Inception [END]

[vanity.]

i've also just had a bad day today overall. i lost my car keys while fucking working and searched for almost an hour to no avail. it's probably coming out in my play, sorry

[nutella]

Pick the wolf in each pair (or say "no wolf/multiple wolves" if you want)

Elephant/Juliets
Boo/Long Con
Dfaraday/TLib
vanity/hyena (I'm a bit doubtful there'd be a wolf here, but whatever)
creature/nutella/ya boy benson

I have reason to think the first few groups have a wolf in each pair. The latter groups are more or less random.

juliets
boo
neither but maybe df
neither
none

[juliets]

Pick the wolf in each pair (or say "no wolf/multiple wolves" if you want)

Elephant/Juliets
Boo/Long Con
Dfaraday/TLib
vanity/hyena (I'm a bit doubtful there'd be a wolf here, but whatever)
creature/nutella/ya boy benson

I have reason to think the first few groups have a wolf in each pair. The latter groups are more or less random.

no wolves
boo
maybe df but need more data
no wolves
no wolves

If there's another one then I guess it's Elephant.

[juliets]

i've also just had a bad day today overall. i lost my car keys while fucking working and searched for almost an hour to no avail. it's probably coming out in my play, sorry

It's ok. I stepped away and calmed down.

[vanity.]

Pick the wolf in each pair (or say "no wolf/multiple wolves" if you want)

Elephant/Juliets
Boo/Long Con
Dfaraday/TLib
vanity/hyena (I'm a bit doubtful there'd be a wolf here, but whatever)
creature/nutella/ya boy benson

I have reason to think the first few groups have a wolf in each pair. The latter groups are more or less random.

oh let do this i suppose

elephant
long con
multiple wolves
none
none

kinda believe that this is just how juliets operates and i'm not catching her like this if she is a wolf.

[vanity.]

last thing i'll say because peacing for a bit is the one thing i'll give elephant is their case on me gives off... disappointment. disappointment about the way i'm playing, and how it's not villagery or up to snuff with my play in wc1. that i can understand. but it still feels just... like he's doing because he has to, that's still what bothers me i suppose

[Long Con]

Pick the wolf in each pair (or say "no wolf/multiple wolves" if you want)

Elephant/Juliets
Boo/Long Con
Dfaraday/TLib
vanity/hyena (I'm a bit doubtful there'd be a wolf here, but whatever)
creature/nutella/ya boy benson

I have reason to think the first few groups have a wolf in each pair. The latter groups are more or less random.

Elephant
Boo
TLib
vanity
uhhh... not-Benson

[Benson]

last thing i'll say because peacing for a bit is the one thing i'll give elephant is their case on me gives off... disappointment. disappointment about the way i'm playing, and how it's not villagery or up to snuff with my play in wc1. that i can understand. but it still feels just... like he's doing because he has to, that's still what bothers me i suppose

Yeah, I was not compelled. He just listed a lot of things but didn't dive into why they were wolfy. I haven't played with him but just from interacting with him these past days I get the feeling if he were a villager his reasons to vote you would have been more convincing.

[Benson]

Thanks for the answers everyone.

[Benson]

I'm feeling:

Elephant
Boo (still not sure about this though)
Dfaraday
none
none

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Just up and able to think now gonna catch up quickly

[Benson]

Just up and able to think now gonna catch up quickly

I've seen you at the bottom for the past hour. Lies?

[Benson]

I know activity hunting is gross but that's hard to ignore.

[Trustworthy Liberal]

Just up and able to think now gonna catch up quickly

I've seen you at the bottom for the past hour. Lies?

Yeah i've been here but not awake kinda thing if that makes sense Halloween party last night and taking dog out kept trying to pay attention but couldn't till now

[Benson]

Just up and able to think now gonna catch up quickly

I've seen you at the bottom for the past hour. Lies?

Yeah i've been here but not awake kinda thing if that makes sense Halloween party last night and taking dog out kept trying to pay attention but couldn't till now

[nutella]

Btw here is juliets' iso from a recent game where she was scum http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly

From a quick skim I want to say her play is subjectively similar here, with casing work and stuff, but for this to be a fair read I'd have to also look at a game where she was town. I suspt it would also be similar since she is pretty good at having a consistent style across games-- what I want to see is the small differences I've felt in this game like her recent AtE-ish post. So idk this is fairly inconclusive but in case anyone wants to take a look.

[boo]

Moivng to [VOTE: DF] aubergine because I have votes again so...

[boo]

Moving my vote to boo

[VOTE: boo] aubergine

I'm not clear on why I have yours?

[boo]

It's tough to judge vanity without ever having played with him before. Exasperated claims to his villagery-ness don't really do a lot for me.

I don't like the look of boo's hop on to the vanity vote though, it looks opportunistic. The "Did you miss the D1 lynch result? The only "we" that makes sense there is you're mafia..." is not something that feels like honest scumhunting either.

Looks like the TL wagon isn't really taking off, so I'll check out the boo one instead. [VOTE: spiny boo] aubergine

That was one in a series of responses I made to him, so I think you're missing a fair bit of context there.

I'm also not sure you're in a position to call me opportunistic and then say "so I'll check out [something else, opportunistically]" :P

[boo]

[VOTE: boo] aubergine

Like JC, I'm not clear on why I drew your vote?

[Benson]

[VOTE: boo] aubergine

Like JC, I'm not clear on why I drew your vote?

I did not like the way you popped in to vote Vanity. Your reasons, specifically, did not seem convincing.

[Benson]

[VOTE: boo] aubergine

Like JC, I'm not clear on why I drew your vote?

I did not like the way you popped in to vote Vanity. Your reasons, specifically, did not seem convincing.

To clarify, I didn't seem to me that you were actually convinced vanity was a wolf.

[juliets]

Moving my vote to boo

[VOTE: boo] aubergine

I'm not clear on why I have yours?

I have been wrestling with Spiny's behavior as it relates to the questions that Hyena was asking her and for now I'm agreeing with nutella that spiny focused on the Pawn town read issue but didn't focus well on Hyena's other points. What I don't like about my vote is that it has everything to do with Spiny and not you - I would prefer that not be the case. I am by no means sure that this is where I will end up.

Are you still in favor of a DFaraday vote?

[juliets]

Oops [mention]boo[/mention] you just voted DF so of course you're still in favor. The better question is why DF?

[boo]

Moving my vote to boo

[VOTE: boo] aubergine

I'm not clear on why I have yours?

I have been wrestling with Spiny's behavior as it relates to the questions that Hyena was asking her and for now I'm agreeing with nutella that spiny focused on the Pawn town read issue but didn't focus well on Hyena's other points. What I don't like about my vote is that it has everything to do with Spiny and not you - I would prefer that not be the case. I am by no means sure that this is where I will end up.

Are you still in favor of a DFaraday vote?

I'd prefer a policy-lynch on him that I have no other opinion on, than a lynch on me that I know hurts civs, yes.

[juliets]

Btw here is juliets' iso from a recent game where she was scum http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... sf=msgonly

From a quick skim I want to say her play is subjectively similar here, with casing work and stuff, but for this to be a fair read I'd have to also look at a game where she was town. I suspt it would also be similar since she is pretty good at having a consistent style across games-- what I want to see is the small differences I've felt in this game like her recent AtE-ish post. So idk this is fairly inconclusive but in case anyone wants to take a look.

There are also games where I am town that I'll provide a link to if anyone wants one.

[boo]

Oops @boo you just voted DF so of course you're still in favor. The better question is why DF?

Math, mostly.

[Benson]

Moivng to [VOTE: DF] aubergine because I have votes again so...

Why are these two things related?

[juliets]

Moving my vote to boo

[VOTE: boo] aubergine

I'm not clear on why I have yours?

I have been wrestling with Spiny's behavior as it relates to the questions that Hyena was asking her and for now I'm agreeing with nutella that spiny focused on the Pawn town read issue but didn't focus well on Hyena's other points. What I don't like about my vote is that it has everything to do with Spiny and not you - I would prefer that not be the case. I am by no means sure that this is where I will end up.

Are you still in favor of a DFaraday vote?

I'd prefer a policy-lynch on him that I have no other opinion on, than a lynch on me that I know hurts civs, yes.

Ok I thought that might be the reason, thanks. I'll continue to evaluate.

[Benson]

Moivng to [VOTE: DF] aubergine because I have votes again so...

Why are these two things related?

nvm that's kind of a silly question. But qualifying votes like that always worries me.

[boo]

Pick the wolf in each pair (or say "no wolf/multiple wolves" if you want)

Elephant/Juliets
Boo/Long Con
Dfaraday/TLib
vanity/hyena (I'm a bit doubtful there'd be a wolf here, but whatever)
creature/nutella/ya boy benson

I have reason to think the first few groups have a wolf in each pair. The latter groups are more or less random.

I don't like these as a matter of principle, and feel no differently here. So this is me acknowledging you did this, and saying no to it.

[Benson]

One more thing and I'll shut up.

In some of the games I've played where they split up the thread, once you are back with the big group you no longer have access to the split thread. Some you do have access. Because of that I'm saving some stuff in word documents like my voting records. You might want to do the same.

Shouldn't be a problem, this is the 'real' thread, since we have the whole post history. They would have had to make a new one for the other group(s), can't copy and paste them. Unless they blow up this thread and move everyone to the other one. That'd be kinda evil though.

Let's talk about this. Is it TMI? Or is it a reasonable inference?

[boo]

One more thing and I'll shut up.

In some of the games I've played where they split up the thread, once you are back with the big group you no longer have access to the split thread. Some you do have access. Because of that I'm saving some stuff in word documents like my voting records. You might want to do the same.

Shouldn't be a problem, this is the 'real' thread, since we have the whole post history. They would have had to make a new one for the other group(s), can't copy and paste them. Unless they blow up this thread and move everyone to the other one. That'd be kinda evil though.

Let's talk about this. Is it TMI? Or is it a reasonable inference?

Does TMI mean too much information when people are using it? I've seen it thrown out a lot this game, but in most contexts it only made a bit (if any) sense for that to be how people were using it.

[Benson]

One more thing and I'll shut up.

In some of the games I've played where they split up the thread, once you are back with the big group you no longer have access to the split thread. Some you do have access. Because of that I'm saving some stuff in word documents like my voting records. You might want to do the same.

Shouldn't be a problem, this is the 'real' thread, since we have the whole post history. They would have had to make a new one for the other group(s), can't copy and paste them. Unless they blow up this thread and move everyone to the other one. That'd be kinda evil though.

Let's talk about this. Is it TMI? Or is it a reasonable inference?

Does TMI mean too much information when people are using it? I've seen it thrown out a lot this game, but in most contexts it only made a bit (if any) sense for that to be how people were using it.

Yes. Too much information meaning you may be a wolf that knows certain details a villager wouldn't.

[boo]

One more thing and I'll shut up.

In some of the games I've played where they split up the thread, once you are back with the big group you no longer have access to the split thread. Some you do have access. Because of that I'm saving some stuff in word documents like my voting records. You might want to do the same.

Shouldn't be a problem, this is the 'real' thread, since we have the whole post history. They would have had to make a new one for the other group(s), can't copy and paste them. Unless they blow up this thread and move everyone to the other one. That'd be kinda evil though.

Let's talk about this. Is it TMI? Or is it a reasonable inference?

Does TMI mean too much information when people are using it? I've seen it thrown out a lot this game, but in most contexts it only made a bit (if any) sense for that to be how people were using it.

Yes. Too much information meaning you may be a wolf that knows certain details a villager wouldn't.

Gotcha.

It's literally just based on how posting works on forums like these. Duplicating a thread isn't possible. It'd be a security problem.

[Long Con]

One more thing and I'll shut up.

In some of the games I've played where they split up the thread, once you are back with the big group you no longer have access to the split thread. Some you do have access. Because of that I'm saving some stuff in word documents like my voting records. You might want to do the same.

Shouldn't be a problem, this is the 'real' thread, since we have the whole post history. They would have had to make a new one for the other group(s), can't copy and paste them. Unless they blow up this thread and move everyone to the other one. That'd be kinda evil though.

Let's talk about this. Is it TMI? Or is it a reasonable inference?

Enh, boo's not the only one to make some inferences. I think I posted something similar to his quote here.

[Long Con]

It's tough to judge vanity without ever having played with him before. Exasperated claims to his villagery-ness don't really do a lot for me.

I don't like the look of boo's hop on to the vanity vote though, it looks opportunistic. The "Did you miss the D1 lynch result? The only "we" that makes sense there is you're mafia..." is not something that feels like honest scumhunting either.

Looks like the TL wagon isn't really taking off, so I'll check out the boo one instead. [VOTE: spiny boo] aubergine

That was one in a series of responses I made to him, so I think you're missing a fair bit of context there.

I'm also not sure you're in a position to call me opportunistic and then say "so I'll check out [something else, opportunistically]" :P

Fair enough, but I already had some suspicion of your predecessor, so it wasn't that difficult to cast this vote.

[boo]

It's tough to judge vanity without ever having played with him before. Exasperated claims to his villagery-ness don't really do a lot for me.

I don't like the look of boo's hop on to the vanity vote though, it looks opportunistic. The "Did you miss the D1 lynch result? The only "we" that makes sense there is you're mafia..." is not something that feels like honest scumhunting either.

Looks like the TL wagon isn't really taking off, so I'll check out the boo one instead. [VOTE: spiny boo] aubergine

That was one in a series of responses I made to him, so I think you're missing a fair bit of context there.

I'm also not sure you're in a position to call me opportunistic and then say "so I'll check out [something else, opportunistically]" :P

Fair enough, but I already had some suspicion of your predecessor, so it wasn't that difficult to cast this vote.

Yea, I'm aware. But that I can't really do much about, so

[nutella]

One more thing and I'll shut up.

In some of the games I've played where they split up the thread, once you are back with the big group you no longer have access to the split thread. Some you do have access. Because of that I'm saving some stuff in word documents like my voting records. You might want to do the same.

Shouldn't be a problem, this is the 'real' thread, since we have the whole post history. They would have had to make a new one for the other group(s), can't copy and paste them. Unless they blow up this thread and move everyone to the other one. That'd be kinda evil though.

Let's talk about this. Is it TMI? Or is it a reasonable inference?

Does TMI mean too much information when people are using it? I've seen it thrown out a lot this game, but in most contexts it only made a bit (if any) sense for that to be how people were using it.

Yes. Too much information meaning you may be a wolf that knows certain details a villager wouldn't.

Gotcha.

It's literally just based on how posting works on forums like these. Duplicating a thread isn't possible. It'd be a security problem.

I find it unlikely that the hosts would deny others access to the thread history, so I assumed they figured out some way to duplicate it. Surely that's possible.

[boo]

And I hereby move that the combined name, rather than Spiny boo, should be Spoony, cause that's just fucking adorable.

[Benson]

One more thing and I'll shut up.

In some of the games I've played where they split up the thread, once you are back with the big group you no longer have access to the split thread. Some you do have access. Because of that I'm saving some stuff in word documents like my voting records. You might want to do the same.

Shouldn't be a problem, this is the 'real' thread, since we have the whole post history. They would have had to make a new one for the other group(s), can't copy and paste them. Unless they blow up this thread and move everyone to the other one. That'd be kinda evil though.

Let's talk about this. Is it TMI? Or is it a reasonable inference?

Does TMI mean too much information when people are using it? I've seen it thrown out a lot this game, but in most contexts it only made a bit (if any) sense for that to be how people were using it.

Yes. Too much information meaning you may be a wolf that knows certain details a villager wouldn't.

Gotcha.

It's literally just based on how posting works on forums like these. Duplicating a thread isn't possible. It'd be a security problem.

Huh, interesting. I just kinda assumed there was some way the other group(s) could see the posts from D1. Not having the ability to review the previous day would be pretty detrimental, but I suppose it fits the theme.

[juliets]

[mention]Trustworthy Liberal[/mention] do you have any reads or thoughts to share?

[boo]

One more thing and I'll shut up.

In some of the games I've played where they split up the thread, once you are back with the big group you no longer have access to the split thread. Some you do have access. Because of that I'm saving some stuff in word documents like my voting records. You might want to do the same.

Shouldn't be a problem, this is the 'real' thread, since we have the whole post history. They would have had to make a new one for the other group(s), can't copy and paste them. Unless they blow up this thread and move everyone to the other one. That'd be kinda evil though.

Let's talk about this. Is it TMI? Or is it a reasonable inference?

Does TMI mean too much information when people are using it? I've seen it thrown out a lot this game, but in most contexts it only made a bit (if any) sense for that to be how people were using it.

Yes. Too much information meaning you may be a wolf that knows certain details a villager wouldn't.

Gotcha.

It's literally just based on how posting works on forums like these. Duplicating a thread isn't possible. It'd be a security problem.

I find it unlikely that the hosts would deny others access to the thread history, so I assumed they figured out some way to duplicate it. Surely that's possible.

They may have provided ISOs, but no, actual duplication isn't. Every post is made by an account with a ton of background info, right? In order to duplicate a thread of all of that, you'd be pulling all that information again but changing things (the timestamps wouldn't be legit, for the most clear example). Short of an admin sock-puppeting every user and every post (which is possible but would be frowned upon, and without a script would take an unreasonable amount of time to accomplish), a proper duplication couldn't be made in a public forum.

[nutella]

I don't see how it couldn't just be a saved record of how the thread was at the time. I guess we have different understandings of how it could or could not work but I still strongly think the others must have some way to see it.

[nutella]

I mean, not being able to see past posts after a scum lynch sounds like Jay's personal hell.

[Long Con]

I want to give you some info on my next couple of days. I'm going to work shortly, and I won't be around at lynch time, though I'll be sneaking off to a bathroom in order to see what's going on if I can. Then it's night, and the thread gets closed 24 hours. Tomorrow morning, I go to an overnight Beavers camp with my son, at a canoe museum. So I won't really be in the thread to any great degree until Sunday... I guess we get back around noon. All times Eastern Standard.

I'll have my phone at the camp, and I'll probably be doing some catching up at bedtime. Don't know if I'll be posting, maybe some short phone thoughts.

[boo]

I don't see how it couldn't just be a saved record of how the thread was at the time. I guess we have different understandings of how it could or could not work but I still strongly think the others must have some way to see it.

Oh, I don't doubt they have ISOs available up until the end of D1. But it would still have to be something JJJ and sloonei posted in the new thread. But that isn't the same as duplicating a thread. ISOs are just post history neatly arranged by thread (a relatively simple automatic search filter compiling it). Duplicating a whole thread would essentially require hacking every user account that posted in the thread to re-post their post (as an admin user, then change the user that is shown to have made the post as the original user). There's no way something like that would be a built in feature on a public forum.

[Benson]

I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but Trustworthy's contributions on day 2 don't inspire any hope. It's like he's always doing the bare minimum of what's being asked.

[juliets]

I vote we should make boo our phpBB expert mod or admin and let him fix our technical annoyances and program bots. He can be our Makaze.

[juliets]

I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt but Trustworthy's contributions on day 2 don't inspire any hope. It's like he's always doing the bare minimum of what's being asked.

I know thats why I tagged him to see if we can get some reads or something. I'm getting antsy about his lack of contribution.