Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[tedxtr]

it seems like a good point to focus on, especially when I don't see the premise of the push coming from juliets? it's such tunnel visioned on the idea sig has to be scum tming and not town tming, and the obvious choice, from her PoV of "sig slipped and dys' case is goat" should be to lynch mac over sig.

[Jackofhearts2005]

it seems like a good point to focus on, especially when I don't see the premise of the push coming from juliets? it's such tunnel visioned on the idea sig has to be scum tming and not town tming, and the obvious choice, from her PoV of "sig slipped and dys' case is goat" should be to lynch mac over sig.

Can't the same thing be said for SVS and Jay?

[tedxtr]

whatever suits you i guess

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

What about the droid attack on the Wookie(e)s?

Are you bad again?

lynch me and find out

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

Real answer: because I don’t find the Sig flipped on Sabie randomly stuff to be that convincing for the main reason of — almost any town result that would lead to Sig making the claims he did against Mac would almost necessarily equally implicate Sabie. And if he’s scum, well he’s just scum.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

Real answer: because I don’t find the Sig flipped on Sabie randomly stuff to be that convincing for the main reason of — almost any town result that would lead to Sig making the claims he did against Mac would almost necessarily equally implicate Sabie. And if he’s scum, well he’s just scum.

I say Sabie — I mean someone on the anti-monitor team. If Sig is town in any case he had to make some jumps for his wild theory that has proven correct, and one of those is “X person is on team B” and it seems clear that he chose Sabie.

[Sloonei]

Okay but what about his treatment of Radishes?

[tedxtr]

Okay but what about his treatment of Radishes?

I heard he ripped the salad part off of the actual radish. Gruesome

[tedxtr]

tl;dr he was very much not careful and did him wrong

[JaggedJimmyJay]

it seems like a good point to focus on, especially when I don't see the premise of the push coming from juliets? it's such tunnel visioned on the idea sig has to be scum tming and not town tming, and the obvious choice, from her PoV of "sig slipped and dys' case is goat" should be to lynch mac over sig.

Can't the same thing be said for SVS and Jay?

What is the "town TMI" case for sig?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've seen something like that mentioned at least a couple times -- that there are 1 or 3 or 12 town explanations for sig's behavior. Tell me them.

[juliets]

it seems like a good point to focus on, especially when I don't see the premise of the push coming from juliets? it's such tunnel visioned on the idea sig has to be scum tming and not town tming, and the obvious choice, from her PoV of "sig slipped and dys' case is goat" should be to lynch mac over sig.

From my pov yesterday, I couldn't see a town role that would know both that Mac was bad and that Mac was targeted. Lassie would know Mac was bad but how would Lassie know Mac was targeted? A watcher (or tracker I get the two confused) would know Mac was targeted but how would he know Mac was bad? That was what led me to not be able to see a town sig.

[Jackofhearts2005]

it seems like a good point to focus on, especially when I don't see the premise of the push coming from juliets? it's such tunnel visioned on the idea sig has to be scum tming and not town tming, and the obvious choice, from her PoV of "sig slipped and dys' case is goat" should be to lynch mac over sig.

Can't the same thing be said for SVS and Jay?

What is the "town TMI" case for sig?

There isn't one?

I meant if we're going to argue that Juliets is bad because she didn't choose to lynch Mac over Sig, the same can be said for several players.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

it seems like a good point to focus on, especially when I don't see the premise of the push coming from juliets? it's such tunnel visioned on the idea sig has to be scum tming and not town tming, and the obvious choice, from her PoV of "sig slipped and dys' case is goat" should be to lynch mac over sig.

Can't the same thing be said for SVS and Jay?

What is the "town TMI" case for sig?

There isn't one?

I meant if we're going to argue that Juliets is bad because she didn't choose to lynch Mac over Sig, the same can be said for several players.

I don't care about that. Direct the question to [mention]tedxtr[/mention] then. What is the town TMI case for sig?

[Jackofhearts2005]

In hindsight, there was a nonzero chance Mac had been jailkept so Sig was probably the better game theory lynch but I think this worked out pretty well.

[juliets]

I have to get some lunch but will be right back.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I've seen something like that mentioned at least a couple times -- that there are 1 or 3 or 12 town explanations for sig's behavior. Tell me them.

I’m thinking he tracks Sabie targeting Mac Night 1. Suspects Mac after Mac silenced him — roles make sense together — and puts 1 and 1 together. Night 2 shoots Sabie and confirms his suspicions.

This is a very specific option.
Otherwise: Night 1 cops Mac? No one dies, bulletproof, silence, makes a few guesses? Maybe?

[TonyStarkPrime]

In hindsight, there was a nonzero chance Mac had been jailkept so Sig was probably the better game theory lynch but I think this worked out pretty well.

If that had happened we would have heard about it

[TonyStarkPrime]

Okay but what about his treatment of Radishes?

G-Man does worse

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've seen something like that mentioned at least a couple times -- that there are 1 or 3 or 12 town explanations for sig's behavior. Tell me them.

I’m thinking he tracks Sabie targeting Mac Night 1. Suspects Mac after Mac silenced him — roles make sense together — and puts 1 and 1 together. Night 2 shoots Sabie and confirms his suspicions.

This is a very specific option.
Otherwise: Night 1 cops Mac? No one dies, bulletproof, silence, makes a few guesses? Maybe?

I think a considerable leap is required to arrive at the highlighted portion -- suspecting that it was Mac among some 20 players that silenced him on that basis is hard to believe. The cop theory doesn't tell me why sig thought Mac was targeted for a kill.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

You stopped at Michelle.

I wanna see Sloonei and TH.

[Sloonei]

Okay but what about his treatment of Radishes?

G-Man does worse

Hard no. And anyway, there are two members of this team remaining.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay

You stopped at Michelle.

I wanna see Sloonei and TH.

I'm doing Nanook right now.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I've seen something like that mentioned at least a couple times -- that there are 1 or 3 or 12 town explanations for sig's behavior. Tell me them.

I’m thinking he tracks Sabie targeting Mac Night 1. Suspects Mac after Mac silenced him — roles make sense together — and puts 1 and 1 together. Night 2 shoots Sabie and confirms his suspicions.

This is a very specific option.
Otherwise: Night 1 cops Mac? No one dies, bulletproof, silence, makes a few guesses? Maybe?

I think a considerable leap is required to arrive at the highlighted portion -- suspecting that it was Mac among some 20 players that silenced him on that basis is hard to believe. The cop theory doesn't tell me why sig thought Mac was targeted for a kill.

Think about this — he did suspect that Mac had silenced him. He was correct. there is absolutely no way he could have known this as scum or town. Unless I’m missing something or there’s an item.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Given T-spheres and saw that Mac targeted him and then also tracked Sabie targeting Mac

[TonyStarkPrime]

There is no story, town or scum, that accounts for everything that Sig theorized.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've seen something like that mentioned at least a couple times -- that there are 1 or 3 or 12 town explanations for sig's behavior. Tell me them.

I’m thinking he tracks Sabie targeting Mac Night 1. Suspects Mac after Mac silenced him — roles make sense together — and puts 1 and 1 together. Night 2 shoots Sabie and confirms his suspicions.

This is a very specific option.
Otherwise: Night 1 cops Mac? No one dies, bulletproof, silence, makes a few guesses? Maybe?

I think a considerable leap is required to arrive at the highlighted portion -- suspecting that it was Mac among some 20 players that silenced him on that basis is hard to believe. The cop theory doesn't tell me why sig thought Mac was targeted for a kill.

Think about this — he did suspect that Mac had silenced him. He was correct. there is absolutely no way he could have known this as scum or town. Unless I’m missing something or there’s an item.

If his team shot Mac and failed, he has reason to believe that he could be Saitama -- the guy who silences and survives a kill.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Given T-spheres and saw that Mac targeted him and then also tracked Sabie targeting Mac

Actually Sig was a popular town read on night 1, I would be surprised if he hadn’t been given T-spheres. This would be doubly powerful as a Santa day 1 gift because it narrows down the identity of Santa, creating a few links that can help start a town core, and because Fester probably never gives T-spheres night 1

[TonyStarkPrime]

I've seen something like that mentioned at least a couple times -- that there are 1 or 3 or 12 town explanations for sig's behavior. Tell me them.

I’m thinking he tracks Sabie targeting Mac Night 1. Suspects Mac after Mac silenced him — roles make sense together — and puts 1 and 1 together. Night 2 shoots Sabie and confirms his suspicions.

This is a very specific option.
Otherwise: Night 1 cops Mac? No one dies, bulletproof, silence, makes a few guesses? Maybe?

I think a considerable leap is required to arrive at the highlighted portion -- suspecting that it was Mac among some 20 players that silenced him on that basis is hard to believe. The cop theory doesn't tell me why sig thought Mac was targeted for a kill.

Think about this — he did suspect that Mac had silenced him. He was correct. there is absolutely no way he could have known this as scum or town. Unless I’m missing something or there’s an item.

If his team shot Mac and failed, he has reason to believe that he could be Saitama -- the guy who silences and survives a kill.

obviously the simplest option

[JaggedJimmyJay]

People's treatment of Mac continued

Nanook 2

Nanook 1 said close to nothing about Mac. He called him 50/50. Nanook 1 officially acknowledged.

Spoiler: show

I could probably go for a Mac vote too tbh

Sorry it's the weekend and weekend is family time so I'm not gonna post much on the weekend. Weekend. Someone wanna give me cliffs?

you’re bad

Yet you’re comfortable voting with him

Calling my Mac vote

Oh but it holds true for you too

Jfc you really are the same person

Mac just voted moments ago. I don't really care about that logic anyway -- it is too restrictive.

Fair nuff

I mean tbf radish is the logical self prez vote yeah? Been pressure on him since yesterday and two Colin voters are saying they’d vote mac (I think you were a Colin voter?)

I’d be happy killing drago too tbh I forgot he was ostensibly playing

Think we should wait a day on g-man, feels bad to kill him while he can’t really talk properly since he hasn’t really been overtly scummy imo

Why drago?

Pretty sure there’s two scum in the day one non-entities, i.e. tranq drago Colin and g-man

I’d kill any of them, mac, or SVS right now

I mean in the 4 games I’ve played here every time a lurker TK is brought up it gets some serious side eye and a healthy dose of “must be lazy scum not wanting to push an active player,” lol

Well I wasn’t town in any of those games, and I’m the best and and most open minded civilian player on the site, objectively and officially speaking. I accept your proposal of lynching a low poster as a viable strategy for this game moving forward. :signofthecross emoji:

Now whether or not it’s the best strategy at any given moment is a different story. I still think we have a good amount of legitimately suspicious content in this thread.

I mean I’m voting for mac, so obviously I don’t disagree with you

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

I was guessing at turnip’s reason, not endorsing it if I’m right. Obviously I think mac is mafia, my vote is on him.

The other thing that makes me feel OK about a mac TK is that we have actual battle lines over it, people are invested on both sides, as opposed to radishes where we have a few people invested in killing him and everyone else seemingly kind of shrugging and going “eh, idk, maybe?”

And I tend to think that in a game like this a polarized TK is more likely to lead to scum than one where the strongest defense against it amounts to a half hearted “idk he’s kinda null.”

I mean I’m just not really willing to think that anyone is going to seriously consider a world where one of the scum teams had to play short handed for an entire cycle

Hey so like I'm not scum so could you like not vote to lynch me plz?

I mean I kinda think you are, so

I mean I’m just not really willing to think that anyone is going to seriously consider a world where one of the scum teams had to play short handed for an entire cycle

Hey so like I'm not scum so could you like not vote to lynch me plz?

I mean I kinda think you are, so

I promise I am not though. If you vote someone else you will be happy at the end of the game that you ignored your intuition in favour of arbitrarily trusting me for no apparent reason.

I mean that is a pretty compelling argument tbh, I’m almost swayed

The other thing that makes me feel OK about a mac TK is that we have actual battle lines over it, people are invested on both sides, as opposed to radishes where we have a few people invested in killing him and everyone else seemingly kind of shrugging and going “eh, idk, maybe?”

And I tend to think that in a game like this a polarized TK is more likely to lead to scum than one where the strongest defense against it amounts to a half hearted “idk he’s kinda null.”

I dunno, it seems like the only thing that's likely to happen after I get mislynched is that you mislynch Turnip Head for TMI or some dumb shit.

Idk if I’d ever go turnip head over like half the roster tbh

Hi I’d like to introduce you to a concept known as the fake derp clear, have you been introduced before or is this your first time?

I would've perceived it as fake if I had a reason to believe he was scum. Which I don't. Because, once again, he has nothing scummy about him.

Jumping from me not having any reasoning to scum read a slot that I've easily scum read in the past to believing an alleged "fake attempt at derp clear because he's scum" requires some kind of mental contortion to get to that conclusion.

I mean you’re pushing something that just isn’t AI as a reason to TR mac, and it just isn’t.

Hi I’d like to introduce you to a concept known as the fake derp clear, have you been introduced before or is this your first time?

I would've perceived it as fake if I had a reason to believe he was scum. Which I don't. Because, once again, he has nothing scummy about him.

Jumping from me not having any reasoning to scum read a slot that I've easily scum read in the past to believing an alleged "fake attempt at derp clear because he's scum" requires some kind of mental contortion to get to that conclusion.

I mean you’re pushing something that just isn’t AI as a reason to TR mac, and it just isn’t.

My point was that I'm not seeing scum Mac here unlike his Inception game where I sniped his ass page 10 or something.

Reading a game is significantly different than playing it, but kudos I guess

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

I could be persuaded to vote Mac pretty easily.

Hey you should vote mac

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

I could be persuaded to vote Mac pretty easily.

Hey you should vote mac

wow okay that sounds good [VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

I should run for office

I mean great she agrees that mac is scum, yay, but putting her reads as part of your reasoning is pretty garbage imo

I don’t even think radishes is a bad kill, I just don’t understand why we aren’t killing mac tbh

I don’t even think radishes is a bad kill, I just don’t understand why we aren’t killing mac tbh

Lynch this guy please

You don’t have the Jimmy Johnson’s

Should be a teammate between the D1 nutella voters and the D2 mac voters. I’ll look for overlap when I’m not at 10%

D1 Nanook is confirmed you dipstick

Anyways, sabie and Dom are likely radish partners. Possibly one between jay/SvS/sloonei as well cause syndicate likes to bus.

Why Dom?

Nutella and Mac votes

By votes jack is a viable partner for radishes.

By tone he’s probably town.

By toan says noted Jack expert Nanook the conqueror.

Oh right I forgot I’m only allowed to make RNG reads.

A massive eye roll and a hearty fuck off

Hey bitches I'm back in the land of the living!!

After that eod i am thinking I may have been wrong about mac and I have liked his engagement/analysis since. He could still be on the non radishes team and be genuinely hunting,but with how the votes stayed in him like that it seems unlikely.

I agree with the assessments that gman and sabie look like radish teammates. Sprit's vote was also quiiiiite bad but I town read him otherwise so more hesitant to make a hard and fast judgment there.

I would have to be super, super wrong about Jack for him to be bad.

Ditto. I’m open to the possibility, and I hope to ISO him myself soon, but I can’t bring myself to shake off my town read.

I keep noticing you earnestly replying to drivel you should be ignoring or eviscerating and I think I've caught you this way before.

L o v e T h i s

Votes staying on him doesn’t make him more likely town, that logic doesn’t apply in multiball

If chuck is a teammate he open wolfed his Mac vote in a way a lot of mafia players aren’t comfortable doing.

Also, question for everyone: What should be the game plan going forward? Should we try to lynch Radish team and follow those leads? Or should we try to find and expose the other team? Or should be do both/come what may?

I have some thoughts, but I think it's an interesting question.

We've had two GOAT lynches, and the game is still over 36 % scum. That is hilarious and sad. This is what I mean when I say big multiball games should have a multilynch option.

Radishes team first, then we worry about Mac’s team

Still think it’s better to hunt the radishes/sabie team first tbh. Very likely to be one busser on the radishes vote, we should be looking there probably.

I’m not opposed to a Mac vote but I don’t think he’s a radish teammate so

SVS Jay and Sloonei probably the Radish voters I’m most interested in as bussers

I’d probably kill between them and tranq today

Maybe nutella/drago if I’m ignoring my desire to play with Nutella

Tbh I’d probably kill the other three over sloonei too

No interest in Mac today in lieu of sig's theory?

I mean I still think there’s a good chance he’s mafia, yeah, but I’m prioritizing the radish/sabie team. I don’t super care about the other team tbh, if we get obviously great but that’s not my priority today

To be clear I don’t super care about sig’s theory, but nothing between yesterday and today made me think “oh mac isn’t mafia”

To be clear I support a Mac TK and still think he’s >rand scum

Just don’t think he’s scum on the team I’m prioritizing today

SVS and tranq are also votes I’m happy with. Maybe even Dom, though he seems kinda different than what I remember from being his teammate.

I understand the want to kill mac, I don’t super get the swing of attention away from the rabies team (see what I did there?)

You lot play weird

Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

I'm just going off mac's history of fighting for his life as town. He fights as wolf too sure, but in this case I'd buy that he is tired of how the game has been going for him and figures his best chance at a win is sacrificing himself and letting his teammates go on. (and maybe he figures if he resigns to being lynched we're less likely to figure out who those might be -- though ofc some people are still defending him, but that doesn't make them his teammates)

Or he’s town sick of this shit. It’s NAI

To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

Distinctions like this are scummy.

Disagree. I say stuff like that all the time.

idk what nanook is talking about here

I think mac is a wolf, I think self voting is NAI

I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

. . .

You're talking about even if Mac is scum, right?

Yes. Multiball.

To clarify, Dyz was killed on N2 by the Master's Team. The Antimonitor's team contained Sabie and Radishes. So yeah, it's basically impossible that Dyz was a wolf. Not sure if Nanook2 saying to ignore Dyz is scummy or just a derp.

@sig why did you think Mac was the kill target? I understand the idea that the town wouldn't protect Mac so he's scum if he was shot but why do you think he was shot?

Not impossible, just unlikely. She could also be 3p

Given her ghost post tho I’m willing to pretend she’s town

I want to vote tranq but then I also think Mac and Jay are above rand to be scum so....that's pretty much how this game has gone though

You’re right mac, I’m not treating this game Super Seriously. I’m treating this game as a game. Because it’s what I do with moments of free time to distract myself. Not really interested in the MAFIA IS SERIOUS BUSINESS AND ANYBODY THAT DOESNT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY IS A PIECE OF SHIT THAT SHOULD GO PLAY CHARADES INSTEAD approach

Radish/sabie team targeting Mac and Mac not dying doesn’t automatically make Mac scum (actually it makes him 50/50, roughly)

So it’s not quite as clear cut as “kill Mac and we know sig’s alignment.”

Mac’s flip doesn’t really confirm or refute anything on sig either imo. Like even if he flips a role that doesn’t have NK protection the people that think sig slipped are just going to say “oh well Mac just got docced and they thought he was the Master*!”

Imo one of their alignments doesn’t say anything more about the other than most randomly selected pairs.



*i don’t remember if this is the correct role but I’m too lazy to check. You’re all smart enough to know what I’m saying, hopefully.

Calling a Mac vote obviously

Just getting these quotes down before I lose the post. I am doing lab work and will assess in a bit.

[juliets]

Well, I'm going to take a nap. Back later. I feel kind of bad taking a nap while Jay is doing analysis. One day soon Jay I will get you to teach me how to do it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well, I'm going to take a nap. Back later. I feel kind of bad taking a nap while Jay is doing analysis. One day soon Jay I will get you to teach me how to do it.

You should never feel bad about taking a nap. Naps rule.

But sure I can show you the ropes!

[speedchuck]

There is no story, town or scum, that accounts for everything that Sig theorized.

I... disagree?

Did you read my post?

[TonyStarkPrime]

There is no story, town or scum, that accounts for everything that Sig theorized.

I... disagree?

Did you read my post?

The long one? I think we’re in agreement — Sig does not have complete information of everything he’s said? There’s no reason to try to build a world where somehow he knows everything.

[speedchuck]

There is no story, town or scum, that accounts for everything that Sig theorized.

I... disagree?

Did you read my post?

The long one? I think we’re in agreement — Sig does not have complete information of everything he’s said? There’s no reason to try to build a world where somehow he knows everything.

Ah, I see. You're saying Sig is making assumptions in those posts regardless of what role he has.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

People's treatment of Mac continued

Nanook 2

Nanook 1 said close to nothing about Mac. He called him 50/50. Nanook 1 officially acknowledged.

Spoiler: show

I could probably go for a Mac vote too tbh

Sorry it's the weekend and weekend is family time so I'm not gonna post much on the weekend. Weekend. Someone wanna give me cliffs?

you’re bad

Yet you’re comfortable voting with him

Calling my Mac vote

Oh but it holds true for you too

Jfc you really are the same person

Mac just voted moments ago. I don't really care about that logic anyway -- it is too restrictive.

Fair nuff

I mean tbf radish is the logical self prez vote yeah? Been pressure on him since yesterday and two Colin voters are saying they’d vote mac (I think you were a Colin voter?)

I’d be happy killing drago too tbh I forgot he was ostensibly playing

Think we should wait a day on g-man, feels bad to kill him while he can’t really talk properly since he hasn’t really been overtly scummy imo

Why drago?

Pretty sure there’s two scum in the day one non-entities, i.e. tranq drago Colin and g-man

I’d kill any of them, mac, or SVS right now

I mean in the 4 games I’ve played here every time a lurker TK is brought up it gets some serious side eye and a healthy dose of “must be lazy scum not wanting to push an active player,” lol

Well I wasn’t town in any of those games, and I’m the best and and most open minded civilian player on the site, objectively and officially speaking. I accept your proposal of lynching a low poster as a viable strategy for this game moving forward. :signofthecross emoji:

Now whether or not it’s the best strategy at any given moment is a different story. I still think we have a good amount of legitimately suspicious content in this thread.

I mean I’m voting for mac, so obviously I don’t disagree with you

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

I was guessing at turnip’s reason, not endorsing it if I’m right. Obviously I think mac is mafia, my vote is on him.

The other thing that makes me feel OK about a mac TK is that we have actual battle lines over it, people are invested on both sides, as opposed to radishes where we have a few people invested in killing him and everyone else seemingly kind of shrugging and going “eh, idk, maybe?”

And I tend to think that in a game like this a polarized TK is more likely to lead to scum than one where the strongest defense against it amounts to a half hearted “idk he’s kinda null.”

I mean I’m just not really willing to think that anyone is going to seriously consider a world where one of the scum teams had to play short handed for an entire cycle

Hey so like I'm not scum so could you like not vote to lynch me plz?

I mean I kinda think you are, so

I mean I’m just not really willing to think that anyone is going to seriously consider a world where one of the scum teams had to play short handed for an entire cycle

Hey so like I'm not scum so could you like not vote to lynch me plz?

I mean I kinda think you are, so

I promise I am not though. If you vote someone else you will be happy at the end of the game that you ignored your intuition in favour of arbitrarily trusting me for no apparent reason.

I mean that is a pretty compelling argument tbh, I’m almost swayed

The other thing that makes me feel OK about a mac TK is that we have actual battle lines over it, people are invested on both sides, as opposed to radishes where we have a few people invested in killing him and everyone else seemingly kind of shrugging and going “eh, idk, maybe?”

And I tend to think that in a game like this a polarized TK is more likely to lead to scum than one where the strongest defense against it amounts to a half hearted “idk he’s kinda null.”

I dunno, it seems like the only thing that's likely to happen after I get mislynched is that you mislynch Turnip Head for TMI or some dumb shit.

Idk if I’d ever go turnip head over like half the roster tbh

Hi I’d like to introduce you to a concept known as the fake derp clear, have you been introduced before or is this your first time?

I would've perceived it as fake if I had a reason to believe he was scum. Which I don't. Because, once again, he has nothing scummy about him.

Jumping from me not having any reasoning to scum read a slot that I've easily scum read in the past to believing an alleged "fake attempt at derp clear because he's scum" requires some kind of mental contortion to get to that conclusion.

I mean you’re pushing something that just isn’t AI as a reason to TR mac, and it just isn’t.

Hi I’d like to introduce you to a concept known as the fake derp clear, have you been introduced before or is this your first time?

I would've perceived it as fake if I had a reason to believe he was scum. Which I don't. Because, once again, he has nothing scummy about him.

Jumping from me not having any reasoning to scum read a slot that I've easily scum read in the past to believing an alleged "fake attempt at derp clear because he's scum" requires some kind of mental contortion to get to that conclusion.

I mean you’re pushing something that just isn’t AI as a reason to TR mac, and it just isn’t.

My point was that I'm not seeing scum Mac here unlike his Inception game where I sniped his ass page 10 or something.

Reading a game is significantly different than playing it, but kudos I guess

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

I could be persuaded to vote Mac pretty easily.

Hey you should vote mac

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

I could be persuaded to vote Mac pretty easily.

Hey you should vote mac

wow okay that sounds good [VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

I should run for office

I mean great she agrees that mac is scum, yay, but putting her reads as part of your reasoning is pretty garbage imo

I don’t even think radishes is a bad kill, I just don’t understand why we aren’t killing mac tbh

I don’t even think radishes is a bad kill, I just don’t understand why we aren’t killing mac tbh

Lynch this guy please

You don’t have the Jimmy Johnson’s

Should be a teammate between the D1 nutella voters and the D2 mac voters. I’ll look for overlap when I’m not at 10%

D1 Nanook is confirmed you dipstick

Anyways, sabie and Dom are likely radish partners. Possibly one between jay/SvS/sloonei as well cause syndicate likes to bus.

Why Dom?

Nutella and Mac votes

By votes jack is a viable partner for radishes.

By tone he’s probably town.

By toan says noted Jack expert Nanook the conqueror.

Oh right I forgot I’m only allowed to make RNG reads.

A massive eye roll and a hearty fuck off

Hey bitches I'm back in the land of the living!!

After that eod i am thinking I may have been wrong about mac and I have liked his engagement/analysis since. He could still be on the non radishes team and be genuinely hunting,but with how the votes stayed in him like that it seems unlikely.

I agree with the assessments that gman and sabie look like radish teammates. Sprit's vote was also quiiiiite bad but I town read him otherwise so more hesitant to make a hard and fast judgment there.

I would have to be super, super wrong about Jack for him to be bad.

Ditto. I’m open to the possibility, and I hope to ISO him myself soon, but I can’t bring myself to shake off my town read.

I keep noticing you earnestly replying to drivel you should be ignoring or eviscerating and I think I've caught you this way before.

L o v e T h i s

Votes staying on him doesn’t make him more likely town, that logic doesn’t apply in multiball

If chuck is a teammate he open wolfed his Mac vote in a way a lot of mafia players aren’t comfortable doing.

Also, question for everyone: What should be the game plan going forward? Should we try to lynch Radish team and follow those leads? Or should we try to find and expose the other team? Or should be do both/come what may?

I have some thoughts, but I think it's an interesting question.

We've had two GOAT lynches, and the game is still over 36 % scum. That is hilarious and sad. This is what I mean when I say big multiball games should have a multilynch option.

Radishes team first, then we worry about Mac’s team

Still think it’s better to hunt the radishes/sabie team first tbh. Very likely to be one busser on the radishes vote, we should be looking there probably.

I’m not opposed to a Mac vote but I don’t think he’s a radish teammate so

SVS Jay and Sloonei probably the Radish voters I’m most interested in as bussers

I’d probably kill between them and tranq today

Maybe nutella/drago if I’m ignoring my desire to play with Nutella

Tbh I’d probably kill the other three over sloonei too

No interest in Mac today in lieu of sig's theory?

I mean I still think there’s a good chance he’s mafia, yeah, but I’m prioritizing the radish/sabie team. I don’t super care about the other team tbh, if we get obviously great but that’s not my priority today

To be clear I don’t super care about sig’s theory, but nothing between yesterday and today made me think “oh mac isn’t mafia”

To be clear I support a Mac TK and still think he’s >rand scum

Just don’t think he’s scum on the team I’m prioritizing today

SVS and tranq are also votes I’m happy with. Maybe even Dom, though he seems kinda different than what I remember from being his teammate.

I understand the want to kill mac, I don’t super get the swing of attention away from the rabies team (see what I did there?)

You lot play weird

Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

I'm just going off mac's history of fighting for his life as town. He fights as wolf too sure, but in this case I'd buy that he is tired of how the game has been going for him and figures his best chance at a win is sacrificing himself and letting his teammates go on. (and maybe he figures if he resigns to being lynched we're less likely to figure out who those might be -- though ofc some people are still defending him, but that doesn't make them his teammates)

Or he’s town sick of this shit. It’s NAI

To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

Distinctions like this are scummy.

Disagree. I say stuff like that all the time.

idk what nanook is talking about here

I think mac is a wolf, I think self voting is NAI

I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

. . .

You're talking about even if Mac is scum, right?

Yes. Multiball.

To clarify, Dyz was killed on N2 by the Master's Team. The Antimonitor's team contained Sabie and Radishes. So yeah, it's basically impossible that Dyz was a wolf. Not sure if Nanook2 saying to ignore Dyz is scummy or just a derp.

@sig why did you think Mac was the kill target? I understand the idea that the town wouldn't protect Mac so he's scum if he was shot but why do you think he was shot?

Not impossible, just unlikely. She could also be 3p

Given her ghost post tho I’m willing to pretend she’s town

I want to vote tranq but then I also think Mac and Jay are above rand to be scum so....that's pretty much how this game has gone though

You’re right mac, I’m not treating this game Super Seriously. I’m treating this game as a game. Because it’s what I do with moments of free time to distract myself. Not really interested in the MAFIA IS SERIOUS BUSINESS AND ANYBODY THAT DOESNT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY IS A PIECE OF SHIT THAT SHOULD GO PLAY CHARADES INSTEAD approach

Radish/sabie team targeting Mac and Mac not dying doesn’t automatically make Mac scum (actually it makes him 50/50, roughly)

So it’s not quite as clear cut as “kill Mac and we know sig’s alignment.”

Mac’s flip doesn’t really confirm or refute anything on sig either imo. Like even if he flips a role that doesn’t have NK protection the people that think sig slipped are just going to say “oh well Mac just got docced and they thought he was the Master*!”

Imo one of their alignments doesn’t say anything more about the other than most randomly selected pairs.



*i don’t remember if this is the correct role but I’m too lazy to check. You’re all smart enough to know what I’m saying, hopefully.

Calling a Mac vote obviously

Just getting these quotes down before I lose the post. I am doing lab work and will assess in a bit.

There's an argument here for Nanook being compatible -- that he consistently suspected Mac and welcomed a Mac lynch while favoring a pursuit of the other team instead. It's an argument that kind of bores me, particularly given that he did end up voting Mac on Day 3. I think his opposition to Mac looks genuine for the most part. It isn't clear why he did choose to place the Mac vote in the end instead of sig or whoever else, so [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] can speak to that. My intuition tells me no here.

Compatibility: Minor

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hot take: people associating juliets with Team Mac are bullshitting

I don't remember who that was off-hand, but I will check in bit.

[juliets]

There is no story, town or scum, that accounts for everything that Sig theorized.

I... disagree?

Did you read my post?

The long one? I think we’re in agreement — Sig does not have complete information of everything he’s said? There’s no reason to try to build a world where somehow he knows everything.

Ah, I see. You're saying Sig is making assumptions in those posts regardless of what role he has.

I also posted a scenario this morning where sig is making assumptions. It's not the same as speed's theory and maybe it's farfetched but take a look at it.

[juliets]

Sorry [mention]speedchuck[/mention] I meant to post that to [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention].

[JaggedJimmyJay]

S~V~S

Spoiler: show

Regarding strong reads, I think civs need to be hyper aggressive this game becasue of this:

Hosts with the most said:


Ghosts

When a player dies, their ghost remains in the thread for three more phases. A ghost may post on-topic thrice-twice-once, in successive phases, in dead-red text. A ghost can claim its Win Condition.

Have you ever had that moment in a game, right after you died, when suddenly, it was all clear. Yeah, we all have. The baddies are gonna have to try harder to be blendy this game becasue of this, not be over aggressive, becasue it's gonna be harder for them to blow off a mislynch with the victim still in the thread. It's gonna be harder for them to just NK people who get up in their grilles if the victim is still in the thread.

I am always a pretty aggressive civ, but I tend to try to hold reads close to the vest becasue I don't want to paint targets on civs or give a baddie the heads up that they are under suspicion; sometimes I like to watch and draw them out, to see if they slip. But I think this is the game for full reads.

I want to see how the Zero poll plays out. Right now I like Nanook, I like sig, I like Nutella. I don't dislike Jules, TH, Jay, or Ted. I am not feeling Chuck so much or Sloonei. Sloonei getting all aggressive with sig rubs me the wrong way, becasue this is something I seem to recall seeing Sloonei doing fairly often, getting in sigs face. It's an easy stance for Sloonei to fall into. My thoughts on Chuck are wrapped up in his poll vote

Most everyone else is gray for me, or someone I am actively waffling about like Jack or G Man. I know G Man is hiding from G Woman, which I know was always a thing with him, but what little he wrote, meh. So him and Jack aren't really grey, but I could go either way. Some of the gray people, like Epi, Mac, and Tranq, are people I like to sort early, but it's Zero, so

I don't think I played with Michelle before; I did play with Dyslexicon, but not enough to have a basis of comparison.

I also see that Dom, Colin, Dragomir and Sabie have not checked in yet.

I think we would have learned more from today if we had had a normal lynch, that went to the end. So I think vote analysis is of less value than it may have been.

We had 18 votes cast out of 24 player (8 are baddies). So 6 had not even voted yet. I think it would be a conservative estimate to say, let's say 3, half of the not yet voters, could have been bad. That could leave only 5 mixed in in the people who already voted.

One of the non voters was also Dragomir, who has not posted at all.

When I am bad, I tend to try to make a big case and a big splash early to distract from lurking teammates, but I am an outlier. Most people don't do this. Of the people making big splashy cases, I found Mac the most suspish. He is also an outlier in general, and I saw him do something like it when he was bad when I hosted the Champs game with TH several years ago; make a big splashy play. Turnip Head,do you recall this? It was end game, though, so not exactly the same, I was thinking more of his thread play.

When I think back to my baddie games (and it's been a while, the last game I played I was civ), what I recall seeing the most on Day One in games with multiple baddie groups was lots of tangent voting unless you were like 99% sure one of the forming wagons was an opposing baddie. I tend to look hardest at tangent voters on Day One, people who were the only vote for a person. It's an easy way to skirt responsibility and have to answer for your vote if a civ is lynched, to be involved without actually being involved.

The singleton voters were TSP, sprityo, Radishes (lol @ whoever called him "Badishes") and sig. Of those four, sig had been making the case for Nanook pretty consistently, and was actively trying to form a wagon. The other three did not look much like they were trying to form wagons.

Of the three, TSP and sprit also voted for "Vanilla" in the Zero poll, and I am positive there were poll rewards. I think it is probable that some folks may have had info about what might benefit them. As an aside, it is notable that the Vanilla voters, with the exception of G Man, probably did not have much if any experience with Zero polls like this.

So I am going to focus on reading those 2 people, and also add in G Man, a Vanilla Voter, who was also a non voter. I think Badishes has enough people looking at him

Again, this is all less valid than it may have been had the poll gone to the end, they may have been placeholder votes, I may be silly fixating on the zero poll, etc. While I get Nanooks "use it or lose it" approach, I wish he had waited until Day Two (although he quite possibly would have taken me, given his "kill SVS with fire" remark, lol) so meh.

I'm gonna do a GTH post, not a rainbow. I will only comment on some and expand after work tonight (Saturday is my long, difficult day at work, so it is very unlikely I will post during the day today). Bad is kind of a default position (see: Dragomir) for "no opinion" I should have an opinion by now.

~snip~

MacDougall: bad, his play on the nutella lynch felt bad to me, and he has not returned since then. How he spins that situation will aim how I slot him. This is his last post (I am generally not posting posts in this post, but this one kinda counterpoints my thoughts on Dsy, so, breaking my own rules! I'm a rebel!)

It's from Day one, no reaction to the nutella lynch as of yet. Macdougall, come and tellme how you feel about how Day One ended.

I don't know why I feel resistance to read S-V-S as town. Cause she probably very well could be.

Good read

What? This is a terrible read. What does it even mean?

~snip~

Sorry, S~V~S I am jumping in the shower and out the door to the gym. Quickly though, there were debates about Colin and Mac so I would look at them in ISO's if you can.

Thanks, Jules. I tend to have better comprehension reading thread exchanges than ISOs in general, I find I miss less nuance that way, but I will ISO them as well. Colin was a red read for me, but only as a default since I did not remember much of what he had said, and Mac was a red as well since he had not had anything to say after nutella flipped non-baddie, and his whole thing there reminded me of bad Mac (although I tend to baddie read him in general, so my opinion is not always the most valuable there), so they were both on my list.

Also, if there is anything I have to address, let me know.

Also, can anyone give me their take on why sprit voted for Nanook? Out of all the votes I see up there, that is the one that surprises me the most.

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

I like this post, it makes sense to me. I had not seen it this way, I missed his "Nutella is town" posts.

This was Tuesday night,

Nutella is town

This was Weds night,

Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

And this one, about an hour after ^^ he started to change mind, you can almost see it.

Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

You his teammate? Lmao you know better than this.

I was just thinking you're probably bad anyway. Then this. C'mon man

You have literally been in scum teams with me where you have been immediately caught by Jack and lamented profoundly how well he reads you. So your defense here is hilariously bad.

Then his next post, he made up his mind.

Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

You his teammate? Lmao you know better than this.

I was just thinking you're probably bad anyway. Then this. C'mon man

You have literally been in scum teams with me where you have been immediately caught by Jack and lamented profoundly how well he reads you. So your defense here is hilariously bad.

Did you like even read his posts tho. He's wrong and he even said he might be at first, then he doubled down.

I'm not a wolf. Use your own brain, not Jack's.

So he had a little doubt at first as is normal and then soul read you the way that he always does when he's right about you... noted.

This looks very much like a civ minded progression, it looks honest and real, not contrived and set up.

Some notes:

- I feel Colin is more likely town than scum for his righteousness. "Lynch me and I'll laugh at you". Annoying attitude, but probably likelier town than scum.

- I don't feel like lynching Mac is a good idea. I don't know. I kind of buy his defense, and i also feel like how he's giving out reads and thoughts rapidly, but then at the same time warns against "you should probably not listen to these" is more town. It's town doubt that he doesn't want to be fully responsible for those reads. That's my feeling.

- I'm honestly getting cold feet on Radish, but that is just because it would suck so much if he's town here.

- I can't follow the convo between Juliets and Sloonei at all.

I agree with you wholeheartedly re Mac, and also do not feel Badishes as much as I did. I could get behind a sprit or G Man lynch, but Don't want to leave the biggest counterwagon to Mac, since I don't feel Badishes as much but I still don't feel he's in the green, either.

G-Man

Can you think of a reason someone would target you with a curse? Do you see a role that you think makes sense to be a curser?

Also, I need to understand what this line means:

Oompa loompa doompadee don,
Some things I can’t put my finger on.
Oompa loompa doompadee dee,
Here are some folks who seem off to me.

Jay posts a lot, yes this style’s a given,
But something about him feels agenda-driven.
Sloonei’s sus of me felt hollow at best;
Auto-distrust for Dom and S~V~S.

I need to read the poll leaders.

Oompa loompa doompadee doo,
I’m keeping up better on Day 2.
Trying to gauge whose posts feel false
Before momentum waivers and stalls.

If you can fit the answers to those questions into the Oompa Loompa format I would be grateful. I'm from the old school that says it's bad form to vote for someone who's cursed or silenced but I'm having doubts about this being a real curse.

It means he automatically distrusts me and Dom, this is not news to me and I doubt to Dom, either, or anyone who has played with G and I since BSG.

I think I have made enough posts for him to have moved past autodistrust, but whatevs.

As I said up there, I would consider forming either a sprit or G Man counter wagon, I really don't want to lynch Mac, and I have better reasons in my mind to distrust G Man and sprit than Badishes (I think I will always call him Badishes now, lol, he's gonna hate me).

linki tedxtr but I mentioned TH, not sure about why they would/would not remove me from a list though.

linki Dyslexicon I saw that post earlier. I am missing the nuance of that post. I don't think a person has to be a specific role on a team for a different teammate to act on their behalf. If this is not the point, can you spell it out for me?

Secondly, yes, I think that posting is real and it doesn’t even matter if he’s Saitama or not, my point was I expect mafia members to know of each other’s actions so that just spews him not scum.

Wait. I disagree that Mac is spewed as not the silencer/not on the silencing team. But even if he was, as you argue, that does not spew him as not scum, it just spews him as not on that team. Unless you are on the other team.

@S~V~S @Juliets Thoughts? Too simple?

Dizzy, I am having trouble following what you guys are saying. I need to go back and read ted's whole post so I understand what he's referencing.

This, Iam not understanding what I am being asked

sig thinks Saitama silenced him, and he thinks Mac is Saitama. I think any number of people might silence sig, this is also a role, and not on the same team as Saitama:

Architect - Each night, you will switch two players, so that each is hit by the player targeting the other. *secrets*

linki quote:

linki @Dyslexicon I saw that post earlier. I am missing the nuance of that post. I don't think a person has to be a specific role on a team for a different teammate to act on their behalf. If this is not the point, can you spell it out for me?

That is not the point. I'll explain:
Ted says the Mac spewed himself as not a member of the silencing-team, ergo ONE of the mafia teams.
He then concludes this spews Mac as not scum.
But that is not a conclusion you can draw. Even if Ted is right, that just means Mac is not on THAT mafia team. There's still another team. I wonder if this is a slip of mind that Ted is on the other team himself.

Does this make sense?

Ted is basically saying: "[This] proves that Mac is not on Team A which means he's not scum."
And I say:

I'm a bit wary of these slips, cause sometimes it's just bad wording. But still, it may be something.

Thank you, now I understand. Teds syntax is not unlike mine, he writes like he's talking. I tend not to read too far into things like that becasue I know it gets me in trouble at times. I have seen a lot of posts from a lot of people in this game that sound like they are skewed to the one team perspective. That analysis of what he said strikes me a little tinfoil, I don't think civvies worry about precision wording as much as baddies, BUT I think you know him better than I do, this is the first time I have seen him. It he normally a precise individual?

Based on my own thread read of Mac, I feel his Nutella push was a natural progression, and the main reason I had suspicion of him was that nutella push.

I moved to [VOTE: G Man] aubergine for now.

Linki Sloonei I made a post about the progression from Nutella=Civ" to "Nutella=bad" on Macs part, I thought he felt natural there. Feel free to read it!

S~V~S I don't know Ted at all. Thanks for the response.

What makes you think Dys has experience with me?

You are both playing here in the last year, while I have not. No nefarious reason. It was an assumption, and apparently a poor one.

My gut is telling me to vote Jack.

Your gut on me sucks.

Why would you even suspect me?

I'll provide ample reasons in due time.

Well you had best start, it doesn'tlook like your have that much time, lol.

G-Man I skimmed your post and you made some stuff up about my game, I am disappoint. I talk too much regardless of alignment

Master Radishes I skimmed over your post where you say I am "clinging" to your wagon (orsomething to that effect online at Target, why am I so pathetic?) and that is not true, I switched my vote off of you within an hour or so of getting online earlier.

Jeez, you people.

I would be interested in nutells take on Mac during her lynch, if she is around and has a dead post to spare.

My suspicion of Mac was based on his behavior during her lynch, and reading back, his progression seemed pretty natural to me. It did not have the baddie stink about it.

I should be back in about an hour, maybe less.

I would be interested in nutells take on Mac during her lynch, if she is around and has a dead post to spare.

My suspicion of Mac was based on his behavior during her lynch, and reading back, his progression seemed pretty natural to me. It did not have the baddie stink about it.

I should be back in about an hour, maybe less.

I'll speak in case she is out of or low on ghost posts: she voiced suspicion of Mac before she was dead. You can piece together her perspective around that point in her post history.

I know that; I meant the wisdom that coems from the afterlife. I love this mechanic! I want someone to use it lol. Lots of games after I die, it all seems so clear

I am not going to vote for TH unless I have no choice. G-Man and MR are the counterwagons here imo. If you don't want to be on me at end of day start.contemplating which of them you want lynched. I would prefer it to be MR over G-Man beacuse the MR suspicion has the right combination of momentum without ever seeming to be able to get over the line. Of the three c'wagons I'd say that's your huckleberr.

I started out there I could go back. I don't wanna lunch TH either.

Need a shower. Still think it’s Mac. Good luck.

There isn't just one.

I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.

I don't understand any of this. "Janitor", how this proves Mac is bad, any of it.

I feel ignorant. Can someone explain this to me like I'm an ignoramus cause obviously I am.

Basically saitama has a one time janitor (hides flip) which was clearly used on dizzy (otherwise default is roles flip, i know yours not used to that). The theory is mac is saitama and used his one time ability bc he is in danger of being lynched. And it just adds to sig's pre-existing theory that Mac one-posted him.

Thank you. But not sure how this fingers Mac specifically but at least I don't feel like you all are speaking a foreign language now.

Linki Jules, thank you also. It was like being surrounded by people speaking Estonian lol

@S~V~S

If you had to quantify it what percent would you say Mac is probably civ?

I am not sure what you are asking me. There are only a few people that I think are more than (random percentage) 65% likely to be civ, and Mac isn't one of them.

But based on my reread of his Day One, I read his posts as a natural progression when taken in context. I have no idea why anyone whould try to NK him Night One, so I think the theory positing a specific sequence of events which make Mac bad is faulty for that reason. It is possible, but I don't find it likely.

So I personally am unlikley to vote for him today.

I wanted to ask you a question too. When I asked Badishes about "baddie", both you and Nanook thought I was implying a slip on Radishes part.

Why did you go after Nanook so hard, but not Radishes?

That sounds stupid so let’s phrase this differently:
If Mac is scum, is there anyone who is surely also scum?
Lynch them instead.
Mac has a very limited range of possibilities and if we lynch him on autopilot and we’re wrong we risk having no leads on what will soon be a fully powered scum team.

And you think this person is me? Pray tell why.

You’re my stall vote before I get my computer out to do the work. I’m trying to figure out why I read you as town you on day 1. Realistically, you’re fifth suspect on the list but you’re first suspect for being on the team we need to kill someone on.

I look forward to hearing your reasoning.

@S~V~S

If you had to quantify it what percent would you say Mac is probably civ?

I am not sure what you are asking me. There are only a few people that I think are more than (random percentage) 65% likely to be civ, and Mac isn't one of them.

But based on my reread of his Day One, I read his posts as a natural progression when taken in context. I have no idea why anyone whould try to NK him Night One, so I think the theory positing a specific sequence of events which make Mac bad is faulty for that reason. It is possible, but I don't find it likely.

So I personally am unlikley to vote for him today.

I wanted to ask you a question too. When I asked Badishes about "baddie", both you and Nanook thought I was implying a slip on Radishes part.

Why did you go after Nanook so hard, but not Radishes?

Can you explain the “natural progression” you saw? Because my D1 Mac read is the opposite. He flipped his reads on Nutella and me with seemingly no progression at all.

This is the post where I discussed my view on Macs nutella suspicion. You may or may not value it, though, as it starts based on a thought TH brought up, and I know you suspect him. I spoilered it, it's a big post.

Re G-Man and the manipulation, duh. Of course manipulation is the name of the game, but that post was hard and heavy, and I don't know that I see it coming from G Man, becasue he knows me well enough to know that I would possibly be "reality" upset by it. G Man is like Golden, in that some things are not in his personal ethical playbook. So I will not activbely work against his lynch, cause otherwise he looks bad as all fuck, but I won't be voting for him.

Re Discord, maybe I will try it again. I never really liked since since I have a tad bit of social anxiety, and the times I went it was SO MANY people, and many of them were using names I did not know them by, so they felt like strangers, etc.

Spoiler: show

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

Why would baddie Mac express a strong townread on nutella and then flip flop just as soon? Why would a bad guy do that? It's a townie maneuever, just like your exact opposite flip flop was (I assume) townie.

I like this post, it makes sense to me. I had not seen it this way, I missed his "Nutella is town" posts.

This was Tuesday night,

Nutella is town

This was Weds night,

Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

And this one, about an hour after ^^ he started to change mind, you can almost see it.

Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

You his teammate? Lmao you know better than this.

I was just thinking you're probably bad anyway. Then this. C'mon man

You have literally been in scum teams with me where you have been immediately caught by Jack and lamented profoundly how well he reads you. So your defense here is hilariously bad.

Then his next post, he made up his mind.

Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

You his teammate? Lmao you know better than this.

I was just thinking you're probably bad anyway. Then this. C'mon man

You have literally been in scum teams with me where you have been immediately caught by Jack and lamented profoundly how well he reads you. So your defense here is hilariously bad.

Did you like even read his posts tho. He's wrong and he even said he might be at first, then he doubled down.

I'm not a wolf. Use your own brain, not Jack's.

So he had a little doubt at first as is normal and then soul read you the way that he always does when he's right about you... noted.

This looks very much like a civ minded progression, it looks honest and real, not contrived and set up.

I feel pretty meh on sprit though. I don't think his nanook vote was nearly as bad as you seem to think, but I think his Mac vote was really bad.

I'm metagaming a bit here, I find it very unlikely that Nanook came back bad because I think a bad team would have recruited a replacement if the null role was bad between Monday when the roles went out and Friday when Nanook came in. I think his "OMG Nanook voted for Colin" outrage was fauxrage. I hated that vote tbh.

Everyone who suspects you is a Mac teammate, sig? Why did you go for Nanook rather than Radishes, the one supposed to have slipped, during Baddiegate?

Don't have much time right now just popping in, but that's very lame there was no night kill, which added into my idea.

Also trying to say I knew since I was on team is a cornering move especially in a game with no infodumping.

Who said it was info? You?

Linki Jackofhearts2005 self targeting is allowed, yes? But yeah.

It seems I am very rusty,looking at my earlier GTH list, after reading last nights conversation, it sucks lolol.

I will redo one tonight, maybe doing in thread GTH reads might be a good exercise if lots of us are here?

G-Man what are your thoughts on sig and Mac, and TSP and ted if you have caught up to last nights discussion?

All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?

All you guys complaining about two baddie teams, I would think you would rather eliminate the one team so you can play they way you are used to playing. If the theory is that Mac is on the Masters team becasue of the janitored kill, wouldn't you want to get rid of the Anti Monitor first? Since they are already two down?

Did you read Dizzy's last ghost post? They made the point that since the kill does get passed along, the ideal situation would be to identify the fourth member of anti monitor, keep them alive and blocked/neutralized, while we get the other team. Makes sense right?

Yes, it does actually. That would perform the same basic function as eliminating them, since you could hunt for just one set of baddies, and the Masters would only be able to suspect civvies, which would make it harder to be them.

My point, though, was from the perspective of making the game easier to solve, having a one baddie team would be easier to solve, especially for the people who are mostly used to that kind of game. So a sig lynch ismore logical than a Mac lynch.

Mac currently leads by 1.

G Man moved his vote

I am finding this one a bit difficult to follow. S~V~S's earliest takes on Mac were negative, and she provided reasons that strike me as vague. She made a meta connection to a previous GOC in which Mac "made a big splash" as a bad guy, and she felt he was doing the same here. I'm not sure what that means, or if it can be stated that a civilian Mac doesn't make "big splashes" too. She expanded her suspicion when she provided her big GTH reads post by referencing Mac's treatment of nutella. Then, when Turnip Head came in and provided a counter-argument, she accepted it with wide open arms and never looked back. She provided a quick review of Mac herself and determined that his progression on nutella looked natural -- I cannot discern why it's natural, or why she felt it was unnatural previously. She stood in Mac's corner on Days 2 and 3, both vocally and in the poll, and did not seem interested in the arguments presented against him. If there's an overt defender of Mac on his team, S~V~S looks like a viable candidate.

Compatibility: High

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

People's treatment of Mac continued

Nanook 2

Nanook 1 said close to nothing about Mac. He called him 50/50. Nanook 1 officially acknowledged.

Spoiler: show

I could probably go for a Mac vote too tbh

Sorry it's the weekend and weekend is family time so I'm not gonna post much on the weekend. Weekend. Someone wanna give me cliffs?

you’re bad

Yet you’re comfortable voting with him

Calling my Mac vote

Oh but it holds true for you too

Jfc you really are the same person

Mac just voted moments ago. I don't really care about that logic anyway -- it is too restrictive.

Fair nuff

I mean tbf radish is the logical self prez vote yeah? Been pressure on him since yesterday and two Colin voters are saying they’d vote mac (I think you were a Colin voter?)

I’d be happy killing drago too tbh I forgot he was ostensibly playing

Think we should wait a day on g-man, feels bad to kill him while he can’t really talk properly since he hasn’t really been overtly scummy imo

Why drago?

Pretty sure there’s two scum in the day one non-entities, i.e. tranq drago Colin and g-man

I’d kill any of them, mac, or SVS right now

I mean in the 4 games I’ve played here every time a lurker TK is brought up it gets some serious side eye and a healthy dose of “must be lazy scum not wanting to push an active player,” lol

Well I wasn’t town in any of those games, and I’m the best and and most open minded civilian player on the site, objectively and officially speaking. I accept your proposal of lynching a low poster as a viable strategy for this game moving forward. :signofthecross emoji:

Now whether or not it’s the best strategy at any given moment is a different story. I still think we have a good amount of legitimately suspicious content in this thread.

I mean I’m voting for mac, so obviously I don’t disagree with you

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

I really really really really dislike his flip flop on how he read me and Nutella. He declared me a wolf and Nutella one we should follow after the two of us started battling. Then like 12 hours later, I was town and Nutella was scum because I read her perfectly.

His argument for Nutella being scum exists in its entirety at the time he expressed a strong townread on her. His read change does not come from a town perspective. It comes from a scum perspective mimicking townplay, ie trusting Jack's Nutella read.

I was guessing at turnip’s reason, not endorsing it if I’m right. Obviously I think mac is mafia, my vote is on him.

The other thing that makes me feel OK about a mac TK is that we have actual battle lines over it, people are invested on both sides, as opposed to radishes where we have a few people invested in killing him and everyone else seemingly kind of shrugging and going “eh, idk, maybe?”

And I tend to think that in a game like this a polarized TK is more likely to lead to scum than one where the strongest defense against it amounts to a half hearted “idk he’s kinda null.”

I mean I’m just not really willing to think that anyone is going to seriously consider a world where one of the scum teams had to play short handed for an entire cycle

Hey so like I'm not scum so could you like not vote to lynch me plz?

I mean I kinda think you are, so

I mean I’m just not really willing to think that anyone is going to seriously consider a world where one of the scum teams had to play short handed for an entire cycle

Hey so like I'm not scum so could you like not vote to lynch me plz?

I mean I kinda think you are, so

I promise I am not though. If you vote someone else you will be happy at the end of the game that you ignored your intuition in favour of arbitrarily trusting me for no apparent reason.

I mean that is a pretty compelling argument tbh, I’m almost swayed

The other thing that makes me feel OK about a mac TK is that we have actual battle lines over it, people are invested on both sides, as opposed to radishes where we have a few people invested in killing him and everyone else seemingly kind of shrugging and going “eh, idk, maybe?”

And I tend to think that in a game like this a polarized TK is more likely to lead to scum than one where the strongest defense against it amounts to a half hearted “idk he’s kinda null.”

I dunno, it seems like the only thing that's likely to happen after I get mislynched is that you mislynch Turnip Head for TMI or some dumb shit.

Idk if I’d ever go turnip head over like half the roster tbh

Hi I’d like to introduce you to a concept known as the fake derp clear, have you been introduced before or is this your first time?

I would've perceived it as fake if I had a reason to believe he was scum. Which I don't. Because, once again, he has nothing scummy about him.

Jumping from me not having any reasoning to scum read a slot that I've easily scum read in the past to believing an alleged "fake attempt at derp clear because he's scum" requires some kind of mental contortion to get to that conclusion.

I mean you’re pushing something that just isn’t AI as a reason to TR mac, and it just isn’t.

Hi I’d like to introduce you to a concept known as the fake derp clear, have you been introduced before or is this your first time?

I would've perceived it as fake if I had a reason to believe he was scum. Which I don't. Because, once again, he has nothing scummy about him.

Jumping from me not having any reasoning to scum read a slot that I've easily scum read in the past to believing an alleged "fake attempt at derp clear because he's scum" requires some kind of mental contortion to get to that conclusion.

I mean you’re pushing something that just isn’t AI as a reason to TR mac, and it just isn’t.

My point was that I'm not seeing scum Mac here unlike his Inception game where I sniped his ass page 10 or something.

Reading a game is significantly different than playing it, but kudos I guess

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

I could be persuaded to vote Mac pretty easily.

Hey you should vote mac

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

I could be persuaded to vote Mac pretty easily.

Hey you should vote mac

wow okay that sounds good [VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

I should run for office

I mean great she agrees that mac is scum, yay, but putting her reads as part of your reasoning is pretty garbage imo

I don’t even think radishes is a bad kill, I just don’t understand why we aren’t killing mac tbh

I don’t even think radishes is a bad kill, I just don’t understand why we aren’t killing mac tbh

Lynch this guy please

You don’t have the Jimmy Johnson’s

Should be a teammate between the D1 nutella voters and the D2 mac voters. I’ll look for overlap when I’m not at 10%

D1 Nanook is confirmed you dipstick

Anyways, sabie and Dom are likely radish partners. Possibly one between jay/SvS/sloonei as well cause syndicate likes to bus.

Why Dom?

Nutella and Mac votes

By votes jack is a viable partner for radishes.

By tone he’s probably town.

By toan says noted Jack expert Nanook the conqueror.

Oh right I forgot I’m only allowed to make RNG reads.

A massive eye roll and a hearty fuck off

Hey bitches I'm back in the land of the living!!

After that eod i am thinking I may have been wrong about mac and I have liked his engagement/analysis since. He could still be on the non radishes team and be genuinely hunting,but with how the votes stayed in him like that it seems unlikely.

I agree with the assessments that gman and sabie look like radish teammates. Sprit's vote was also quiiiiite bad but I town read him otherwise so more hesitant to make a hard and fast judgment there.

I would have to be super, super wrong about Jack for him to be bad.

Ditto. I’m open to the possibility, and I hope to ISO him myself soon, but I can’t bring myself to shake off my town read.

I keep noticing you earnestly replying to drivel you should be ignoring or eviscerating and I think I've caught you this way before.

L o v e T h i s

Votes staying on him doesn’t make him more likely town, that logic doesn’t apply in multiball

If chuck is a teammate he open wolfed his Mac vote in a way a lot of mafia players aren’t comfortable doing.

Also, question for everyone: What should be the game plan going forward? Should we try to lynch Radish team and follow those leads? Or should we try to find and expose the other team? Or should be do both/come what may?

I have some thoughts, but I think it's an interesting question.

We've had two GOAT lynches, and the game is still over 36 % scum. That is hilarious and sad. This is what I mean when I say big multiball games should have a multilynch option.

Radishes team first, then we worry about Mac’s team

Still think it’s better to hunt the radishes/sabie team first tbh. Very likely to be one busser on the radishes vote, we should be looking there probably.

I’m not opposed to a Mac vote but I don’t think he’s a radish teammate so

SVS Jay and Sloonei probably the Radish voters I’m most interested in as bussers

I’d probably kill between them and tranq today

Maybe nutella/drago if I’m ignoring my desire to play with Nutella

Tbh I’d probably kill the other three over sloonei too

No interest in Mac today in lieu of sig's theory?

I mean I still think there’s a good chance he’s mafia, yeah, but I’m prioritizing the radish/sabie team. I don’t super care about the other team tbh, if we get obviously great but that’s not my priority today

To be clear I don’t super care about sig’s theory, but nothing between yesterday and today made me think “oh mac isn’t mafia”

To be clear I support a Mac TK and still think he’s >rand scum

Just don’t think he’s scum on the team I’m prioritizing today

SVS and tranq are also votes I’m happy with. Maybe even Dom, though he seems kinda different than what I remember from being his teammate.

I understand the want to kill mac, I don’t super get the swing of attention away from the rabies team (see what I did there?)

You lot play weird

Self voting is typically NAI, and not usually worth reading into unless a player has a (meaningfully large sample size) history of only doing it as one alignment.

I'm just going off mac's history of fighting for his life as town. He fights as wolf too sure, but in this case I'd buy that he is tired of how the game has been going for him and figures his best chance at a win is sacrificing himself and letting his teammates go on. (and maybe he figures if he resigns to being lynched we're less likely to figure out who those might be -- though ofc some people are still defending him, but that doesn't make them his teammates)

Or he’s town sick of this shit. It’s NAI

To be clear I think he’s a wolf, I just don’t think that’s why he’s a wolf

Distinctions like this are scummy.

Disagree. I say stuff like that all the time.

idk what nanook is talking about here

I think mac is a wolf, I think self voting is NAI

I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

. . .

You're talking about even if Mac is scum, right?

Yes. Multiball.

To clarify, Dyz was killed on N2 by the Master's Team. The Antimonitor's team contained Sabie and Radishes. So yeah, it's basically impossible that Dyz was a wolf. Not sure if Nanook2 saying to ignore Dyz is scummy or just a derp.

@sig why did you think Mac was the kill target? I understand the idea that the town wouldn't protect Mac so he's scum if he was shot but why do you think he was shot?

Not impossible, just unlikely. She could also be 3p

Given her ghost post tho I’m willing to pretend she’s town

I want to vote tranq but then I also think Mac and Jay are above rand to be scum so....that's pretty much how this game has gone though

You’re right mac, I’m not treating this game Super Seriously. I’m treating this game as a game. Because it’s what I do with moments of free time to distract myself. Not really interested in the MAFIA IS SERIOUS BUSINESS AND ANYBODY THAT DOESNT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY IS A PIECE OF SHIT THAT SHOULD GO PLAY CHARADES INSTEAD approach

Radish/sabie team targeting Mac and Mac not dying doesn’t automatically make Mac scum (actually it makes him 50/50, roughly)

So it’s not quite as clear cut as “kill Mac and we know sig’s alignment.”

Mac’s flip doesn’t really confirm or refute anything on sig either imo. Like even if he flips a role that doesn’t have NK protection the people that think sig slipped are just going to say “oh well Mac just got docced and they thought he was the Master*!”

Imo one of their alignments doesn’t say anything more about the other than most randomly selected pairs.



*i don’t remember if this is the correct role but I’m too lazy to check. You’re all smart enough to know what I’m saying, hopefully.

Calling a Mac vote obviously

Just getting these quotes down before I lose the post. I am doing lab work and will assess in a bit.

There's an argument here for Nanook being compatible -- that he consistently suspected Mac and welcomed a Mac lynch while favoring a pursuit of the other team instead. It's an argument that kind of bores me, particularly given that he did end up voting Mac on Day 3. I think his opposition to Mac looks genuine for the most part. It isn't clear why he did choose to place the Mac vote in the end instead of sig or whoever else, so @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME can speak to that. My intuition tells me no here.

Compatibility: Minor

It is clear—I thought/think that sig is decent chance to be lassie.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It is clear—I thought/think that sig is decent chance to be lassie.

k noted

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm skipping sig.

I very much want to skip Sloonei, but here goes.

Sloonei

Spoiler: show

I made one mistake:
MacDougall

all these years I never noticed Mac's big D.

Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

MacDougall
Epignosis

I’d call it unlikely, but I don’t object to tugging at this thread. Why are you tagging epi and mac specifically?

Posts that are longer than a few lines of text are still hurting my head. I apologize.

Sloonei tell me about Mac

Idk. Mac is my biggest blindspot. All I remember from him in this game is that he supported jack’s read against nutella. I’d like to see more from him, but I don’t think lack of activity is alignment indicative for him.

I don’t think he’s called me scum yet, and that’s noteworthy.

Sorry it's the weekend and weekend is family time so I'm not gonna post much on the weekend. Weekend. Someone wanna give me cliffs?

you’re bad

Sorry it's the weekend and weekend is family time so I'm not gonna post much on the weekend. Weekend. Someone wanna give me cliffs?

you’re bad

I'm gonna be pretty sad if I get lynched. I'd appreciate at least being given some idea of why I'm a suspect. Is it because I'm not posting much?

I don’t think lack of activity is alignment indicative for you.

Jackofhearts2005, sig why are you voting for me?

sig can't post
feel free to respond to his case though

Jackofhearts2005, sig why are you voting for me?

sig can't post
feel free to respond to his case though

Ok thank you.

@sig it's true that I profile likely so I can see why you'd think that. Even if you weren't suspecting me I would probably silence you if I had that role because it feels like tradition for me to use irritating roles on you. But unfortunately your logic beyond it being on point for meta doesn't hold up. I didn't read a single post during the night. I didn't even know you were suspecting me during the previous phase until I just read your post when Sloonei linked it, or at least I don't remember it. And my content/tone isn't a scum indicative thing for me.

Be mindful of the fact that I think there are quite a few people who would silence you night 1 who aren't me also. I'm sorry but you're barking up the wrong tree. I think you should probably apply the same logic when considering others though.

Earlier I pointed out that Radishes responded to a case in a similar manner to this. "I see why you think that, but let me rearrange some words for ya!"
Mac, why did you choose to address sig from the perspective of whether or not you could/would have silenced him today? Why do you think sig was targeted by that role? And who do you think we should lynch today?

All groovy, juliets. I can wait til tomorrow.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine and his big D.

Shit wait, I didn’t realize Mac already had a ton of votes on him. That’s boring. My vote doesn’t need to be there.
[VOTE: G-man] aubergine

I don't think Dyslexicon is fully above board here but I base that on nothing concrete.

What do you base it on?

I mean in the 4 games I’ve played here every time a lurker TK is brought up it gets some serious side eye and a healthy dose of “must be lazy scum not wanting to push an active player,” lol

Well I wasn’t town in any of those games, and I’m the best and and most open minded civilian player on the site, objectively and officially speaking. I accept your proposal of lynching a low poster as a viable strategy for this game moving forward. :signofthecross emoji:

Now whether or not it’s the best strategy at any given moment is a different story. I still think we have a good amount of legitimately suspicious content in this thread.

I mean I’m voting for mac, so obviously I don’t disagree with you

Word. I want to see Mac do Mac things today.

Mac, I once again am asking you to clarify why you wanted someone you claim is baddie (me) to corroborate a piece of evidence for you.

Because there are two scum teams

Mac is town, this quote is exhibit A

X plane

I will explain it after someone attempts to interpret what I mean

If I squint at that whole exchange, the most pro-town argument for Mac that I can come up with is that it indicates he’s operating in a mindset that suggests an awareness of the two mafia teams as competing factions that can be weighed and used against each other. I could buy that in a vacuum.

Your turn.

Cause town has perverse incentive to cooperate with scum that have good SRs on the opposite team, so you see mac as doing that and think it’s a townie mindset

Would be my guess anyways

That's exactly what I think. Baddie Mac doesn't make that post, his instinct would be to write with a different angle

idgi

Even in death, nutella tunnels me.

I moved my vote off of Mac because it’s early in the day and I want to use my vote to emphasize discussion. I made this same point when I voted for juliets. I make this same point in most games that I play. A vote on Mac at this stage just maintains the status quo. He’s a candidate to be lynched and I don’t object to that. I’d like him to do more things so I can have a clearer sense of where his head’s at in this game. But I don’t need my vote to be on him to get that to happen right now. G-man is another candidate who’s not getting as much attention, so I put my vote on him instead. I am aware of the deadline and will cast a meaningful vote when that is approaching.

I’ve made a version of this post a hundred times before.

Thank you for your thoughts, ghostella.

Jack isn't town here. If there's one read you should come back to if/when I die it should be this one. I can best summarise it by saying that he feels like he is only half attempting to scum hunt when compared to his actual range. Which would be forgiveable if he wasn't also ever present. He is holding back. Actually this is probably explains why I've had suspicion on a range of other players too. Jay, Sloonei, S~V~S, TSP, Dyslexicon all fit the bill.

I can’t see anything but town Jack in this game. There was a burst of emotion (not a deliberate appeal to emotion) on Day 1 that I thought projected a level of agitation that would not have been reached if he was bad.

Jack isn't town here. If there's one read you should come back to if/when I die it should be this one. I can best summarise it by saying that he feels like he is only half attempting to scum hunt when compared to his actual range. Which would be forgiveable if he wasn't also ever present. He is holding back. Actually this is probably explains why I've had suspicion on a range of other players too. Jay, Sloonei, S~V~S, TSP, Dyslexicon all fit the bill.

I can’t see anything but town Jack in this game. There was a burst of emotion (not a deliberate appeal to emotion) on Day 1 that I thought projected a level of agitation that would not have been reached if he was bad.

Then you aren't town either.

That makes sense.

I don't think Dyslexicon is fully above board here but I base that on nothing concrete.

What do you base it on?

MacDougall care to finish this thought?

I can understand that some people wanna catch the big fish. Especially you big game hunter types like Sig. And we all know the big fish is the Big Mac. I get it. It's the big dick move. Mac is scum, we did it fam! Let's all rejoice we killed the King.

But consider how dumb you will all feel when I flip town and you have left Dragomir alive.

Now I am not saying we should lynch Dragomir. In fact I don't really think that listening to my reads is actually all that good of an idea given I have probably read about 10% of the total game posts. But still.

You are not saying we should lynch Dragomir. So what are you saying?

@Sloonei read posts.

Jack isn't town here. If there's one read you should come back to if/when I die it should be this one. I can best summarise it by saying that he feels like he is only half attempting to scum hunt when compared to his actual range. Which would be forgiveable if he wasn't also ever present. He is holding back. Actually this is probably explains why I've had suspicion on a range of other players too. Jay, Sloonei, S~V~S, TSP, Dyslexicon all fit the bill.

I’d ask you to explain this read, but I imagine it will go the same way as when I asked nanook the explain how colin is “disinterested” earlier.
At the time of your initial “above board” post, you seemed to be referencing something specific happening in the moment. What was that?

I can understand that some people wanna catch the big fish. Especially you big game hunter types like Sig. And we all know the big fish is the Big Mac. I get it. It's the big dick move. Mac is scum, we did it fam! Let's all rejoice we killed the King.

But consider how dumb you will all feel when I flip town and you have left Dragomir alive.

Now I am not saying we should lynch Dragomir. In fact I don't really think that listening to my reads is actually all that good of an idea given I have probably read about 10% of the total game posts. But still.

You are not saying we should lynch Dragomir. So what are you saying?

That I'm only getting suspicion from people because people hate me.

Why do these two posts exist?

@Sloonei read posts.

Jack isn't town here. If there's one read you should come back to if/when I die it should be this one. I can best summarise it by saying that he feels like he is only half attempting to scum hunt when compared to his actual range. Which would be forgiveable if he wasn't also ever present. He is holding back. Actually this is probably explains why I've had suspicion on a range of other players too. Jay, Sloonei, S~V~S, TSP, Dyslexicon all fit the bill.

I’d ask you to explain this read, but I imagine it will go the same way as when I asked nanook the explain how colin is “disinterested” earlier.
At the time of your initial “above board” post, you seemed to be referencing something specific happening in the moment. What was that?

I wasn't.

I can understand that some people wanna catch the big fish. Especially you big game hunter types like Sig. And we all know the big fish is the Big Mac. I get it. It's the big dick move. Mac is scum, we did it fam! Let's all rejoice we killed the King.

But consider how dumb you will all feel when I flip town and you have left Dragomir alive.

Now I am not saying we should lynch Dragomir. In fact I don't really think that listening to my reads is actually all that good of an idea given I have probably read about 10% of the total game posts. But still.

You are not saying we should lynch Dragomir. So what are you saying?

That I'm only getting suspicion from people because people hate me.

Why do these two posts exist?

What the fuck are you talking about?

This whole comment chain. Your initial post was some weird rant about Big Fish with a conspicuous nod to Drago, who you’re then careful to say you don’t want to lynch. What is the purpose of this? What function does it serve in the game of mafia?

I humored Mac and looked at Drago’s posts. There’s nothing there. He offers a limited-perspective scum read on jack based off of juliets’ cliff notes of Day 1. Other than that he says hi and bounces.

Dragomir get on in here and tell us what’s going on and we’ll, I dunno, teach you how to fly or something.

You are not saying we should lynch Dragomir. So what are you saying?

That I'm only getting suspicion from people because people hate me.

Why do these two posts exist?

What the fuck are you talking about?

This whole comment chain. Your initial post was some weird rant about Big Fish with a conspicuous nod to Drago, who you’re then careful to say you don’t want to lynch. What is the purpose of this? What function does it serve in the game of mafia?

So I like to make people laugh, so sometimes I make posts that are designed to make people laugh. Sometimes when I make posts like that I like to layer it with some game relevant content. Because I was ISOing Dragomir and realised he's done nothing and the idea of ya boy getting lynched over Dragonothere is some bullshit.

But yeah the primary reason is because humour you fucking accountant ass motherfucker.

Mafia is not a joke, MacDougall.

I also want to go on record that I’m disappointed nobody acknowledged that I randomly told Drago that sprityo is confirmed town. Like I was expecting him or anyone to pick that up and do something with it, I thought it be interesting but now it’s past. Maybe Drago just accepted it and is going to operate in this game with the assumption that sprit is town.

Guilty minded Sloo Sloo

Hijinks gone to waste.

I don’t know. I need to go to sleep. Funny Mac, do things to make me believe that you are town and somebody else deserves to be lynched more than you.

Also @mac some people have alluded to your treatment of Jack/nutella on Day 1 as opportunistic or somehow suspicious. Jay and sig mentioned it, I think. Maybe nanook too? Addressing your mindset there might help.

Oompa loompa doompadee durst,
When did I ever say I was cursed?



More after I eat some lunch.

I never thought you were cursed, but when the assumption went around, you didn't correct it earlier, did you?

Self imposed posting restrictions are a great way for a baddie to hide out, and your content is slim. I will be here on and off all day, give me some of those sweet accountant analyses, G Man.

I want you to make me believe you, you know I do.

Self-imposed restrictions are a good way to hide IF the player is hiding behind the restriction. Do we think that G-man is doing that here?

I also acknowledge that you made a post about Mac’s Day 1. I will take a closer look at that soon.

Upon reviewing the whole of Mac's re-entry into the thread last night, I find myself uninspired by essentially all of it. Someone please tell me why Mac is a civilian.

I can’t, and for once I feel like I have a tangible suspicion against him as well: his “joke” about Dragomir that we had a short spat over. It was bizarre and of of nowhere, and after sleeping on it I feel like it was an attempt to slide the conversation back to a previous discussion (lynching a low poster, which both nanook and I had expressed tentative support for a little while earlier) without directly endorsing it or making it too obvious what he was doing. It looked like an awkward attempt at a transition disguised as a joke. If he genuinely wanted us to look at a low poster, he just needed to say so.

~skipping a ton for the sake of brevity~

mac, stroking his nipples, telling us all what a bad boy he's been

Alright fine mac, gimme a town read or two.

linki: oh

math is wonderful

what TSP is doing is not mathematics. : (

It is. It’s just the kind of math townies don’t like to listen to, along with logic like “even if I am scum....”

Townies generally want to vote for the player they suspect the most, which is Sig, not the player who is most likely to flip mafia, which is Mac.

It doesn’t really matter because we’re probably lynching them both and they’re probably both flipping mafia but

Tony’s logic is sound.

Lynch Sig and he flips wolf -> lynch Mac
Lynch Sig and he flips town -> lynch Mac
Lynch Mac and he flips bulletproof wolf -> lynch Sig
Lynch Mac and he flips town -> a decent chunk of the Sig case falls away -> maybe don’t lynch Sig.

Logically, mathematically, that makes Mac the best lynch.

Realistically, people suspect Sig the most and Sig will be lynched today. That’s of course fine because there’s good reason for that suspicion. We just need to follow up on Mac tomorrow, especially because he’ll have three teammates running interference and I’m betting we’ll see some new cases starting up on townies tomorrow.

Sig and mac are not in any way dependent on each other for me. I want to lynch sig because he looks very bad in relation to the two dead mafia. I lean negative on Mac for a few entirely self-contained things.

Lest I encourage bad behavior, I want to point out that Dom gets more emotional as a townie and I need some smart sounding reads right now for my own ego.

I hate to tell you that this isn't true.


But he's saying what my point against Colin has been from day 1. Colin's participation only increases when his team tells him he's in hot water.

I talk more when I have something to say.
When people are talking to me or asking me questions, I have more things to say.
I get it if people agree with you/Mac/etc but my activity is and forever will be NAI these days and a lot of y’all should know better.

What’s the single most compelling point about either sig or mac that you have seen?

Additionally, if we tie the poll, or if sig has a 1-2 vote lead over Mac, but mac ends up lynched instead, that's further confirmation that sig is bad.

In a vacuum I do not object to a Mac lynch, but I am much more confident that sig will net us a bad guy today.

Jack is bad. Sig is town.

Talk to me about these reads.

Jack is bad. Sig is town.

Talk to me about these reads.

The primary reasons for reading Sig as scum are by virtue of knowing I am scum, which I am not and through interactions with dead scum, which I agree look bad but I think Jack and a few others look bad by this measure too.

Jack is revelling in this dichotomy and has somehow skated by again. I think he's bad and fostering this false dichotomy. If Sig is not Jack's partner then he is not Mafia, and I don't think Jack would be playing this way if his partner was up for lynch.

Sig is right about how it's strange that people who have tunneled me are now voting him. It reminds me of another game I played where the Mafia kept the primary mislynch bait alive and kept knocking off other civilians. I think that lynching Sig is being led by the other scum faction.

I’ll grant you that Jack might look bad in relation to Radishes/sabie. I haven’t looked closely at him, but I have reason to be wary of him. I don’t know if I’d say he looks worse than sig, and even if he does we’d still have one more person on that team. Who else looks worse than sig?

What are you asking me, nutella? I'm quite behind and don't know the context.

If sig is bad, there’s a 50% chance he starts the day with -2 votes. A tie doesn’t do much and may just be ensuring a mac lynch.

Jack is bad. Sig is town.

Talk to me about these reads.

The primary reasons for reading Sig as scum are by virtue of knowing I am scum, which I am not and through interactions with dead scum, which I agree look bad but I think Jack and a few others look bad by this measure too.

Jack is revelling in this dichotomy and has somehow skated by again. I think he's bad and fostering this false dichotomy. If Sig is not Jack's partner then he is not Mafia, and I don't think Jack would be playing this way if his partner was up for lynch.

Sig is right about how it's strange that people who have tunneled me are now voting him. It reminds me of another game I played where the Mafia kept the primary mislynch bait alive and kept knocking off other civilians. I think that lynching Sig is being led by the other scum faction.

I’ll grant you that Jack might look bad in relation to Radishes/sabie. I haven’t looked closely at him, but I have reason to be wary of him. I don’t know if I’d say he looks worse than sig, and even if he does we’d still have one more person on that team. Who else looks worse than sig?

I didnt say worse though think Sprityo (who I somehow forgot in the last post) looks bad by that measure. Dom and Nanook do too.

I basically forgot sprityo was even playing this tame. What has he done?
I don’t disagree about including Dom’s name in this discussion, but I would not put him in the same tier as sig.

Nutella talk to me about Sloonei and vice versa.

My inclination is to lean town on her, but that’s not based on anything concrete. I like her progression on sig: she started out by mocking me for bringing him up as a suspect but quickly came around on the case. It looked like vintage nutella.

What are you asking me, nutella? I'm quite behind and don't know the context.

If sig is bad, there’s a 50% chance he starts the day with -2 votes. A tie doesn’t do much and may just be ensuring a mac lynch.

And then MacDougall gets lynched instead, which is apparently the itinerary for Day 4 as I understand it. What's it matter?

The ghost of Dyslexicon laid out a plan for isolating the last remaining member of sig’s supposed team. Also sig is more bad than Mac.

Watch and behold as the Sloonei/nutella kerfuffle goes absolutely nowhere.

This isn’t a kerfuffle. I’d struggle to even call it a hoopla.

Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.

That would be a complete disaster, tbh.

Watch and behold as the Sloonei/nutella kerfuffle goes absolutely nowhere.

This isn’t a kerfuffle. I’d struggle to even call it a hoopla.

Skirmish?

A skirmish is worse than a kerfuffle, are you insane?

Inb4 the masters team is sum bs like Jay/Nut/Sloo/Epi.

What do you suppose the two of them would be doing right now if they weren't mafia teammates?

Insightful point Jay

I believe it was a question.

Mac currently leads by 1.

well i hope you guys are right about mac.

There are numerous points here where I feel like I could be reading my own posts. I have zero difficulty following the progression of Sloonei's mindset throughout this helping of quotes, because he followed a progression much like my own. Once he started to pay Mac attention, he gave Mac grief and did not let up from his trademark Sloonei pestering. I don't think this looks like "theater" as you nerds are wont to call it; it looks like standard-issue Sloonei developing a read the way he always does. I am not bothered by his voting pattern. He never made any meaningful motion to keep Mac alive apart from finding the alternative wagons a bit worse on Days 2 and 3. I don't think he's Mac's teammate.

Compatibility: Low

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am not going to get around to Jack in this exercise, but I do have one conclusive thought:

Mac hopping on Jack for a piggy-back ride during the nutella kerfuffle of Day 1 was pure horseshit situated to leave the responsibility for whatever happened on Jack's lap. Doubtful teammates.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey Nanook, "above rand", or really the term "rand" in general, is dumb Mafia lingo too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Snooping speed's posts, and just came upon this guy.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hey Nanook, "above rand", or really the term "rand" in general, is dumb Mafia lingo too.

I’m aware but I’ve been infected and there’s nothing I can do

[JaggedJimmyJay]

speedchuck

Spoiler: show

- Says he doesn't see any ATE in Nutella's posts. I interpreted this as him not seeing any emotion in Nutella's posts which I disagree with. I see a lot of emotion.

Nah, I'm talking about APPEAL to emotion. The idea of 'OMG how could you do this please lynch this person and not me because I'll feel just so awful if you lynch me uwu'

I hate appeal to emotion and it's lost several games to scum on this site.

Ok speed thanks for the clarification.

That said nutella does get a lot more emotional after Mac turns on her. I see why she has votes.

Upon further reflection of ISOs both of these wagons are shiiiiiiiiiiiny turds.

Nutella I can see why people suspect her. The interactions starting when Mac wagoned on look pretty bad. But lynching nutella D1 after she gets defensive over some tunneling is wonky.

I have no idea why anyone would vote Master Radishes.

Having read over the last two pages, Dys and Dom are my top townreads. Their votes are on people I would like to see lynched.

I got twenty minutes. Lets go.

Expand on this, mr chuck

I got weird vibes from Ted D1, and then he appeared reluctant to address Dizzy's 'scumslip' on him. It wasn't the slip itself that bothered me, but his forced nonchalance about it? Something like that. Lol at her flipping votes, though.

The Mac read is nothing special. I agree with what Jay said about his Dom post, and a few other sentiments expressed in the past two pages.

Dizzy and Dom both seemed like fairly stable, level heads in the thread D1. I like town dizzy and town dom.

Bonus: I don't care to lynch G-man.

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

I could be persuaded to vote Mac pretty easily.

Hey you should vote mac

wow okay that sounds good [VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

I 100% disagree about that progression.

Jack was sure Nutella was scum and said so loudly.

Mac said Nutella was town and Jack was scum with basically no explanation.

Then, after nothing changed between Jack and Nutella, Mac adopted the idea that Jack is always right about Nutella and therefore she is bad and if she’s not, whatever. An excuse to pretend that makes Jack scum.

The not tiny part would be an understandable opinion to have if he started with it or he developed it. That didn’t happen. That opinion appears to have spontaneously generated. More likely, Mac saw a way to shade two players who had each accumulated 6ish votes at some point during the day, hoping for a one two lynch and lynch of players not on his team.

It’s worse than no progression. There’s agenda in it.

Sounds pretty non-subtle as flip-flops go. Do you think scum mac would be subtle or no?

I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.

Mac is self voting? Idgi. Does anyone remember him doing this before in a game?

Not sure.

I mean, Sig apparently told him to do so this game. So we should lynch Sig for suggesting it as well.

So we can start with him.

But I have a hit list, and I'm considering putting you on it.

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

I also think anyone hard pushing the “mac has given up, lol gottem” line should be under a close microscope tomorrow

. . .

You're talking about even if Mac is scum, right?

Yes. Multiball.

Oh, right, Multiball.

And here I almost sorta agree with you.

For the record though, sloonei is absolutely mac's teammate idk why y'all are sleeping on that fact.

TonyStarkPrime

Literally first I've heard of this.

(but if he is don't you think we should lynch Mac first? :P)

I can [VOTE: Sig] aubergine for sure, with Mac on the back burner.

@MacDougall talk about players who aren’t voting for/heavily suspecting you. Who are your town reads? Is there anyone you think isn’t getting enough attention?

A great deal of people. The constant focus on myself (and now Sig) is very much allowing for a game environment where people who are absolutely failing in their basic civilian duty, or not living up to their usual standards are receiving little to no pressure. I have reservations about all the below;

Epignosis - Does not appear to be earnestly attempting to achieve a civilian wincon.
ColinIsCool - Only appears to be trying when there is pressure on him.
Michelle - Does not match her meta. Hasn't helped the civ cause really at all.
speedchuck - Does not appear to be the same speedchuck that I am used to seeing.
sprityo - Appears to be totally laying low outside of intermittently FPS reading me scum.
Tranq - Has literally made 5 posts or something.

Mac can you talk about speedchuck? Is it that he isn't posting frequently or something else/combination of things?

I think the lack of speedchuck's content is a large part of it. I am used to him being a more prominent member of the town. I think that with players like speedchuck sometimes basic is the best way to read them. If he is not living up to the normal standards of contribution then it's probably because he has a non town agenda/is putting a lot of his content elsewhere (ie. scum chat).

Have you ever been in scumchat with me?

How chatty am I in scumchat, Mac?

linki: my 'extra content' is going into audio editing, yeah. That's not an excuse, so feel free to suspect me and put attention my way. But it's also an unfortunate truth to work around. Binding freelance contracts are more pressing than mafia.

math is wonderful

what TSP is doing is not mathematics. : (

It is. It’s just the kind of math townies don’t like to listen to, along with logic like “even if I am scum....”

Townies generally want to vote for the player they suspect the most, which is Sig, not the player who is most likely to flip mafia, which is Mac.

It doesn’t really matter because we’re probably lynching them both and they’re probably both flipping mafia but

Tony’s logic is sound.

Lynch Sig and he flips wolf -> lynch Mac
Lynch Sig and he flips town -> lynch Mac
Lynch Mac and he flips bulletproof wolf -> lynch Sig
Lynch Mac and he flips town -> a decent chunk of the Sig case falls away -> maybe don’t lynch Sig.

Logically, mathematically, that makes Mac the best lynch.

Realistically, people suspect Sig the most and Sig will be lynched today. That’s of course fine because there’s good reason for that suspicion. We just need to follow up on Mac tomorrow, especially because he’ll have three teammates running interference and I’m betting we’ll see some new cases starting up on townies tomorrow.

I thought the Sig case was more predicated on his knowledge of the nightkill, not of the alignment he supposed for Mac. That would make Sig's slip irrelevant to Mac's alignment, if his team just got it wrong?

Or did I miss case development overnight?

His knowledge of the nightkill is “I think the mafia shot Mac and he’s the bulletproof guy in the Master mafia.”

So if we’re to read “I think” as “I know” then the chances of Mac also being scum skyrockets.

But there's only one part of that he CAN know, right? Surely there are town roles that can stop a kill?

...

But nobody would have protected Mac. Oh. Lol.

Yeah I could lynch Mac first. [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I've had a suspicion of Sig since D1, before the whole slip biz. I really don't care much whether he or Mac get sacked first.

Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

Speedchuck is short odds to be scum here imo

You never responded to my addressing your accusation earlier.

Am I active in scumchat, Mac?

The meat of this stuff is Day 3, starting with the post I highlighted (just as a marker). speed went back and forth between Mac and sig. I believe he voted each of them twice; he ended on sig and didn't appear to call the vote. I note that his willingness to wield those votes was based primarily upon the comparative "value" or validity of lynching either Mac or sig first relative to the other, with less emphasis upon what made them suspicious -- particularly with Mac. That's not my favorite thing. I am not prepared to dissociate them.

Compatibility: Decent

[MacDougall]

Fwiw I am 99% sure Sig is really mafia but his reaction means he's not the anti monitor so whoever else was responsible for saving him is the likely anti monitor imo. Daddy Nanook fwiw.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sprityo

Spoiler: show

Everybody knows that I am already champion. This is is simply my coronation.

carrot nation

Really though Mac, I draw zero inspiration from calling you an orange boy given that you've done nothing. Show me that I don't have to default.

In due time you sexy voiced man. If you can help me by giving me an outline of your current thoughts that might give me something to chew on. I am a very busy boy sadly so I'm probably gonna be less dog with a bone than most are acquainted with.

Mac is a dog confirmed

Probably also a bounty hunter

Still waiting for those hot takes

We should lynch jack so he can go play the mountain of video games he needs to finish

sprityo can we make out?

Haha no.....

Unless?...

Cool I’m caught up

JaggedJimmyJay you said that I was nominated for mvp for a reason. Now I totally could’ve nominated myself but I didn’t (so thank you to whoever did that) but your statement for that was hollow in that I play mafia my way and that’s how I get results. Same as everyone. So if you want MVP material you’re just gonna have to wait for it because it’ll come with time.

What’d Mac say in Inception to the scum team? “Sprityo is a crucial mislynch” although I like to think of myself more like a snowball

Enough about me though-

I don’t care about this nanook sig radishes kerfuffle that happened between pages 6 and 10 roughly, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say jack is mafia this game. Just pure gut. I have no reason other than I think it.

Also Dom is here, huzzah! I enjoyed playing with Dom in Inception and can’t wait for another game with him. Same to Dizzy, I love their zanyness.

Jay is also 100% town. Don’t ask me why

That’s my lukewarm takes, Jack bad, jay good

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

I have.
What's the commentary though?

Being cheeky because I like poking fun at Mac

Btw Jack is always right about Nutella. It's canon. So either he's town and she's wolf or he's wolf and she's wolf, or he's wolf and she's town. But one of them is always a wolf so we should lynch Nutella.

You his teammate? Lmao you know better than this.

I was just thinking you're probably bad anyway. Then this. C'mon man

You have literally been in scum teams with me where you have been immediately caught by Jack and lamented profoundly how well he reads you. So your defense here is hilariously bad.

I love mac and his big D

ColinIsCool green
Dom green
Dragomir green
Dyslexicon green
Epignosis green
JaggedJimmyJay green
juliets green
Michelle green
sabie12 green
Sloonei green
tedxtr green
TonyStarkPrime green
Tranq green

G-Man red
Jackofhearts2005 red
MacDougall red
Master Radishes red
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0 red
S~V~S red
sig red
speedchuck red
Turnip Head red

I’m comfortable with this personal GTH

By default I put anyone I had no opinion on due to lack of voting as green

The other thing that makes me feel OK about a mac TK is that we have actual battle lines over it, people are invested on both sides, as opposed to radishes where we have a few people invested in killing him and everyone else seemingly kind of shrugging and going “eh, idk, maybe?”

And I tend to think that in a game like this a polarized TK is more likely to lead to scum than one where the strongest defense against it amounts to a half hearted “idk he’s kinda null.”

I dunno, it seems like the only thing that's likely to happen after I get mislynched is that you mislynch Turnip Head for TMI or some dumb shit.

Idk if I’d ever go turnip head over like half the roster tbh

Alright alright we're getting somewhere.

Click here for hot sex with locals.

fuck, this isn't the right link

Not that I suspect Mac but I’ll be voting him anyways [VOTE: mac] aubergine

Not that I suspect Mac but I’ll be voting him anyways [VOTE: mac] aubergine

Absolute scenes as sprityo outs himself as scum

You’re not getting lynched mate

Don’t be such a sourpuss

Sprityo + G-Man

If I wanted to act like a child and make wild statements, I’d make wack ass posts too

But sadly im not a child anymore and act accordingly

I’ll pick up tomorrow on whatever pandemonium that was EOD that I missed outside of salty mac’s big D

Each of these are enough to suspect Sprityo in their own right. Too much smoke. The guy is bad.

Weak reasons, but go off

Ladies and Gentlemen, we got him

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

i just need to lynch mac and im confirmed town, it's easy

polls got reset? [VOTE: mac] aubergine just to be sure

For real though Mac is clearly town and anyone who can't see that is not trying hard enough

Buddy, you’re gonna feel a bit awkward if and when Mac flips scum

haha okay guys, jokes over

time to lynch mac

come on

what'd I miss?

mac is viable lynch option again or naw?

sprityo, you're a goofy lad. After a lengthy exchange of banter on the first day, sprityo turned against Mac abruptly and has not left that posture. He voted for Mac Days 2 and 3. There's no explanation that I see, so I can only shrug. Some part of me wonders about this being deliberate WIFOM. On balance I doubt he's a teammate.

Compatibility: Minor