Shadow Corridors Mafia [GAME OVER]

[MacDougall]

Optimally the jailer jails someone with a verifiable claim who is actually pretty towny and trustworthy so they can mutually clear one another fmpov.

[MacDougall]

If I was the jailer and I jailed someone and their role claim was vt or sketchy in the slightest i probably just kill them. Thoughts?

[Alison]

Optimally the jailer jails someone with a verifiable claim who is actually pretty towny and trustworthy so they can mutually clear one another fmpov.

We'd be giving up our daily exe to have this happen. I'm not sure verifying that someone who's already townie and trustworthy is, in fact, townie and trustworthy is worth surrendering a town KP.

[MacDougall]

Like force a mafia to out a properly verifiable fake claim that ruins them or die basically.

[Alison]

If I was the jailer and I jailed someone and their role claim was vt or sketchy in the slightest i probably just kill them. Thoughts?

If I was the jailer I'd use the ability like a vigilante that misses if they shoot a verifiable PR. So yes.

[MacDougall]

Our daily exe has the potential of being influenced by the Mafia and 3p. The jailer is above reproach. Pretty basic to me.

[Alison]

Our daily exe has the potential of being influenced by the Mafia and 3p. The jailer is above reproach. Pretty basic to me.

ok. If that's the case then jailor should act as a vigilante and not try to townfirm people, right?

[MacDougall]

Actually you are probably right in that we should probably shadow vote and the jailer should just jail the consensus who gets shadow voted.

[MacDougall]

Our daily exe has the potential of being influenced by the Mafia and 3p. The jailer is above reproach. Pretty basic to me.

ok. If that's the case then jailor should act as a vigilante and not try to townfirm people, right?

As in kill unless they're given a hell of a reason not to?

[Alison]

Verifiable roles (that we know about):

Mayor
Leeroy
Gunsmith
Blacksmith

I think?

[MacDougall]

There is a meta game here too like the real jailer will need to be covered by town softing or pretend slipping as jailer and shit. Fun times.

[MacDougall]

Verifiable roles (that we know about):

Mayor
Leeroy
Gunsmith
Blacksmith

I think?

There are probably a few that are at least like situational like you can force them to publicise their claim if in doubt and see if there is a cc. An uncountered n1 doc claim would be also a verified town.

[Alison]

Our daily exe has the potential of being influenced by the Mafia and 3p. The jailer is above reproach. Pretty basic to me.

ok. If that's the case then jailor should act as a vigilante and not try to townfirm people, right?

As in kill unless they're given a hell of a reason not to?

Yeah. Basically you pick someone to exe (either whoever the town shadow voted or whoever the jailor personally thinks is scum), and unless they claim one of the four roles above, you exe them. If they do claim one of those roles, let them prove it the next day.

[Alison]

The summation of the shadow vote vs jailor decides debate is basically that the shadow voting system lets more people solve and contribute analysis, at the cost of being more corruptible. The jailor is beyond reproach, but only has the solving ability of one person. If you trust the towncore, you should probably lean more towards shadow vote (because if the people who have the most influence over the votes are more trustworthy, then the lower the downside of shadow voting is), and if you think there's a deepwolf in it, you should lean more towards letting the jailor make the call.

[MacDougall]

On day 2 I lean to the latter. It's unlikely all the Mafia are scummy right now.

[sprityo]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names

we all cant read lol

okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other

i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like

Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange

and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc

yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup

i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them

This is incorrect, there is only one btsc, sorry if that was confusing

[Alison]

tutuu hard spewed not-mafia

[Made]

This is the most heady game of mafia I’ve ever played

[MacDougall]

tutuu hard spewed not-mafia

There are a few i feel this way about but I don't really want to out them honestly.

[MacDougall]

Like imagine if Tutuu is jailer. Cool. Now be quiet lol.

[MacDougall]

Right now I would only agree to no lynch or kill NIK.

[Made]

tutuu hard spewed not-mafia

There are a few i feel this way about but I don't really want to out them honestly.

Tbh, no more town reading in thread till town reads are proven needed again? As more information is created, these will begin to hurt town more and more. Scum reads only

[Master Radishes]

How bout we just play normal mafia.

[tutuu]

i disagree with the jailer plan as of right now, i thought about it but

let's say jailor jails scum. the scum will just claim a non-verifiable town pr. obviously. wtf is the jailer supposed to do? assuming they have the same info as we do, they will just let them go. and if they were so obviously scummy that they needed to die anyway regardless of their claim, why not just yeet them?

and the difference between that and regular yeet is that this scummy mafia can again claim a non-verifiable town pr during eod, but at least the real town pr is given the option to cc, or, they would know that that person is mafia, which can account for their night actions whereas with the jailor everything is completely hidden from the town

maybe jailor could be used for late game when the game gets more open/solved but i think its anti-town to no-yeet for now, in the early game

[tutuu]

oh were u guys thinking about the mastermind anti claim?

u were worried that we are going to force bandwagoned towns to claim their roles at eod and have them die to the mastermind? whereas that wouldn't happen with the jailer?

well i suppose. i still think the pros of everything being open, public, and the town working together as a team outweights the pros of relying on the jailor solo carrying

we dont even know the jailor is. no offense but what if they're a noob?

[MacDougall]

Ah shit. Tutuu is mafia lol.

[Master Radishes]

Mech solve sucks. Let's play Mafia.

[tutuu]

Mech solve sucks. Let's play Mafia.

vote polypies

[sabie12]

Okay so jacks teammates may not have even known who he was? And if they didn't then we can't assume NIK is town and vote analysisis a bit more difficult. I've never played a game where the jailor was deciding but I guess the potential issue is the jailor would have to out themselves if they were going to try to out another person's power so they can't they just have to decide in talking to the person if they're believable or not. So the person would pick from a consensus list of people and decide? I don't know my brain hurts trying to process. So like the jailor idea may not move the game forward or may end up getting town people killed I think it has the potential to give the obliterator more info.

I get why people want to try and come up with creative ways to game solve but I also do agree just playing the game would be nice too

[sabie12]

Yeah polypies probably scum. I looked at their ISO which is pretty much them having a conversation with themselves saying jack and nik were scummy but also towny? Then that's about it. So yeah that's not great at all.

Also have nova and nanook been around anymore? Chuck was here for like 5 minutes and myo?

Where did everyone go?

[Myo]

Heya! As a head's up I'm going to be very quiet today but should be more present tomorrow (grad. school apps. are due today so I want to focus on double-checking everything for that while I still can).

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

ANNOUNCEMENT: THE OBLITERATOR HAS TRIED TO KILL @Made AS THE TRACKER AND FAILED

Does this clear Made?

Too many secrets

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nanook tried to shield sabie, thats a yuck from me dawg

Yeah cause she’s probably town

Besides that Mac is TRing me and has yet to get me wrong, so either you think he’s town and should sheep his read or you think he’s mafia and we’d be playing more in sync thus making me town, either way I’m town and you’re just gonna have to deal with it

[Grand Scheme]

Maybe the mafia will naturally figure out who each other are just based on them talking about night kills and someone speaking up, saying wait wait we shouldn't kill that player LOL.

[Grand Scheme]

Sorry, I was reading back a couple of pages and forgot that's not the current conversation.

[falcon45ca]

NIIIIK talk to me, NIK.

Just for you ill give it a shot and play..........once im done reading the thread

Spoiler: show

Haven't had good feeling on Sabie and sig. Seeing them on the NIK wagon gives me pause.

Cornered scum NIK usually just ghosts or lock votes on me and then ghosts.
I've been giving him leash and he's yet to sulk or act like a huge baby. Pair that with two scum leans voting for him. I dunno.

NIK, if you're town don't bitch out and sulk or some shit. Having a hard time taking my vote off you, but not a fan of a couple on your wagon.

Reads bitch, within the next two hours. Failure to do so will result in everything being your fault no matter how you flip.

But i was looking forward to it being your fault.

So have you caught up yet? I want your reads no matter how ridiculous or skim read they are.
You've gotta have something by now.
Anything

Jack. i might have missed something but his play as of when i have been paying attention isnt really all that scummy Correct me if i missed something

Jack can we have a quick word.

I dunno what's happening with you or whatever but like you are so far out of your town meta here that I am not sure it makes sense for you to be mafia because as mafia you'd do a better job looking like your town self. What's going on here?

Don’t chop me, k?

You seem like a sad puppy being on the chopping block.
Get angry tell em whats up
I myself have missed why you're scum and didnt really see it but the sad puppy stuff isnt a good look
No offence

Look at this crap lol. Please.

Agree. Personally, I think we had w/w wagons.

[falcon45ca]

Mech solve sucks. Let's play Mafia.

I'm with you. Who's your top 3 scum, and who's your top 3 town?

[falcon45ca]

Yeah polypies probably scum. I looked at their ISO which is pretty much them having a conversation with themselves saying jack and nik were scummy but also towny? Then that's about it. So yeah that's not great at all.

Also have nova and nanook been around anymore? Chuck was here for like 5 minutes and myo?

Where did everyone go?

Why don't you vote for them?

[falcon45ca]

Yeah polypies probably scum. I looked at their ISO which is pretty much them having a conversation with themselves saying jack and nik were scummy but also towny? Then that's about it. So yeah that's not great at all.

Also have nova and nanook been around anymore? Chuck was here for like 5 minutes and myo?

Where did everyone go?

Why don't you vote for them?

[falcon45ca]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names

we all cant read lol

okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other

i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like

Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange

and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc

yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup

i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them

This isn't necessarily true. Mafia could have btsc /w each other AND oblitstermind.

i suppose u could be right. maybe i misunderstood that sentence

i suppose i just cant imagine a caht with multiple ppl, all of them having codenames

like, a quick topic chat, where everyone has a code name

whats the point? eh whatevrs, it is also pretty weird for mafia to not even have communication

Haven't you seen Reservoir Dogs?

[falcon45ca]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names

we all cant read lol

okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other

i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like

Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange

and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc

yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup

i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them

This isn't necessarily true. Mafia could have btsc /w each other AND oblitstermind.

i suppose u could be right. maybe i misunderstood that sentence

i suppose i just cant imagine a caht with multiple ppl, all of them having codenames

like, a quick topic chat, where everyone has a code name

whats the point? eh whatevrs, it is also pretty weird for mafia to not even have communication

Haven't you seen Reservoir Dogs?

[tutuu]

oh lol

u rite. great movie

[falcon45ca]

What do you mean by perfect wolf cover?

Well, you guys have a new group of players in this game.
Our numbers are smaller than yours.
When falc and I start railing NIK and make him a viable wagon, it's the perfect opportunity for syndiwolves to take advantage of what could be seen as an easy mischop. They all get solid deniability by just saying "these guys who know him pushed the wagon, and he did look scummy".

Thats what I meant.

Take a look at Jacks & NIKs interaction, I think we just had 2 wolves

[Thunal33]

nice

so Nutella is basically 100% locktown, Alison very likely town as well. LC might have been openwolfing with that EoD, but I genuinely can't decide if he would be that obviously trying to save his partner as scum.

No, I'm just that lame. I'm far more likely to bus if he's my teammate, not that very regrettable crap.

I don't think I have ever read jack right in any games I play with him.

I believed he was 3rd party.

I thought if he was 3p then he shouldn't live since that's basically a free kill on non-town, and that he was 3p at best (maybe 3p or mafia, but not town).

[Thunal33]

If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names

we all cant read lol

okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other

i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like

Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange

and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc

yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup

i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them

This isn't necessarily true. Mafia could have btsc /w each other AND oblitstermind.

i suppose u could be right. maybe i misunderstood that sentence

i suppose i just cant imagine a caht with multiple ppl, all of them having codenames

like, a quick topic chat, where everyone has a code name

whats the point? eh whatevrs, it is also pretty weird for mafia to not even have communication

I thought mafia (including the mastermind) could talk to each other from what sprityo said, just anonymously. How could mafia decide who got which role if they couldn't talk at all?

[Thunal33]

Mouser bad.
Obviously scum jumping on scum jack in the middle of the wagon.
Total scum move.

If you think being in the middle of the wagon looks towny, then what do you think of Master Radishes?

[Thundercat]

In the cold of the darkest corridors
Bold roles lay bloodied on linoleum floors
I ain't no mechanic
I see no need to panic
Until they tell me to drop my drawers

Excuse me!!!!

[Thunal33]

A lot of people are assuming mafia know each other while analyzing wagons but we don't know that. That's part of why I think Sabie isn't a great vote, she has a null ISO and her NIK vote isn't necessarily AI. I also feel like she has decent justification for her vote on NIK. With the amount of protectives and unknown kill mechanics I don't think an RB means much of anything.

[Thundercat]

So here are my relevant reads:

1. 112 is my top town. Polypies seems town.
2. Alison and Nutella are town but they've completely jumped the shark as players.
3. Tutuu is probably but might not be town and same with Poison. The fact that the majority of the game has been played through reading Tutuu who has been entirely NAI from my perspective meant I just wasted nearly 2 hours of my life catching up for no reason. Poison is actually probably just town too tbh.
4. The CDC clique being given a bunched town clear is the dumbest shit I have ever heard on maths alone let alone that there are actually players within that group that are scummy and some are town.
5. Falcon and Flanders are loltown.
6. KZA, NIK, Made, Sig, Martin all have pretty high equity to be mafia.
7. Anyone pretending to have near to lock reads here has mafia equity.
8. Sloonei is a 3p.
9. Kylemii is my top mafia.

interesting. can you expand on this

this one is also probably a sloo teammate

Wait did he really ask you to expand on point 8 but not point 9?

MacDougall has suspected me in every game we've played in together in the last 10 years, so I wasn't interested in clarification on that point.

not to mention he posted that list immediately following the joke read list I made before reading the thread.

Are you two giving me the runaround now? I don't like this.

[Thunal33]

Are self votes acceptable jokes here?
At home self votes are NEVER town.

I don't have a lot of experience on The Syndicate but I'm used to self-vote jokes being somewhat common.