Radiohead Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Herm]

I was going to ask why multiple people show up on different people, but I just remembered we have two votes today.

[Poison]

[VOTE: herm] aubergine

why do people townread this again?

You better explain why you scum read me.

wow this interaction is awkward as hell

the language from herm in this post is pretty strong. he seems insistent on getting nutella to explain her read. and then he drops it for the rest of the day and doesnt mention it or pressure nutella on it again. it's really weird

Trust me since it is like that, I think I will town read him, cause he is definitely not like this as scum.

[Poison]

[VOTE: vote herm] aubergine

i’m sold

I probably should vote like this as well.

It's easier to keep track of votes like that. I tried to look through some of the voting history earlier, but I just voted in the poll.

Come on. It is clearly towny! I would not believe Herm is scum if there's no mech evidences. Period.

[Justplayingitcool]

I spoke to my magic 8 ball to determine my future.

[Poison]

Guys, if you want to ask questions I'm right here lol.

This is just town! Town!

[Poison]

I spoke to my magic 8 ball to determine my future.

When will you stop fluffing and be serious? And why did you check mac last night above all the people?

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: herm] aubergine

why do people townread this again?

You better explain why you scum read me.

wow this interaction is awkward as hell

the language from herm in this post is pretty strong. he seems insistent on getting nutella to explain her read. and then he drops it for the rest of the day and doesnt mention it or pressure nutella on it again. it's really weird

Trust me since it is like that, I think I will town read him, cause he is definitely not like this as scum.

In a vacuum, I agree that Herm is a likely scum candidate, based on his general play and interaction with nutella.

But I also agree with you that he looks different from G9 where he was scum. He was much more...careful. He's relatively quiet here in terms of thread presence but doesn't seem quite as hesitant and cautious as I remember from G9.

But, like, different environment and all. I think threadplay overrides meta, so Herm should remain in the PoE imo.

[Justplayingitcool]

I spoke to my magic 8 ball to determine my future.

When will you stop fluffing and be serious? And why did you check mac last night above all the people?

I am being serious.

I said before, I got paranoid

[Poison]

just iso'd spirit and he had zero direct interactions with nutella, lol. i also could not find a single post where nutella mentioned spirit's name

Spoiler: show

my ideal wagons are spf vs nutella vs juliets but its fine if u guys dont wanna wagon spf d1 i dont wanna insist

cant we like just vig JPIC or something (i still think he's town) instead of wasting a day of wagoning him idk

surely town has KP in a 22 player game so

u guys should know that spf is amazing as wolf. she is amazing as town too as proven by her champs games but on em she has like a 54% winrate as mafia last time i checked (which at least imo is huge, i have like 25% winrate as mafia, its rly hard to wolf in those setups) and i remember skimming a few of her games once and like, her tone, her emotions, everything, its all there. like if she is a wolf she wouldnt just roll over and die, just saying!

i think not wagoning JPC for 1 day to see if he gets vigged or poisoned or dayvigged has merits but dont wanna insist any more

at least nutella and spf and whoever else are gonna defend themselves and hvae reactions and talk and stuff

while JPIC wont talk, so using our yeet on him is like as if ... like u know ... waste opportuntity to make reads / day play, and ujst convert the yeet into a mechnical vig

People say I have done scummy stuff when this is literally what I do as town

can you do something more?

can u empathize with other ppl who find it frustrating how much effort they're putting, while u dont put as much effort and u expect for ppl to correctly townread u?

I am very empathetic to the town cause. I’ve just been trying to have fun

and you made me laugh a lot and i appreciate it

but like multiple ppl have expressed that its not fun anymore, its like u repeat a joke for the 100th time and its not as funny as when u said it on the first time u know?

can u please try making a few reads?

what do u think about nutella and spf?

Your opener wasn't NAI by my standards. It felt performative.

I was going to make that post regardless of alignment

what are your reads on nutella and spf

jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town jpic is town

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum spf is scum

I have seen nothing from SPF recently that leaves me concerned. Why are you reading SPF as scum?

if i had a dayvig and i shot jpic rn and he flipped town would u still not scumread spf

well that was a while ago i decided to call u scum now cuz idk. i think jpic is town and u want my silly friend jpic dead and he town so maybe u mafia or somehging

[VOTE: timsup2nothing] aubergine

like. we should have more than 1 wagon

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine someone else push for a cw if u want

Nut-chan can u leave a legacy readslist on all players no need for explanations just rank their nanes

So this whole interaction Tutuu has with JPIC, Nutella, and SPF really rubs me the wrong way.

Why is JPIC suddenly not mafia and suddenly town? He wasn't ever in trouble of getting lynched either as far as i can tell. then we have the transition of them trying to make Tim a counter wagon????
1. I dont think that wouldve ever happened.
2. Why suddenly do we need a counter wagon?

There has to be something alignment indicative within these posts. The way I see it is:

-JPIC is Town and trying to be pocketed by Tutuu for whatever reason
-SPF is Town or Mafia and just happens to be the target for that switch
-Nutella is Mafia with Tutuu and she does a halfhearted Counterwagon but doesnt want to try and get all of the people off of the huge wagon now formed. If it failed it would of course look bad. So she resign to "you should totally legacy read, sucks to be you"
-Nutella is Town and Tutuu is Mafia. Tutuu of course knows this and is trying to buy credit with the counter wagon attempt. "Aw man, I knew she was town" type of situation.

I dont think the last one is likely but I won't discount it.

this post would be notable if spirit actually took a stance on any of the possibilities instead of shrugging his shoulders

Hmm.. This is nice.

[Poison]

[VOTE: herm] aubergine

why do people townread this again?

You better explain why you scum read me.

wow this interaction is awkward as hell

the language from herm in this post is pretty strong. he seems insistent on getting nutella to explain her read. and then he drops it for the rest of the day and doesnt mention it or pressure nutella on it again. it's really weird

Trust me since it is like that, I think I will town read him, cause he is definitely not like this as scum.

In a vacuum, I agree that Herm is a likely scum candidate, based on his general play and interaction with nutella.

But I also agree with you that he looks different from G9 where he was scum. He was much more...careful. He's relatively quiet here in terms of thread presence but doesn't seem quite as hesitant and cautious as I remember from G9.

But, like, different environment and all. I think threadplay overrides meta, so Herm should remain in the PoE imo.

Tbh, I do not mind him being in the PoE but tbh, I'd probably not risk a miselim with Herm when he is actually being towny here.

[Poison]

I spoke to my magic 8 ball to determine my future.

When will you stop fluffing and be serious? And why did you check mac last night above all the people?

I am being serious.

I said before, I got paranoid

I do not get it, what was your paranoia? Mac was being an obvious town throughout the game. There were more than enough players to look into than Mac no? Also, if you are town, you'd never get paranoid like that.

[Poison]

I'm voting for my scumreads, nobody has to join me if they don't want to

VOTE tim and spf

The reasons and your tone is Off you realise that?

[Poison]

Sorry tutuu, not reading your story rn, but will surely look at that later.

[Long Con]

I had towny vibes from Herm earlier, and I don't see him being on the plate today in any event with all the goings-on.

[Poison]

I'm voting for my scumreads, nobody has to join me if they don't want to

VOTE tim and spf

Could you elaborate on these scum reads? When I flip green I wouldn't want anyone to think you were just a wolf opportunistically hopping aboard.

And you think they cannot be a wolf just hopping around?

[Poison]

I had towny vibes from Herm earlier, and I don't see him being on the plate today in any event with all the goings-on.

Why do you seem so unknown to me. Hello. Don't remember talking to here.

[Long Con]

Some quotes I grabbed earlier...

i think jules’ reaction to nut when she said nut was probably going after her because she viewed jules as the weakest one on her wagon/easiest to push/least likely to fight back felt very unaligned with nut, almost like jules was taking it personally that nut considered her an easy target. i don’t think she has that reaction if nut is bussing

/interesting/

I like this read.

I think nut saw the easy target, Juliets is one of the two names Joseph gave me to look at when I first showed up, so I think nutella was pushing on her for that reason... in the hope that Joseph would veer that way instead.

Tim, why did you say your song name to nutella? How could you trust someone who is a top wagon and tell your role name?

Yeah, that looks like a teammate trying to show everyone that it's ok to tell her the info.

Poison you should out all information before EOD.

I generally believe that heavily townread people should be outing their information before the end of the day phase immediately after they acquire that information. I think scum is practically forced into shooting the consensus townreads for the conceivable future because there's so many of them. That means you're likely to die before you out your information if you sit on it. Plus we have some evidence that there's a roleblocker or doctor or something who can keep you safe.

I can out something but if we are going to let scummy people claim first, I think I 'd out my information after that.

Do you have information that will or will likely lead to the chop of a wolf or unfriendly neutral? If so, reveal it now. If not, reveal it never (or when whoever your info vindicates is on the chopping block or whatever).

Yes it can but it would need a claim to get the proper chop. But the info I got I wouldn't want to get towns to claim but we would need scums to claim. It's very complicated. I would shut up.

Who designed mechanics in mafia? Like who was the first person who added a cop and was like “this is a good idea”

Cop?

[Long Con]

I had towny vibes from Herm earlier, and I don't see him being on the plate today in any event with all the goings-on.

Why do you seem so unknown to me. Hello. Don't remember talking to here.

I'm not as prolific as some of these stronger players. I'm laid-back generally. Prone to some in-thread outrage at times, but I haven't been kicked out yet!

[Poison]

Oddmerta, I trust you and I'm here to townshield you, but other people don't. I need you to step it up and show them what you've got so they can see the light and know you're town.

What is your view on the decision between SPF/nutella/JPIC wagons?

They are all scum so it's not even a decision, more like a lineup

I'm town, not mafia, not rogue. If I was scum there wouldn't even be a towncore I would have destroyed it already.

What I am doing is coasting off of early townreads

didn't you say previous games meta means nothing to you? why should we believe you eaxctly?

*exactly

besides,

what are your current reads?

Nothing much has changed, I'd say timsup, staypositive, nutella and jpic are all on a team together. Jpic looks like a bomb to me

Oddmerta isn't teammates with nutella. Moving on.

I seriously would not rely on it.

[Poison]

I had towny vibes from Herm earlier, and I don't see him being on the plate today in any event with all the goings-on.

Why do you seem so unknown to me. Hello. Don't remember talking to here.

I'm not as prolific as some of these stronger players. I'm laid-back generally. Prone to some in-thread outrage at times, but I haven't been kicked out yet!

I see

[Long Con]

I had towny vibes from Herm earlier, and I don't see him being on the plate today in any event with all the goings-on.

Why do you seem so unknown to me. Hello. Don't remember talking to here.

I'm not as prolific as some of these stronger players. I'm laid-back generally. Prone to some in-thread outrage at times, but I haven't been kicked out yet!

I see

YOU WHAT??!! :madmad: :madmad:

[Alison]

LC is just town

my two votes are going on JPIC and sprit and the two of them are basically racing in the thread to see which of them makes me want to kill them more right now

[Poison]

If you're accusing me of not evaluating then I have a wet fish to slap you with you bold faced liar.

LMAOO!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

@sprityo @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Justplayingitcool hi. i need each of you to role claim and say who you targeted last night. if you don’t i will punt you into the sun. thanks for your cooperation

I’m not going to

even if people make you a top wagon near Eod?

Probably not!

[Poison]

I had towny vibes from Herm earlier, and I don't see him being on the plate today in any event with all the goings-on.

Why do you seem so unknown to me. Hello. Don't remember talking to here.

I'm not as prolific as some of these stronger players. I'm laid-back generally. Prone to some in-thread outrage at times, but I haven't been kicked out yet!

I see

YOU WHAT??!! :madmad: :madmad:

Using my eyes and reading what you are saying.

[Herm]

[VOTE: herm] aubergine

why do people townread this again?

You better explain why you scum read me.

wow this interaction is awkward as hell

the language from herm in this post is pretty strong. he seems insistent on getting nutella to explain her read. and then he drops it for the rest of the day and doesnt mention it or pressure nutella on it again. it's really weird

Trust me since it is like that, I think I will town read him, cause he is definitely not like this as scum.

[dyachei]

i just got to the jpic claim lmao

[Long Con]

I had towny vibes from Herm earlier, and I don't see him being on the plate today in any event with all the goings-on.

Why do you seem so unknown to me. Hello. Don't remember talking to here.

I'm not as prolific as some of these stronger players. I'm laid-back generally. Prone to some in-thread outrage at times, but I haven't been kicked out yet!

I see

YOU WHAT??!! :madmad: :madmad:

Using my eyes and reading what you are saying.

PC lock town.

[Poison]

what's your result JPIC?

Mac - Town

HAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHHHHAHH

Same reaction tbh

[Long Con]

Anyways, I'm outtie. See you guys tomorrow!

[Poison]

[VOTE: JPIC] aubergine
[VOTE: odd] aubergine

[Poison]

Did Samu appear today?

[juliets]

Did Samu appear today?

I don't recall seeing him this morning.

[Poison]

Why would a cop check MacDougall?

how did you know that he checked macdougall before he claimed it? am i going crazy?

Did he ever reply to it?

[Poison]

Tbh I found sprityo towny last dp because of his tone in the posts. I'll read more about him in the morning, didn't get to interact with him much either. I'll be active tomorrow. Today I slanked bad for I had some work and then I could not access the site. Good night. Will be active tomorrow.

[dyachei]

did tim claim 2 parts to his role??

[Justplayingitcool]

If you look into your hearts you will know that I have a good soul

[dyachei]

btw i just read a few samu posts during my catch up [mention]Poison Chan[/mention]

[juliets]

[mention]dyachei[/mention] this is the best description I think of what Tim says his night action is. Elsewhere he implied that his action that went with the 70-79.9 % civ that we are at now was a md that he used on ted. At least that was the way I read it. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

So one reason I bought into Nutella's claim was "it's complicated." Mine is too. In fact I had to wait for Sloonei to tell me what my night action was because it is dependent on the percentage of players that are civilians. Based on the night action I was given 70-79.9% of current players are civilians.

My role is apparently intended as a snowball stopper against the wolves, because the closer to parity they get the more powerful my night actions get.

exactly how tbh? i don't see towns or even scums getting roles that get improved when close to parity.

Sloonei calculates the percentage of players who are civilians. What night action I get depends on what that percentage is. Apparently somewhere between 70% and 79.9% of the players are civilians because I got the night action for that range. If town starts to get in trouble and the percentage falls into the 65% to 69.9% range I get a better night action, and if it falls lower I get an even better night action.

My night action was pretty much a dud, but at least I could say what range we are in and narrow down how many enemies we face a little bit.

Anyway, I had a crappy day one and I'm not gonna argue that I didn't. Good job everyone bagging a wolf without much help from me. But day two is off to a pretty good start and I think if you look closely you will think better of chopping me. Hopefully by the end of the day anyway.

[juliets]

btw i just read a few samu posts during my catch up @Poison Chan

oh sorry, I must have skimmed over these.

[dyachei]

thanks juliets, I just read that recently. I'm not sure I buy it tbh - seems weird that he'd be allowed to claim this role that gets progressively better when others can't

[dyachei]

I just got to your previous ping, juliets. I think nook has been pretty wolfy this game. I see a lot of talk that's off topic or defending himself as town - usually when I said something about him being wolf - and not much else.

[juliets]

I just got to your previous ping, juliets. I think nook has been pretty wolfy this game. I see a lot of talk that's off topic or defending himself as town - usually when I said something about him being wolf - and not much else.

I'm reading through his iso right now and see that. The thing I'm having trouble with is discriminating between all the off topic he does as town vs. what I'm seeing in this game. I have just gotten to the part where he jokes about your suspicion about him, kind of a "look nutella dya caught us haha". Not a great look.

Also, interesting point about Tim's role. I didn't think about that as I read it but its a good question.

[dyachei]

Let's Have Some Fun

I want to play a game. In this game I'd like you to vote for one player from each of these blocs that you consider to be the most town player in the bloc and one that you consider the most scummy.

Rules:
Three blocs of 7.
This is not binding to a vote. It's just a reads exercise.

Bloc 1

Alison
Colin
Dyachei
Juliets
Long Con
Tim
Master Radishes

Bloc 2

Hally
DrWilgy
Dyslexicon
Oddmerta
Samu
Herm
Sprityo

Bloc 3

SPF
Mac
Tedxtr
Tutuu
JPIC
Nook
Poison Chan

colored in

[dyachei]

[col][col][VOTE: [Vote: spirit and nanook]] aubergine[/col][/col]

[juliets]

So prior to nutella flipping Nanook says:

"Inb4 Nutella flips mafia/rogue with a soup kill"

And haha, that's what she flips.

Why does wolf-Nanook make this post?

He says after EOD that he wants to say scum Nanook would never say that but he probably would because it's hilarious.

Why does he make this first post? So he can later point to it and say it's clearing? [mention]Master Radishes[/mention] you have wolfed with Nanook, would you say this is the kind of thing you saw scum Nanook do?

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] what was it about nutella that seemed town to you? I know you mentioned her push of me seemed like it came from a townie, was there anything else?

Are you unable to claim your role or do you just not want to?

I have never seen wolf Nanook only town Nanook which from a goofing off standpoint looks similar so I need some help. I'm questioning whether I should be voting Nanook and sprityo instead of JPIC and sprityo.

[juliets]

[mention]Hally[/mention] are you satisfied with what Nanook has claimed?

[Master Radishes]

So prior to nutella flipping Nanook says:

"Inb4 Nutella flips mafia/rogue with a soup kill"

And haha, that's what she flips.

Why does wolf-Nanook make this post?

He says after EOD that he wants to say scum Nanook would never say that but he probably would because it's hilarious.

Why does he make this first post? So he can later point to it and say it's clearing? @Master Radishes you have wolfed with Nanook, would you say this is the kind of thing you saw scum Nanook do?

Completely within Nanook's wolf range tbh. He pays more attention than he often lets on in thread (though he's clearly been more active this game than the ones I wolfed with him) and strategises in wolf chat and such. He's also fairly versatile; in one game he distanced from me early on, in another he tried to townclear me instead and had to backtrack later.

[juliets]

I hate the fact that when I'm the best able to reason and think most other players are at work, school or asleep! Then, when nighttime comes and I've run out of gas everyone's here lol!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

So prior to nutella flipping Nanook says:

"Inb4 Nutella flips mafia/rogue with a soup kill"

And haha, that's what she flips.

Why does wolf-Nanook make this post?

He says after EOD that he wants to say scum Nanook would never say that but he probably would because it's hilarious.

Why does he make this first post? So he can later point to it and say it's clearing? @Master Radishes you have wolfed with Nanook, would you say this is the kind of thing you saw scum Nanook do?

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME what was it about nutella that seemed town to you? I know you mentioned her push of me seemed like it came from a townie, was there anything else?

Are you unable to claim your role or do you just not want to?

I have never seen wolf Nanook only town Nanook which from a goofing off standpoint looks similar so I need some help. I'm questioning whether I should be voting Nanook and sprityo instead of JPIC and sprityo.

I thought she’d be trying to help people townread her a bit more if she was mafia. Then the claim stuff later obviously