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[juliets]

Just....ignore that. It’s worded awkwardly.

What I mean is if the POE is MP/Tony/Juliets/Wilgy and Wilgy and MP can’t be scum together, we should lynch in Juliets or Tony.

The better Tony looks, the worse Juliets looks.

I don't understand why the better Tony looks the worse I look unless it's related to the sig vote. And why are we saying Wilgy and MP can't be scum together? I have a vague memory someone mentioned that but I can't remember the "why"

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sorting people into don't want to vote and could vote today. There is not an order within groups:

Won't vote:
nutella
112
Hyena
MP7
LC
speedchuck
Jack (not on his anniversary even though I don't have a read on him)
DDL
MR
Nanook

Could vote:
Dr. Wilgy
Poison Chan - but probably not because he hasn't been here at all
sig
Tony

I have to go fix and eat dinner but before I go I'm putting a vote on sig.

[juliets]

Yes Jack, that was my Day list trying to sort down who to vote for. I'm not sure what your point is.

[juliets]

EBWOP: Day 1 list

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Jules, I think what jack is pushing at is that he has a 4 person POE and thinks only one of wilgy/MP is scum, but that one of them being scum is more likely than neither of them being scum.

Functionally he’s set it up as two soft 1v1s.

[juliets]

Jules, I think what jack is pushing at is that he has a 4 person POE and thinks only one of wilgy/MP is scum, but that one of them being scum is more likely than neither of them being scum.

Functionally he’s set it up as two soft 1v1s.

Ok, thanks Nanook.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m pretty tired and busy today so I likely won’t be around in a meaningful capacity until closer to EOD.

Ngl it kinda pings me that wilgy basically dropped in to play enough to not die yesterday and drop a derp, then dipped.

It’s a legend move but it’s making it harder to sort that slot confidently.


Jack, have you considered that your reads might be inverted?

K see ya’ll later leave me pings so I feel special

[juliets]

I just noticed that EOD isn't until 11:00 tonight. I thought it would be around 9:30 because that's when the night phase ended so boooo.

I don't really have anything else right now except I am NOT SCUM and everyone is gone so I'll come back later.

[speedchuck]

I can probably put in some work today.

[Hyena]

Nanook, I keep trying to wrap my head around this scumread you have on Speed.

I think it’s entirely reasonable for scumChuck to have felt like he needed to vote radishes D1

Why do you think Chuck would feel like he'd need to vote for Radish D1? Just to note, DDL was the only other voter on Radish at the time he made the vote.

And then, this is what you had to say about Tony earlier,

Against the grain Alex Jones thought, radishes push on him didn’t feel like a bus/distancing imo.

I see two points in favor of him being town and I don’t really see much to suggest he’s scum.

You think these two things make him more likely to be town than Chuck, who was on a scum wagon D1? Why doesn't Radish's push on him feel like bussing but Chuck's push on Radish potentially does for you?

[speedchuck]

Day 1

Master Radishes
3 Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, speedchuck, Hyena

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
4 Voters: Long Con, sig, 112, nutella

sig
5 Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, juliets, M Plus 7, Jackofhearts2005, TonyStarkPrime

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voter: Master Radishes


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DAY 2

juliets
4 Voters: Hyena, speedchuck, M Plus 7, nutella

nutella
7 Voters: TonyStarkPrime, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, Long Con, juliets, Dragon D. Luffy

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voters: Master Radishes (voted before he died I guess)

[Hyena]

As for you having no reasons to scumread Tony,

@TonyStarkPrime talk to me about Speedchuck. You have a vote on them right now.

He's felt disengenuous to me

What about this meh answer he gave D1? What about him not giving any examples of what felt disingenuous to him?

And what the lack of game relevant posts from D1?

[Hyena]

And of course Tony's voting for me, too, lol

Tony placed a vote on me and joined Nutella on my wagon D1, but he never really talked about why. I thought it was very opportunistic at the time, and the only reason I didn't pursue it more was because Radish got shot sometime after and I got tied up with casing MP7 instead. What do you think about that Nanook? What do you think about him townreading me now and there being no progression in between?

[speedchuck]

Day 1

Master Radishes
3 Voters: Dragon D. Luffy, speedchuck, Hyena

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
4 Voters: Long Con, sig, 112, nutella

sig
5 Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, juliets, M Plus 7, Jackofhearts2005, TonyStarkPrime

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voter: Master Radishes


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DAY 2

juliets
4 Voters: Hyena, speedchuck, M Plus 7, nutella

nutella
7 Voters: TonyStarkPrime, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, Jackofhearts2005, DrWilgy, Long Con, juliets, Dragon D. Luffy

TonyStarkPrime
1 Voters: Master Radishes (voted before he died I guess)

This looks a lot uglier than I thought it would, color-wise. But I'm on light theme, so maybe it'll look better for you guys.

I'm being as un-generous as possible here, because there are only so many conclusions I can draw from 2 days of wagons. But there are some notes I wanted to put up. These are mostly based on the wagons above, and I'm not putting too much stock in them because they don't reflect when the votes actually happened or why, but hey vote analysis.

-MR voted Tony both days, even above self-preservation. That's an action worth noting. I, for one, do NOT think that's a good look for Tony, though some might disagree. Looks like 'If I'm going to die anyway, let me do some distancing.' Notably, Tony cased MR D1 but then ended up voting for Sig. I'd like to know more about that, but haven't started ISOs yet.

-Of all the MR voters D1, DDL (ONLY LOOKING AT THE VOTE WAGON) is more likely scum out of the three. He was the one who first put the vote up. I made it a wagon, and Hyena campaigned/blackmailed for nanook to join. That said, the argument between DDL and MR was pretty strong, and I townread him by virtue of distancing alone.

-No conclusions can be drawn from nanooks D1 votes. It was all self-preservation. That's not his fault, though again I wish the people who voted him were alive to talk about why, since everyone remaining super-townreads him.

-Juliets wagon on D2 looks pretty freaking pure to me. I know Nanook and Tony would disagree, but it's a point worth making. Granted, Nanook's wagon has been proven pure, and there's only so far that can go, but it's still worth looking at.

[speedchuck]

Juliets and Tony look like the best targets for my ISOs today. Nanook and the tinfoil candidates come after, and I won't bother too much with Wilgy or New MP7 because there's not much there.

We'll see what I can get done.

[Hyena]

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]
And what about that nasty vote from Tony that placed Sig at four votes when Sig's wagon was growing like crazy?

Are, like, none of these things suspicious to you? How can you not see anything that suggests Tony could be scum, but you can find stuff that suggests Chuck could be scum?

[Hyena]

Nanook, are you scum?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook, I keep trying to wrap my head around this scumread you have on Speed.

I think it’s entirely reasonable for scumChuck to have felt like he needed to vote radishes D1

Why do you think Chuck would feel like he'd need to vote for Radish D1? Just to note, DDL was the only other voter on Radish at the time he made the vote.

And then, this is what you had to say about Tony earlier,

Against the grain Alex Jones thought, radishes push on him didn’t feel like a bus/distancing imo.

I see two points in favor of him being town and I don’t really see much to suggest he’s scum.

You think these two things make him more likely to be town than Chuck, who was on a scum wagon D1? Why doesn't Radish's push on him feel like bussing but Chuck's push on Radish potentially does for you?

Chuck has admitted he has trouble SRing townies sometimes. I think it’s reasonable to think his radish vote was an early distancing vote he got stuck with. Like I don’t think his radish vote specifically makes him scum, I just don’t think it makes him town, if that makes sense.


Cause they’re different players? Why would I evaluate radish’s play as if it was chuck’s? That doesn’t make much sense.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

As for you having no reasons to scumread Tony,

@TonyStarkPrime talk to me about Speedchuck. You have a vote on them right now.

He's felt disengenuous to me

What about this meh answer he gave D1? What about him not giving any examples of what felt disingenuous to him?

And what the lack of game relevant posts from D1?

That’s a fine answer imo. What you’re pointing out is just his playstyle.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

And of course Tony's voting for me, too, lol

Tony placed a vote on me and joined Nutella on my wagon D1, but he never really talked about why. I thought it was very opportunistic at the time, and the only reason I didn't pursue it more was because Radish got shot sometime after and I got tied up with casing MP7 instead. What do you think about that Nanook? What do you think about him townreading me now and there being no progression in between?

I don’t think “TRing people with no progression in between” is a very reliable scum tell. Way more often it’s just indicative of how someone plays, not their alignment.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You can hold me accountable for my Sig vote D1, I genuinely thought he was scummy.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
And what about that nasty vote from Tony that placed Sig at four votes when Sig's wagon was growing like crazy?

Are, like, none of these things suspicious to you? How can you not see anything that suggests Tony could be scum, but you can find stuff that suggests Chuck could be scum?

I don’t think it outweighs my reasons to TR him.

I mean I could be wrong, he’s not in my top tier town reads, but like...he just feels townie to me, I think his going against the grain opinions with Alex Jones and then jumping in against jack during the “jack and nutella temporarily forget how to read” stretch had super townie pings to me.

So yeah, maybe he’s just suckered me, but fuck it I’m gonna roll with this read until I have better reason not to than “some of his votes are meh and you don’t like his playstyle.”

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook, are you scum?

Yep, you caught me by exposing that sometimes I exaggerate a gut read, good job well done.

[speedchuck]

Chuck has admitted he has trouble SRing townies sometimes.

I never should have said that. You've been misapplying it to me the entire game.

My issue, as scum, is that I narrow the POE too much for myself. I'm too charitable as scum because I know what's right and would rather not drive any wagons myself because I'm not that great a liar. So I townread townies all over the place.

I wouldn't be able to be this aggressive as scum. I wouldn't have this large a POE as scum. You keep calling me out for scumreading people, specifically yourself, when the meta issue I mentioned is that when I'm scum I DON'T scumread people. I townread and build a small POE around it.

Not that this has anything to do with me voting Radishes D1, when I had scumreads on five active players.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Well now I’m gonna have to reread it and see if I’ve been basing my SR on you from a misunderstanding.

That would be pretty embarrassing so hopefully that’s not the case tbh

[speedchuck]

TONY STARK BUILT THIS ISO IN A CAVE!

My character is so fun to roleplay as that I don’t know how. LC can die but if the point of the game is complete our personal vendettas against LC maybe we’re going down the wrong path

Hmm, let’s spread the love
Vote
DDL

The more I think about it the more I don't like these posts. The attitudes are wrong.

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Your attitudes are wrong

The exchange with MR that got Tony some town cred. I don't think it's bad, bot not worthy of cred either. This MR vote lacks substance, has no case, and should NEVER have remained till the end of the day. Textbook distancing, because nobody is going to follow up on it.

I think it's more tonal impurity that I see in Tony so far than anything concerning his attitudes toward the game.

Although upon a second read I do agree that 'spreading the love' is an odd attitude. It seems like an easy way to get a vote down and spread the votes into something anti-town more than spreading it into something pro-town if you catch my drift.

I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

He never said he thought DDL was suspicious. I asked, even, and... well we'll get to that later.

What if Tony and MR are both scum?

Funny, I was thinking MR and you

Distancing.

it’s 112 and tony it was right in front of us this whole time

lol I meant between you and MR

'lol' tell get em

Deflection and distancing when 112 guessed on a relationship between Tony and MR.

Nanook, Tony, nutella, based on your own role card, what alignment do you think Alex Jones would have?

town

Here's the town cred everyone is talking about.
And.
Yeah, this is a ballsy scum play if it is one. I mean, scum might have a towny-looking role as reference, but still I'd grant some good points to this one. Maybe. For reasons that others have discussed.

Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

In general I'm town reading DDL for going against quo on the page, but the phrasing seems ___stilted___ and repetitive -- forced in a sense (the same "I don't see it" idea). I'm not one of those micro-post analysts but it throws me off.

Shading DDL's vote while distancing himself from directly talking about radishes... or scumreading DDL. Subtle discouragement.

Tony saying he thought Alex Jones would be town read as a not-scum thing to say imo, especially since it came after me and nutella said the opposite

I agree.

I agree as well.

I can't speak to this argument cause obvious bias but the uniform agreement bugs me

I don't know whether I like this or not. It's almost try-too-hard, like Tony is showing how he can suspect people for propping him up too well. It also gives more publicity to his best reason for being townread.
Or it's genuine, and a good look. You be the judge.

MR sitting on Tony the whole round looks bad on him, like he can't pick anyone else who warrants a vote on them.

is this a serious take

(This post might not be in the right place. I messed up my copy-pasta. It's close, though.)
Needless to say I do NOT like this response. Yes it's serious. Bloody good take, too.

I'll vote for Sig over Nanook. Weird to vote for Sig on the case "he hasn't said anything crazy yet" and I know that's the kind of reputation that's really annoying to shake, but there's nothing else to be done.

Completely ignoring MR, which seems to be a theme in the last few posts that sorta concerned MR or voting.

@TonyStarkPrime talk to me about Speedchuck. You have a vote on them right now.

He's felt disengenuous to me

This is probably my least favorite Tony post just reading the ISO real fast. Can you expand on this, Tony?

I don't remember what the circumstances were. I can go back and check if you want.

Here is the reasons:

I don’t catch your drift. Why is it anti-town to have my vote on someone who I think is suspicious? what of that idea is anti-town

why is ddl suspicious to you he ain't done nothin

a post like this when two posts later he says that Juliets is scum for asking about a day 1 vote for instance

Asking why he found DDL suspicious (a question he never answered) is disingenous? Because I had a scumread on someone else that I explained (even if it wasn't strong)? What!?

almost switched to MR for the fun of it but by golly is that a terrible plan

This is almost too on-the-nose for me to believe it came from scum. It's hilarious if Tony is scum, and gives me an even bigger estimation of the man's cajones.

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There is no reaction to the flip.
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I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

that's not the scum team

I don't know if this was supposed to mean that Tony was one of these roles and is town, but... well yeah, I don't know. I should probably tag each WTF moment I have in this ISO for Tony to answer.

I think your argument can be boiled down to “Option 2 seems useless but at least pro-town” which is probably wrong on at least one side

I mean, suppose Donald Trump is mafia. Hard to say forcing someone to do a Donald Trump impression isn't protown.

It's just the implication that if the mafia was like Trump, VInce McMahon, Kelly Loeffler, etc, that option would be too good so things aren't that easy.

Idk. There should be some sort of theme to the scum team, I'd imagine.

I don't think we should assume affiliations are tied to roleplaying in any way. That's a bad way to run an open set-up game.

This is probably wrong too

Incorrect. Which is maybe a good look? Either that or Tony's being wrong on purpose after so much right-ness about the setup.

I’m town. Process of elimination gives you my character and my power follows swiftly. I don’t think I’ll be around much in the following day phase, so please don’t try to lynch me.

POE does what now? I have no idea how we're supposed to guess TSP's character and/or power here. This post needs explained.

I always suspect Juliets. I’m right sometimes.
I don’t think it’s MP come at me Hyena.

Since Juliets is another main suspect I thought I'd toss this up here. A couple posts from now he suggests lynching her. Possibly an indicator of 'not W/W'.

I don't like the Sloonei secret lynch it seems wrong. I agree that we need to resolve the slot and having inactives towards game-end can be problematic, but it's still relatively early. There's no reason to assume long term that the slot will remain empty.

My scum reads converging on it as an option suggests that we have the possibility of double scum lynch in our options range here.

But possibly W/W with sloonei. Assuming the worst, I know.

To Jack's earlier point, I noted very early that I think the best option is to go for the unpaired wolves, here Nutella and Juliets.

Which requires me to say something to MPs point about the possibility of neither of them being scum: well that would suck, wouldn't it? It's not that I distinctly haven't considered that possibility, but the spaces without one of them being scum are rather limited and we'd immediately be forced to consider more unlikely combinations. If we lynch both we get over the "this'll be an easy game" mentality that can sink so many towns sooner rather than later.

Suggesting the Juliets lynch with nutella, as I said earlier.

I think we have to reconsider Jack.

We'd have to believe that the baddies would give up a role steal (role check) for a dubious clearance plan. They couldn't predict MR's death.

ops forgot mechanics
curses

MiNdSeT tElL

Calling it now Jules and LC.
I think this is also one of my previous calls so ya know some sort of stability here.

Would Tony kill off a potential mislynch (LC) on N2? A good look, one of about 4 in this ISO.
Would Tony shade Jules? 'Not W/W with Jules' look

Hey Tony, what are your reads right now?

I’m willing to townclear Jack. I think I’ll have an opportunity to examine Wilgy today — I don’t think he should be cleared long term for his derp, but it’s worth something.
Nanook and Hyena are the typical townreads. I’m less sure on both of them. I thought Hyena was scum early, but they’ve contributed a fair amount. Nanook probably sorts himself pretty quickly— there are obvious places to start for any sort of analysis. Your slot is vague and I haven’t played with you before (unless you count your first day), so I’m basically now trying to get ahold of your day 1 meta. That leaves Speed and Juliets. I cannot read Juliets. Nutella was pretty certain she was scum, but that softened towards the end and there’s always a certain town energy here to not lynch the rival train from the day before. Speed is left— I don’t think he’s playing like he had previous times I’ve seen him as scum, but he seems to me both the most likely to be scum and the most likely to provide information in his defense.
This is my participation for today, but Ive constructed a light schedule for myself tomorrow so I should be around more.

This starts with only Jack towncleared and then ends with a POE of just me and I'm not sure I understand that.

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There are other posts in the ISO but few of them stood out to me as negative or definitely positive. They were either filler or prodding questions or the like, which can be town or scum.
Tony is, in my estimation, a good candidate for lynch. There aren't any 'GOTCHA's in here on either side. A couple solid town pings, about 2-3 times as many solid negative pings. I'd love to hear opinions, and I'd love tony to clear up a few things.

[speedchuck]

Okay that was tiring but I'll do Jules sometime soon I hope

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

If I had a good suspect among the active players I’d be voting them

Generally speaking, one of the harder things for me to do as scum is make up reasons to scumread the town players. I also have trouble with being on the wrong side of history in lynches. It's why I like playing scum in multi-team games better than in normal games, because I can actually hunt.

What you're doing here is not hunting or committing to anything, and that skews scum.

Ehhhhh. I guess I can see where this is what you’re saying it is, yeah.

I don’t think that’s really enough to take you out of POE but idk if that’s just because I don’t want to re-evaluate Tony and Jules yet. Blech, was thinking this game was fairly straightforward.

Ok, fine, I’ll swap to a non entity for today and rethink you/tony/Jules tomorrow. Probably going with wilgy I guess, in the hopes MP comes in and is readable at some point.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@TonyStarkPrime and @Jackofhearts2005 I'm Von Miller. Look him up if you don't know him, he's a good guy. I am town and not scum. You had 3 townies you were deciding among last night. I'm sorry nutella was voted off, I tried to tell people I thought she was town from the point where she answered my suspicion even though I had to vote for her. I didn't have as strong a feeling about MP7, I tried to make sure that's really what we were agreed on before I did it. I should have just voted Sloonei.

I will be happy to answer all questions and I will try my best to find who is bad. I don't think it's Nanook or Jack so I'll go from there.

I have zero belief the flavor of the roles has anything to do with alignment.

[juliets]

@TonyStarkPrime and @Jackofhearts2005 I'm Von Miller. Look him up if you don't know him, he's a good guy. I am town and not scum. You had 3 townies you were deciding among last night. I'm sorry nutella was voted off, I tried to tell people I thought she was town from the point where she answered my suspicion even though I had to vote for her. I didn't have as strong a feeling about MP7, I tried to make sure that's really what we were agreed on before I did it. I should have just voted Sloonei.

I will be happy to answer all questions and I will try my best to find who is bad. I don't think it's Nanook or Jack so I'll go from there.

I have zero belief the flavor of the roles has anything to do with alignment.

Yeah given Trump was civ I don't believe they do either anymore. That doesn't mean I'm bad though.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ngl, I think this is something (3 votes being being majority right now) that you'd catch on to pretty quickly, Nanook. Especially since I'm pretty sure I recall people talking about teams sharing one vote? Did you talk to DDL before you voted?

There’s no hammer so majority doesn’t matter, dude. If DDL has a problem with my vote he can talk it out with me. He’s been around since I made it and hasn’t complained, so I assume he’s fine with it.

I had actually failed to notice the shared vote thing until now.

But I'm fine with it.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I also think we should reveal who we are teamed with.

Cuz mafia can reveal that to each other in their BTSC. So that's an info only townies are lacking.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Catching up. This is gonna be a lazy ass catch up full.of skimming cuz I don't have patience for that anymore.

Okay, I'm finally back.

For some reason, I'm finding it hard to really get myself into this game. If it has felt like that I've been coasting, it's because I kinda have been. Seeing Radish flip red and thinking that I caught MP7 gave me a brief burst of energy, but now I'm feeling lethargic again reading everything.

Right now, I'm second guessing myself on MP7, and am giving Jack's (I think it was him) idea of lynching both Nutella and Juliets some consideration. Nanook not wanting to vote either of MP7 or Juliets kinda sketches me out. I think it sketches me out because everybody has expressed some sort of opinion on those two, plus Nutella, and given that I believe that AT LEAST one of those three are scum, it doesn't make any sense to me why we don't try to resolve them as soon as possible.

This post pings me a little because feels like Hyena is trying to limit the discussion on those 3 people.

Hey DDL, can you explain this one to me some more?

Seemed like a possible scum Hyena was trying to dorect the town away from voting for anyone outside of those 3. Which is good plan is juliets is town.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So anyone wants to lynch the "lololololol lets tie the day 1 poll" crew?

Starting with MP and nutella.

Especially MP, who hopped his vote about 5 times before settling on Sig.

What was the underlying logic for this?

MR was being lynched and you started hopping your vote everywhere. Then you and nutella started going about tieing the viote poll which is one of the most anti-town things that happen in this site. Seemed likely that one of you was trying to save MR.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The two things bothering nutella the most:

The fact we killed a mafioso.

And the fact we have a confirmed civ.

This reads... somewhat manipulative to me. Can you talk about this, DDL? I didn't get this interpretation, but then again I also realize I have different eyes right now.

Yes.

The motivation tell works and I've been lynched as mafia/lynched mafiosos based off it.

When someone is bad they are more likely to say things that show contempt for the civilian faction or lack of belief in their ability to win.

That seemed like that to me.

[speedchuck]

Toward the end of MR's posts:

Sure let's lynch Nanook.

I should figure out how much I really think hyena and nanook are opposed, especially because I started off thinking they were specifically compatible. Idk the amount of "sure let's lynch nanook" in the thread rn is giving me some jeebies.

Considering he was nearly lynched and now there's still low-level chatter about him, yeah, I could see a townie that scum think is low-hanging fruit (in this scenario, not Nook himself as a player).

But sometimes scum are those players that sit in everyones outer PoE but are never actually lynched. At the moment Nook fits that mould better than anyone, I'd say.

I guess this could be distancing but it doesn't feel like it to me. I don't think they are teammates.

Yeah actually that's a quite good look for nanook imo

I think this is where everyone went from scumreading Nanook to townreading him. Because he was in nutella's top-lynch category before this, and in quite a few others'.

Since there was a pure lynch train there D1, I'm assuming other people changed their minds around the MR flip?

[speedchuck]

Okay actually, after looking at Juliets ISO once more, I'm really not feeling strong about the case on her. I'm not really finding anything to quote. Nutella's case on Juliets said the MR/Juliets interactions weren't 'inspiring', and I agree with that. But that could be the case for several others. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine for now. I need help sorting Juliets, if anyone has something else to add.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] How do we even cast group votes?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, I don’t have much trouble believing Tony and MR we’re partners.

My only hesitancy is the supposed good claim he has.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] you should claim.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So, does anyone think their tag team buddy is scum?

I'm very paranoid about the fact the day 1 wagon on him was pure.

Otherwise I lean town.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’ve already said I’m paired with Wilgy. He still hasn’t showed as far as I know. I guess I’d be fine lynching him? The idea was you get info from your partner and have better opportunity to make a judgment call, but that’s not happening here I suppose.

[juliets]

I'm fine with saying who I'm paired with if he is fine with it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m paired with Juliets and yeah she’s in my poe.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Yeah, I don’t have much trouble believing Tony and MR we’re partners.

My only hesitancy is the supposed good claim he has.

@TonyStarkPrime you should claim.

I’m fine with that.
I’m Vince.
Question: why are there two wrestling people one must be scum right?
Answer: I don’t know ask Epi.
Question: what do you do?
Answer: give night polls.
Question: can I suggest gimmicks?
Answer: please do I don’t have much time to think about these things. Maybe the hosts will get mad at me.

[speedchuck]

I'm in the 3-player POE, and I think everyone could figure it out by what's been claimed. Me, MP, and Hyena.

[speedchuck]

Not that I can access that chat right now

[juliets]

speed I couldn't access my chat either until I went to the syndicate server and added the server there. Don't know if that's your problem but that was my solution.

[speedchuck]

speed I couldn't access my chat either until I went to the syndicate server and added the server there. Don't know if that's your problem but that was my solution.

My problem is I'm on my work PC and discord is blocked. As well as pretty much everything else except this site. :P

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I wonder what happens if the two people in a team disagree with their vote.

[speedchuck]

I wonder what happens if the two people in a team disagree with their vote.

Yeah I have no idea and that's kinda important. Already pinged Epi.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The speed/Tony thunderdome has been interesting in that it gave good arguments both/again both sides.

I do think Tony looks shadier now after speed quoted his posts shading me for going after MR. While speed looks okay due to his second vote on MR. But I still have a good gut feeling about Tony and not much about speed...

And yeah Wolgy is a valid option. Low activity is not a great reason to lynch him but I feel not enough people are considering/voting for it which means scum could be avoiding him.