Girl Genius (END)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dunno

Don't love the Michelle votes.

Why?

Michelle look town to you?

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Michelle offers this lone post in defense of Rej D1. That’s it.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

@Michelle tell us about yourself as a mafia player. Where do you come from, what’s your strategy? What are you looking for or looking at in this game right now? Does anyone or anything stand out?

I played one alias game with Michelle and I also believe she was in the Champs game with the representative from PerC, which I followed.

I would definitely recommend lynching Michelle at all costs.

ngl the "at all costs" is really ugly

i liked the post #470
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 10#p548810

Oh, and also didn't like Michelle's entry to the game that much.

again about me, sorry i didn't have time to make an entry to please you. That much doesn't mean at all yet you vote me after.

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

That first thing wasn't serious, if that wasn't obvious.

Also, hi Luna, hi! Nice to see you again. I'm totally town this time though. <3

For me was not obviously a not serious thing

posts 476 and 477 contains reads on many players, i like this.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 16#p548816

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

Regarding this though =p

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

^

Spoiler: show

This was my first thought too; though I don’t think it’s accurate. My guess on generic = has similar reads to him.

I’ll answer one of the questions: rej flip is the obvious answer, but I think Drago or Epi is the more interesting bet.

Generic being same reads doesn't make sense to me.
But I do agree Drag probably would be the most exciting flip

noted this

[Timmer is scum]

Can someone tell me about Rej's meta? Cause this post is so weird.
Lots of people have expressed suspicion on Rej. Why would Timmer be the opportunistic one?

This is the second time when i like in a townish way your post because usually scum don't ask about meta to check a player. I've played around 3 games with Rej, 2 as town and 1 as scum. As scum he never defend himself like he did today here. I am not 100% sure but the suspicion on him came from miswording and he may be civ.

i don't feel to continue this, idk your meta but i am not scum reading now you because you made few villagery movements.

I feel like the read from Michelle is genuine. I don't know how I feel about "i like in a townish way". i feel like there would be a natural way to say that without it coming up funky, but I guess you do you, Michelle.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Michelle offers this lone post in defense of Rej D1. That’s it.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

@Michelle tell us about yourself as a mafia player. Where do you come from, what’s your strategy? What are you looking for or looking at in this game right now? Does anyone or anything stand out?

I played one alias game with Michelle and I also believe she was in the Champs game with the representative from PerC, which I followed.

I would definitely recommend lynching Michelle at all costs.

ngl the "at all costs" is really ugly

i liked the post #470
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 10#p548810

Oh, and also didn't like Michelle's entry to the game that much.

again about me, sorry i didn't have time to make an entry to please you. That much doesn't mean at all yet you vote me after.

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

That first thing wasn't serious, if that wasn't obvious.

Also, hi Luna, hi! Nice to see you again. I'm totally town this time though. <3

For me was not obviously a not serious thing

posts 476 and 477 contains reads on many players, i like this.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 16#p548816

Yo, why you so set on lynching Michelle?

Regarding this though =p

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

^

Spoiler: show

This was my first thought too; though I don’t think it’s accurate. My guess on generic = has similar reads to him.

I’ll answer one of the questions: rej flip is the obvious answer, but I think Drago or Epi is the more interesting bet.

Generic being same reads doesn't make sense to me.
But I do agree Drag probably would be the most exciting flip

noted this

[Timmer is scum]

Can someone tell me about Rej's meta? Cause this post is so weird.
Lots of people have expressed suspicion on Rej. Why would Timmer be the opportunistic one?

This is the second time when i like in a townish way your post because usually scum don't ask about meta to check a player. I've played around 3 games with Rej, 2 as town and 1 as scum. As scum he never defend himself like he did today here. I am not 100% sure but the suspicion on him came from miswording and he may be civ.

i don't feel to continue this, idk your meta but i am not scum reading now you because you made few villagery movements.

I feel like the read from Michelle is genuine. I don't know how I feel about "i like in a townish way". i feel like there would be a natural way to say that without it coming up funky, but I guess you do you, Michelle.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Dunno

Don't love the Michelle votes.

What's wrong with the michelle votes? Or right now I think it is only one vote.

What's right about a michelle vote?

I'm not crazy about your deflection, Dom.

But I don't really see Michelle's presence in the thread. (yeah, I'm one to talk; thanks for noticing. But if I'm really looking at the thread, it's like there's not enough umph for me to be like you and say that she's the wrong lynch for today.

Like what has she done to tip the scales for you?

She's voted for Timmer, Lunalee, Creature, and Timmer again. And it looks like she didn't even vote day 1. What town doesn't vote day 1?

Like priorities man, right now I'm fine with the vote on Michelle.

I might be voting there today.

I like Timmer. I liked Creature before they died.

In my mind, Michelle has potential to be mafia scum.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Let's make it official.

[Dom]

those four are either timmer
or
voted for creature over sabie and then suddenly found sabie suspicious

A townie does this because they suspected both players.

A wolf does this because...?

(Yes, I know wolves do things just to do things but I want to know why this is suspicious to you.)

A baddie looks for easy lynches. This often leads to a trail of insincere, forced, or meaningless votes.
I don't think it's that bizarre.

Dunno

Don't love the Michelle votes.

Why?

Michelle look town to you?

Why?
Michelle look bad to you?

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I guess Drag slipped off activity at some point? Or is he posting more at my speed with bursts of content stuffs?

[Dom]

Dunno

Don't love the Michelle votes.

What's wrong with the michelle votes? Or right now I think it is only one vote.

What's right about a michelle vote?

I'm not crazy about your deflection, Dom.

But I don't really see Michelle's presence in the thread. (yeah, I'm one to talk; thanks for noticing. But if I'm really looking at the thread, it's like there's not enough umph for me to be like you and say that she's the wrong lynch for today.

Like what has she done to tip the scales for you?

She's voted for Timmer, Lunalee, Creature, and Timmer again. And it looks like she didn't even vote day 1. What town doesn't vote day 1?

Like priorities man, right now I'm fine with the vote on Michelle.

I might be voting there today.

I like Timmer. I liked Creature before they died.

In my mind, Michelle has potential to be mafia scum.

Sure. Potential.
Why am I defending someone I haven't voted for instead of you defending your vote for her... ?
That seems ass-backwards.

[Dom]

I guess Drag slipped off activity at some point? Or is he posting more at my speed with bursts of content stuffs?

no posts since day 4.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Sure. Potential.
Why am I defending someone I haven't voted for instead of you defending your vote for her... ?
That seems ass-backwards.

Last I checked, I asked you a question, and you flat out deflected. I don't care that you're not voting for them. I was curious why you thought the votes on her were bad.

I kind wanted to see both sides of the coin here. But all I got, is more of reason to look into Dom if Michelle turns out to be a baddie.

[Dom]

lol ok

that's just sloppy and lazy but k

[Jackofhearts2005]

those four are either timmer
or
voted for creature over sabie and then suddenly found sabie suspicious

A townie does this because they suspected both players.

A wolf does this because...?

(Yes, I know wolves do things just to do things but I want to know why this is suspicious to you.)

A baddie looks for easy lynches. This often leads to a trail of insincere, forced, or meaningless votes.
I don't think it's that bizarre.

Dunno

Don't love the Michelle votes.

Why?

Michelle look town to you?

Why?
Michelle look bad to you?

I'm not saying it's bizarre. I'm saying it doesn't help Timmer to stick his neck out for Sabie once. But thats stupid cause he was the counterwagon.

Mostly. Her reads are consistent but also not super believable and they keep landing her on not Sabie votes when the vote counts are close. If Timmer flips town, I will massively scumread Michelle and if he flips scum, much of my Michelle suspicion disappears.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sure. Potential.
Why am I defending someone I haven't voted for instead of you defending your vote for her... ?
That seems ass-backwards.

Last I checked, I asked you a question, and you flat out deflected. I don't care that you're not voting for them. I was curious why you thought the votes on her were bad.

I kind wanted to see both sides of the coin here. But all I got, is more of reason to look into Dom if Michelle turns out to be a baddie.

I have a really stupid reason to think Dom is town and also he seems pretty much like town Dom. (But I've never seen scum Dom so take that with a grain of salt.)

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm not going to say what the stupid reason is.

[Dom]

those four are either timmer
or
voted for creature over sabie and then suddenly found sabie suspicious

A townie does this because they suspected both players.

A wolf does this because...?

(Yes, I know wolves do things just to do things but I want to know why this is suspicious to you.)

A baddie looks for easy lynches. This often leads to a trail of insincere, forced, or meaningless votes.
I don't think it's that bizarre.

Dunno

Don't love the Michelle votes.

Why?

Michelle look town to you?

Why?
Michelle look bad to you?

I'm not saying it's bizarre. I'm saying it doesn't help Timmer to stick his neck out for Sabie once. But thats stupid cause he was the counterwagon.

Mostly. Her reads are consistent but also not super believable and they keep landing her on not Sabie votes when the vote counts are close. If Timmer flips town, I will massively scumread Michelle and if he flips scum, much of my Michelle suspicion disappears.

....so what you're saying is that you're putting the cart before the horse with a timmer lynch?

Sure. Potential.
Why am I defending someone I haven't voted for instead of you defending your vote for her... ?
That seems ass-backwards.

Last I checked, I asked you a question, and you flat out deflected. I don't care that you're not voting for them. I was curious why you thought the votes on her were bad.

I kind wanted to see both sides of the coin here. But all I got, is more of reason to look into Dom if Michelle turns out to be a baddie.

I have a really stupid reason to think Dom is town and also he seems pretty much like town Dom. (But I've never seen scum Dom so take that with a grain of salt.)

This feels not possibly true.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If you think I called for sabie's head and then tried to save my unreplaceable teammate who isn't here, then

Here's the thing, Epi.

The more I play mafia, the more I think about wolf strategy in terms of numbers and endgame.

Scum needs X mislynches. Scum needs Y players to survive until endgame.

Sabie wasn't surviving til endgame. If you're scum, I don't think you blast her and then try to save her. I think you blast her but not hard enough to stop Creature from getting lynched and then you say Timmer's scum with her and try to mislynch Timmer before and after Sabie swings.

The goal isn't to save Sabie and get her to endgame or even to use her power one more time. It's to get a mislynch while the mislynching is good.

That's not unreasonable.

[Jackofhearts2005]

those four are either timmer
or
voted for creature over sabie and then suddenly found sabie suspicious

A townie does this because they suspected both players.

A wolf does this because...?

(Yes, I know wolves do things just to do things but I want to know why this is suspicious to you.)

A baddie looks for easy lynches. This often leads to a trail of insincere, forced, or meaningless votes.
I don't think it's that bizarre.

Dunno

Don't love the Michelle votes.

Why?

Michelle look town to you?

Why?
Michelle look bad to you?

I'm not saying it's bizarre. I'm saying it doesn't help Timmer to stick his neck out for Sabie once. But thats stupid cause he was the counterwagon.

Mostly. Her reads are consistent but also not super believable and they keep landing her on not Sabie votes when the vote counts are close. If Timmer flips town, I will massively scumread Michelle and if he flips scum, much of my Michelle suspicion disappears.

....so what you're saying is that you're putting the cart before the horse with a timmer lynch?

I think Michelle flips scum more often than Timmer in this scenario and I don't want to subtract 1 from X just to read Michelle better. I can be convinced otherwise. So convince me.

Sure. Potential.
Why am I defending someone I haven't voted for instead of you defending your vote for her... ?
That seems ass-backwards.

Last I checked, I asked you a question, and you flat out deflected. I don't care that you're not voting for them. I was curious why you thought the votes on her were bad.

I kind wanted to see both sides of the coin here. But all I got, is more of reason to look into Dom if Michelle turns out to be a baddie.

I have a really stupid reason to think Dom is town and also he seems pretty much like town Dom. (But I've never seen scum Dom so take that with a grain of salt.)

This feels not possibly true.

When's the last time you randed scum?

[timmer]

I'm heading back home from a trip to see a lady, I'll post tomorrow but tonight im driving in the rain for too long and then crashing on my bed when I get home

[TonyStarkPrime]

Everyone who suspects me raise your hand lol.

this is a scum Jack sentence

why aren't you voting for him?

Okay Drago how did you feel about the Sabie lynch? Pro or anti?

This was ragomir's last post.
Weird you think he'd respond to this... unless...

1. Town Jack gets influenced by scummy Jack. It makes him arrogant. Though generally town Jack just seems very confused until he accidentally solves the game.
2. I see no connection between his post and what I asked him.

[Dom]

If you think I called for sabie's head and then tried to save my unreplaceable teammate who isn't here, then

Here's the thing, Epi.

The more I play mafia, the more I think about wolf strategy in terms of numbers and endgame.

Scum needs X mislynches. Scum needs Y players to survive until endgame.

Sabie wasn't surviving til endgame. If you're scum, I don't think you blast her and then try to save her. I think you blast her but not hard enough to stop Creature from getting lynched and then you say Timmer's scum with her and try to mislynch Timmer before and after Sabie swings.

The goal isn't to save Sabie and get her to endgame or even to use her power one more time. It's to get a mislynch while the mislynching is good.

That's not unreasonable.

So... what you're telling me is my suspicion of creature-sabie voters is well founded?

Do you have actual, coherent thoughts or do you just spew the bullshit that gets you through the next fifteen seconds?

those four are either timmer
or
voted for creature over sabie and then suddenly found sabie suspicious

A townie does this because they suspected both players.

A wolf does this because...?

(Yes, I know wolves do things just to do things but I want to know why this is suspicious to you.)

A baddie looks for easy lynches. This often leads to a trail of insincere, forced, or meaningless votes.
I don't think it's that bizarre.

Dunno

Don't love the Michelle votes.

Why?

Michelle look town to you?

Why?
Michelle look bad to you?

I'm not saying it's bizarre. I'm saying it doesn't help Timmer to stick his neck out for Sabie once. But thats stupid cause he was the counterwagon.

Mostly. Her reads are consistent but also not super believable and they keep landing her on not Sabie votes when the vote counts are close. If Timmer flips town, I will massively scumread Michelle and if he flips scum, much of my Michelle suspicion disappears.

....so what you're saying is that you're putting the cart before the horse with a timmer lynch?

I think Michelle flips scum more often than Timmer in this scenario and I don't want to subtract 1 from X just to read Michelle better. I can be convinced otherwise. So convince me.

Sure. Potential.
Why am I defending someone I haven't voted for instead of you defending your vote for her... ?
That seems ass-backwards.

Last I checked, I asked you a question, and you flat out deflected. I don't care that you're not voting for them. I was curious why you thought the votes on her were bad.

I kind wanted to see both sides of the coin here. But all I got, is more of reason to look into Dom if Michelle turns out to be a baddie.

I have a really stupid reason to think Dom is town and also he seems pretty much like town Dom. (But I've never seen scum Dom so take that with a grain of salt.)

This feels not possibly true.

When's the last time you randed scum?

So... what you're saying is that Michelle's alignment is dependent on Timmers but you want to lynch Michelle first, and yet again spare Timmer....

interesting

[Dom]

Everyone who suspects me raise your hand lol.

this is a scum Jack sentence

why aren't you voting for him?

Okay Drago how did you feel about the Sabie lynch? Pro or anti?

This was ragomir's last post.
Weird you think he'd respond to this... unless...

1. Town Jack gets influenced by scummy Jack. It makes him arrogant. Though generally town Jack just seems very confused until he accidentally solves the game.
2. I see no connection between his post and what I asked him.

You actually expect him to respond?

[TonyStarkPrime]

You mean do I expect him to continue to participate in this game?

No. But I mean

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m not going to act as if I don’t expect him to continue.

[Dom]

I could totally have a conversation with people who aren't gonna respond too. Is it going to help us get baddies?

Y'all seem rather uninterested in being productive.

[Dom]

[mention]Michelle[/mention]-- who should we lynch and why?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Hello, all! This is my first game here. Here's hoping I don't die N1. And also hoping I didn't jinx it with that. What's the etiquette on this forum for that kinda thing?

Welcome! Just have fun and try your best. Have you played on other sites?

Who is rainyday now?

Let’s play a game. Sabie makes more or less one post a day. This is one of those posts. Does she ever do that if this is a mafia teammate?

[TonyStarkPrime]

Rainyday is Epi

[Dom]

TBH no clue.

[Dom]

That's a good observation, though.

I just don't know sabie well enough.

[Dom]

[mention]juliets[/mention]-- what do you think?

[Dom]

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] has the most posts in the thread. I don't know what any of them are anymore.
That's a problem.

[Michelle]

Good morning everyone

I've read today's posts and i don't have time before work to quote and stuff.
I will answer to Jack as shortly as i can because monday is my busiest day at work.

[Michelle]

@Michelle-- who should we lynch and why?

can't guess tbh.
I need to read some ISOs so i will answer in 8 hours or so.
I still have timmer as suspicious but i need to see what he (she?) will post. What their meta is?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dom, I’m saying a Timmer flip will effect my Michelle read.

That doesn’t mean I don’t have a Michelle read.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hello, all! This is my first game here. Here's hoping I don't die N1. And also hoping I didn't jinx it with that. What's the etiquette on this forum for that kinda thing?

Welcome! Just have fun and try your best. Have you played on other sites?

Who is rainyday now?

Let’s play a game. Sabie makes more or less one post a day. This is one of those posts. Does she ever do that if this is a mafia teammate?

Sure.

[Jackofhearts2005]

11 players +Quin
3 scum, 1 sk, 7 townies.

Townies are Jack, very likely Tony, very likely Dom.

4 more townies. Gth Juliets and Dizzy are town too.

2 townies in Epi, Michelle, Sprityo, Timmer, Owner, Drago.

Epi and Michelle both antialigned with Timmer, particularly Epi.

I want some gth reads on the ugly pack. Who are the two townies there?

[juliets]

@juliets-- what do you think?

Sorry, I don't know either. My gut feel is she doesn't do it if Rainy is a teammate.

[juliets]

11 players +Quin
3 scum, 1 sk, 7 townies.

Townies are Jack, very likely Tony, very likely Dom.

4 more townies. Gth Juliets and Dizzy are town too.

2 townies in Epi, Michelle, Sprityo, Timmer, Owner, Drago.

Epi and Michelle both antialigned with Timmer, particularly Epi.

I want some gth reads on the ugly pack. Who are the two townies there?

GTH I would pick Epi and Owner as town.

[juliets]

I don't have time this morning to walk through what I want to regarding voting Creature then sabie but I will do so as soon as I get home from work, probably about 4:00.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm here for a little bit. 3 mafia and 1 Indy left. I need to catch up on last day phase and this

[Dom]

Dom, I’m saying a Timmer flip will effect my Michelle read.

That doesn’t mean I don’t have a Michelle read.

....right....

"I think Michelle is bad. But I'll know if she's bad if timmer isn't. Therefore, I should lynch Michelle first!"

What.

@juliets-- what do you think?

Sorry, I don't know either. My gut feel is she doesn't do it if Rainy is a teammate.

That is my gut feeling, but

[Dyslexicon]

I don't trust Dyslexicon either. I think Sloonei was bad.

Can you say why? I can't answer for Sloonmeister obviously, but I can answer for me.

[Quin]

you should all lynch epi actually

[Dyslexicon]

Why is Dizzy scummy?

It's more about Sloonei than Dizzy. I'll say that much.

Bad Sloonei has an uncanny way of showing his hand eventually. He's subbed out, so that can never be ascertained. All Dizzy2 has to do is replicate what Dizzy 1 was doing, and if the civilians were on such a shitty streak, as they were, that wouldn't be hard to do.

It’s very simple for Dizzy to just pretend he never died. As far as the psychology of it goes it’d be much easier if he’d normally skate it in to just take his town role as opposed to fully assume his usual wolf attire.

Why did mafia take out Quin last night? Anyone know?

I've never tried to sub in as a different alignment before, but I definitely don't understand why that would be "easier". Anyway, I'm still town, and I'm glad I got the chance to sub in again, cause I was pretty annoyed with how D1 went and dying N1 as well. So I was already invested in the game when I came in again. Jack may be buddying me, but it's true that I prefer playing town waaaaaay more than scum.

[Dyslexicon]

you should all lynch epi actually

Maybe.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Dom, I’m saying a Timmer flip will effect my Michelle read.

That doesn’t mean I don’t have a Michelle read.

....right....

"I think Michelle is bad. But I'll know if she's bad if timmer isn't. Therefore, I should lynch Michelle first!"

What.

This is correct reasoning if you don’t think Timmer is scum and you do think Michelle is scum. It’s obviously correct reasoning. It’s not particularly controversial.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why is Dizzy scummy?

It's more about Sloonei than Dizzy. I'll say that much.

Bad Sloonei has an uncanny way of showing his hand eventually. He's subbed out, so that can never be ascertained. All Dizzy2 has to do is replicate what Dizzy 1 was doing, and if the civilians were on such a shitty streak, as they were, that wouldn't be hard to do.

It’s very simple for Dizzy to just pretend he never died. As far as the psychology of it goes it’d be much easier if he’d normally skate it in to just take his town role as opposed to fully assume his usual wolf attire.

Why did mafia take out Quin last night? Anyone know?

I've never tried to sub in as a different alignment before, but I definitely don't understand why that would be "easier". Anyway, I'm still town, and I'm glad I got the chance to sub in again, cause I was pretty annoyed with how D1 went and dying N1 as well. So I was already invested in the game when I came in again. Jack may be buddying me, but it's true that I prefer playing town waaaaaay more than scum.

I’ll hesitantly trust better opinions on this one. Also can’t really imagine anyone who’d rather be Town than scum but I think I might be an odd one out on that.

[Quin]

you should all lynch epi actually

Maybe.

day 5 epi was literally just reaffirming every five minutes that he supports a sabie lynch with every post in between condemning it instead

gottem

[Epignosis]

If you think I called for sabie's head and then tried to save my unreplaceable teammate who isn't here, then

Here's the thing, Epi.

The more I play mafia, the more I think about wolf strategy in terms of numbers and endgame.

Scum needs X mislynches. Scum needs Y players to survive until endgame.

Sabie wasn't surviving til endgame. If you're scum, I don't think you blast her and then try to save her. I think you blast her but not hard enough to stop Creature from getting lynched and then you say Timmer's scum with her and try to mislynch Timmer before and after Sabie swings.

The goal isn't to save Sabie and get her to endgame or even to use her power one more time. It's to get a mislynch while the mislynching is good.

That's not unreasonable.

Here's the thing, Jack.

sabie doesn't get lynched unless I say, "I want to lynch sabie.". She was on nobody's radar. I was receptive to lynching Creature too. If I'm sabie's teammate, I can easily facilitate the Creature lynch and string up a different civilian next.

Your accusation against me, that I mastermindedly made sure Creature got lynched first, is silly. The poll was tied. Had sabie gotten the rope first, this conversation would be very different.

[Quin]

Today was unexpectedly taxing and I'm going to be at the dentist office all afternoon. My advice is to lynch someone other than sabie. I realize that sounds bassackwards, but the fact is there's multiple mafia members skating by. Catch a live one. I'll be back tomorrow evening.

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