Inception [END]

[Creature]

@Creature, you voted for me out of the blue, at least I don't remember you calling out a suspicion of me. I know you have moved your vote but I'd like to know why you voted me.

I think I have stated multiple times I had some degree of suspicion on you. I also noticed some players also had you as a scumread.

[juliets]

Someone really familiar with TonyStark should give me a summary of how his current game compares to his town meta.

bump

I have such a gut suspicion that Tony is a wolf. Someone help me out.

Well I agree with you on that. So if you're asking for someone to help you out of the tunnel, afraid I can't help you there. Willing to give you another shovel to keep digging though.

I'm about to ISO him so I'll let your know my opinion [mention]Benson[/mention].

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Let's see, then.

[Creature]

I don't really want to mislynch Rej again, but he's looking bad this game tbqh

[112]

the elephant talks like he's secretly a robot wearing a costume.

[vanity.]

tonystarkprime can go on the naughty list for shading me and then peacing out

[TonyStarkPrime]

Caught up.

, you have twice now said I'm bad, both times in what I would call an off-handed way. Can you talk about that? What specifically are you seeing?

, you voted for me out of the blue, at least I don't remember you calling out a suspicion of me. I know you have moved your vote but I'd like to know why you voted me.

TonyStarkPrime, you may have said why you voted Pawn but I evidently missed it. Can you explain?

I'm seeing too many people as town or null and not enough scum. I'm going to do some ISOs and see if I can remedy that.

Pawn said something I didn’t like then said something else I didn’t like and then I voted for him/her

[Hyena]

Is there a pattern here?

Nah, just trying to make wagons more serious.

Was Tony still voting Juliets when you joined that wagon?

No

Was /anyone/ on Juliets when you joined it?

No, but multiple players seemed to scumread juliets

Ah, okay, works for me. You're cool.

I want to bite everyone who scumread juliets but didn't vote for her.

[TonyStarkPrime]

tonystarkprime can go on the naughty list for shading me and then peacing out

Hey I was just getting to that

[Master Radishes]

I followed along a bit at work today. Just got home.

I think the biggest takeaway from the Eva/Nute dichotomy is that Jack is probably town. This is good, as I was ready to scumread him for a lacklustre opening to the game. But his angle on Eva/Nute seems way too much effort for a scum to take on a fight that, one presumes, involves one or two town.

Welcome to my town, Jack.

I don't know if I agree. What if he's scum while nute and eva are town and he just wants to look good for shutting down an erroneous case?

What if you're just a scum trying to make me doubt my read? We can play the 'what if' game all day, but (a) scum!Jack is more likely to let two townies go at it; and (b) the manner in which he dismantled Eva's reasoning was insightful and beyond the effort scum tend to put in when angling for future town cred.

Ah benson beat me to it. A) scum jack absolutely would try to pocket me rather than leave the topic alone, B) I disagree, he didn't really put in that much effort (sprit put in more) and even if he did that's within Jack's wolf range.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I just would expect scum to say 'this is a bad case, Eva's reads are bad' but Jack went through and compared the charts and found the lack of connections and all that. I like it.

[Benson]

Someone really familiar with TonyStark should give me a summary of how his current game compares to his town meta.

bump

I have such a gut suspicion that Tony is a wolf. Someone help me out.

Well I agree with you on that. So if you're asking for someone to help you out of the tunnel, afraid I can't help you there. Willing to give you another shovel to keep digging though.

Yes. More shovels please

[vanity.]

Caught up.

, you have twice now said I'm bad, both times in what I would call an off-handed way. Can you talk about that? What specifically are you seeing?

, you voted for me out of the blue, at least I don't remember you calling out a suspicion of me. I know you have moved your vote but I'd like to know why you voted me.

TonyStarkPrime, you may have said why you voted Pawn but I evidently missed it. Can you explain?

I'm seeing too many people as town or null and not enough scum. I'm going to do some ISOs and see if I can remedy that.

Pawn said something I didn’t like then said something else I didn’t like and then I voted for him/her

[nutella]

gonna try parsing hyena vs evenstar real quick

the fact that they're not finding each other is raising red flags but independently speaking i think both are very villagery

Oh this is an interesting point.


Idk if I trust you completely though. But I mostly agree with your do not lynch list at least.

[Long Con]

What's AtE?

Appeal to emotion.

Thanks... I don't see nutella's responses as AtE then. She's allowed to call bullshit on things without it being that.

Cool. I don't either. Are you townreading her?

No.

[Hyena]

Someone really familiar with TonyStark should give me a summary of how his current game compares to his town meta.

bump

I have such a gut suspicion that Tony is a wolf. Someone help me out.

Well I agree with you on that. So if you're asking for someone to help you out of the tunnel, afraid I can't help you there. Willing to give you another shovel to keep digging though.

Use it to bury him.

[vanity.]

gonna try parsing hyena vs evenstar real quick

the fact that they're not finding each other is raising red flags but independently speaking i think both are very villagery

Oh this is an interesting point.


Idk if I trust you completely though. But I mostly agree with your do not lynch list at least.

that's fine, i haven't been overtly obvious villager with my spam-y posting at tbe moment but i'm trying when i can

you might've picked up on it, but if hyena and evenstar perceive their town games to be similar, and they're not finding each other, it's making me think something is there. though i understand any given game a disconnect can happen between 2 villas, as i've seen it before elsewhere

eva is definitely more in her chaos-posty archetype too but i don't want to touch her at all

[Hyena]

vanity
iaafr
hyena
mr
evenstar
nutella
jack
creature

all probably v's, would never lynch in here today

Okay. You don't trust Mac right now? Also, I should probably mess with iaafr when he's around.

[vanity.]

vanity
iaafr
hyena
mr
evenstar
nutella
jack
creature

all probably v's, would never lynch in here today

Okay. You don't trust Mac right now? Also, I should probably mess with iaafr when he's around.

i haven't read anything from mac recently that unequivocally convinces me he's a villager since i last read him as v

should probably iso him but he's not someone i would lynch today either

[Hyena]

gonna try parsing hyena vs evenstar real quick

the fact that they're not finding each other is raising red flags but independently speaking i think both are very villagery

Oh this is an interesting point.


Idk if I trust you completely though. But I mostly agree with your do not lynch list at least.

that's fine, i haven't been overtly obvious villager with my spam-y posting at tbe moment but i'm trying when i can

you might've picked up on it, but if hyena and evenstar perceive their town games to be similar, and they're not finding each other, it's making me think something is there. though i understand any given game a disconnect can happen between 2 villas, as i've seen it before elsewhere

eva is definitely more in her chaos-posty archetype too but i don't want to touch her at all

No comment
yet.

[nutella]

[mention]juliets[/mention] it's a vague tonal thing but I admit I have gotten you wrong this way a fair amount. If I redid my list now you'd be one group up in the lighter orange while probably some of those people would move down.

[Hyena]

vanity
iaafr
hyena
mr
evenstar
nutella
jack
creature

all probably v's, would never lynch in here today

Okay. You don't trust Mac right now? Also, I should probably mess with iaafr when he's around.

i haven't read anything from mac recently that unequivocally convinces me he's a villager since i last read him as v

should probably iso him but he's not someone i would lynch today either

Okay, cool. I was thinking the same.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I followed along a bit at work today. Just got home.

I think the biggest takeaway from the Eva/Nute dichotomy is that Jack is probably town. This is good, as I was ready to scumread him for a lacklustre opening to the game. But his angle on Eva/Nute seems way too much effort for a scum to take on a fight that, one presumes, involves one or two town.

Welcome to my town, Jack.

I don't know if I agree. What if he's scum while nute and eva are town and he just wants to look good for shutting down an erroneous case?

What if you're just a scum trying to make me doubt my read? We can play the 'what if' game all day, but (a) scum!Jack is more likely to let two townies go at it; and (b) the manner in which he dismantled Eva's reasoning was insightful and beyond the effort scum tend to put in when angling for future town cred.

Ah benson beat me to it. A) scum jack absolutely would try to pocket me rather than leave the topic alone, B) I disagree, he didn't really put in that much effort (sprit put in more) and even if he did that's within Jack's wolf range.

Lol let me pocket you.

[vanity.]

Elephant's mafia and is just going to slip by to the end somehow, calling it now.

actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

This feels like galaxy brain. I like galaxy brain.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

ok this is the only thing that bothers me about mac's iso looking at it through a vacuum

before he asks others about their reads on 112, and then sheep's a read on 112's later? i don't really see progression here. it's kinda like a... PLINKO BOARD

yeah the sheep here just seems weird and out of place overall

[nutella]

I followed along a bit at work today. Just got home.

I think the biggest takeaway from the Eva/Nute dichotomy is that Jack is probably town. This is good, as I was ready to scumread him for a lacklustre opening to the game. But his angle on Eva/Nute seems way too much effort for a scum to take on a fight that, one presumes, involves one or two town.

Welcome to my town, Jack.

I don't know if I agree. What if he's scum while nute and eva are town and he just wants to look good for shutting down an erroneous case?

What if you're just a scum trying to make me doubt my read? We can play the 'what if' game all day, but (a) scum!Jack is more likely to let two townies go at it; and (b) the manner in which he dismantled Eva's reasoning was insightful and beyond the effort scum tend to put in when angling for future town cred.

Ah benson beat me to it. A) scum jack absolutely would try to pocket me rather than leave the topic alone, B) I disagree, he didn't really put in that much effort (sprit put in more) and even if he did that's within Jack's wolf range.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I just would expect scum to say 'this is a bad case, Eva's reads are bad' but Jack went through and compared the charts and found the lack of connections and all that. I like it.

Except I've seen scum jack and I don't think you're familiar with him (correct me if I'm wrong). He has fooled me before by putting in townish high effort as scum.

[Spiny Creature]

Jimmy has said I can let you guys know that I've requested a replacement for my slot.

NAI, just have RL stress kicking my ass right now and it's making this game feel more like yet another chore to get to and making me grumpy and stressed whenever I am here.

Have fun tho, and thanks for inviting me [mention]MacDougall[/mention] ! I'd like to come back and try out Syndicate games some other time, I like this place.

My final request is for there to be more thirsty gifs of both Ellen Page and Joseph Gordon Levitt. This is an Inception game, people, get your act TOGETHER.

[Master Radishes]

I followed along a bit at work today. Just got home.

I think the biggest takeaway from the Eva/Nute dichotomy is that Jack is probably town. This is good, as I was ready to scumread him for a lacklustre opening to the game. But his angle on Eva/Nute seems way too much effort for a scum to take on a fight that, one presumes, involves one or two town.

Welcome to my town, Jack.

I don't know if I agree. What if he's scum while nute and eva are town and he just wants to look good for shutting down an erroneous case?

What if you're just a scum trying to make me doubt my read? We can play the 'what if' game all day, but (a) scum!Jack is more likely to let two townies go at it; and (b) the manner in which he dismantled Eva's reasoning was insightful and beyond the effort scum tend to put in when angling for future town cred.

Ah benson beat me to it. A) scum jack absolutely would try to pocket me rather than leave the topic alone, B) I disagree, he didn't really put in that much effort (sprit put in more) and even if he did that's within Jack's wolf range.

Agree to disagree, I guess. I just would expect scum to say 'this is a bad case, Eva's reads are bad' but Jack went through and compared the charts and found the lack of connections and all that. I like it.

Except I've seen scum jack and I don't think you're familiar with him (correct me if I'm wrong). He has fooled me before by putting in townish high effort as scum.

Speaking generally:

How much do you value meta reads? I find them a hindrance more than a help at a certain point, and I'm actively trying to avoid doing it w.r.t Benson and 112. It's nice seeing players through a pair of naive eyes.

[nutella]

Elephant's mafia and is just going to slip by to the end somehow, calling it now.

actually, let's just cut off the infected part while it's early.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

This feels like galaxy brain. I like galaxy brain.

[VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

ok this is the only thing that bothers me about mac's iso looking at it through a vacuum

before he asks others about their reads on 112, and then sheep's a read on 112's later? i don't really see progression here. it's kinda like a... PLINKO BOARD

yeah the sheep here just seems weird and out of place overall

Agree. The elephant wagon gave me weird vibes in general even though I mostly townread the people on it (still hesitant on 112)

[nutella]

Sorry to see you go spiny.

[vanity.]

Jimmy has said I can let you guys know that I've requested a replacement for my slot.

NAI, just have RL stress kicking my ass right now and it's making this game feel more like yet another chore to get to and making me grumpy and stressed whenever I am here.

Have fun tho, and thanks for inviting me @MacDougall ! I'd like to come back and try out Syndicate games some other time, I like this place.

My final request is for there to be more thirsty gifs of both Ellen Page and Joseph Gordon Levitt. This is an Inception game, people, get your act TOGETHER.

here's a gif though!

[nutella]

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention] I value them maybe at 50% ish depending on the player/circumstances. Basically I just think this is within Jack's scum range and that's worth being aware of.

[112]

gonna try parsing hyena vs evenstar real quick

the fact that they're not finding each other is raising red flags but independently speaking i think both are very villagery

Oh this is an interesting point.


Idk if I trust you completely though. But I mostly agree with your do not lynch list at least.

that's fine, i haven't been overtly obvious villager with my spam-y posting at tbe moment but i'm trying when i can

you might've picked up on it, but if hyena and evenstar perceive their town games to be similar, and they're not finding each other, it's making me think something is there. though i understand any given game a disconnect can happen between 2 villas, as i've seen it before elsewhere

eva is definitely more in her chaos-posty archetype too but i don't want to touch her at all

vanity lock town

[juliets]

Creature, you voted for me out of the blue, at least I don't remember you calling out a suspicion of me. I know you have moved your vote but I'd like to know why you voted me.

I think I have stated multiple times I had some degree of suspicion on you. I also noticed some players also had you as a scumread.

Ok I'll take a look at your ISO when I finish TSP.

As for multiple people scum reading me, do you not look at the why behind the read? If you do than I want to know what the reasoning is that you agree with. Or are you just saying "where there's smoke there must be fire"?

[Master Radishes]

@Master Radishes I value them maybe at 50% ish depending on the player/circumstances. Basically I just think this is within Jack's scum range and that's worth being aware of.

Cool, will be aware.

Peanut butter > nutella by the way.

[Master Radishes]

vanity lock town

You're late to the game on this one.

[112]

@Master Radishes I value them maybe at 50% ish depending on the player/circumstances. Basically I just think this is within Jack's scum range and that's worth being aware of.

Cool, will be aware.

Peanut butter > nutella by the way.

Yeah but peanut butter + nutella > peanut butter

[vanity.]

gonna try parsing hyena vs evenstar real quick

the fact that they're not finding each other is raising red flags but independently speaking i think both are very villagery

Oh this is an interesting point.


Idk if I trust you completely though. But I mostly agree with your do not lynch list at least.

that's fine, i haven't been overtly obvious villager with my spam-y posting at tbe moment but i'm trying when i can

you might've picked up on it, but if hyena and evenstar perceive their town games to be similar, and they're not finding each other, it's making me think something is there. though i understand any given game a disconnect can happen between 2 villas, as i've seen it before elsewhere

eva is definitely more in her chaos-posty archetype too but i don't want to touch her at all

vanity lock town

[Pawn Lelouch]

My question is: how many time did you play with Creature and what posts exactly gave you for him the top town position (after yourself)?

I've only ever actually played with him one time, Color Wheel Mafia. Where he left a fairly significant impression as to his town play style, especially after I spectated Anni and hated myself for reading every post. There was some fairly striking differences between the two. And I've seen him in one or two other games but I fully admit that I don't remember which.

And for why I'm TRing him? Just gonna quote myself here

I'll admit I'm not quite sure how to articulate it. Just a combination of it being a striking exact example of how he had been playing and reading through Anni where he was scum and strikingly different in his approach if I had to guess.

My issue is that this isn't enough for me to normally give even a town lean like I have on him now. And I'm trying to figure out why my gut is pushing this one so hard.

[vanity.]

fuck

[juliets]

@juliets it's a vague tonal thing but I admit I have gotten you wrong this way a fair amount. If I redid my list now you'd be one group up in the lighter orange while probably some of those people would move down.

Ok thanks for the explanation.

[nutella]

vanity lock town

You're late to the game on this one.

hmmm

radish

are you scum

[Master Radishes]

vanity lock town

You're late to the game on this one.

hmmm

radish

are you scum

No.

For the crowd: when did this became a viable scumhunting technique?

[Master Radishes]

All that talk about TSP and no one is voting him with me. I am disappoint.

[Evenstar]

aight so

I was in the middle of doing a re-eval when the nutella thing happened

so let's actually finish the re-eval and see if that affects my reads any

Juliets, Michelle: Both have two pages of posting but haven't voted. Major scumpoints for both.

Texas: Has a bad habit of not voting until the last minute, so their lack of a vote so far is probably NAI. Still gonna start side-eyeing them if they continue to not put their vote where their mouth is.

Trustworthy Liberal: Had a super wolfy pop in earlier that I forgot to factor into my read. Lurking, but that's pretty par for the course. Think I have him on the wrong side of null anyway.

Spiny Creature: Lack of a vote so far is NAGL, but doesn't wipe out my townread. Does reduce it a bit though.

Macdougall, Iaafr: Both Pawn and Nutella are townreading both of these people. Therefore they're both probably actually town, based on the principle that if two people agree on little else but X, X is probably true. I was already feeling uneasy about these reads, so this just confirms I'm wrong.

Elephant: By the same token, both of them are scumreading elephant and I'm not, so I'm probably wrong about him too. Which tallies given that I mostly don't want to engage with his taxingly verbose posting style.

Hyena: ... I was going to back off my read here on the basis that the Epignosis thing was NAI if he's town, but it still must be said that his case on Spiny was utter bullshit. That kind of prank doesn't strike me as Town!Hyena. But his tone has been good otherwise, and he's doing the prodding thing he does when he's town.

[mention]Hyena[/mention]: Can you explain what you were doing WRT Spiny?


So then does this make me agree more with Nutella or not

well, obviously it does because I moved three of my reads towards hers deliberately

but the activity information implicates TL, Juliets and Spiny, which moves them all towards Nutella's reads

I'm also very torn about Hyena, she could well be right about him being town

Ugh.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] I'm assuming you're town for the moment. Give me your feels about Nutella and Hyena.

[mention]iaafr[/mention]: I recall you had a case against Nutella earlier for being "limp" and having bad tone. Did you have any more concrete accusations or was it just a toneread? While you're at it, what's your impression of Hyena?

Annnnd [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

[Benson]

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

[vanity.]

evenstar being so obsessed about her reads being wrong is extremely hard to read into

i want to call it villagery but it's just so odd.

[Master Radishes]

We're at that stage of D1 where I go from townreading everyone for stupid reasons to scumreading everyone for stupid reasons.

[nutella]

vanity lock town

You're late to the game on this one.

hmmm

radish

are you scum

No.

For the crowd: when did this became a viable scumhunting technique?

It's more of a way to vocalize that I have a sudden concern about you, more of a rhetorical question

[Master Radishes]

evenstar being so obsessed about her reads being wrong is extremely hard to read into

i want to call it villagery but it's just so odd.

I was going the other direction on it, as per my above post.

[Michelle]

Spoiler: show

Hmm. I'm not fully satisfied by sprityo's defense. It's not raised him much towards green for me.

That said, I'm ready at this point to hop off and put my vote elsewhere. Maybe TSP, who I feel has sort of slipped through my peripheral a number of times. I could also be convinced to hop on the 112 wagon.

'i could ... be convinced' feels like you're wanting to rely on other's opinions more than your own.

What's your opinion?

Well, I think you're probably town, but I had to test your reflexes. And I don't think I'm a good lynch.

You don't think you are a good lynch meaning you are not sure about it? How come?

[nutella]

[mention]Evenstar[/mention] juliets tends to save her vote for later/stronger reasons I think, probably nai (light culture note here, some of us here on the syndicate used to play with non-changeable votes a lot so there's still some mindset of waiting to vote, but for the most part we've gotten used to changeable votes on the last few years)