Inception [Inception Phase 4]

[iaafr]

ive had a very similar thought process on mac but im chalking it up to him not actually caring about the meat of the game that much in a towny way...?

[iaafr]

and his reactions to being pushed still feel more town than scum

if he was playing scum in a way where he constantly offtopics except when pushed and then acts like pushes on him are all annoying and bs

idk

i dont think thats how mac would play it

[MacDougall]

nah i just don't see the same mac i saw in the other games i played with you

i could be the different setting- i'm just not sold on you being town and don't particularly think you've done anything you couldn't replicate in your wolf game. maybe i'm wrong. i read a bit of your d1 iso during d1 and came away really liking you, but i don't have the liberty of going back to that any longer and don't know how much i should trust you.

i don't see the depth of your thought i saw before and you had an extremely weird response to me when i complained of real-life taking a toll on me yesterday

I don't ever play like I did in champs. That was big mac 3 at least. Welcome to normal Mac.

Also between spending 48 hrs looking for my passport and 12 with vomiting children well ... you're lucky you've got the depth of thought you have.

What was weird exactly?

[MacDougall]

Right now I am phone posting in bed with a toddler laying on my arm. I'm just here so I won't get fined.

I've already decided who I'm voting for anyway.

[112]

okay

sorry you're having a tough time

[Jackofhearts2005]

112, are you gonna tell me why my null reads are scum or what?

[112]

112, are you gonna tell me why my null reads are scum or what?

are you gonna needlessly shade me until you give yourself away like i hope you're doing?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Texas isn't in our group so you gotta start picking up scumreads from in here

I do agree on Texas tho

That’s so much work tho

[Jackofhearts2005]

112, are you gonna tell me why my null reads are scum or what?

are you gonna needlessly shade me until you give yourself away like i hope you're doing?

Getting pretty sick of you and Radishes both responding to legitimate questions with “bah shade” “bah smears.”

You called me scum.

jack posted a scum's list, not sure why nobody's calling him on it

And me asking you to back up your read is not “shade.”

[iaafr]

hi third member of your scum pool here

your scum

[112]

i'm not going to talk about players who aren't in this dream, but nova's pretty clearly scum and imo your scum pool resembles right but is probably quite wrong.

like, i think everything you seem to be having below null is <rand. maybe i'm making too many level 5 reads that i'm wifoming myself out, but it really looks like you're trying to push bad lynches to me and are picking the best players you can to fit that strategy.

maybe it's not the null so much i disagree with as much as believing most of the wolf team is above your scum-lean point while few of it seem below it based on what you've pushed in the thread.

you seem very over-interested in clearing yourself rather than particularly solving anyone, and i don't think you've responded to pushes in the way a civ would in this way

[112]

hi third member of your scum pool here

your scum

he howl

[Jackofhearts2005]

i'm not going to talk about players who aren't in this dream, but nova's pretty clearly scum and imo your scum pool resembles right but is probably quite wrong.

like, i think everything you seem to be having below null is <rand. maybe i'm making too many level 5 reads that i'm wifoming myself out, but it really looks like you're trying to push bad lynches to me and are picking the best players you can to fit that strategy.

maybe it's not the null so much i disagree with as much as believing most of the wolf team is above your scum-lean point while few of it seem below it based on what you've pushed in the thread.

you seem very over-interested in clearing yourself rather than particularly solving anyone, and i don't think you've responded to pushes in the way a civ would in this way

I’m trying to solve you and you won’t answer a simple question.

Why do you think my null list has scum in it?

[112]

112, are you gonna tell me why my null reads are scum or what?

are you gonna needlessly shade me until you give yourself away like i hope you're doing?

Getting pretty sick of you and Radishes both responding to legitimate questions with “bah shade” “bah smears.”

You called me scum.

jack posted a scum's list, not sure why nobody's calling him on it

And me asking you to back up your read is not “shade.”

it wasn't phrased nicely. a gentle reminder would have been better appreciated. :[

[112]

i'm not going to talk about players who aren't in this dream, but nova's pretty clearly scum and imo your scum pool resembles right but is probably quite wrong.

like, i think everything you seem to be having below null is <rand. maybe i'm making too many level 5 reads that i'm wifoming myself out, but it really looks like you're trying to push bad lynches to me and are picking the best players you can to fit that strategy.

maybe it's not the null so much i disagree with as much as believing most of the wolf team is above your scum-lean point while few of it seem below it based on what you've pushed in the thread.

you seem very over-interested in clearing yourself rather than particularly solving anyone, and i don't think you've responded to pushes in the way a civ would in this way

I’m trying to solve you and you won’t answer a simple question.

Why do you think my null list has scum in it?

because i think nova's scum and you had nova in the null section.

[Jackofhearts2005]

i'm not going to talk about players who aren't in this dream, but nova's pretty clearly scum and imo your scum pool resembles right but is probably quite wrong.

like, i think everything you seem to be having below null is <rand. maybe i'm making too many level 5 reads that i'm wifoming myself out, but it really looks like you're trying to push bad lynches to me and are picking the best players you can to fit that strategy.

maybe it's not the null so much i disagree with as much as believing most of the wolf team is above your scum-lean point while few of it seem below it based on what you've pushed in the thread.

you seem very over-interested in clearing yourself rather than particularly solving anyone, and i don't think you've responded to pushes in the way a civ would in this way

I’m trying to solve you and you won’t answer a simple question.

Why do you think my null list has scum in it?

because i think nova's scum and you had nova in the null section.

Why is Nova scum?

[Epignosis]

Today was a circus. I would not have been surprised to have looked out into the hall and spied a juggling bear on a unicycle. I saw plenty else.

[Master Radishes]

Today was a circus. I would not have been surprised to have looked out into the hall and spied a juggling bear on a unicycle. I saw plenty else.

Did someone say you were a teacher? Me too. I empathise.



@all - I think I'm going to drift off. Ping me for whatever.

[112]

i'm not going to talk about players who aren't in this dream, but nova's pretty clearly scum and imo your scum pool resembles right but is probably quite wrong.

like, i think everything you seem to be having below null is <rand. maybe i'm making too many level 5 reads that i'm wifoming myself out, but it really looks like you're trying to push bad lynches to me and are picking the best players you can to fit that strategy.

maybe it's not the null so much i disagree with as much as believing most of the wolf team is above your scum-lean point while few of it seem below it based on what you've pushed in the thread.

you seem very over-interested in clearing yourself rather than particularly solving anyone, and i don't think you've responded to pushes in the way a civ would in this way

I’m trying to solve you and you won’t answer a simple question.

Why do you think my null list has scum in it?

because i think nova's scum and you had nova in the null section.

Why is Nova scum?

because i trust MR and agree with his analysis of the wagon; and I think Eva being town, which I believe and want to rely on, makes nova ever more likely to be scum than most other players, particularly to me because I have private knowledge of my alignment.

i have been pinged reading some of their posts this game and don't think they have a good presence.

[112]

[Epignosis]

Today was a circus. I would not have been surprised to have looked out into the hall and spied a juggling bear on a unicycle. I saw plenty else.

Did someone say you were a teacher? Me too. I empathise.

What's your subject?

I'm going to watch spooky stuff for a while and if I have the strength I'll return to talk more.

[112]

ok jack let's just town-read each other, how about it?

[112]

112 picking up legit steam here

what if there are wolves only in one dream :o

[Jackofhearts2005]

ok jack let's just town-read each other, how about it?

Spoiler: show

Idk. I’ll think about it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

112 picking up legit steam here

what if there are wolves only in one dream :o

Can’t be. If scumteam is Leo’s crew, they need somebody alive to kick them awake. So really, town should win by eliminating the wolves at the top level.

[Dom]

Dom's push on me still stupid and he's still shading me without actually engaging with any of the reads (acts as if I didn't give any reads after implying my reads list is full of omgus [no u]????)

.....those are the reads you promised you needed to be in a better head space for?

[iaafr]

Dom's push on me still stupid and he's still shading me without actually engaging with any of the reads (acts as if I didn't give any reads after implying my reads list is full of omgus [no u]????)

.....those are the reads you promised you needed to be in a better head space for?

what about u dude wheres your actual insight

[iaafr]

what's even bad about them what the fuck you're shit talking without engaging again

[iaafr]

fuck you!

[iaafr]

fuck you!

imagine this said in a cartoonish exaggerated voice

[Pawn Lelouch]

...

Apperantly they are claiming they tried to deliver at 7:30 but didn't have access. Access to what you incompetent fucks? You were instructed to put it in the mailbox and if that didn't fit then on the doorstep.

I can feel my blood pressure rising already. This is gonna be a pain to fight properly since I needed this tonight to finish some of my homework that is due tomorrow.

And I still need to GM the next session of the FE3H game for my friends. They're holding literally everything up and has made my week a hell of bureaucracy.

[iaafr]

condolences pawn

I'm not sure you can call a week a bureaucracy idiomatically like that

but yea sounds like hell

[Jackofhearts2005]

...

Apperantly they are claiming they tried to deliver at 7:30 but didn't have access. Access to what you incompetent fucks? You were instructed to put it in the mailbox and if that didn't fit then on the doorstep.

I can feel my blood pressure rising already. This is gonna be a pain to fight properly since I needed this tonight to finish some of my homework that is due tomorrow.

And I still need to GM the next session of the FE3H game for my friends. They're holding literally everything up and has made my week a hell of bureaucracy.

You made a FE3H game without me?

[Pawn Lelouch]

...

Apperantly they are claiming they tried to deliver at 7:30 but didn't have access. Access to what you incompetent fucks? You were instructed to put it in the mailbox and if that didn't fit then on the doorstep.

I can feel my blood pressure rising already. This is gonna be a pain to fight properly since I needed this tonight to finish some of my homework that is due tomorrow.

And I still need to GM the next session of the FE3H game for my friends. They're holding literally everything up and has made my week a hell of bureaucracy.

You made a FE3H game without me?

It's an FI (Friend Insert). They quite literally know nothing of the original game outside of what info we GMs have given them and what they have been able to figure out (though we don't confirm it to then).

There's a fair amount of divergence early on already surprisingly.

[Epignosis]

i don't know how epi was accessing it so effortlessly

I did it all Night 1, before it got eaten.

Looks like I made a lucky decision.

[Epignosis]

pawn wheres your needle on me rn

I keep getting vibes you're the TMI bussy scum in this game, any way for me to rule that out?

Also I doubt you'll believe self meta for obvious reasons but I lean far more on the Beck side of the scale. I bus only when I have to and I'm not going to constantly call out a teammate as scummy and vote them up when there are other wagons available.

Especially when they are the godfather. It doesn't matter if I think they're being sleazy, I can work with that, I've certainly worked with worse. I'm not going to throw away that mechanical advantage for any level of credit Day 1.

You and I operate in the same way then.

[Epignosis]

You're assuming they have access to the old thread. Why?

No, I said had. The thread was locked, it was still visible. Only posting was restricted. Wouldn't be hard to ISO and grab quotes at night

What I was doing was assuming you were shading Epi for it with how you phrased your words.

I'm confused as to what shade I'd be throwing here.

My thought process of how your words lead your words potentially lead towards a conclusion is this.

Wondering how he had access so effortlessly. Wondering how he had access when we don't. Only those left behind have access. Town can't contact those left behind, while scum probably can. Epi is scum and getting info from teammates.

..."left behind".

That's specific.
Why do you say it?

Epi, your analysis of iaafr makes a lot of sense to me.

I appreciate that, but I'm torn. Do you draw an opinion one way or another?

I don't trust iaafr whatsoever.

...

Because I'm fairly certain we went down a level since we were the ones who lost access to the original thread. The fact that we lost it means that the others are likely all still posting there.

Hence, they were left behind on the first level while we went deeper. Not really that much to say there. It legitimately seems rather straightforward.

Epignosis, what do you think of this one?

I don't know that they don't have their own thread, entirely new and entirely separate. You do. Why?

If you are asking me to speculate on the mechanics of this "place," I will admit that I always assumed the participants had been split into two new threads- it had not occurred to me that a select group goes into a new "level" while everyone else remains behind. Vaguely remembering the film (I saw a long time ago and I was deep in my cups), that latter theory makes more sense, I think. If that's the case, then I would assume we have these special rules and everybody else gets a normal poll, etc. I would also assume mafia BTSC would be split accordingly, but really that's a guess on how I would run it.

To take it one step further, I would speculate that there are roles (or maybe even just one) that selects this group (aren't we special?).

I have to pay the mortgage.

[Epignosis]

the main issue I have with pawn is a negative space one where I'd assume he has more takes on my actual takes but he seems cagey

also this whole dom push on me is obviously scummy and scum pawn would be aware of that and it feels like he's on the fence about that too

I've already called him as shading Epi though? So I've already been calling him out. My issue right now is seeing if he's lying/joking or is serious about some of his takes.

Since I don't generally derp clear but he's doing it so consistently, if obv scummily from my perspective. So it's this weird case of conflicting views.

And the rest of the takes has been due to general household chores taking up time from me doing major commenting. Laundry, dinner, arguing about UPS needing signatures to drop off a laptop charger cord without signatures since they deliver during class times. You know, the usual stuff that is just kinda more difficult than usual to post while doing.

For whatever it's worth, I didn't interpret Dom's question that way.

[Epignosis]

iaafr = "I am a fucking rabbit."

Am I correct?

[Epignosis]

Let me state for the record that I made another lucky decision today. I did not try to read this thread at work.

[Pawn Lelouch]

iaafr = "I am a fucking rabbit."

Am I correct?

I am a fluffy rabbit actually.

[Epignosis]

I miss our rabbit. Haven't seen him in a while.

[Epignosis]

Anyway Epi's posts are performative, not informative and they're designed to seep into the nature of people's want for content.

It's IIoA. They say many words, but not much in the end.

More than that, they're doing the Bullets for Bullets tactic I outlined in my scum guide. It feels like the goal of the posts is to be unreadably long and make you skim and say generally "agreeable" things people can't exactly contest without strictly committing anywhere.

I feel like I'm reading a foreign language- I'm not familiar with many of these abbreviations and terms.

Let me see if I can transliterate and address what's here.

Anyway Epi's posts are performative, not informative

Everything in Mafia is "performative." Even not showing up qualifies (in a "John Cage" sort of way). You are correct in calling them not "informative," as they were not meant to provide more information (a curious irony, that, since my posts are the only relic of the old world anybody has).

and they're designed to seep into the nature of people's want for content.

I didn't design them to seep into anything. That's a strange assumption on your part, and another curious irony, which leads me to my grievance with you. You have made nineteen of twenty-four posts in which you either post a cartoon or complain about circumstances.

Your biggest annoyance would be that you cannot access the old thread.

While it is not perfect, I have at least provided everyone here with a partial access of the previous thread, with additional commentary. At not one point did you attempt to make lemonade out of cat piss. Toys out of the pram.

It's IIoA.

I don't get the reference.

They say many words, but not much in the end.

No, they do not say many words (from me). They only say many words because they are quotes from the people who said them. My commentary is rather terse.

Rather than comment on how "much" I've said in the end, why not comment on whether my observations are sharp or obtuse, and why?

More than that, they're doing the Bullets for Bullets tactic I outlined in my scum guide.

I don't know what that means, but I assume is means mafia players make lists (or should make lists- I've not had the privilege of purchasing or reading your guide).

It feels like the goal of the posts is to be unreadably long

I suppose Dostoevsky wanted to make me skim when he penned The Brothers Karamazov. Hmm.

No, the goal of the posts is to provide a semi-comprehensive overview of how each person interacted a known mafioso.

That you would regard those posts as "unreadably long" when you chose to spend your time here among us complaining and posting pictures of cartoons is unfortunate. Really unfortunate: You were here in some capacity from 11:20 pm EST Wednesday night to 4:05 am EST Thursday morning. That's over four-and-a-half hours in which you could have read even some of my observations and discussed them or raised questions about them.

and make you skim and say generally "agreeable" things people can't exactly contest without strictly committing anywhere.

I am not really sure that it is within my power to "make [someone] skim." People read or they skim or they ignore. I have no power over that. I likewise have no power over what others say in response. Why can't they contest the things I've said? What is wrong with getting people to make decisions?

There is no civilian reason to discredit my effort without attempting to engage with it in some capacity. If you believe I am mafia, then you should be able to show how the content of my effort is compatible with that hypothesis rather than merely claim that the effort itself is compatible with your hypothesis. That latter claim means nothing.

I hope you will respond.

Although...

oh dear...

I fear I have made this "unreadably long."

[iaafr]

IIoA = information instead of analysis, in reference to the belief that scum players tend to rehash the obvious and simply describe situations without having inserting significant amounts of independent thought more than town players, who naturally tend to have such independent thought, and don't need to force content by rehashing the obvious

[iaafr]

haha get it

[iaafr]

also i've never seen that usage of "transliterate" before

i've always seen it used literally e.g., "romaji is japanese sounds transliterated to the latin alphabet"

[iaafr]

why dont more people think lld is scum

its such a lazy bullshit push on epi

about as lazy bullshit as dom's push on me

[Epignosis]

IIoA = information instead of analysis, in reference to the belief that scum players tend to rehash the obvious and simply describe situations without having inserting significant amounts of independent thought more than town players, who naturally tend to have such independent thought, and don't need to force content by rehashing the obvious

Well then I don't see how she arrived at that at all.

[Pawn Lelouch]

why dont more people think lld is scum

its such a lazy bullshit push on epi

about as lazy bullshit as dom's push on me

Well let's see. You outright call her scum, Epi is hinting hard, I have her down pretty low. I know Eva town reads her but I honestly don't know the reads of the other players off the top of my head.

[iaafr]

new theory: all the syndicate regulars are scum and everybody else is town

this is now my readslist and i will be voting according to it