The Wire Mafia [END]

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hot potato Dunya?

[Long Con]

RE: Long Con looking bad on purpose, I can buy the philosophy in principle as LC is an old schooler who came up in the days where survival was top priority. It’s believable for him to have an impulse to shake off town reads. I am weighing this as I consider his alignment in this game right now.

However, I have two concerns that are not (and frankly cannot) be covered by this point:
1) WIFOM. Just as town LC could be inclined to deter town reads, I could also see scum LC pulling this as a stunt to confuse or shake suspicion. I must also acknowledge that announcing this plan in this way kind of negates it a little, as we now must either believe him or doubt him. If we believe him then he is an even stronger town read than before, so what was the point?
2) None of the points he raised are related to my suspicion. There are two main points I have against him. The first is that he and Rej did not look great in their interactions with one another. The second is his vote for me, which he seems to be maintaining even after revealing his self-destruct plan.

He remains a suspect, but I an considering this newest development as I weigh my vote.

Yeah, WIFOM is a possibility. Can't ever deny that. Yes, that "plan" is negated now, I don't want to be the lynch leader and that's how I chose to approach it.

I have discussed Rej tonight. I think you are bad, so my vote is on you. I think it more today than yesterday.

Is it still just because I was buddying you?

No. NANOOK's post about you made sense to me - "It's also notable that rej didn't vote on either of sloonei or Colin, which would've given him a chance to survive. // All told I think this points towards sloonei being scum--maybe Colin with his meaningless speedchuck vote, but I tend to think sloonei's votes look worse, coupled with rej not voting there."

After that I felt bad about you enough to realize I have already decided you're bad and so now I see how and why baddie Sloonei would act like you... it's not rock-solid by any means. I just believe it.

[Long Con]

Hot potato Dunya?

I don't suspect dunya.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hot potato Dunya?

I don't suspect dunya.

Do you...not not suspect Dunya?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Nanook posted some wagonomics thing about Sloonei and Colin I meant to follow up on regarding vote timing. Imma go find that.

[Long Con]

Nanook posted some wagonomics thing about Sloonei and Colin I meant to follow up on regarding vote timing. Imma go find that.

That's the one I was referencing.

[Sloonei]

RE: Long Con looking bad on purpose, I can buy the philosophy in principle as LC is an old schooler who came up in the days where survival was top priority. It’s believable for him to have an impulse to shake off town reads. I am weighing this as I consider his alignment in this game right now.

However, I have two concerns that are not (and frankly cannot) be covered by this point:
1) WIFOM. Just as town LC could be inclined to deter town reads, I could also see scum LC pulling this as a stunt to confuse or shake suspicion. I must also acknowledge that announcing this plan in this way kind of negates it a little, as we now must either believe him or doubt him. If we believe him then he is an even stronger town read than before, so what was the point?
2) None of the points he raised are related to my suspicion. There are two main points I have against him. The first is that he and Rej did not look great in their interactions with one another. The second is his vote for me, which he seems to be maintaining even after revealing his self-destruct plan.

He remains a suspect, but I an considering this newest development as I weigh my vote.

Yeah, WIFOM is a possibility. Can't ever deny that. Yes, that "plan" is negated now, I don't want to be the lynch leader and that's how I chose to approach it.

I have discussed Rej tonight. I think you are bad, so my vote is on you. I think it more today than yesterday.

Is it still just because I was buddying you?

No. NANOOK's post about you made sense to me - "It's also notable that rej didn't vote on either of sloonei or Colin, which would've given him a chance to survive. // All told I think this points towards sloonei being scum--maybe Colin with his meaningless speedchuck vote, but I tend to think sloonei's votes look worse, coupled with rej not voting there."

After that I felt bad about you enough to realize I have already decided you're bad and so now I see how and why baddie Sloonei would act like you... it's not rock-solid by any means. I just believe it.

This raises an interesting point, actually: I’ve been focused on where Rej did vote (Tony and Jack), but I hadn’t considered where he didn’t vote. Granted, he was absent for most of the end phase if I remember correctly. But he didn’t vote for Colin and Colin only voted for him as self-preservation at the last moment. If both of them are bad, I could see a world where scum wanted to make sure they didn’t both go down together.

[Sloonei]

Under no circumstances will I be voting for dunya today.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This is so much easier on MU.

[Sloonei]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] and [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] both have pointless votes right now.

Though I guess speedchuck has been a fringe suspect for some, so maybe colin’s is less of a waste. But I don’t see speed as a viable wagon today.

[Jackofhearts2005]

At the buzzer, votes are

Colin 5 - Jack, Boo, Sloonei, Tony, Nanook
Rej 5 - DDL, Jack, Sig, Dunya, Speed
Sloonei 5 - LC, Creature, Nanook, Sig, Nutella
Tony 6 - Rej, Dunya, Sloonei, Speed, Dunya, DDL

And Colin votes Rej. He chose to take Rej from 33% chance to lynch to 100% chance to lynch and himself and Sloonei from 33% to 0%.

If Colin is a wolf, the only reason he votes Rej is because Sloonei is also a wolf. Otherwise, he’d lynch good townie Sloonei over himself and good role partner Rej. A bus on Rej earns him no cred.

So under the idea that Rej is probably teamed with Sloonei and/or Colin and under the idea that Colin can only be a wolf if Colin and Sloonei are both wolves, Sloonei should go first.

If Sloonei flips wolf, we get a wolf and we reevaluate Colin with the knowledge that everything Sloonei said cane from a wolf. If Sloonei flips town, we know all his reads were real and we confirm mislynch bait Colin.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[Creature]

Dude!

I forgot the green text I guess?

Well I guess. More.... maybe you should keep an open window and type up some consecutive thoughts without pressing Submit so often?

That kinda defeats the point

[speedchuck]

At the buzzer, votes are

Colin 5 - Jack, Boo, Sloonei, Tony, Nanook
Rej 5 - DDL, Jack, Sig, Dunya, Speed
Sloonei 5 - LC, Creature, Nanook, Sig, Nutella
Tony 6 - Rej, Dunya, Sloonei, Speed, Dunya, DDL

And Colin votes Rej. He chose to take Rej from 33% chance to lynch to 100% chance to lynch and himself and Sloonei from 33% to 0%.

If Colin is a wolf, the only reason he votes Rej is because Sloonei is also a wolf. Otherwise, he’d lynch good townie Sloonei over himself and good role partner Rej. A bus on Rej earns him no cred.

So under the idea that Rej is probably teamed with Sloonei and/or Colin and under the idea that Colin can only be a wolf if Colin and Sloonei are both wolves, Sloonei should go first.

If Sloonei flips wolf, we get a wolf and we reevaluate Colin with the knowledge that everything Sloonei said cane from a wolf. If Sloonei flips town, we know all his reads were real and we confirm mislynch bait Colin.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Ooh, spicy.

[Creature]

Sloonei, are u saying Colin was the 6th vote on rej?

I wasn't around for end of day

Yes. Tony had 6, colin, rej, and i had 5. Colin switched one of his votes to rej.

In that case, kinda something to oppose the Colin lynch

[Creature]

Only thing that turns me on more than replying to shitposting is discussing politics, but we don't want that here

We have a new politics channel in TS discord, feel free to join.

Lean more right or left?

Left.

With some libertarians.

Weird combination, I know.

Oh well, gonna be hard

Somewhat of a libertarian, somewhat of a conservative

I was a libertarian briefly until Juliets said I wasn’t allowed to be.

Long live Maduro

[speedchuck]

Yeah, no vote colin then. Vote Sloonei or LC.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Has anyone made a more convincing case on LC than LC made on himself? Cause I have no idea what to do with that much wine.

[sig]

Has anyone made a more convincing case on LC than LC made on himself? Cause I have no idea what to do with that much wine.

Chug it then vote for LC.

[sig]

Can we get a wine emoji?

[Sloonei]

Has anyone made a more convincing case on LC than LC made on himself? Cause I have no idea what to do with that much wine.

Yes, but you didn’t read any of my posts.

[speedchuck]

Has anyone made a more convincing case on LC than LC made on himself? Cause I have no idea what to do with that much wine.

Truth.

BUT

TSP did a similar thing, where he was extremely self-analytical and such, and he ended up town.
LC is doing a little different dance, with it 'all part of the plan bro', but IDK what to think about that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Has anyone made a more convincing case on LC than LC made on himself? Cause I have no idea what to do with that much wine.

Chug it then vote for LC.

No.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Has anyone made a more convincing case on LC than LC made on himself? Cause I have no idea what to do with that much wine.

Yes, but you didn’t read any of my posts.

Is that where the LC case is?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I only read about a quarter of what Sloonei and Jay post most of the time.

[Sloonei]

What if Colin and I are both town?

[Jackofhearts2005]

What if Colin and I are both town?

Then Rej fucked up. Why wouldn’t he self preserve?

[Jackofhearts2005]

When he had two fucking votes.

[sig]

My gut tells me to stick with LC. I’m revisiting Colin in my mind, but the end of Day 2 is keeping me from committing a vote to him. Creature and boo would be the other names on my shortlist. Creature’s recent flood of content and non-content alike does little for me.

Why Boo?

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

[Sloonei]

What if Colin and I are both town?

Then Rej fucked up. Why wouldn’t he self preserve?

He wasn’t around for eod.

[Sloonei]

My gut tells me to stick with LC. I’m revisiting Colin in my mind, but the end of Day 2 is keeping me from committing a vote to him. Creature and boo would be the other names on my shortlist. Creature’s recent flood of content and non-content alike does little for me.

Why Boo?

I was iffy on for a few things yesterday. Then today he didn’t look great in relation to rej, and he also made that “deal” which prevented me from voting for rej yesterday.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Let’s not

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Let’s not

I'm around still. Nothing has sold me on LC yet

[speedchuck]

Idunno being purposefully scummy to shake up the game seems like something town con would do

[speedchuck]

He's complained about being very townread before because it was likely to get him nightkilled.

I noted the 'lurker vote' thing he did as very out-of-place with the sentiment in the thread.

He could have looked better on the Rej lynch, technically, but I don't know about that part.

Why should I lynch Long Con eh?

[Long Con]

Idunno being purposefully scummy to shake up the game seems like something town con would do

I wasn't really trying to "shake up the game".

[speedchuck]

Idunno being purposefully scummy to shake up the game seems like something town con would do

I wasn't really trying to "shake up the game".

Shake up people's reads on you, make it less consistent.

If I'm just completely wrong, why do it then?

[boo]

Too many townreads on me too early. Best to shake them off a bit, that's why I was "blurry" on Day 2. I stepped back from the game a bit and made some intentionally suspicious posts. Lemme go find them.

Actually before I get to them, Sloonei brought up this post:

This analysis is agreeable to me. I could switch to Drago.

... looking to pin me to a situation where I said "Rej or Drago maybe" before, but went with Drago. 1. I never switched to Drago, I kept my vote on Dom. 2. Dom and Drago were the tied voteleaders at five apiece at that point, while I think Rej just had two. My point is, it wasn't really a Rej-or-Drago situation by then. Less than ten minutes left in the lynch, Rej wasn't a viable option. I spoke about Drago (and not Rej) at that point for that reason.

Anyways, back to where I was like "f this town-read crap, I need to muddy myself.

Let's start with this one (that I haven't seen Sloonei reference):

LC remains a firm town read. Please state your case if you disagree.

For what?

This is when my radar started pinging a lot, about Sloonei buddying me. So I voted for him, and tried to be a little scummy with my second vote:

Why?

It's provocative. It gets the people going.

LC remains a firm town read. Please state your case if you disagree.

For what?

I liked the tone of the way you handled the Dom suspicion yesterday. You stated the case, but indicated it was incomplete and not fully satisfying. It was enough for a vote, but you still appeared to be actively developing reads.

I don't like it. I think you're buddying me. [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I'll put the second vote on Zemmi. I don't mind using the second lynch to cut an inactive. [VOTE: Zemmi] aubergine

... going for an inactive felt like something that should get a rise out of some players. It didn't really, as I recall. So...

I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

Even scummier! Where did my boo vote come from?? Had I ever talked about boo before? Come on, people.

But still, these unwelcome strong town reads....

i like how LC contended sloonei's town read of him. it could be ballsy wifom, but i like it.

It's a classic LC move.

I try to play it off. dunya didn't even bite. If she had, I probably would have followed up with some (truthful) thing about how I make the buddying accusation when I'm bad sometimes as well.

Actually, yeah, here we go, Colin DID question my crappy votes a little! I'll spoiler it because I want to include the gif that I really like:

Spoiler: show

I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

Didn’t you say earlier you were fine voting Zemmi for the same reason as Boo?

What, you want me to do your research for you?

Like, is that what passes for an acceptable answer these days??

Then comes another one:

I'll sheep nutella's vote on Tony, since she's widely townread. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine (<unvote>) BOO

Like, COME ON. Who's voting for me right now? Are you even playing this game, that you would vote for me and not even bring ANY of this crap up?

That's pretty much it for that. Do with it what you will, this is my honest play yesterday. You wanna vote me for not voting Rej, fine. Shame on you for not finding ANY of that other stuff suspicious.

Pretty sure I remember trying to get you lynched D2.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

[speedchuck]

Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

[Sloonei]

At the buzzer, votes are

Colin 5 - Jack, Boo, Sloonei, Tony, Nanook
Rej 5 - DDL, Jack, Sig, Dunya, Speed
Sloonei 5 - LC, Creature, Nanook, Sig, Nutella
Tony 6 - Rej, Dunya, Sloonei, Speed, Dunya, DDL

And Colin votes Rej. He chose to take Rej from 33% chance to lynch to 100% chance to lynch and himself and Sloonei from 33% to 0%.

If Colin is a wolf, the only reason he votes Rej is because Sloonei is also a wolf. Otherwise, he’d lynch good townie Sloonei over himself and good role partner Rej. A bus on Rej earns him no cred.

So under the idea that Rej is probably teamed with Sloonei and/or Colin and under the idea that Colin can only be a wolf if Colin and Sloonei are both wolves, Sloonei should go first.

If Sloonei flips wolf, we get a wolf and we reevaluate Colin with the knowledge that everything Sloonei said cane from a wolf. If Sloonei flips town, we know all his reads were real and we confirm mislynch bait Colin.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

The basis of this theory is that Colin, Rej, and I are all scum. Meaning that we had three viable scum wagons on a day when the mafia team had two votes each. I would be ashamed to be part of that team.

[Sloonei]

Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

Wait you actually believe in a case against me? I thought you were just dicking around.

[speedchuck]

Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

What if I told you that we ARE wavering off sloonei?

[Long Con]

Too many townreads on me too early. Best to shake them off a bit, that's why I was "blurry" on Day 2. I stepped back from the game a bit and made some intentionally suspicious posts. Lemme go find them.

Actually before I get to them, Sloonei brought up this post:

This analysis is agreeable to me. I could switch to Drago.

... looking to pin me to a situation where I said "Rej or Drago maybe" before, but went with Drago. 1. I never switched to Drago, I kept my vote on Dom. 2. Dom and Drago were the tied voteleaders at five apiece at that point, while I think Rej just had two. My point is, it wasn't really a Rej-or-Drago situation by then. Less than ten minutes left in the lynch, Rej wasn't a viable option. I spoke about Drago (and not Rej) at that point for that reason.

Anyways, back to where I was like "f this town-read crap, I need to muddy myself.

Let's start with this one (that I haven't seen Sloonei reference):

LC remains a firm town read. Please state your case if you disagree.

For what?

This is when my radar started pinging a lot, about Sloonei buddying me. So I voted for him, and tried to be a little scummy with my second vote:

It's provocative. It gets the people going.

LC remains a firm town read. Please state your case if you disagree.

For what?

I liked the tone of the way you handled the Dom suspicion yesterday. You stated the case, but indicated it was incomplete and not fully satisfying. It was enough for a vote, but you still appeared to be actively developing reads.

I don't like it. I think you're buddying me. [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

I'll put the second vote on Zemmi. I don't mind using the second lynch to cut an inactive. [VOTE: Zemmi] aubergine

... going for an inactive felt like something that should get a rise out of some players. It didn't really, as I recall. So...

I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

Even scummier! Where did my boo vote come from?? Had I ever talked about boo before? Come on, people.

But still, these unwelcome strong town reads....

i like how LC contended sloonei's town read of him. it could be ballsy wifom, but i like it.

It's a classic LC move.

I try to play it off. dunya didn't even bite. If she had, I probably would have followed up with some (truthful) thing about how I make the buddying accusation when I'm bad sometimes as well.

Actually, yeah, here we go, Colin DID question my crappy votes a little! I'll spoiler it because I want to include the gif that I really like:

Spoiler: show

I'm thinking lynching zemmi is actually a good idea conceptually, now. But the fact so many people seem to be onboard with it is giving me pause.

Nah. Why would the Mafia team care about bussing a nonplayer member of their team? That's the easiest bus ever. I'll get on that boo vote. [VOTE: boo] aubergine

Didn’t you say earlier you were fine voting Zemmi for the same reason as Boo?

What, you want me to do your research for you?

Like, is that what passes for an acceptable answer these days??

Then comes another one:

I'll sheep nutella's vote on Tony, since she's widely townread. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine (<unvote>) BOO

Like, COME ON. Who's voting for me right now? Are you even playing this game, that you would vote for me and not even bring ANY of this crap up?

That's pretty much it for that. Do with it what you will, this is my honest play yesterday. You wanna vote me for not voting Rej, fine. Shame on you for not finding ANY of that other stuff suspicious.

Pretty sure I remember trying to get you lynched D2.

Yes. That's right. That was pretty good.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

Wait you actually believe in a case against me? I thought you were just dicking around.

I mean I think I've been pretty clear that there are two acceptable wagons today and you're one of them, lol

[Sloonei]

If Colin is scum and he votes for me then we get two civilian lynches and he and rej both have huge targets on their backs. If he votes for rej it ensures that only one of them died, and gives him a good town claim moving forward.

Holy linki

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

What if I told you that we ARE wavering off sloonei?

Then I'd say you're being dumb and you should stop

[Sloonei]

Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

Wait you actually believe in a case against me? I thought you were just dicking around.

I mean I think I've been pretty clear that there are two acceptable wagons today and you're one of them, lol

Okay so why me instead of colin?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hello, is anything important happening or can I check out again?

We're trying to figure out who to lynch and there are 1.5 hours left to pick.

Pretty important.

It's only important if we're wavering off Sloonei, and he seems to be in the lead still, so. Looks like we're good there to me

Wait you actually believe in a case against me? I thought you were just dicking around.

I mean I think I've been pretty clear that there are two acceptable wagons today and you're one of them, lol

Okay so why me instead of colin?

You flipping scum 85% clears boo and Colin for me. You flipping town makes Colin near-confirmed scum imo, and boo pretty high on the list.

Colin flipping scum semi-clears just you, and him flipping town just makes you near-confirmed scum.

Your votes yesterday are also scummier than Colin's, just by dent of mattering more.