FTL Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Soneji]

What you might be viewing as vague irritation is just my general mannerism, and probably how my sarcasm can come off. I'm a prickly sort. I get more irritated at a lack of good content as town, then as randing scum in this game state.

So do you believe that my read on you was genuine then?

You could genuinely be using that as your reasoning behind wanting to lynch me, as either alignment. I lean towards it coming from scum given how you're trying to construct a narrative around a vague sense of irritation on someone you habe little meta on, when irritation isn't particularly AI.

[Sloonei]

sig

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Eh, I guess that was an assumption rather than what it actually says.

Also Myo and sig are mafia partners, discuss

Yes, they seem scummy.

Myo is my favorite player, 10/10 buddying accepted.

Mac seems civvie.
Nanook seems meh, this time I'm right I swear.
I wanna lynch Sloonie, for reasons,
LC, since I've gotten away from my roots of always lynching him and him usually, sometimes, kinda always being mafia.
Ted, since I never wanna lynch Ted and I think it'll be a fun way to start the game.

Contrary to his objections, sig's style isn't really too different from mine. His day 1's typically feature widespread accusations based on minor events. These posts reflect that. There's a mix of town and mafia reads, but the suspicions are derived from small Day 0/1 events. So

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If either Mac or LC are mafia the other is most likely mafia as well. LC breaking the tie away from Mac is definitely a move both/one would come up with as an easy distancing maneuver early game.

This doesn't seem like an atypical thought for sig.

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I'm surprised that Daisy hasn't done much today given that she won the last poll.

nanook called him out for this, and it was legitimate observation. To this point it did not appear that Daisy was aware the game had started. Why sig felt the need to make this post, I do not know.

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Moved my vote back to ted

Humor me, why ted?

Why not an inactive player.

The implicit angle that I/we should be lynching an inactive player today does not sit well with me, but I have an easier time accepting it from sig than I would from some others. He sees different things in the game than other folks. It gets him in hot water all the time, but he is not without his method.

Light green.

[Sloonei]

Oh no I need to poop! Fuck.

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

[sig]

sig

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Eh, I guess that was an assumption rather than what it actually says.

Also Myo and sig are mafia partners, discuss

Yes, they seem scummy.

Myo is my favorite player, 10/10 buddying accepted.

Mac seems civvie.
Nanook seems meh, this time I'm right I swear.
I wanna lynch Sloonie, for reasons,
LC, since I've gotten away from my roots of always lynching him and him usually, sometimes, kinda always being mafia.
Ted, since I never wanna lynch Ted and I think it'll be a fun way to start the game.

Contrary to his objections, sig's style isn't really too different from mine. His day 1's typically feature widespread accusations based on minor events. These posts reflect that. There's a mix of town and mafia reads, but the suspicions are derived from small Day 0/1 events. So

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If either Mac or LC are mafia the other is most likely mafia as well. LC breaking the tie away from Mac is definitely a move both/one would come up with as an easy distancing maneuver early game.

This doesn't seem like an atypical thought for sig.

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I'm surprised that Daisy hasn't done much today given that she won the last poll.

nanook called him out for this, and it was legitimate observation. To this point it did not appear that Daisy was aware the game had started. Why sig felt the need to make this post, I do not know.

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Moved my vote back to ted

Humor me, why ted?

Why not an inactive player.

The implicit angle that I/we should be lynching an inactive player today does not sit well with me, but I have an easier time accepting it from sig than I would from some others. He sees different things in the game than other folks. It gets him in hot water all the time, but he is not without his method.

Light green.

But when I do it it's whimsical and fun. When you do it, it's shady and scummy.

[MacDougall]

I think Soneji is fake tunneling me because he thinks it'll be town read versus getting off the read which is actually what an actual town would do at this point given that he initially suspected me for something that he has actually revealed is a totally reasonable observation I made.

[MacDougall]

Lynching me on day 1 on this the day of my daughter's wedding would be a pretty bad lynch because I'm going to get night killed on night 1 probably anyway.

[sig]

Didn't we just mislynch Mac like D1 in a game?

Also Nutella is here. Hey Nutella.

[nutella]

actually think Soneji's response is pretty likely town

[MacDougall]

Didn't we just mislynch Mac like D1 in a game?

Also Nutella is here. Hey Nutella.

It's become a fairly common thing to be honest. I think people think they have meta on me but they don't realise that I genuinely have multiple personalities.

[MacDougall]

Sloonei I still haven't pooped so you should unvote me til I poop.

[sig]

Didn't we just mislynch Mac like D1 in a game?

Also Nutella is here. Hey Nutella.

It's become a fairly common thing to be honest. I think people think they have meta on me but they don't realise that I genuinely have multiple personalities.

Well good you deserve it for always targeting me with night actions.

[Soneji]

I think Soneji is fake tunneling me because he thinks it'll be town read versus getting off the read which is actually what an actual town would do at this point given that he initially suspected me for something that he has actually revealed is a totally reasonable observation I made.

I can tell playing with you is going to be a constant test of my patience.

[MacDougall]

Legacy reads:

ColinIsCool - Scum
Dragonella- Lock town
Jackofhearts2005 - Town
JiwonMeganPark - Town
Long Con - Town
MacDougall - Scum
motobot - Town
Myo - Town
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - Scum
ig - Scum
Sloonei - Scum
Soneji - Scum
Spacedaisy - Scum
tedxtr - Scum

[MacDougall]

I think Soneji is fake tunneling me because he thinks it'll be town read versus getting off the read which is actually what an actual town would do at this point given that he initially suspected me for something that he has actually revealed is a totally reasonable observation I made.

I can tell playing with you is going to be a constant test of my patience.

Maybe mafia just generally is not the game for you snowflake boi.

[sig]

This is great—now we TK the drago/nutella slot, and if it flips mafia, awesome! If it flips town, we get nutella 2.0 in the Colin slot.

What could go wrong!

This is sarcasm?

Since if so you should move your vote, if not that's dumb.

[MacDougall]

Hey look Soneji has three votes!

[Sloonei]

Much has been made of soneji's first big post already. My position is that it's too early to tell what to make of that. It was a seed-planting post. Seeds need time to grow. Since then he's been the only thing close to a sustained suspect in the thread.

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3. Soneji’s comment about sloonei’s “why does this exist” post felt kind of off to me. He called it clarifying, it didn’t feel like clarifying to me. It felt like an accusation. Also the rest of his post felt like a lot of questions that can make it appear like he’s doing more hunting than he actually was. Feeling a little bad about him, and possible he is covering for Sloonei?

I said Sloonei in most of his play/accusations has been looking to get clarification about vague reads/odd statements, those being sig's reasoning for wanting to lynch Sloonei and what ted meant by saying they felt they had a permanent demo version of wolf chat. As for looking like I'm doing more hunting than I actually am, that is a common sentiment by people unused to how I play as town especially early on if I'm content starved. I prod things most find irrelevant or don't think are a big deal, they all have a purpose to me however small.

This is not an incorrect Sloonei read, but the caveat is that a mafia player would have an easier time reading my energy since they know my alignment. I don't object to this post, but it doesn't exude civilian energy either.

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quote=Soneji post_id=610104 time=1590710387 user_id=392]
Mac what would you know about my energy to tell if it's off? That's some vague bullshit if I've ever seen it.

I'd like to suggest the primary focus of day 1 be deciding between lynching Long Con, Soneji and if you feel like it you can throw me into the debate for some spice.

Day 1 ends in less than two hours Mac.
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This frustration is probably genuine, but they doesn''t mean much for his alignment.

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When I made the chain of lynches post I thought to myself "this is suspicious to noobs". So for Soneji to be the one to suspect and then vote me for it is both a surprise and also scummy.

The post is bad in general Mac if you have any intention of actually following that plan. Nor is my vote on you solely for that post, but your bad LC policy lynch push and overall bad feel for this town leader act you've been putting on.

What you might be viewing as vague irritation is just my general mannerism, and probably how my sarcasm can come off. I'm a prickly sort. I get more irritated at a lack of good content as town, then as randing scum in this game state.

So do you believe that my read on you was genuine then?

You could genuinely be using that as your reasoning behind wanting to lynch me, as either alignment. I lean towards it coming from scum given how you're trying to construct a narrative around a vague sense of irritation on someone you habe little meta on, when irritation isn't particularly AI.

These posts, however give me a slight town lean on Soneji. I don't know if mafia soneji picks this fight with mac in this way. Mac has suggested that he's fake-tunneling to score townie points. That's not impossible, but I have no explicit reason to believe it's the case. The simpler answer is that Soneji doesn't like the way that Mac is pushing him and has decided to regard him as dishonest. I can see either of them being either alignment in this exchange.

I would not be inclined to lynch soneji today because I think he'll be easier to sort in a day or two.

[nutella]

We have an hour where is everyone else

[nutella]

I echo Sloonei's thoughts on Soneji and would prefer not to lynch there first

[Soneji]

I think Soneji is fake tunneling me because he thinks it'll be town read versus getting off the read which is actually what an actual town would do at this point given that he initially suspected me for something that he has actually revealed is a totally reasonable observation I made.

I can tell playing with you is going to be a constant test of my patience.

Maybe mafia just generally is not the game for you snowflake boi.

I've only been playing it for seven years, on many sites

I just don't care for the obnoxious.

[MacDougall]

Yeah I don't really want to lynch Soneji. I was literally the person who asked him to come play a game here.

[MacDougall]

I think Soneji is fake tunneling me because he thinks it'll be town read versus getting off the read which is actually what an actual town would do at this point given that he initially suspected me for something that he has actually revealed is a totally reasonable observation I made.

I can tell playing with you is going to be a constant test of my patience.

Maybe mafia just generally is not the game for you snowflake boi.

I've only been playing it for seven years, on many sites

I just don't care for the obnoxious.

I'm far from obnoxious. I am just cantankerous. Perhaps bombastic. And a little bit eccentric.

[nutella]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

from what I remember, I'm not inspired. With LC I don't necessarily expect him to be particularly inspiring this early, but I have zero reason to see town in any of his posts and I don't think that's the case for almost any other player.

[MacDougall]

So I'm just gonna tunnel LC til EOD. If anyone wants to do that I'm down. Otherwise you're wrong and my enemy.

[Sloonei]

Space Day Z

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I had multiquoted things that stood out to me as I was going and then my browser signed me out, so that’s annoying. I’m at work so I’m just going to try and recall as best I can atm.

1. I like the look of Jack atm. His vote for me, and subsequent move to someone else inactive is a method I approve of. This early in the game is the best time to vote for an inactive unless you have a solid reason to suspect someone else. I also felt like a jokey exchange between he and a Mac earlier made me feel like they are either civ/wolf or civ/civ combo. I’m leaning civ on both but more strongly feel civ vibes from Jack.

2. This might sound a little weird after #1, but I didn’t like the lengths sig went to explain that he wouldn’t normally vote an inactive but this time... etc. It felt a little like he was covering his ass before a controversial vote. Over explanation, if you will.

3. Soneji’s comment about sloonei’s “why does this exist” post felt kind of off to me. He called it clarifying, it didn’t feel like clarifying to me. It felt like an accusation. Also the rest of his post felt like a lot of questions that can make it appear like he’s doing more hunting than he actually was. Feeling a little bad about him, and possible he is covering for Sloonei?

Just a caveat, I was reading the thread at work, there is the chance I mixed up what was from which poster. I can’t look now because I’m headed to lunch and I’ve got a thing over my lunch. Those are my thoughts at the moment. I’ll vote after work.

Nearly all of her content is contained in one big ketchup post. I don't disagree with the Jack read, nor do I object to the line about sig. I'm a bit wary that Soneji has become an easy target for folks to pile onto (or he's scum and they're going to leap at the opportunity I am providing to redirect the momentum against him), so I don't love point 3 as much. "He looks like doing more hunting than he actually is" is a fairly generic accusation that can be thrown around without needing to be applied to anything specific.

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Voting for an inactive player at this stage in this game would be like throwing darts at a board while blindfolded and drunk.

Inactive players lose civs the game at the end, better to deal with them at the start if you don't have something better to go on. That is my opinion, has been for ages and will continue to be. Now I'm off to run a Star Trek rpg over my lunch and then rush back to work. I'll probably be too busy until work gets out at 6 my time to check back before then.

This isn't untrue, but I was making an observation about this game in particular. I'm slightly wary of a player who advocates for blanket suspicion against "inactive players" when that pool is so large right now, even if daisy herself could be considered a member of it.

There is not enough here for me to call Daisy a town read. Light orange.

[MacDougall]

Nutella is so scared of Mac that we have mind melded constantly this game and she still thinks I'm sketchy and weird. That's respect right there.

[MacDougall]

[mention]nutella[/mention] don't you think that what Sloonei is doing is actually scummy? What the fuck is the point of all this shit on page 7? This is usually a scum tell for Jay. Is it not for Sloonei?

[nutella]

@nutella don't you think that what Sloonei is doing is actually scummy? What the fuck is the point of all this shit on page 7? This is usually a scum tell for Jay. Is it not for Sloonei?

It's beep boop, but nothing else is happening so I don't see why he shouldn't do it

[Soneji]

@nutella don't you think that what Sloonei is doing is actually scummy? What the fuck is the point of all this shit on page 7? This is usually a scum tell for Jay. Is it not for Sloonei?

You seemed just fine with the idea that these last two hours were good enough for a primary focus on some players, yet Sloonei is bad for doing ISOs atm? This day phase has been rather unproductive, it's not like Sloonei is doing this in the midst of a high energy EoD with strong lynch candidates. If anything the analysis could provide us with a good candidate.

[Sloonei]

I'm not ISOing ted because I've already talked to/about him more than anyone else. He's a town read, as explained here. I guess I also need a nutella read now too. Here's a temporary rainbow:

Myo
Jack
ted
motobot
Jiwon
Nanook
sig
mac
Soneji
Colin
Dragotella
Spacedaisy
Long Con

[Sloonei]

@nutella don't you think that what Sloonei is doing is actually scummy? What the fuck is the point of all this shit on page 7? This is usually a scum tell for Jay. Is it not for Sloonei?

It's beep boop, but nothing else is happening so I don't see why he shouldn't do it

This is exactly why I started it. But things have started happening, kind of. I wanted to see it through. I have town reads now.

[MacDougall]

Was mislynched in the turbo day 1. Omens lol.

[MacDougall]

@nutella don't you think that what Sloonei is doing is actually scummy? What the fuck is the point of all this shit on page 7? This is usually a scum tell for Jay. Is it not for Sloonei?

You seemed just fine with the idea that these last two hours were good enough for a primary focus on some players, yet Sloonei is bad for doing ISOs atm? This day phase has been rather unproductive, it's not like Sloonei is doing this in the midst of a high energy EoD with strong lynch candidates. If anything the analysis could provide us with a good candidate.

If you are so bothered by my obnoxiousness you should just stop interacting with me for a while. What you're doing right now is putting coins in the pis you off machine buddy.

[Sloonei]

RE: soneji, I do think his prickly response to early suspicion could be an indication that he has inactive teammates, if he is indeed bad.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: long con] aubergine because I feel less bad lynching him Day 1 than I would daisy.

[MacDougall]

Pretty sure we have scum Sloonei with us. Might as well end the game because nobody will believe me. Especially Nutella who perpetually lives in Sloonei's pocket.

[Soneji]

@nutella don't you think that what Sloonei is doing is actually scummy? What the fuck is the point of all this shit on page 7? This is usually a scum tell for Jay. Is it not for Sloonei?

You seemed just fine with the idea that these last two hours were good enough for a primary focus on some players, yet Sloonei is bad for doing ISOs atm? This day phase has been rather unproductive, it's not like Sloonei is doing this in the midst of a high energy EoD with strong lynch candidates. If anything the analysis could provide us with a good candidate.

If you are so bothered by my obnoxiousness you should just stop interacting with me for a while. What you're doing right now is putting coins in the pis you off machine buddy.

You seem very insulted by my comment, was it truly you being a snowflake in this situation? Mafia works just fine for me because I can move past my dislike of a player/posting style to play the game, and I'm not about to stay quiet when you're pushing suspicion I disagree with.

[Sloonei]

Pretty sure we have scum Sloonei with us. Might as well end the game because nobody will believe me. Especially Nutella who perpetually lives in Sloonei's pocket.

That last sentence just isn't even close to any reality we've ever lived in.

[nutella]

Pretty sure we have scum Sloonei with us. Might as well end the game because nobody will believe me. Especially Nutella who perpetually lives in Sloonei's pocket.

Yknow I could come around. His point about soneji and inactives seemed weird after he was just all "preflip associative reads? never again" the other day. But, well, hypocrisy blah blah playbook blah.

[MacDougall]

@nutella don't you think that what Sloonei is doing is actually scummy? What the fuck is the point of all this shit on page 7? This is usually a scum tell for Jay. Is it not for Sloonei?

You seemed just fine with the idea that these last two hours were good enough for a primary focus on some players, yet Sloonei is bad for doing ISOs atm? This day phase has been rather unproductive, it's not like Sloonei is doing this in the midst of a high energy EoD with strong lynch candidates. If anything the analysis could provide us with a good candidate.

If you are so bothered by my obnoxiousness you should just stop interacting with me for a while. What you're doing right now is putting coins in the pis you off machine buddy.

You seem very insulted by my comment, was it truly you being a snowflake in this situation? Mafia works just fine for me because I can move past my dislike of a player/posting style to play the game, and I'm not about to stay quiet when you're pushing suspicion I disagree with.

I'm just giving you nice and kind advice Soneji. It seems like all I have to do is move my fingers across my keyboard arbitrarily tapping buttons and hey presto Soneji has a whinge at me.

[MacDougall]

Pretty sure we have scum Sloonei with us. Might as well end the game because nobody will believe me. Especially Nutella who perpetually lives in Sloonei's pocket.

That last sentence just isn't even close to any reality we've ever lived in.

Fuck off it is so lol.

It's just she's usually right.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Placeholder vote on Colin. Ted’s response RE: sonenji looks like a civilian.

I’ll figure out what fo think about soneji later.

Wait....what?

Ted is town. Soneji is tbd.

I was questioning your Colin vote after you failed against lynching a no show.

[Sloonei]

Pretty sure we have scum Sloonei with us. Might as well end the game because nobody will believe me. Especially Nutella who perpetually lives in Sloonei's pocket.

Yknow I could come around. His point about soneji and inactives seemed weird after he was just all "preflip associative reads? never again" the other day. But, well, hypocrisy blah blah playbook blah.

i'm not going to vote for soneji to test it out. I am saying that as an If/then statement.

[Sloonei]

Placeholder vote on Colin. Ted’s response RE: sonenji looks like a civilian.

I’ll figure out what fo think about soneji later.

Wait....what?

Ted is town. Soneji is tbd.

I was questioning your Colin vote after you failed against lynching a no show.

I thought we agreed my votes don't count?

[nutella]

Pretty sure we have scum Sloonei with us. Might as well end the game because nobody will believe me. Especially Nutella who perpetually lives in Sloonei's pocket.

That last sentence just isn't even close to any reality we've ever lived in.

Fuck off it is so lol.

It's just she's usually right.

No I'm paranoid about sloonei at some point every game lol

[MacDougall]

Pretty sure we have scum Sloonei with us. Might as well end the game because nobody will believe me. Especially Nutella who perpetually lives in Sloonei's pocket.

That last sentence just isn't even close to any reality we've ever lived in.

Fuck off it is so lol.

It's just she's usually right.

No I'm paranoid about sloonei at some point every game lol

Well that may be so but you dismiss my suspicion towards him out of hand 100% of the time I bring it up so to me it doesn't feel that way.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Longius Connium

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Seems like as good a way as any to welcome soneji

Also we should probably be doing one vote on everyone tbh

You talkin' about lynch-style votes, or today's vote. I like Jack's idea for today's vote. Although I also want the extra scrap because upgrading sounds legit.

To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?

I offered one single pre-flip associative read in Banjo-Kazooie and it gave me the false confidence to mislynch a civilian who I thought was paired with another civilian on Day 1. Never again!

What does 'pre-flip' mean?

The 'flip' in question is slang for the role-reveal that occurs upon voting a player out by Day.

To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?

You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?

I do not think so. I think one person will get scrap, or maybe zero if we have a tie, because our Host can sometimes be a hardass in that way.

"Mafia talks about mechanics" is an argument I've fought against a bunch in the past and I think it's hugely overstated in a lot of games.
So, like, is this mafia Long Con talking about mechanics for the bulk of his early content? There hasn't been much progression beyond this early banter:

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Hi, I have no idea what is scrap~

Is this what is a supposed derpclear? I don't see any reason why a wolf Jiwon couldn't honestly say that.

Turns out it was LC who suggested the "derpclear" angle on Jiwon, only he accompanied it with an immediate dismissal. The shade feels a bit unnecessary.

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[VOTE: MacDougall ] aubergine

S P I C E

This is dumb but Mac knows my reaction to team ups and towncores tends to range somewhere between flat denial and restrained agreement with jokes in between.

So I kinda don’t think his treatment of me has been buddying, which makes me think he’s town.

So this is you trying to buddy him, right?

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

This also feels a bit like an obligatory vote. "I have to do something so I'll call Jack suspicious for this post." I don't love LC's posts, but usually when I do love his posts it means he's bad. He's light orange on my imaginary rainbow for now, for the sake of taking a stance.

That’s some major personal shade, Sloonei.

[Soneji]

@nutella don't you think that what Sloonei is doing is actually scummy? What the fuck is the point of all this shit on page 7? This is usually a scum tell for Jay. Is it not for Sloonei?

You seemed just fine with the idea that these last two hours were good enough for a primary focus on some players, yet Sloonei is bad for doing ISOs atm? This day phase has been rather unproductive, it's not like Sloonei is doing this in the midst of a high energy EoD with strong lynch candidates. If anything the analysis could provide us with a good candidate.

If you are so bothered by my obnoxiousness you should just stop interacting with me for a while. What you're doing right now is putting coins in the pis you off machine buddy.

You seem very insulted by my comment, was it truly you being a snowflake in this situation? Mafia works just fine for me because I can move past my dislike of a player/posting style to play the game, and I'm not about to stay quiet when you're pushing suspicion I disagree with.

I'm just giving you nice and kind advice Soneji. It seems like all I have to do is move my fingers across my keyboard arbitrarily tapping buttons and hey presto Soneji has a whinge at me.

I don't let up on people if they continue to post badly

[MacDougall]

@nutella don't you think that what Sloonei is doing is actually scummy? What the fuck is the point of all this shit on page 7? This is usually a scum tell for Jay. Is it not for Sloonei?

You seemed just fine with the idea that these last two hours were good enough for a primary focus on some players, yet Sloonei is bad for doing ISOs atm? This day phase has been rather unproductive, it's not like Sloonei is doing this in the midst of a high energy EoD with strong lynch candidates. If anything the analysis could provide us with a good candidate.

If you are so bothered by my obnoxiousness you should just stop interacting with me for a while. What you're doing right now is putting coins in the pis you off machine buddy.

You seem very insulted by my comment, was it truly you being a snowflake in this situation? Mafia works just fine for me because I can move past my dislike of a player/posting style to play the game, and I'm not about to stay quiet when you're pushing suspicion I disagree with.

I'm just giving you nice and kind advice Soneji. It seems like all I have to do is move my fingers across my keyboard arbitrarily tapping buttons and hey presto Soneji has a whinge at me.

I don't let up on people if they continue to post badly

You're putting coins in the wrong machine this time friendicus.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

This is great—now we TK the drago/nutella slot, and if it flips mafia, awesome! If it flips town, we get nutella 2.0 in the Colin slot.

What could go wrong!

You forget the step where we lynch nutella 2.0.

I wasn’t gonna say that part yet