thread.

Nutella feels good but I want more time to be sure.

Mac feels good but my Macdar is currently in the trash and I'm waiting for the new one to arrive in my mail.

Epi is whatever, he is saying cold hard truths but mafia can do that just fine.

i didn't like dragon's entrance. and then this reads list is him reacting without asking questions, and his biggest contribution so far is talking bout mechanics, which is never a good look (well unless you do it like ultra)

Let's decide whether or not a thing is pingworthy, gang.

@Ultra what does your scum hunting look like? What types of games are you used to playing, mechanics/setup-wise? What kind of pizza did you get earlier?

This is, like, the opposite of what I saw last game.

Also hi guys

What did you see last game?

Ultra has hesitant to interact with the thread, which is why I voted him D1. He spoke mostly to Nova, who was answering whatever was thrown his way. Some weird dependent thing.

This game, Ultra has already made a hot take and claimed that he's going to flex on the thread (not hesitant), and you're buzzing him with questions as if he needs the help. (Where Nova was just whatever about it)

Enough for an early townread on Ultra. Not sure what to think of all your questions yet. Feels kinda like fluff, but it's also something you do with new players.

The highlighted portion feels tacked on and arbitrary. Speedchuck has shared a straightforward read about Ultra when prompted. He then adds a nothing read on Sloonei which acknowledges that he is observing Regular Sloonei Behavior, but quibbles over it anyway. Why does this non-read on Sloonei exist?

Cause he doesn’t know your alignment yet.

jack is actually catching up and interacting at the same time, which i think is good. sliiight town

Nutella’s probably scum for saying only obvious shit but I couldn’t find a pokemon gif that expresses this.

agreed! i like this guy

Here is why Jack is scum

no read yet but i like you too

mechanics talk is useless time to skip... pages

Nutella you are summarising my sus on Epi as "he js giving out town reads" when I clearly said it was because he is giving Sloonei a townpass too easily.

You then took your abridged version and likened the reason I have a ping on him to my own recent Mafia play. Well I never said offering town reads was pingy or a scumtell or any such thing. You appear to be trying to force a scum read of me. Your apprehension is also visible.

If you are trying to force a scum read on me. Why?

macdougall nutella not w/w

oh yeah btw i'm gonna ignore the cult business. they're like indeps to me. that's a later problem

Spoiler: show

Mac: well I'm just being cautious about him bc you know. But actually he did kinda ping me with this post

This game has a good cast. There are invariably going to be some solid and prolific players who have rolled anti town here because of how many anti town roles there are and they will be trying to control the narrative... because they have to.

Concurrently if you are a civ and can give top effort I want some balls to the wall here. We aren't winning this on info. Civ voices need to dominate the thread. I want 150 pages. I want a bloodbath of analysis. I am going to be ruthless if you are phoning it in and I expect better of you. You know who you are.

Perhaps he is one of those players who have rolled anti-town, and that's why it's on his mind.

Also he suspected Epi for giving out town reads which is something town Epi does and actually I believe Mac did the same thing in scrimmage.


Mata has checked in only to laugh off Epi's statement of suspicion of her and to provide some slank cover.


Mafmen is just focused on mechanics and I feel like there were bits of it that seemed like they could have come from a scum perspective

Are you saying Mac was scum reading Epi because of the same thing he’s saying here?

Or is it that Mac was also easily handing out townreads.

Re: MM
What looked like it came from scum?

The first one.


re: mm, I'll have to look back but (a) not being as worried about the cult as ultra was, and (b) miscounting the kpn (could be faked ignorance or could be that his understanding was skewed for some other reason). and (c) just more generally he seems quite focused on the scum team mechanics as a topic (not counting Vig/SK in kpn for instance)

finally a read, but it's a scum read on mac and... me. n a h f a m . they're both wrong.

GTH is the perfect game for a supertown deepwolf type to call for. It makes them look busy and shows them where the juicy mislynches are.

What would be the more civilian thing to do is read the thread and find who is bad and burn them alive for it.

AAAAA YOU'RE SO TOWN

lux nutella not w/w

sloonei nutella not w/w (weaker read)

If Day 1 started right now my vote would be on nutella.

Your suspicions are gravitating around people focusing too much on mechanics and I don’t see you as a driving force in the thread. You’re reacting rather than creating. It feels safe.

They're not. People have made me talk most about my MM suspicion but it is the weakest of the three, and the others are not mechanics-related.

I always react more than create. You know that. I still have original reads to the extent that I normally would at this stage. Your reason is empty. This is a poopybarf read.

ahh. ahhhhh meta. this is meta.

But seriously @Sloonei Mata is my top suspect right now. Her iso is crap.

aeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh what is this what is this

nutella matahari aren't w/w.... wait.

@Dragon D. Luffy I'd like to see more thoughts from you.

this is fine this is good

oh i swear to god
most people currently are unreadable because their posts are nai, so im choosing to work on a strategic standpoint

a, i already said that the legends arent the issue in the earlygame
b, how is this a point?
c, my entire mechanics argument was focused on the fucking sk, so what the fuck are you talking about

MM can you elaborate on the strategic standpoint you are working on? I'm not clear I know what you mean.

linki

looking at how to use prs
but im mostly focused on felicity

sorry, what is prs?

and hi LC!

power roles (anything but citizen)
since this is a role madness game this is probably the wrong word to use

Ok so you are focused on how the civs can deal with the non-civ power roles and how Felicity's pr fits in to that strategy? I know this seems picky but I'm just trying to understand your focus so I can better determine if your actions are civ or not.

Iinki again - don't even have time to get my thoughts straight before there's more to think about

How did you get here with this idea? Like where did he say that he’s focused on how civs can deal with non-civs?

Like i see point a, and c respectively, but what happened to b?

lux is town

Forgot that the felicity player can't just post results

In that case, what we might want to try a coordinated effort to allow the felicity player to "claim indirectly"

Here's what I'm thinking, if all of us come together and decide on D1 that nobody is allowed to cast a vote, except for the felicity player who casts a vote on her peek, we get whoever we want out D1.

This doesn't break the claiming rules as far as I understand, because anybody can still step forth and vote. But if someone else does vote, we'll still know one is felicity and one is scum. So still a net +

This would be angleshooting and would be a violation of rules. And there’s no way to get players to buy in. And it is absolutely not worth the loss of civilian votes on Day 1. This plan would set us way back.

I propose we stick to the gameplan of making noise and hunting scum.

I see nothing wrong with his plan. I don't see how it sets us way back when we literally get a free scum outed D1 for the vig to shoot at the next NP and we'll still use our reads and whatnot to lynch someone else D1. The only problem is I guess angleshooting which I fail to see.

I really ain't liking this post Sloonei. I ain't liking a lot of your posts tbh. Your questions at Ultra are pinging me the wrong. Like scum tryna get a feel for his opponent to know if to be wary of them or not or maybe kill them. I mean if you want to know how he plays as town, just watch him play from D1 forth. His answers won't really tell me you much.

i like this; it's spicy. dragomir slight town

Here is what I envision:

No mechanics talk Day 1. Day 0 had that.

People post their opinion about every single person in the thread. If you have no opinion, make one up.

Nobody tells others how to use their powers at Night. That's secret civilian business shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

i like this.

I'm trying to tell you all:

Get ready for an experience. The Syndicate makes you a hard ass Mafia player who doesn't require "info" to win.

We're the real deal.

*gets excited*

epi dragomir not w/w

it would've been cool to see a gth. we don't got that where i'm from

I don't feign nonchalance my dude, that doesn't even sound possible. I'm just chill

Aight. Let's assume both of us are town for a while. I can do that. I want to do that. A game where nutella is town is infinitely preferable to one where she's not.

You've talked a lot about Matahari but I'm still not sure I'm on board with them (her?) as a primary suspect. Can you explain why I should give priority to that case?

A lot of it is my own gut reaction to the way that she is posting so I can't necessarily convey all of why I am giving it so much weight, but in general she has stayed out of most discussions/been avoidant and only showed her face when her name was brought up. To be fair she is participating a bit more now and she explained more about her approach to analyzing the thread and implied she would have some content/takes on people soonish so I will keep on the lookout for that and see if my feelings on her change.

this isn't a good look my dude/dudette/idk i call everyone dudes

I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.

...that's all you've had to say after so many pages?

That's a 65% serious post btw

I mean, just look at that

I do not see the basis for that specific accusation.

Mac's characteristic lack of restraint in accusing everyone as scum fits with the perspective of an Indi, since he could be on the mark but can afford collateral damage. SK's aggressively hunting early is somewhat of a tell in normal set ups, and I think that would be moreso the case here.

But in addition the "You're mafia, he's mafia", comes off as a mindset slip. Because he's not mafia.

i'm getting that vibe too. idk why people would think of "other teams" like that.

but eh, for now indep could very well be town for me. strategically going for maf first

At this point I'd to apologize to all of the sensible people who decided not to take Day 0 seriously. You shouldn't have this much content to worry about. I am a big dumb idiot.

you are why i'm in pain

alright, time to wrap this portion up

[Funnygurl555]

I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.

Hey sabie. Let's start with the players you know best: what do you think of Epi, nutella, juliets, and me so far?

Well you are doing what you normally do in making long posts getting people talking asking questions etc which has a lot of times been town sloon. I feel like you and nutella have had a back and forth thing in some games before. She's usually kinda back and forth on things so I find her hard to read. Juliets is always so nice so shes hard to read too. Epi appears to be his usual self at the moment.
You left out some other people I usually play with. jack who I feel like is doing his usual town jack stuff at the moment where he posts a lot of random stuff. That time he was bad he was way more calm and reserved it seemed.
I always tend to think mac and speed are bad which is probably unfair of me.
The newer people I think are just kinda trying to work out how we play on this site.
Still dont feel like I have solid reads for sure about people but I'm trying to keep up with everything. This day 0 has been crazy.

do i have to change my vote from nutella? this might be a better target

why am i only targeting women? i feel like i'm going against my own kind.

a lux slip apparently happened that i don't understand. she's already town to me though; i guess that solidifies it.

Matahari, if you want me to quote you, please don't use the mention feature- it messes with my browser. I know you don't know that though. I do read everything and will respond.

Why do you think Nutella is good?

No reason to think she's bad. I'm not persuaded by Sloonei's thing. It looks good, but it isn't convincing.

Is Cooler bad because he would be posting if he was good?

I don't know Cooler from Adam. Why would him posting more make him good? What a strange question to ask.

Is Sloonei good because he is always pushy when town? Is he different when bad?

Sloonei being a civilian has nothing to do with pushiness. Again, this is a strange question.

sorry about your browser!

You have Cooler down as bad in your list. But last I looked, he only had one post. So I’m not sure why you find him bad.

About Sloonei- I thought you said something earlier about his level of play, but I might be thinking of someone else.

No worries- the browser thing only happens if I try to quote your post. It doesn't do anything if I just see it. It's only pain because I can't quote.

Cooler would be my default lynch if I had no opinions about anything else.

this is weak, but it's cool to see. sloonei also had cooler near the bottom of his reads, but not as scum.

nai -> rrrllyy light town points for both

idk if i said this already but dragomir sloonei not w/w

i don't understand sloonei's case on town-reading sable, but i also don't got meta for the gal

i've finally reached cooler's entrance in thread (page 23), but it's 5:21 am right now and i think it's time to stop.

unsure if i'll be done by eod, but for now i'd join a nutella wagon if there is one. i'll have much better reads once i analyze cooler interactions

[Funnygurl555]

oh, dragon started posting too, so perhaps my read on them might change as i get more data.

none of my reads are really set in stone. it's hard to get a handle on you guys, which is a good thing. means that this is a good community to improve in twg

[sabie12]

just in case it wasn't clear I'm dead

[ColinIsCool]

Creature - lean scum, intentionally staying under the radar
Dragon D Luffy - good
DrWilgy - impossible to read
Dragomir - me
Epignosis - obviously town
Jackofhearts2005 - leaning town
Long Con - GTH scum
Luxurious - town
Macdougall - town, possible he did that D1 lynch maneuver for bus cred, but that's tinfoil
MafiaMenace - somebody else, null
nutella - scum, I found myself nodding vigorously any time anybody voiced a suspicion of her
Sloonei - seems more town than not at this point
Spacedaisy - open to lynching per Epi's theory
sprityo - town
Ultra - went back and forth, thought scum throughout, some recent posts seem town

What moments gave you the most vigorous nods on nutella?
Can you go into more detail on Epi and Ultra? Why is LC a GTH bad read?

I’m on mobile now so it’ll have to wait but her behavior in D0 and D1 planted the seed and it stuck through my readthrough. Half of it is a tone thing/gut read.
I have no reason to suspect Epi at this point based on his actions. Ultra I’d have to go back.
LC reminds me tonally/activitywise of games I’ve seen him be bad in, nothing more.

[Funnygurl555]

just in case it wasn't clear I'm dead

oh, sorry about that! i'm not through the game and that wasn't reflected on the first page. thanks for letting me know!

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m liking this Funnygurl so far. She can have a townread.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Okay. Well maybe I’m wrong. Maybe I’m not.

Nutella is a bigger suspect. If the speedsters get eliminated, I won’t have a reason to suspect Epi.

Spoiler: show

if at all possible given the lack of content from those dead, in the world where it's cooler, sabie, and the last mafia

who is mystery man/woman number 3?

Nutella, Epi both make sense in that world.

That Sabie was the one performing the kill last night would suggest that she was maybe regarded as the more expendable of the two, and/or that her remaining partner is in a safer position/had more to lose by sticking their neck out for the kill.

That can be just about anyone, really. But these two would fit the bill, I suppose. I don't think Epi is a speedster though.

Imagine Epi is Savitar. He goes back and forth on his willingness to lynch Cooler but can’t stop the late switch onto him. He’s annoyed that Sabie wasn’t around to end the day. Sprityo and Jack try to lynch Sabie and Epi doesn’t follow because he doesn’t have confidence in them (even though we’re both obviously town). Convenient!

Sabie makes the kill (as the more expendable role and the more in danger player) and it reflects back to her and she gets vig killed.

Now, Epi is alone and now, he wants to lynch quiet players who won’t defend themselves. The Cooler lynch really did go through because Thawne wasn’t around. But Thawne is dead.

Why do you think Epi is not a speedster?

I think the way he's gone on about the reverse flash is not something he would do if he was a member of the team that has the ability. He also has backed off the inactives push more recently.

If everyone assumes that ability is still in the game but Epi knows it isn’t, it’s a wonderful little goose chase to lead the town on. You’re giving him credit for hunting for a thing baddie Epi would know doesn’t exist and anyone hunting for it is not going to look at Epi.

I'm going back to yesterday as well. He has been pushing this since early Day 2. I don't think he'd be doing that if he was a member of that team.

[Long Con]

if at all possible given the lack of content from those dead, in the world where it's cooler, sabie, and the last mafia

who is mystery man/woman number 3?

Nutella, Epi both make sense in that world.

That Sabie was the one performing the kill last night would suggest that she was maybe regarded as the more expendable of the two, and/or that her remaining partner is in a safer position/had more to lose by sticking their neck out for the kill.

That can be just about anyone, really. But these two would fit the bill, I suppose. I don't think Epi is a speedster though.

Imagine Epi is Savitar. He goes back and forth on his willingness to lynch Cooler but can’t stop the late switch onto him. He’s annoyed that Sabie wasn’t around to end the day. Sprityo and Jack try to lynch Sabie and Epi doesn’t follow because he doesn’t have confidence in them (even though we’re both obviously town). Convenient!

Sabie makes the kill (as the more expendable role and the more in danger player) and it reflects back to her and she gets vig killed.

Now, Epi is alone and now, he wants to lynch quiet players who won’t defend themselves. The Cooler lynch really did go through because Thawne wasn’t around. But Thawne is dead.

Why do you think Epi is not a speedster?

I would not say that Reverse Flash is more expendable than Savitar. I have found that Savitar's role is essentially vanilla, unless he gets really lucky or something. More likely to whiff all game than actually find Barry Allen. And clearly Epi regards Reverse Flash's role as very valuable, and he's right.

I have posted about this before, but I don't think Epi is likely to be an Evil Speedster, and I don't think I'd ever vote him for that. He could still be bad, but not Speedster.

[Long Con]

I could see his preoccupation with it as a League of Assassins perspective... "If we had that ability, you can be damn well sure we'd be using it early, what the hell are they doing??"

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeeeeah, I’m probably just wrong.

[Sloonei]

My biggest concern with voting nutella is that I’d expect her to be craftier than this as mafia.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

page 2 and i'm already townreading myself.

amazing

This is WIFOM.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sloonei/Lux argument feels like civ/civ.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm half wondering if this nutella wagon is a counter-wagon to the Creature talk.

But damn if it doesn't look delicious to me too.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Last game I read her by figuring out if she was part of the towncore. She's not. She's just yelling from the sidelines. Nutella not in the towncore is a bad nutella.

[Sloonei]

Sabie's interactions with people.

A lot happened while I was at work and it seems there are a good amount of players I haven't played with before. Nice to meet you new players!

From what I read a lot of the beginning conversation was about info dumping and all that which some games allow and some don't. I saw that mostly as attempt to strategize and get a feel for how games work on this site. I feel like even when it is allowed it can be risky for that person to out themselves because it leaves them open to being killed off. I remember in the one burglary I played in the cult thing was kind of frustrating because someone who you're pretty sure was town then becomes a cult member and it makes it harder to know who to trust. So I do see the merit in wanting to get rid of the recruiter before they can gain any new members. As people have said though it would have to be not obvious or explicitly stated.

No one is explicitly named in this post, but I think Ultra is the implied subject. It looks like soft-ish shade. Very slight townie point for Ultra.

I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.

There's not a whole lot that I personally can do with this post since I'm her primary target here. She stops short of completely exonerating me here and gives a little bit of a nudge to the anti-GTH debate that was going on at the time. Mac was the main proponent, but I don't see him being bad.

I can see both sides of the argument on gth reads. I always end up not being around when they happen so I always miss it. This early I kinda struggle to have any good reads on anyone so it's hard to decide that quickly. At the same time I also get slooneis point that it gets a conversation going and moves things in a direction. From what I've seen slooneis usual goal is to try to post a lot and get people talking in the beginning of the game.

Hey sabie. Let's start with the players you know best: what do you think of Epi, nutella, juliets, and me so far?

Well you are doing what you normally do in making long posts getting people talking asking questions etc which has a lot of times been town sloon. I feel like you and nutella have had a back and forth thing in some games before. She's usually kinda back and forth on things so I find her hard to read. Juliets is always so nice so shes hard to read too. Epi appears to be his usual self at the moment.
You left out some other people I usually play with. jack who I feel like is doing his usual town jack stuff at the moment where he posts a lot of random stuff. That time he was bad he was way more calm and reserved it seemed.
I always tend to think mac and speed are bad which is probably unfair of me.
The newer people I think are just kinda trying to work out how we play on this site.
Still dont feel like I have solid reads for sure about people but I'm trying to keep up with everything. This day 0 has been crazy.

Here we go. nutella is "hard to read" after an extended preamble. juliets is a shrug, but she's dead now. Epi "appears usual", which looks like she's hesitant to say anything. I could go either way on that, but I maintain that Epi is not a speedster for other reasons.
She offers more reads voluntarily: Her Jack read mirrors her Epi read. Jack and sprit were the two players campaigning to lynch sabie yesterday, so I don't see a teammate pairing there. Stops short of giving a read on Mac (and speedchuck), and throws a blanket over the new people.
The nutella read (surprise, surprise) is the most alarming part of this post to me. Everyone else just gets a brief "business as usual" type statement, but nutella gets two whole clauses to express the same null read. I would also not be surprised if one of the "newer people" is partnered with sabie. ... wait, that would be Cooler. Okay, great detective work, Sloon. Moving on.

Hey I was busy dying a horrible death in better off Ted mafia so now that that's over I'm back over here.
From the people who currently have votes wilgy is iffy because I remember leading an accidental mislynch on him on another game for acting how he is now. Drogomir idk them I'll have to read a bit more from them. Sloonei seems like normal town sloonei as of right now
Nutella is always kinda back and forth and I've seen her and sloonei go back and forth before like that but I dont think they were teammates.
Lux I can see where the suspicion came from there. The wording of their posts and that comment about the mafia teams was a little suspect.
Juliets I would have to read again as I don't recall what she's even said so far.
And now as I was typing sloonei changed the vote to ultra. Is that due to all that mechanics talk ik the beginning trying to get the cop role to out themselves?

Keeps wilgy at arm's length with soft defense. Implies that I'm town by virtue of being normal. Dragomir is a shrug. Nutella gets the exact same preamble as last time. Interestingly, the conclusion sabie arrives at here is "Sloonei and nutella are not teammates", which is not the same as a read on nutella. She gives soft support to the Lux suspicion, so minor townie point to Lux. She speculates about my no-reason Ultra vote, suggesting she was interested in a sudden development in that direction. Good look for Ultra.

Out of the people currently with votes I think my suspicions are more towards lux.
Nutella is iffy and difficult to read because she is often pretty wishy washy as people said but I think right now I feel worse about lux.
I dont think cooler has really said much of anything and ultra idk I just figured they're new and trying to figure out how we do things.
I will take a look at some of the other people mentioned as well and reread lux iso.

More support of the lux case.
More feet-shuffling on nutella. Passive defense of Cooler and a less defensive stance on Ultra ("I dont think cooler has said much" is equated to "I have no reason to vote for Cooler", whereas ("ulta idk i just figured..." leaves the door open for either option). I highlight this to strengthen the assertion that sabie was a speedster without the confirmation of a flip, and to award Ultra another townie point, which I realize now I should be calling Anti-Speed Points instead. But that doesn't have the same ring to it. Ultra is not on a team with sabie and Cooler.

Spirityos contributions so far have been short random posts without giving any thoughts or reads and then randomly comes in and is like sabie is bad with no explanation. He did that to me before and eventually everyone realized he was wrong and that's what's happening again. Sighhhhh and I was just mislynched in another game again.
I can see where the suspicion of Mata and nutella comes from. Nutella is always kinda iffy and from what I've seen of Mata so far I'm not convinced they're town.

Yeah sprit is not her teammate. She offers support of both the mata and nutella wagons, but offers the same excuse not to go all in on nutella as she has every time previously. This post suggests she is much more on board with the Mata wagon.

Votes for Mata who, as you might have noticed, is not nutella.

Welcome new players!
As for my read on LC I'm undecided at the moment. I think despite a slow start and some jokey post that he could be bad this game I'm not super suspicious of him right now. I think he has put forth some effort into figuring things out.

The thing with spirityo is he isn't trying to participate in any discussion or talk about anything that's happening or make cases or reads or anything. Jack is also coming up with incorrect conspiracy theories about me but he at least has put forth a little more effort into it. It's like spirit threw out a random option and then jack took it and ran with it trying to make a case and spirit doesnt have to do anything.

Vague shade at LC. Good look for him. There were also a couple more posts that made jack and ultra look good but I didn't highlight them because I've already decided they're not partnered with sabie. same with sprit, obviously.

And that's it.
People who look good:
sprit, jack, and ultra make up the first tier of Good Looking Guys. Long Con and Lux are a second tier of GLG's.

People who look bad:
nutella. again.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

My biggest concern with voting nutella is that I’d expect her to be craftier than this as mafia.

I mean you think she's not really in her top game and that is distorting our ability to read her?

It's possible.

[Sloonei]

page 2 and i'm already townreading myself.

amazing

This is WIFOM.

and?

Sloonei/Lux argument feels like civ/civ.

Why?

[Sloonei]

My biggest concern with voting nutella is that I’d expect her to be craftier than this as mafia.

I mean you think she's not really in her top game and that is distorting our ability to read her?

It's possible.

Yeah, but after reviewing sabie's ISO a new idea came to mind: nutella started off hot, but then lost a teammate Day 1 (if she's a speedster), and then her other partner was apparently caught on Day 2. That's gotta be disheartening. She also just put up a very strong scum performance in the Scrimmage, after what was probably a fatiguing town game in the Champs Tournament. And she's in Better off Ted. Maybe she's just tired.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Funnygurl is makng some hunting alright but I can't help but notice she's focusing on the most obvious targets during her read.

It's mostly sabie, who is dead, nutella, who is close to being dead.

That said she is talking about the other people but my paranoia says she could be doing busywork while setting herself up to be the 9th voter on a nutella wagon.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

page 2 and i'm already townreading myself.

amazing

This is WIFOM.

and?

Sloonei/Lux argument feels like civ/civ.

Why?

First one is a joke.

Second one is because Lux is unleashing the divisive opinions and really does seem like she believes them. While you seem like you are tunneling because you don't think anyone would disagree on your sabie = bad theory.

[Sloonei]

Cooler & people

Sorry all, been a pretty manic weekend.

Can anyone catch me up?

I'll try and pay more attention from here on out.

Yeah so what's happened so far is that Sloonei didn't like nutella then did and now nutella doesn't like Sloonei anymore but did and now she does again and LC and Mac voted Dragomir because of reasons that I can't remember why and I am not LC so how should I know, Epignosis did a thing or two and then you didn't read anything so who cares if you didn't read anything why haven't you said anything since this post was made it's because you are bad. Tell me about yourself.

I haven't said anything since that post because I went to sleep

Reading now.

Mac tells him he's bad and Cooler rolls over.

Sorry all, been a pretty manic weekend.

Can anyone catch me up?

I'll try and pay more attention from here on out.

Yeah so what's happened so far is that Sloonei didn't like nutella then did and now nutella doesn't like Sloonei anymore but did and now she does again and LC and Mac voted Dragomir because of reasons that I can't remember why and I am not LC so how should I know, Epignosis did a thing or two and then you didn't read anything so who cares if you didn't read anything why haven't you said anything since this post was made it's because you are bad. Tell me about yourself.

Remember to Breath(e)

Man do I have questions but I also dont wanna ask them since I feel like that’ll diminish Cooler’s response

Why would it diminish my response? Mac's response didn't really look like a legit answer to my question anyway.

This exists. I don't know what to do with it. I'll say it's a good look for Lux because I don't feel like this exchange needs to happen if they're teammates. Cooler's question looks like genuine confusion.

I've been slanking a bit the last day or so but I promise I'll buckle down.

Voted Lux over Nutella because the former looks scummier at a surface level. And I haven't paid close enough attention to have confidence to push my own wagon atm

This is a rather bland and vague way to justify voting for someone. Basically sounds like you've gone for the easy choice while throwing in a nice little excuse for bandwagoning.

You're paying enough attention to say Lux looks scummier than Nutella but not enough to have your own thoughts on the game? Any other players on your suss list?

This was the post that launched the Cooler bandwagon. By virtue of that, Ultra is not his teammate.

And that's it. Okay.

Ultra is top tier GLG again. Mac and Lux are secondary GLG's.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I wanna lynch Creature but I'm not really in a hurry.

[Sloonei]

Creature & cooler/sabie

I tried catching up but the black background made my eyes bleed...

Uh? Usually white backgrounds deteriorate my eyes.

OT banter. Okay.

Town leaning:
Ultra
Sloonei
Sable
Mac

I don't remember sabie doing anything. Why is he/she a townread?

Those two posts alone don't seem to convince me.

Creature resists my urge to plant an early town read on Sabie. Good look.

Going to stick with my sabie townread.

... but apparently I convinced him to townread her. This came out of nowhere. [mention]Creature[/mention] do you remember why you town-read sabie here?

Spirityos contributions so far have been short random posts without giving any thoughts or reads and then randomly comes in and is like sabie is bad with no explanation. He did that to me before and eventually everyone realized he was wrong and that's what's happening again. Sighhhhh and I was just mislynched in another game again.
I can see where the suspicion of Mata and nutella comes from. Nutella is always kinda iffy and from what I've seen of Mata so far I'm not convinced they're town.

Eh this is a bad post

No, it isn't.

D-FENCE

sabie town
want to say Long Con is town

sprityo is wtf? NAGL I haven't townread him yet

D-FENCE. sabie is dead by this point. Creature seems unaware of this. That would be a good indication that they're not partners.

There is not enough here to make a solid read, but that last point would have to outweigh the slight pings enough for me to say these interactions overall paint a favorable picture for Creature. I'd tentatively say he's not a speedster.

[Sloonei]

I wanna lynch Creature but I'm not really in a hurry.

Talk about it.

[Sloonei]

DDL and the speedsters

Sabie feels civ as fuck. Sloonei feels good. Drago is pretty good too. I don't think I have more.

Ultra felt town on early Day 0 now he's kind of missing.

Specially emphasized town read on Sabie Day 1. Okay. Why?

Nobody said a word about Cooler. Not even to point out that I misidentified him as Creature at one point.

I think that kind of accusation is pretty common from civ Cooler tbh.

He's a pretty aggro player who tends to start cases easily. And he has being wrong about me like half a dozen times so I'm used to him not being exactly fair with his cases.

Defends Cooler with a meta defense which does not line up with his in-thread behavior.

Main reason I don't wanna lynch Cooler is because it's his first game in TS and I don't want to lynch a newcomer on Day 1.

Also I'm pretty neutral on him.

I was going to say that I hesitate to read DDL's defense of Cooler as bad because I don't think a teammate would stick his neck so far out to defend a partner on Day 1. But there is less defense, and what does exist is more tentative than I remembered it. This isn't really a hard defense and can be explained away later as courtesy (which I do believe, to be fair, but it doesn't help me to read DDL all that much right here), and then he defaults to a "neutral" read on Cooler. So not the best look in the world.

And that's pretty much it. Not much here again, but I'd be inclined to say this is a slightly unfavorable look overall for DDL. Possible teammate connection.

[Sloonei]

Wilgy & Those Bad Guys

Well... This was a delightful EoD. I feel that plenty of information was gained.

Patterns I see. Matahari and Dragomir are not on the same team. Lynching both should net 1 baddie.

Between Cooler, Hazlenut, and Lux there is a baddie as well.

His first mention of either Cooler or sabie comes after the Day 1 deadline but before the flip. Cooler has a 1/3 chance of being bad. Okay. This means nothing.

After that is just some posthumous commentary. Wilgy never mentioned or interacted with sabie.

Dammit... Sprityo is bad again.

A shame too... here I was thinking "I just wish I could press my shirtless body up to them." Looks like that can't happen.

This post does exist from Day 2 shortly after sprit came in and voted for sabie.

This is just barely above nothing. Wilgy is a possible teammate in the absence of any evidence to the contrary.

I town read him independent of this exercise though.

[Sloonei]

Dragomir/Colin & Them

Jackofhearts2005
Epignosis
Juliets
MacDougall
Speedchuck
MafiaMenace
Luxurious
Sabie12
Ultra
Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con
Cooler
Sprityo
Creature
Spacedaisy
Matahari
Sloonei
DrWilgy
Nutella

Sabie is in the lightest tier of town reads. Cooler is neutral. Cooler had done zilch up to this point (I think), so that read makes sense. I don't think anyone was onto sabie at this stage, so that also makes sense. But I can't award full credit for this because that'd be weak.

Are we acting as if Cooler slipped here because him hassling Ultra for reads while also not having any himself and then vanishing means he’s getting all his info from scum chat

Or is it something else

Weird tinfoil but ok.

You still scum reading me?

This is a weird tinfoil and is absolutely not the reason people were voting for Cooler, but Dragomir's abrupt change of subject away from Cooler and total lack of acknowledgment of the case is not my favorite thing.

How the fuck did the votes go from speedchuck to Cooler?

[VOTE: Lux] aubergine I’m still not seeing a defense here.
Too many linki

Saving Nutella I see. Or maybe Cooler? Might even be both.

Can you explain me your thought process from being baffled at the suspicion against Luxy but now voting her cause no defense(even though she hasn't been put in a position where she needs to defend herself again).

I think you just went from town reading Luxy for town cred to trying to save your buddy.

Accuses Mata of possibly saving Cooler. But he uses this as an accusation against Matahari, not Cooler (or nutella).

Its hard to figure out who Cooler's buddy is as hardly anybody interacted with him.

Post-flip lamentation.

Generic prod @ sabie

Jackofhearts2005 why aren't you voting Nutella.

My opinion on her hasn't changed but I only have one vote.

If this was lights out, we'd be halfway to a win by now.

That one vote could be used on her instead of Sabie.

Hm.

I've maintained a town read on Dragomir all game, but these interactions are not at all inspiring. He either passively or actively resisted the cases against both Cooler and Sabie and pushed alternatives while they were in trouble.

Very minor detail from Colin's ISO:

Creature - lean scum, intentionally staying under the radar
Dragon D Luffy - good
DrWilgy - impossible to read
Dragomir - me
Epignosis - obviously town
Jackofhearts2005 - leaning town
Long Con - GTH scum
Luxurious - town
Macdougall - town, possible he did that D1 lynch maneuver for bus cred, but that's tinfoil
MafiaMenace - somebody else, null
nutella - scum, I found myself nodding vigorously any time anybody voiced a suspicion of her
Sloonei - seems more town than not at this point
Spacedaisy - open to lynching per Epi's theory
sprityo - town
Ultra - went back and forth, thought scum throughout, some recent posts seem town

Others have not noticed that sabie is dead because she is not listed among the dead on the front page. But Colin picked up on her death without having to be told. It's possible he just, you know, looked at the Night 2 host post. Or it's possible he was made aware that both of his partners are dead when he subbed into the game.

There is more here that suggests a partnership than no partnership. Not a good look for DragoIsCool.

[Long Con]

page 2 and i'm already townreading myself.

amazing

This is WIFOM.

Yeah, but it's a fine vintage that I enjoy.

sprit, jack, and ultra make up the first tier of Good Looking Guys. Long Con and Lux are a second tier of GLG's.

That's about where I have existed most of my life.

[Sloonei]

Epi & his Reverse Flashing Friends

Cooler - ISO - Bad

sabie12 - ISO - Good

Noted.

Matahari, if you want me to quote you, please don't use the mention feature- it messes with my browser. I know you don't know that though. I do read everything and will respond.

Why do you think Nutella is good?

No reason to think she's bad. I'm not persuaded by Sloonei's thing. It looks good, but it isn't convincing.

Is Cooler bad because he would be posting if he was good?

I don't know Cooler from Adam. Why would him posting more make him good? What a strange question to ask.

Is Sloonei good because he is always pushy when town? Is he different when bad?

Sloonei being a civilian has nothing to do with pushiness. Again, this is a strange question.

Answers a question about his Cooler suspicion, but doesn't explain his Cooler suspicion. Okay.

Matahari, if you want me to quote you, please don't use the mention feature- it messes with my browser. I know you don't know that though. I do read everything and will respond.

Why do you think Nutella is good?

No reason to think she's bad. I'm not persuaded by Sloonei's thing. It looks good, but it isn't convincing.

Is Cooler bad because he would be posting if he was good?

I don't know Cooler from Adam. Why would him posting more make him good? What a strange question to ask.

Is Sloonei good because he is always pushy when town? Is he different when bad?

Sloonei being a civilian has nothing to do with pushiness. Again, this is a strange question.

sorry about your browser!

You have Cooler down as bad in your list. But last I looked, he only had one post. So I’m not sure why you find him bad.

About Sloonei- I thought you said something earlier about his level of play, but I might be thinking of someone else.

No worries- the browser thing only happens if I try to quote your post. It doesn't do anything if I just see it. It's only pain because I can't quote.

Cooler would be my default lynch if I had no opinions about anything else.

Sloonei is my default civilian sidekick until I'm given a reason to think otherwise. He's lighting it up in here and making sense even if I disagree with him and he disagrees with me. I can understand how he arrives at his conclusions and I detect no deceit.

I don't think Epignosis hangs his partner out to dry like this, even if he's only got one post.

... that said, Epi never really touched Cooler while he was alive except to throw phantom shade at him.

Town leaning:
Ultra
Sloonei
Sable
Mac

I don't remember sabie doing anything. Why is he/she a townread?

sabie looks like the civ sabie I have seen in multiple other games. She seems genuine and authentic, just as I have seen her before. She also went a little further in the beginning of this game giving Sloonei reads even though she had previously agreed with Mata that things don't usually come together for her until we are a couple of days into the game. Her style is earnest, and she doesn't pop into the thread as much as some of the rest of us. My read of her is highly dependent on meta which I know doesn't help you much. She may not be at the sophistication level you see at your other sites but if I had to pick the person I'm the most sure about right now being civ I would pick her.

I agree with this.

Supports a Sabie townread.

The sabie wagon is so outta left field and with no explanation that it feels Very Wrong

The people voting her don't inspire any confidence. That doesn't mean she's innocent. I just don't see it right now.

If this were another player it'd be a red flag. But it's Epi, so it's... not really, but maybe a little. This was the exact stance I expressed as well.

I want to consider the sabie kill. She was lit up like Bonnie and Clyde.

That's strange, isn't it? If you're on the even Night killing team, you have to be aware that sabie is a major suspect for quite a few people, and that some were openly calling for Robin Hood to do her in.

So why submit her name? Why not pick someone else?

This post exists after sabie was killed. I don't know what Epi's own thoughts on these questions were.

These interactions are less inspiring than I would have thought, but it ignores all of Epi's chatter about the Reverse Flash ability, which I take to be a strong indication that he is not a member of this team. But for the purposes of this exercise I will say that there is not enough to make a firm judgment one way or the other, which would put Epi in the same camp as wilgy: suspect by virtue of no evidence to the contrary.

except there is evidence outside of this exercise so that's not strictly relevant.

[Sloonei]

I'm skipping Jack. Sabie doesn't receive serious pressure without him. I might do him later if I feel like it, but for now meh.

I'll join juliets on Cooler. [VOTE: Cooler] aubergine

His meagre ISO has been discussed. That tepid attack on Ultra was tres lame.

LC specifically notes that he is following juliets by voting for cooler. I don't love that detail, but this was (I think) Vote #2 on what would eventually be the successful Cooler wagon, so that's a decent look I guess. I am not sure about Long Con's propensity for unprovoked teammate bussing on Day 1.

Right now, if I weren't voting for Cooler, I'd be voting for Matahari. I just don't know if lazy, self-involved conclusions equate to mafia role card. Maybe that would be a lazy conclusion.

Gives himself an out to vote for somebody else, but he didn't act on it (unless I'm misremembering). Good look.

I'll get on this Sabie vote for a little excitement.

He again makes the specific point that he following others onto the Sabie wagon. Odd, but not necessarily bad. Maybe though. LC mentioned/interacted with Sabie 0 times before this post.

Just looked over sabie's ISO quickly... I couldn't really see much I actually find suspicious. I thought I recalled a suspicion of sabie that I agreed with. Why are we voting sabie?

Shoot first, ask questions later. Cold feet? Maybe, because he quickly changed his vote to Ultra.

Actually, how does an Ultra lynch sound to you guys.

Stop testing the waters and just go for me you pussy

Actually the proper quote for this is "Do it bitch" which won best quote in the sockys! Haha

Also, the identical attitude from Wolbre (?) was followed by the revelation that he was, in fact, bad. Makes me suspect Ultra of being in the same position.

I have been wondering about ultra. Also Mata voted me after I said ultra voted me and changed their mind which was just a statement of fact not a question. But they changed their vote to Mata. So Mata suspects me because ultra voted for them instead of me?
Sorry I don't know pronouns for everyone.

Sounds like some complicated chicanery, I'm keepin' it simple over here.

Interesting post(s). I could see this as a coordinated attack against Ultra for sure. Everything in this exchange is snowballing into pretty baseless suspicion against him. Bad look for LC.

And that's the end of it. That final point has left a bad enough taste in my mouth that I'd say I see more evidence for a partnership than against it. The Cooler vote was good, but we've seen Day 1 bus-fests before.

I maintain a town read on LC outside of this exercise, but this has dampened that a little.

[Sloonei]

I'll hit pause on the interactive reads for now because I don't want to totally drown the thread, plus it's nice outside and I should go take advantage of that.

nutella, Dragomir/Colin, and LC have looked the worse in these reads so far. Discuss.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

DDL and the speedsters

Sabie feels civ as fuck. Sloonei feels good. Drago is pretty good too. I don't think I have more.

Ultra felt town on early Day 0 now he's kind of missing.

Specially emphasized town read on Sabie Day 1. Okay. Why?

She felt like normal civ sabie. A bit lost, but trying to figure things out.

Granted I've never seen baddie sabie before.

I also got a bit influenced by other people saying sabie looked civ, so I tried to see what they saw and decided I was okay with it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Also are we completely sure sabie was bad AND speedster?

I mean right now I see that as the occam's razor but I wonder if we aren't skipping any possibility.

[Funnygurl555]

Funnygurl is makng some hunting alright but I can't help but notice she's focusing on the most obvious targets during her read.

It's mostly sabie, who is dead, nutella, who is close to being dead.

That said she is talking about the other people but my paranoia says she could be doing busywork while setting herself up to be the 9th voter on a nutella wagon.

i've already voted for her man

and i didn't even know sabie was dead. lmfao, you sure man? you sure i'm just feigning the appearance of doing busy work? I GOTTA READ 60 PAGES please help me

alright back into the grind i go *SIPS COFFEE*

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Funnygurl is makng some hunting alright but I can't help but notice she's focusing on the most obvious targets during her read.

It's mostly sabie, who is dead, nutella, who is close to being dead.

That said she is talking about the other people but my paranoia says she could be doing busywork while setting herself up to be the 9th voter on a nutella wagon.

i've already voted for her man

and i didn't even know sabie was dead. lmfao, you sure man? you sure i'm just feigning the appearance of doing busy work? I GOTTA READ 60 PAGES please help me

alright back into the grind i go *SIPS COFFEE*

No I mean if you're mafia you still gotta read everything but you have to come up with some fake conclusions at the end of it.

And jumping on the nearest bandwagon is the easiest concusion you can have.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

That said I really admire your effort to read everything.

I wouldn't do it.

[Funnygurl555]

Funnygurl is makng some hunting alright but I can't help but notice she's focusing on the most obvious targets during her read.

It's mostly sabie, who is dead, nutella, who is close to being dead.

That said she is talking about the other people but my paranoia says she could be doing busywork while setting herself up to be the 9th voter on a nutella wagon.

i've already voted for her man

and i didn't even know sabie was dead. lmfao, you sure man? you sure i'm just feigning the appearance of doing busy work? I GOTTA READ 60 PAGES please help me

alright back into the grind i go *SIPS COFFEE*

No I mean if you're mafia you still gotta read everything but you have to come up with some fake conclusions at the end of it.

And jumping on the nearest bandwagon is the easiest concusion you can have.

but the wagon could also be right?

what are you trying to do here? what's your read on nutella?

[Funnygurl555]

That said I really admire your effort to read everything.

I wouldn't do it.

thanks! i really have to since i've never played with any of you before

[Luxurious]

The only thing that bugs me about this wagon formation is that i feels exactly like Mata’s from yesterday

1)it’s the overwhelming majority and keeps gaining more votes
2)nutella’s not really doing anything to defend herself
3) no one’s really arguing that she’s town anyway

It’s much earlier in the day that I’m saying this but it makes me antsy. Especially considering the fact that yesterday there weren’t any opposing wagons to look at

So

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine