Girl Genius (END)

[Dyslexicon]

Was worth a shot.

Uhhh that I had forgotten who I replaced? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Epignosis]

If I had to pick three civilians right now, it's Michelle, Owner, and juliets.

If I had to pick a fourth, it's Long Con.

[Epignosis]

My vote's on AnthonyRizzoStarkPrime right now.

[Dyslexicon]

I think he’s referring to a player from HCRealms, Fredwood. I’m guessing he’s known for mechanical analysis. He’s played a few games here.

Omg, I know and love Fredwood too <3

Wait, wait, wait.

I died Night 2.

It's now Day 4.

I died on page 21.

It is now page 24, and a bunch of those are Chess posts.

Are any fucks being given at all?

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Also agree that LC's first post was ehhh, but I also think his response sounds town. Idk, gut feeling LC town, and I think I'm more right on LC than wrong iirc.

[Dyslexicon]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] You've played with Owner quite a bit, haven't you?

[Dyslexicon]

If I had to pick three civilians right now, it's Michelle, Owner, and juliets.

If I had to pick a fourth, it's Long Con.

Why for Michelle?

[Epignosis]

sprityo replaced in and has done nothing.

[Epignosis]

If I had to pick three civilians right now, it's Michelle, Owner, and juliets.

If I had to pick a fourth, it's Long Con.

Why for Michelle?

Already said why.

I disliked last DP timmer's posts and i hoped to have now more content to check it. But is not happening this.

Given that Lunalee was independent and not aligned to the mafia, this at face value looks good to me- an uninvited willingness to direct attention elsewhere.

[Dyslexicon]

If I had to pick three civilians right now, it's Michelle, Owner, and juliets.

If I had to pick a fourth, it's Long Con.

Why for Michelle?

Already said why.

I disliked last DP timmer's posts and i hoped to have now more content to check it. But is not happening this.

Given that Lunalee was independent and not aligned to the mafia, this at face value looks good to me- an uninvited willingness to direct attention elsewhere.

Oh ok. I didn't like Michelle assuming red check on Luna, but then also saying she liked her posts though. What do you think about that?

[Dyslexicon]

I read through Tony's posts, and if he's the type of player who generally has a calm/good tone I could see him being scum here. His interaction with Sig could be teammates and I also noticed he didn't comment on the whole Rej thing almost at all.

[Dyslexicon]

I think the meta explaining is a tell for a lot of people and generally I think it works well broadly but given that I don’t think I’ve played with sig, at least in a while, I’ll take info sig=intuition player who seems scummy.

Also the only reason I don’t post a guide where I explain my meta every time I’m Town is to preserve myself in games where I’m mafia. I’d never think of trying to fake a meta defense of myself in a game where I’m scum.

That said, other people play differently.

Here Tony says that he wouldn't do a fake meta defense as scum himself.

What Sloonei said.

I have no qualms with what you’re saying here I think it’s probably NAI with maybe a slight scum read on instinct. However a lot of syndicate players including in this game might have a different view and I want to know what they think.
Sig’s meta description I read similarly — NAI with a slight scum vibe. But I think “he described meta” is a lazy argument that takes some very broad points about the ways scum tends to defend themselves and fits it into a nice quantifiable package for easy handling by those who want a cheap argument.

A while later he says that he took Sig's meta as NAI but with slight scum vibe, which is not really what I read from the first post.

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Would really like for people to tell me what is "typical" for Tony or not if such exists.

[Dyslexicon]

Sloonie and Dragomir are mafia leans.
Nova is solid town, who'll I'll probably NO U at some point.
Gut reading Nutella and LC as town.
Jul's is being her normal self which means I can't read her worth a damn.
Epi and Mac are still just messing around which is normal, but I'm expecting some weird ass shit from one of them soon.

This is interesting cause a lot of these players have flipped and was not mafia. What is the chance Sig names only people who's not on his team? Is Sig a tricky player?
Drag, LC and Juliet has not flipped here. I think Juliet is likely not mafia, and gut read LC town (could be wrong there I guess). Out of these I think Drag is the most likely to be mafia.

[Dyslexicon]

Let's do this

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

[Dyslexicon]

Sprit, Timmer, Sabie, Poison all need to post a looooot more. Plz.

[Dyslexicon]

Lol looking at the post count me and Epi are top posters. And I've been dead since D1. Seriously this game needs to move or else what's the point.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm hoping Epi is town here.

Going to bed now, good night.

[Epignosis]

If I had to pick three civilians right now, it's Michelle, Owner, and juliets.

If I had to pick a fourth, it's Long Con.

Why for Michelle?

Already said why.

I disliked last DP timmer's posts and i hoped to have now more content to check it. But is not happening this.

Given that Lunalee was independent and not aligned to the mafia, this at face value looks good to me- an uninvited willingness to direct attention elsewhere.

Oh ok. I didn't like Michelle assuming red check on Luna, but then also saying she liked her posts though. What do you think about that?

Everybody more or less assumed that. Michelle arguing it with Luna showing up as an independent (and not a mafia member) means that Michelle was theoretically cool having the lynch land on a teammate.

That didn't happen, but Michelle was open to it.

I like that. Good stuff.

[Epignosis]

One more beer, and then I've got to peace out myself.

[Epignosis]

I'll revisit timmer when I have a clearer head. I kind of gave that a lazy pass.

I would not be sad if Creature got lynched.

I don't mind Dom, but would be more interested in interactions with living people instead of dead nutellas.

LC has two votes from people I have no reason to trust. Pass.

Poison is still reading the setup, apparently.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jackofhearts2005 You've played with Owner quite a bit, haven't you?

About 3-4 times.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You asked earlier. I now have a light townread on Creature for him trying to make something happen, even if I disagree with him.

I'm aware that's a low bar.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think the meta explaining is a tell for a lot of people and generally I think it works well broadly but given that I don’t think I’ve played with sig, at least in a while, I’ll take info sig=intuition player who seems scummy.

Also the only reason I don’t post a guide where I explain my meta every time I’m Town is to preserve myself in games where I’m mafia. I’d never think of trying to fake a meta defense of myself in a game where I’m scum.

That said, other people play differently.

Here Tony says that he wouldn't do a fake meta defense as scum himself.

What Sloonei said.

I have no qualms with what you’re saying here I think it’s probably NAI with maybe a slight scum read on instinct. However a lot of syndicate players including in this game might have a different view and I want to know what they think.
Sig’s meta description I read similarly — NAI with a slight scum vibe. But I think “he described meta” is a lazy argument that takes some very broad points about the ways scum tends to defend themselves and fits it into a nice quantifiable package for easy handling by those who want a cheap argument.

A while later he says that he took Sig's meta as NAI but with slight scum vibe, which is not really what I read from the first post.

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Would really like for people to tell me what is "typical" for Tony or not if such exists.

Pff. One time, Tony had the best fakeclaim ever and on like Day 11, I went back and saw that he had defended every damn mafia player we had ever lynched or vigged. That's the only time I've legit caught Tony iirc. This was after I was misdirected into lightning rodding a vigilante shot into him and burning the first of his two lives. Host treated this like I had fucked up royally. HCRealms was wild.

Normally, I "recognize" town Tony and he's really town like 80% of the time so idk if I'm pretty good at reading him or if he just happens to rand town pretty often. I think I generally just look to see if he's agreeing with me on things?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't have a read that I remember on Tony this game though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Epi and Dizzy hitting the ground running tells me they're probably both town.

Slim chance they both randed mafia and they're like "I am needed so I wim." People are going to think this is a stupid thing to say. I stand by it.

They're probably both just town tho. Diz in particular has phoned in a scum game or two lately.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If I had to pick three civilians right now, it's Michelle, Owner, and juliets.

If I had to pick a fourth, it's Long Con.

Why for Michelle?

Already said why.

I disliked last DP timmer's posts and i hoped to have now more content to check it. But is not happening this.

Given that Lunalee was independent and not aligned to the mafia, this at face value looks good to me- an uninvited willingness to direct attention elsewhere.

Oh ok. I didn't like Michelle assuming red check on Luna, but then also saying she liked her posts though. What do you think about that?

Everybody more or less assumed that. Michelle arguing it with Luna showing up as an independent (and not a mafia member) means that Michelle was theoretically cool having the lynch land on a teammate.

That didn't happen, but Michelle was open to it.

I like that. Good stuff.

I don't get what you're saying here.

Objecting to a non wolf lynch that is going to happen anyway isn't something cred worthy imo.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ugh there are still 4 wolves left?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack, LC, Epi, Dizzy, Creature

Assuming those players are all town, half the remaining ones are bad. Isos of these players to come tomorrow.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I think the meta explaining is a tell for a lot of people and generally I think it works well broadly but given that I don’t think I’ve played with sig, at least in a while, I’ll take info sig=intuition player who seems scummy.

Also the only reason I don’t post a guide where I explain my meta every time I’m Town is to preserve myself in games where I’m mafia. I’d never think of trying to fake a meta defense of myself in a game where I’m scum.

That said, other people play differently.

Here Tony says that he wouldn't do a fake meta defense as scum himself.

What Sloonei said.

I have no qualms with what you’re saying here I think it’s probably NAI with maybe a slight scum read on instinct. However a lot of syndicate players including in this game might have a different view and I want to know what they think.
Sig’s meta description I read similarly — NAI with a slight scum vibe. But I think “he described meta” is a lazy argument that takes some very broad points about the ways scum tends to defend themselves and fits it into a nice quantifiable package for easy handling by those who want a cheap argument.

A while later he says that he took Sig's meta as NAI but with slight scum vibe, which is not really what I read from the first post.

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Would really like for people to tell me what is "typical" for Tony or not if such exists.

Pff. One time, Tony had the best fakeclaim ever and on like Day 11, I went back and saw that he had defended every damn mafia player we had ever lynched or vigged. That's the only time I've legit caught Tony iirc. This was after I was misdirected into lightning rodding a vigilante shot into him and burning the first of his two lives. Host treated this like I had fucked up royally. HCRealms was wild.

Normally, I "recognize" town Tony and he's really town like 80% of the time so idk if I'm pretty good at reading him or if he just happens to rand town pretty often. I think I generally just look to see if he's agreeing with me on things?

Well the attempted Chinese fire drill onto the cleared town vigilante probably didn’t help my case.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Sloonie and Dragomir are mafia leans.
Nova is solid town, who'll I'll probably NO U at some point.
Gut reading Nutella and LC as town.
Jul's is being her normal self which means I can't read her worth a damn.
Epi and Mac are still just messing around which is normal, but I'm expecting some weird ass shit from one of them soon.

This is interesting cause a lot of these players have flipped and was not mafia. What is the chance Sig names only people who's not on his team? Is Sig a tricky player?
Drag, LC and Juliet has not flipped here. I think Juliet is likely not mafia, and gut read LC town (could be wrong there I guess). Out of these I think Drag is the most likely to be mafia.

One more player on the list hasn’t flipped.

[timmer]

I'm here, I'm just busy. But I'm following the conversations pretty well, I'm just not posting a ton as it would just be a string of I'm not sures. Tomorrow my kids head back to their mom and I'll settle in for a read.

[TonyStarkPrime]

After this game, I would love to have a conversation about the balance implications of replacing a player with a dead player and saying replacements can't be lynched on the phase they replace in.

I'm not saying this is a problem. I'm saying I want to talk about it when it doesn't have a direct effect on an ongoing game.

You can NK me though <3

(But seriously, I had discussions about dead player replacing in before, and there's definitely things one can discuss. But since I was asked I answered.)

The long and the short of my opinion is "scum players should have to approve replacements consisting of any players they had any hand in eliminating."

Like if I'm scum and I eliminate a player because they are a scary townie or because they suspect me, the host should not then put them right back in the game.

But if the sker kills that same scary player, wolf Jack shouldn't have a say in them coming back or not.

Also, I just find the "no lynching replacements" thing fascinating and haven't played out the game theory of what that would mean for a game. I think that shouldn't happen at lylo and there are some problematic things like a red peeked wolf vigilante replacing out and now the town can't lynch them and the wolves get an extra kill via replacement. Overall, I do think giving replacements a free day is certainly a nice thing to do for replacements. Like replacing in and getting lynched for scummy things the old player did sucks and that's one reason players don't like to sign up as replacements. Another is having to act without catching up and this gives the players a guaranteed amount of time to catch up and then make an impact.

So it's probably a net positive except in some corner cases.

Someone tell me what I think about this as it pertains to Jack and this game and not about replacements.

[timmer]

[mention]dragon d. Luffy[/mention], can you clarify this, in the roles?

"Once per night, she can use her expertise in violence to make her night kill a super-kill, allowing to bypass all defenses."

So, this person can superkill every night?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.

This stinks.

"If Luna is bad, then Creature is the obvious target."

That's logic I can follow.

"But Creature isn't bad."

That's logic I can't.

Did I follow that up ever?
I meant to say who I figured the right target would be but I have since forgotten. I think it was Dom.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Doms in the game so let's lynch hom first for reasons

I see you have not changed at all in my long absence and no one here missed me at all.

We've got alot of new people here also at least four I don't know. So here's some advice I'm one of the best the best gut mafia players. Literally buuuuuut I always seem scummy hence why no longer mislynching me is a joke. So don't be the jerks who mislynch me or I'll be sad.

why !
do !
people !
refer !
to !
their !
own !
meta !
as !
a !
defense !
it's !
so !
suspicious !

Self-awareness isn't always a bad thing.

Tell me what our motivation to believe sig is.

And I completely disagree with hitting the ground running being a positive thing especially when literally less than half the people have yet to appear. Mafia always has a harder time at first so they do two things.

1. Lurk
2. Seize control of the narrative and pretend to be sup town. People naturally follow them and they don't have to fear getting lynched. We're already seeing this shaping up.

wut
this is why you're lynched.

Dom 1.1:
Dom attacks Sig. it’s day 0 and Dom also threatens to lynch half a dozen other people so it’s not super aggressive but I don’t make anything else out from this. It’s a standard attack line, the kind of thing that’s easy to fake and easy to drop off of. But Dom also takes the line with full force, presenting a possible liability if w/w

[TonyStarkPrime]

Spoiler: show

I missed you.


Even though you're already trying to get me lynched and are wrong but whatever it's cool, I'm totally not sad about it or anything.

ur not NUMBA one priority today dude

Sloonie and Dragomir are mafia leans.
Nova is solid town, who'll I'll probably NO U at some point.
Gut reading Nutella and LC as town.
Jul's is being her normal self which means I can't read her worth a damn.
Epi and Mac are still just messing around which is normal, but I'm expecting some weird ass shit from one of them soon.

offended i didn't get a read.

Doms in the game so let's lynch hom first for reasons

I see you have not changed at all in my long absence and no one here missed me at all.

That is not true Dom, many of us missed you.

i kid <3

what's town?

bad

This sequence is bad probably

no u

Yep you're scum

hey guys i don't like this exchange one bit !

I'm flattered you guys are entertained by this lazy poll I scrapped together in 5 minutes to avoid delaying the game.

I'm offended there is no Maths.

while u r evil i agree.

This looks boring.

Wanna play chess?

1. d4

2. d5

I will lynch both of you if you continue this nonsense. At least include pictures.

Current thoughts are in a world where Sloonie or Drag are mafia they either both are or neither are.

sig, can you talk through why you hold this opinion?

Drag's first post is reading gut bad to me, the way he upfront said he was a civ. Plus like I said I just find Sloonie/Drag interactions to be fake seeming like how two teammates would talk.

I disagree with this. What about "the way" he said that he was a civ pinged you?

Almost like it was a good idea to self explain my meta. Oh wait I did that and got a vote for it or something.

Btw Imma be low key super salty if I get lynched or killed day 1.

ur meta is that everyone always thinks your bad and that's about it.

Don't try and get complicated here. REferring to your meta is an absolute useless data point.
Someone else referring to your meta is not.

Dom 1.2.1
Keeps the same line but votes for Nova. An equal opportunity attacker it seems.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Spoiler: show

Nutella ISO for you all, since I only say things that don't matter according to the queen of bullshit.

Day 0

Spoiler: show

Sup, I am very busy irl (moving this weekend) so my activity may be sparser than usual.

And hey my super cool major is in the poll

I don't think that's how HIPAA works

I don't think that's how HIPAA works

Aaaaaaannnd D1 lynch successfully found.

I like your spark kid but good luck lol

Drago, sloonei, sig all town. Dyslexicon and creature bad. Quin who knows.

Oh and the raspberry vinaigrette would be great with that, thanks.

Drago is obvious town. Sloonei is obvious scum.

Hmm methinks mister spicy boi here might be the obvious scum he wants to see in the world

Almost all jokes. Claims sig and Drago are civs. Not a great look to me.
(2) posts on topic. Which is fine for Day 0. The content of those posts are just garbage. I don't trust Drago and sig was bad.

Day 1

Attention everyone. I don't like Nutella.

I'm on the same bus. She a bad girl.

Hey buzz off. I'm seriously too occupied with real life to deal with being suspected for no reason. Kindly direct your bullshit elsewhere.

This will be a pattern for nutella. She will continuously just say she's buy, but not too busy to complain about other people.

Spoiler: show

why you voting timmer now, you just pointed out he and me could be team mates

lol yeah basically my reaction

[VOTE: rej] aubergine

(disclaimer: I am not caught up past that post, I've just had the most goddamn stressful evening ever and I won't be done freaking out until Sunday when moving is ideally all done but will try to keep up on the thread to the best of my ability)

I do not agree with Owner’s grievance against Tony, but I think she looks very town because of it.

My thoughts exactly

caught up for now. right now I heavily suspect Rej and about 50/50 on whether timmer is his teammate or a townie that he tried to buddy with that awkward post.

I'm on board the dizzy is 3p train

Four consecutive posts of "I agree".

........LC thinks Epi is on fire. Like in a good way.

Man, this Mercury retrograde really hit hard, huh.

This is her last post before I call her out for lack of content, but not posts.

You be the judge. Was that justified? Read this iso yourself. Is this the content she later claimed it to be?

........LC thinks Epi is on fire. Like in a good way.

Man, this Mercury retrograde really hit hard, huh.

ha ha
you haven't shared a single thought all game. just posted about how you're not around and made snarky jokes.
what gives?

bullshit I have posted several thoughts. how about you actually read my posts and try again

I read your posts. I've made my commentary. I don't think it was unreasonable to say you weren't really playing.

*is confused how Dragomir has 3 votes*

wait yeah what? I think he's been one of the more townie voices so far but apparently some people disagree

If this is my avenue of suspicion on Nutella, I'd like to lynch drago first.

Spoiler: show

hmm let's look at dom's iso and my iso and compare the volume of reads!

dom: 29 posts, many of which are just jokey banter and several more of which consist more of his particular brand of snarky prodding (usually exaggerating an insinuation about a player's behavior to an undeserved extent, such as the one I am debunking right now about my content).
Reads of players contained therein:
1. Suspects sig for appealing to meta
2. Doesn't like nova/creature exchange, doesn't like nova in general, votes nova.
3. Doesn't like the rej/timmer exchange, doesn't like rej in general, votes rej.
4. Not sure this counts as a read but repeated prodding of sloonei for dodging a question or something I don't follow, it's classic dom blowing up a molehill
5. Couple other things that don't really count as reads. Doesn't like timmer "downplaying his prowess," criticizes both LC and me for not producing enough content.

So that's somewhere between 4 and 7 reads on players. I don't know what Dom thinks about many other players. There are a lot that he straight up never mentioned. I'm sure the same is true for me, but I don't think he gets to be on his high horse about this.

Now me: 14 posts, a handful of which are either jokes or mentioning I'm busy.
1. "Drago, sig, sloonei all town. Dyslexicon and creature bad. Quin who knows." That's five and a half actual reads on player alignments right off the bat. In a single post I have reached read parity with Dom.
2. Called out nova for being spicy. Tbf still not sure how I feel about him so maybe that's another half read.
3. Hated rej's content and voted for him. Wasn't sure about timmer's position in the situation.
4. Think Owner is town.
5. Said dizzy could be 3p.

That's like... eight or nine reads.

Basically Dom is full of shit. I know that his way of calling people out for little things is consistent with his town meta, but when I actually break it down and compare it to the rest of his content, I'm not impressed. He's using his nudges to push people into the spotlight to draw attention away from his own hypocrisy.

This is the post where nutella defends her record and tries to savage mine. You be the judge, I guess.

I don't think my analysis is unfair.

I'd actively like to hear from mr. Dragomir...

I wanted rej to open up a bit about the game, because we've all blindered ourselves as civs at least once, and I thought posts about others might give us a better picture.

Well here he says dragomir should be able to read his meta and know that this is a civ rej move... So, id like to hear about this from dragomir, who sure went quiet after it seemed like this Lynch was a done deal.

The flip side to this? Rej finding only something to say about someone who is voting him is s bit self serving and calculated, so I'm definitely not moving my vote at this time.

Hmmmm this is pretty insightful. I'll have to look into drago/rej interactions and maybe I'll understand more why people suspect drago.

Now drago might be bad. Could be genuine, we'll see!

Nutella played basically like this:
-fluffing from the sidelines (early posts)
-lunching me, also commenting from the sidelines
-doing a pseudo iso on Dom and some gth
-commenting from the sidelines

I heard nutella can perform far more impressive, I don't know her meta, but did she bring forward the DP somehow?
I don't mind voting between Drago and Nutella right now.

Not sure what you mean bring forward the dp, but I am considering the other side after your recent posts. I won't have time to look much into Drago before the deadline, but based on how the discussion goes I could be convinced to vote him over you.

AGain-- she says she'll follow up. We'll see.

Spoiler: show

@nutella Why do you have a read on me before I started to play the game though? I've posted plenty now. Kind of meh about you defending "I'm having reads" when you're just throwing out stuff without basis like your read on me.

That's how I play. I have at different points in the game read you as mafia, indie, and town. Just because my reads can change based on later content doesn't mean they aren't real reads at the time I post them.

Here I am seeing a defense of a meta. Sure. Whatever.

Nutella played basically like this:
-fluffing from the sidelines (early posts)
-lunching me, also commenting from the sidelines
-doing a pseudo iso on Dom and some gth
-commenting from the sidelines

I heard nutella can perform far more impressive, I don't know her meta, but did she bring forward the DP somehow?
I don't mind voting between Drago and Nutella right now.

Not sure what you mean bring forward the dp, but I am considering the other side after your recent posts. I won't have time to look much into Drago before the deadline, but based on how the discussion goes I could be convinced to vote him over you.

Are you just convinced by my posts or do you have an own opinion on the drago case? I don't see myself as overly good scumhunter, but I just feel like pointing out some things and getting some things pointed out.

Bringing forward the DP = contributing and concluding. For your case the only noteable I have seen was an ISO case on Dom for example.

Mostly starting to be convinced by your posts, but I also liked rimmer's point about drago's relative lack of comment on your lynch train (which I still need to verify for myself)

Admits she hasn't really followed up on the thing she said she would. Maybe she will!
BUT ! All of a sudden, she is even more open to the idea. It's almost like her following up is not really going to change anything because this is pre-planned? Got to start distancing from Drago?

This: "does it mean that this are mostly civillians jumping over to look and make right decisions or could it be baddies who approach to save someone?"

This: "On the other side I don't know if mafia profits from mislynching Dragomir, when Dragomir approaches me or other people agressively. "

This: "I heard nutella can perform far more impressive"

The first two statements have a real calculation behind them. I don't think a civ would care this much about trying to define the makeup of a Lynch train. It's day 1. Stuff happens and we vote. But why worry about how a mislynch would look? A civ shouldn't care how a Lynch would look to baddies at all, and a civ seems less likely to use the term mislynch here because a civ rej doesn't know what drag is.

The third statement makes me wonder about btsc.


So I'm staying put.

Aaand now this is making me feel better about staying on rej.

Just kidding.

Spoiler: show

Wait, is day ending in like 2 hours?

Yep. You should be able to set your timezone on the forum

Lol, rimmer

Non-content.

At this point, I start to realize that my prodding her worked. She is participating more.

If the wagons will be frozen like this, then I have no other option than switching over to Creature and trust the senses of those voting for him.

I'm down for this. I find myself agreeing more and more with dizzy that you make more sense as town here, and I suspected creature early. Let's try it. [VOTE: creature] aubergine

Three posts prior, she was convinced she should stay on Rej. Then, rej himself convinces her to vote on an opposing lynch train.

Okay?

Day 2

RIP dizzy, and guess I can't read sig for shit. I like owner's "cluster" theory and think Mac is town; would be willing to lynch epi for sure.

This is nutella's first mention of Epi beyond saying it's weird that LC and Epi are posting the way they are.

And he's bad?
And Mac is town?

I haven't seen enough out of Mac either way.

I am proposing a Lunalee / Creature / Michelle team.

I got that, and I dig it.

You might recall that literally one post ago, nutella was saying she'd lynch the guy giving her a suggestion that she voices openness to.
Why? What gives?

You guys can dislike my fickle agreements with things all you want but they are sincere. I liked owner's thoughts on epi, and now I like epi's case on Luna/creature/Michelle even more (I already suspected creature and I have not felt good about any of Luna's posts). I'm not convinced epi is town from it, I'm still not totally clear on how many factions are at play but even if he is really hunting scum he's not necessarily town. However, I have been imagining him as being on sig's team, so is there another team such that that could be true as well as his proposed suspects? I really need to actually read the setup lol.

Sure.
Nutella is known waffler. She often doesn't taken real stances.
But she's not really even doing that. She's only hugging other people's suspicions and then complaining those suspicions aren't being created fast enough for her.

Spoiler: show

......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol

The infamous post that I called out because for the second time, it's striking me that nutella isn't really producing content, but rather complaining that others aren't.

Cool cool cool so Jack is bad. Good to know

Jack is bad because he says he's behind.
I actually dig that if Jack never follows up.

Spoiler: show

.....oh yeah who is that and what happened to them lol

A piggyback on LC.

......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol

do you know that you have control of the amount of content in the thread?

Not when I'm not fucking here? Seriously dude you need to work on prioritizing your callouts to things that actually matter, not non-existent issues

What matters?
Why don't you tell me? Seriously. Tell me.
Because I've read every post you've made and made a post by post commentary and I'm unsure on what matters to you.

You also are making me work.

1) That she confused Creature for Rej
2) That she voted at the last minute despite it being an inopportune time
3) That she innocently voted for a civilian when the person she said she said she suspected was up for lynch
4) That she felt the need to vote at all despite being uninformed (as she claimed).

That's a lot to buy.

This is a good summary. [VOTE: luna] aubergine

An Epi piggyback-- someone she said she'd lynch at dawn.

Spoiler: show

no one:
me: huh im just here to catch up from when I wasn't here, surprised other players haven't posted more
dom: uhm sweaty guess u should have posted more while you weren't here so you could at least catch up on your own posts :-))))
epi: haha yeah u so rite
dom: rite??? she must be bad lmao
me: stares into the camera like on the office

In which nutella appropriates a meme to make fun of me and the guy who she's following into a lynch.

That's the problem though. Dom is only commenting on things that are a whole lot of nothing

I've yet to figure out what is "something".

I'm here, doing a read back. Started with Luna as she has votes and seems crucial to judge.

So it seems like the crux of the case on her is that ok day 1 she basically said eww don't like this creature post and also supported rej a bit but then came in at the last minute and quietly voted rej which essentially lynched him?

If she had more posts on day 1 I would agree that this looks bad, but we are talking about a single mention of creature and a single mention of rej so I'm not sure I am on board.

I appreciate this perspective and I think it sounds sincere. Not sure if I agree yet but I'm certainly not 100% confident about Luna.

Okay. this is actually very typical nutella. She often times isn't staunch in her beliefs. However...
What are her other options? She's not weighing them. She's not being thoughtful. That's not good.

Dom 2.1

This is in depth and critical ISO day 2 but it’s too generous? (For Dom) Is that the correct read? It seems off tone wise. Since Nutella isn’t scum it isn’t “distancing but giving outs” (unless Dom was a cult recruit) but it’s enough of a shift from how I’ve seen Dom in other games or even from Dom’s tone when less focused in this game (see day 0 or really any of his more jokey posts which are sharper) to throw me off

[TonyStarkPrime]

I'm cool with dragomir, lunalee or nutella going. Maybe creature.

Salad! I found it Creature I figured it out it’s this.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Especially when dealing with straight facts.

You haven't presented a single one.

I'm cool with dragomir, lunalee or nutella going. Maybe creature.

Do you any preference?

I kept my vote where it was and I'm happy with the result.

Tag me when someone does something worth reading

Does Mac leave the work to others a lot?

No.

Fuck me im not caught up. Point me towards the cases on Luna and Drago (or whoever).

lol this reeks.

On my note about it being worth noticing if JoH ever catches back up etc.

......hello-o-ooo??!?? kinda expected to have more to read here lol

I am not going to argue with it since I am so far behind.

I don't see much progress from here. Just one thing where he asked lunalee to respond to a point he made.

Yeah sue me.

ok [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

......that's not even a case

and yet it nailed you-- didn't it?

it's literally just a summary of my posts there is no thesis

sometimes you don't need to be so arrogant to arrive at an errant conclusion.

I am back. Who should I vote for?

not me.

Watch me fuck this up.

This is not tmi but rather a losing streak eating my self confidence.

....yikes

[VOTE: luna] aubergine

nutella’s vote for me is silly, but they always are. Why does she have votes?

Cause she’s contributing nothing and throwing shade.

I took a quick glance at her posts and did not get this impression.

A few things that have been said about luna looked good to me, and she made one post earlier that looked like mafia trying to downplay suspicion. That constitutes a strong vote for me at this moment in time.

She’s called me scum twice for no good reason.

There's reason.
She needed to go, but she wasn't wrong about you.


let's remmeber nutella was bad.
where does that lead us?

Dom still being an equal opportunity attacker.
Dom when you made this vote I was also voting for Jack. Do you still think Jack is scum?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Thats the end of the 3:30 Dom ISO. It was rather short lived, some high quality posts and reactions but very little in terms of full substance in analysis. It also all feels off to me. The thing with sig seems forced, the case on Rej (and Nutella for that matter) seems noncommittal for how much effort was put in on Dom’s part, it just seems off.

[Dragomir]

Okay we’re lynching Luna today. If anyone has a reason not to lynch Luna speak now.

Seeing as the day’s plan is clear, let’s try to not waste the day and pretend Luna has just died and we’re doing night 3 analysis, seeing that the thread is locked during night 3.

If Luna flips scum I think Creature is the obvious target day 4 but I don’t think that’s the right one.

I'd rather she be vigged. She's practically confirmed scum in everyone's eyes based on a possible red peek. I don't really see any info her lynch could gain so she's better off vigged while others who provide more info should be lynched.

This is also suspicious to me. A mafioso who feels he is in a good place can redirect the lynch while recommending a civilian kill (and potentially waste a shot on) Lunalee.

What makes you think that I feel like I'm a good place?

Are you?

Idk. Answer my question.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

dragon d. Luffy, can you clarify this, in the roles?

"Once per night, she can use her expertise in violence to make her night kill a super-kill, allowing to bypass all defenses."

So, this person can superkill every night?

It's not an extra kill, it's a boost to the mafia's NK. If Bang performs it, the kill cannot be stopped by doctors and bulletproofs, assuming Bang does not use her own doctor ability that night.

And yes, it can be done every night.

[juliets]

Good morning everyone. Welcome back Epi and Dizzy!

I was unexpectedly busy last night and now have to go to work. I should be home sometime mid-afternoon and will apply myself to the game.

I read through the posts from last night/this morning and can at least say I am not seeing a scum LC based on his reaction post. Also, [mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention] you mentioned my reaction post after Epi died - was there something you found problematic about that post?

Be back this afternoon.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

After this game, I would love to have a conversation about the balance implications of replacing a player with a dead player and saying replacements can't be lynched on the phase they replace in.

I'm not saying this is a problem. I'm saying I want to talk about it when it doesn't have a direct effect on an ongoing game.

You can NK me though <3

(But seriously, I had discussions about dead player replacing in before, and there's definitely things one can discuss. But since I was asked I answered.)

The long and the short of my opinion is "scum players should have to approve replacements consisting of any players they had any hand in eliminating."

Like if I'm scum and I eliminate a player because they are a scary townie or because they suspect me, the host should not then put them right back in the game.

But if the sker kills that same scary player, wolf Jack shouldn't have a say in them coming back or not.

Also, I just find the "no lynching replacements" thing fascinating and haven't played out the game theory of what that would mean for a game. I think that shouldn't happen at lylo and there are some problematic things like a red peeked wolf vigilante replacing out and now the town can't lynch them and the wolves get an extra kill via replacement. Overall, I do think giving replacements a free day is certainly a nice thing to do for replacements. Like replacing in and getting lynched for scummy things the old player did sucks and that's one reason players don't like to sign up as replacements. Another is having to act without catching up and this gives the players a guaranteed amount of time to catch up and then make an impact.

So it's probably a net positive except in some corner cases.

If it helps, the game's rules say no replacements of any kind will happen after Night 4.

I hate LyLo replacements even more than I hate modkills.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Like, I've noticed the probability of me getting lynched as a civilian skyrockets when someone replaces the game late. Because all the work I had to convince people I'm just weird and not suspicious has to be restarted for the new guy.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Last, but not least:

[mention]Quin[/mention] replaced [mention]Poison Chan[/mention]

[Quin]

Hi, I'm Quin 2.0.

Goodnight.

[Long Con]

Dat Dom player salad tho.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm cool with dragomir, lunalee or nutella going. Maybe creature.

Salad! I found it Creature I figured it out it’s this.

Lol gottem

[Jackofhearts2005]

After this game, I would love to have a conversation about the balance implications of replacing a player with a dead player and saying replacements can't be lynched on the phase they replace in.

I'm not saying this is a problem. I'm saying I want to talk about it when it doesn't have a direct effect on an ongoing game.

You can NK me though <3

(But seriously, I had discussions about dead player replacing in before, and there's definitely things one can discuss. But since I was asked I answered.)

The long and the short of my opinion is "scum players should have to approve replacements consisting of any players they had any hand in eliminating."

Like if I'm scum and I eliminate a player because they are a scary townie or because they suspect me, the host should not then put them right back in the game.

But if the sker kills that same scary player, wolf Jack shouldn't have a say in them coming back or not.

Also, I just find the "no lynching replacements" thing fascinating and haven't played out the game theory of what that would mean for a game. I think that shouldn't happen at lylo and there are some problematic things like a red peeked wolf vigilante replacing out and now the town can't lynch them and the wolves get an extra kill via replacement. Overall, I do think giving replacements a free day is certainly a nice thing to do for replacements. Like replacing in and getting lynched for scummy things the old player did sucks and that's one reason players don't like to sign up as replacements. Another is having to act without catching up and this gives the players a guaranteed amount of time to catch up and then make an impact.

So it's probably a net positive except in some corner cases.

If it helps, the game's rules say no replacements of any kind will happen after Night 4.

I hate LyLo replacements even more than I hate modkills.

I hate lylo replacements but I hate going into lylo where the town literally cannot win for lack of active votes even more.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Dom[/dom]] aubergine