Bike [END]

[Hally]

I think a more salient question is whether Epi decides to shake off his quasi-retirement slumber to go full throttle in a game he rolls scum when he has in recent games been half throttle

I think it’s more likely he rolled town and his pride is goading him into playing hard

i don’t really think he was going full throttle D1

[Marmot]

Marmot - Grabbed quotes that helped hanged Made. Unnecessary if scum.

*Pulls out last remaining hair*

No, I’m considering. It’s just I forgot you guys are way into totally unnecessary bussing lol

Since my return here, I've actually defended my teammates rather than bussing them since that's been more in vogue. It's been weird concept to learn since my teammates are always so obviously scummy.

Except for Shadow Corridor Mafia, where I happily bussed all of my teammates. Ignore that one.

[Marmot]

Marmot - Grabbed quotes that helped hanged Made. Unnecessary if scum.

*Pulls out last remaining hair*

No, I’m considering. It’s just I forgot you guys are way into totally unnecessary bussing lol

Since my return here, I've actually defended my teammates rather than bussing them since that's been more in vogue. It's been weird concept to learn since my teammates are always so obviously scummy.

Except for Shadow Corridor Mafia, where I happily bussed all of my teammates. Ignore that one.

[Marmot]

Marmot - Grabbed quotes that helped hanged Made. Unnecessary if scum.

*Pulls out last remaining hair*

No, I’m considering. It’s just I forgot you guys are way into totally unnecessary bussing lol

Since my return here, I've actually defended my teammates rather than bussing them since that's been more in vogue. It's been weird concept to learn since my teammates are always so obviously scummy.

Except for Shadow Corridor Mafia, where I happily bussed all of my teammates. Ignore that one.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I think a more salient question is whether Epi decides to shake off his quasi-retirement slumber to go full throttle in a game he rolls scum when he has in recent games been half throttle

I think it’s more likely he rolled town and his pride is goading him into playing hard

i don’t really think he was going full throttle D1

A lot closer to full throttle than recent games, if you feel like splitting hairs

[Marmot]

Well, I've double-posted before, but I don't think I've ever triple-posted. Oops

[Epignosis]

So i've played games with everyone here (including Juliet ) besides Dyslexicon, Guillotine, Seanzie, and Snowmelts. Y'all from off world or just syndicats I've haven't met yet?

Either way- Hi! I'm Made. I play mafia on this site sometimes. My favorite color is purple, and I play the piano!

Hi, I'm Sean. My favorite color is also purple. I do not play the piano, and this is my first game on this site and 8th overall.

I play the piano and my mother's favorite color is purple!

So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.

Spoiler: show

In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.

No. Read it in the voice of HIM.

oh, townlean seanzie. he seems neat

Tell me more! Specifically how neat I am!

But seriously, any reason for the townlean?

I have no problem with this interaction.

oh, townlean seanzie. he seems neat

Tell me more! Specifically how neat I am!

But seriously, any reason for the townlean?

I just like the cut of your jib. I can point to specific jibs if you'd like

Yes please!

I think in general jib is Nai.

Are you British?

So far much of these interactions are devoid of any attempt to figure each other out.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

If my reads are correct, this is the third town in a row Made has shaded. First it was me, then it was the Guillotina vote, and now Long Con.

Is Made sheeping me?

Not sure why are you asking me this question, I have no answer, I don't think there is anything important here.

Sorry, I didn't really mean it to be a question directed at you. I quoted your post because it made me realize that you, Guillotine and Long Con have been the people I have voted, an interesting coincidence. The question was intended to be more directed to the thread in general, sorry.

It took me a few times reading this to get it, but I think I do. Okay.

I'm drunk and I feel like Dizzy and Guillotine are teamed.

Unrelated to Made, but saw it and had to include it.

No actually if Made flips wolf I believe that looks good if not great for Guillo

Is there an interaction I should look at to convince myself of this?

What I find incredulous about this is twofold:

First, Made hasn't made (ugh) that many posts.

Second, it's easy to see that on the surface, one can conclude that Guillotine is a viable alternative to a Made lynch.

Pretty quiet for EoD...

What's wrong with quiet? What do you expect to happen? Given that Made is mafia, what should have happened in the thirty minutes before the vote locked?

I am a bit worried. If there are three wolves, I can't imagine they are all on one wagon trying to save their scummate right now. Unless if both Guillotine and Made are wolves, I feel like there would be more activity trying to move wagons around. Made did try to move votes onto MR, which is interesting, but other than that, the quiet is creeping me out.

How do you interpret Master Radishes and Guillotine now that you know Made is bad?

@TonyStarkPrime , @Hally y, if you had to choose to vote for one of Made or Guillotine, who would it be?

Here's a prompt to get people to act one way or another. I don't hate it on it's own.

I wish I was one of the votes for Made right now so I could unvote and create tension to see what happens. I hate how quiet it is. Is this a usual EoD here?

The urge to "create tension" is a request for others to move their votes or for others to grant permission, as it were, for Seanzie to move.

If you are a civilian, vote wherever the hell you want in the interim, observe, and just make sure your vote is where you want it in the end.

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

There's your spiciness sean.

Thanks, lets see what happens!

Marmot granted the spicy wish.

[VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine I don't like how quiet the thread is leading up to a Made or Guillotine lunch...

Marmot and Seanzie both ended up voting with Made for Master Radishes.

That's a mess.

Seanzie has to share the headless doll with Marmot, but the drawing room is getting full and the wrestling mat is so spacious.

[Marmot]

I think a more salient question is whether Epi decides to shake off his quasi-retirement slumber to go full throttle in a game he rolls scum when he has in recent games been half throttle

I think it’s more likely he rolled town and his pride is goading him into playing hard

And this game is full of so many wonderful people and Epignosis is excited to play with us all!!!!!!!!!!

[tutuu]

I think bussing is generally bad but after seeing recently how poorly some Scum players play I think that you just have to bus them to cut your losses otherwise you can't win the game.

[TonyStarkPrime]

tony have you explained why nook is “hmm” to you?

nanook feels like he is relaxing in the lazy river, content to flow through the game, checking off boxes as he will. this is not towny.

but

the epi read is

good

[Epignosis]

Can someone confirm that Epi is against bussing? I’ve probably heard it before. I feel none of his votes D1 were strong, and it seems like he just ended on Made randomly almost.

Jules would never bus in that manner, I don’t think.

I've done it perhaps three or four times, once deliberately for fun and the other times due to circumstance.

[tutuu]

Well it depends on how poorly the town is playing too. If they are also playing poorly maybe you can get away with not bussing.

[Dyslexicon]

My current rainbow looks like this.


Marmot
Dyslexicon
Seanzie
tutuu
Epignosis
Guillotine
snowmelts/Hally
juliets
Long Con
Master Radishes
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
TonyStarkPrime

Can’t really argue with this list.

[Marmot]

tony have you explained why nook is “hmm” to you?

nanook feels like he is relaxing in the lazy river, content to flow through the game, checking off boxes as he will. this is not towny.

but

the epi read is

good

The Epi read on who?

[Epignosis]

Can someone confirm that Epi is against bussing? I’ve probably heard it before. I feel none of his votes D1 were strong, and it seems like he just ended on Made randomly almost.

Jules would never bus in that manner, I don’t think.

I think I've only seen it happen once. He bussed DDL Day 1 in a game a while back, and it was pretty glorious to watch. I forget, but I think it was even a pre-meditated bus. This is kind of a pitiful attempt at a bus by his standards if that's what happened this game.

Then again, I've been away for 2 years and have missed a lot.

That was Guess Who?, and it was indeed DDL. I said to him, "Can I throw you under the bus? I've never done that sort of thing." We did it and won. Fun format Elohcin and I made up together.

[TonyStarkPrime]

While we're talking on it, the problem with bussing is that it assumes that towns act rationally and won't be paranoid, while 1) it should be to the advantage of the wolves if town does not do these things and 2) town never does these things

[TonyStarkPrime]

tony have you explained why nook is “hmm” to you?

nanook feels like he is relaxing in the lazy river, content to flow through the game, checking off boxes as he will. this is not towny.

but

the epi read is

good

The Epi read on who?

I should say the nanook observation on epi. it's not exactly a read

[Guillotine]

Wait a minute, if it's night how is it that everyone is posting still? Host forgot to close it?

[Epignosis]

I think a more salient question is whether Epi decides to shake off his quasi-retirement slumber to go full throttle in a game he rolls scum when he has in recent games been half throttle

I think it’s more likely he rolled town and his pride is goading him into playing hard

I'm still retired. This is recreational.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wait a minute, if it's night how is it that everyone is posting still? Host forgot to close it?

open nights are a syndicate staple

[Epignosis]

Wait a minute, if it's night how is it that everyone is posting still? Host forgot to close it?

AW SHIT WE ALL FIXIN TO BE NIGHT KILLED

[Marmot]

Wait a minute, if it's night how is it that everyone is posting still? Host forgot to close it?

Rulebreaker!

[Guillotine]

Bruh. I work 12 hours a day, I was hoping I could catch up. Did it say in the sign ups it was open night?

[Dyslexicon]

Why is dizzy in your voltron?

I literally caught Made from his first post on D1 lol

[Epignosis]

I think bussing is generally bad but after seeing recently how poorly some Scum players play I think that you just have to bus them to cut your losses otherwise you can't win the game.

[Dyslexicon]

Bruh. I work 12 hours a day, I was hoping I could catch up. Did it say in the sign ups it was open night?

No, it’s just a thing here. It’s weird, I know. Should probably warn new players about it.

[Epignosis]

Quick takes on Guillotine's reaction to night posting. Go.

[Marmot]

Quick takes on Guillotine's reaction to night posting. Go.

NAI

[Epignosis]

Quick takes on Guillotine's reaction to night posting. Go.

NAI

Anyone else? I feel differently.

[Guillotine]

Bruh. I work 12 hours a day, I was hoping I could catch up. Did it say in the sign ups it was open night?

No, it’s just a thing here. It’s weird, I know. Should probably warn new players about it.

Ppppffff

I will not read anything that happened during Day 1 then but I will say this.

I deserve no credit for voting on Made. I did it for just two reasons:

1) Self-Preservation
2) And I sheeped tutuu whom I town read.

To say that I voted Made thanks to my own due process would be a lie.

[Seanzie]

I feel like the fact that the vote was 5 (guillotine) to 6 (Made) for quite a while up until very close to EoD, it is unlikely that we had a busser. I'd guess there were two scum on Guilotine's wagon and 1 on MR (assuming there are three scum in the game) before I moved to MR.

eh, it’s very hard to draw reliable conclusions from wagons in this way because there’s so many reasons why the votes could be as they are and wolves often don’t have a coherent voting strategy

to be clear, for this analysis are you assuming guillo is town? why?

That is true, I'm definitely not saying there ABSOLUTELY were 2 wolves on Guillotine and one on MR, just that I think it is the most likely breakdown.

I feel like if I wouldn't have moved to MR, we would have ended with 5 votes on Guillotine and 6 on Made. I think it is unlikely if Guillotine is scum that we would have had 11/13 votes on scum. Maybe town is just super good and mafia is bussing a lot, but it just seems like a lot. So, I'd guess based off the wagons that Guillotine is town.

Sean, can you explain this a little bit more? Before the flip you mentioned that you thought Made and Guillo was either t/t or s/s, but after the flip you more so assume Guillo.

I’m not quite following your rationale.

You know, that is a great question, and I don't know if I have a great answer. Before the flip, the T/T or S/S guess was based mostly just on the idea that it was really quiet, so I didn't think it was T/S since if it was, it was too close for scum to not be trying to do something to save their scummate.

After the flip, I guessed Guillotine is town just based on number of votes. If Guillotine is scum, 11/13 votes were on scum. Given that Hally was one of the two people not on Guillotine or Made, and I am feeling good about Town!Hally, this would mean that at most one scum wasn't bussing, and possibly all three were, which just seems excessive, plus town is batting really well - a lot better than they usually do in my experience if Guillotine is scum too.

People have been mentioning that there is a lot of bussing on this site though, so I am starting to rethink Guillotine. To be honest, I'm not completely sure what I think about EoD yet.

[Marmot]

I think this is Guillotine's first game here, so if he's scum, he might not necessarily be aware of the Syndicate bussing style.

Made didn't bus either of his teammates in the Christmastime mafia game. I think the closest he got was null-reading one teammate while the other was a townread.



But I should probably consider a world where Guillotine is mafia, and that was why Made opted to push a MR chop instead of Guillotine.

[Marmot]

Before I swapped to MR, I believe the tally was as follows.

Made - 6
Guillotine - 5
Radish - 2



I dunno. Just from a tally perspective, it makes sense for Made to try to convince me to chop Guillotine here if he's town, not MR.

[Dyslexicon]

There’s probably a difference check between guillo and radishes and radishes is probably the town

difference check how? also why do you think radishy is the town over guillo?

Don’t think there’s more than one busser

Assuming made wagon is at least five town, wagons being 6/4/3 is weird

If they’re both town it’s much more likely mafia coalesce around one, if guillo is town he makes more sense imo due to the parked vote(s) on him

And radishes doesn’t super make sense as partners with made given votes, unless mafia just decided to bus bus bus

So I think good odds that guillo/radishes are not both town and that radishes is the town

Continuing this.

I don’t have an overview of how close the wagons were as I wasn’t present. If anyone can be bothered to make one, that would be super cool.

There are some relevant questions:
Why try to make Radish the yeet over Guillo? Was it more likely at the time that Radish’s would go through?

I understand the notion of the “difference check”, though I’m not sure it has to be true.

[tutuu]

You guys are bringing good arguments for why Guillo could be scum.

[Epignosis]

Sort by postcount.

Why are Made and snowmelts green??

Because I desired to sort by post count and there are 3 mafia and there are 3 people I scumread and those people are not Made and snowmelts.

I simply don’t understand what’s going on here

I would expect Tony to ask questions and determine what's going on here. Doesn't happen.

The tonal shift is the /only/ thing about it that’s town. Tutuu’s posts are probably rand wolf from a player of her caliber but just the sun of it is undeniable

Linki: jesus don’t everyone change the subject all at once
Marmot I’m town which means I don’t care which means please carry me

Um. The tonal shift is what made me suspect or rather just thrown off in the first place. What do you mean that her posts are rand wolf from a player of her caliber? Why is tonal shift town?

It’s intentional, wolves don’t do that. The posts are rand wolf because I think a lot of them are scummy but that doesn’t matter because tutuu is town and thus all her posts are town

Wolves aren't intentional? that's a weird take

wolves very rarely intentionally do wolfy things :P

I don't agree with Tony, but I don't know what to make of this exchange.

With risk of tunneling and apologies to TSP in advance if I'm wrong, the posts he's making remind me of the scum game he played in that Russian something something game where he kept distancing and scumreading and interacting with his partners. (His posts towards Made and MR here)

I haven’t interacted with either of these people :P

This is demonstrably untrue (see above). Still, I don't know what to make of it.

TSP can sit in the corner until I figure out what to do with him. This is the most inconclusive person I've investigated.

[Epignosis]

I'm not doing tutuu. Fuck that.

[Dyslexicon]

I feel like the fact that the vote was 5 (guillotine) to 6 (Made) for quite a while up until very close to EoD, it is unlikely that we had a busser. I'd guess there were two scum on Guilotine's wagon and 1 on MR (assuming there are three scum in the game) before I moved to MR.

eh, it’s very hard to draw reliable conclusions from wagons in this way because there’s so many reasons why the votes could be as they are and wolves often don’t have a coherent voting strategy

to be clear, for this analysis are you assuming guillo is town? why?

That is true, I'm definitely not saying there ABSOLUTELY were 2 wolves on Guillotine and one on MR, just that I think it is the most likely breakdown.

I feel like if I wouldn't have moved to MR, we would have ended with 5 votes on Guillotine and 6 on Made. I think it is unlikely if Guillotine is scum that we would have had 11/13 votes on scum. Maybe town is just super good and mafia is bussing a lot, but it just seems like a lot. So, I'd guess based off the wagons that Guillotine is town.

Sean, can you explain this a little bit more? Before the flip you mentioned that you thought Made and Guillo was either t/t or s/s, but after the flip you more so assume Guillo.

I’m not quite following your rationale.

You know, that is a great question, and I don't know if I have a great answer. Before the flip, the T/T or S/S guess was based mostly just on the idea that it was really quiet, so I didn't think it was T/S since if it was, it was too close for scum to not be trying to do something to save their scummate.

After the flip, I guessed Guillotine is town just based on number of votes. If Guillotine is scum, 11/13 votes were on scum. Given that Hally was one of the two people not on Guillotine or Made, and I am feeling good about Town!Hally, this would mean that at most one scum wasn't bussing, and possibly all three were, which just seems excessive, plus town is batting really well - a lot better than they usually do in my experience if Guillotine is scum too.

People have been mentioning that there is a lot of bussing on this site though, so I am starting to rethink Guillotine. To be honest, I'm not completely sure what I think about EoD yet.

I see. I think the idea of “scum would try to save" can be faulty here, since quite a few people weren’t around. If scum wasn’t around, obviously they can’t do anything. In fact, who was around at EoD.

But thanks for explaining. I think you’re town, since I don’t think your interaction with Made looks like teammates at all. His town read especially looked tmi to me.

[Epignosis]

One more drink and then I'm out for the evening.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Why is dizzy in your voltron?

I literally caught Made from his first post on D1 lol

This wasn’t Hally’s answer though

[Dyslexicon]

Why is dizzy in your voltron?

I literally caught Made from his first post on D1 lol

This wasn’t Hally’s answer though

It kind if was. Even if not - so what? I’m confirmed town.com. Get into it.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I have you in my town core stop complaining

[Dyslexicon]

I think I’m at this -

Town:
Tutu
Jules
Epi
Sean

Probably town:
Hally

Could go both ways:
Guillo (feeling town)
Nanook (feeling town)
Marmot

Direct PoE:
Radish
Tony
LC

[Dyslexicon]

I don’t like how LC (weakly) shaded Sean at the beginning of the night either.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

tony have you explained why nook is “hmm” to you?

nanook feels like he is relaxing in the lazy river, content to flow through the game, checking off boxes as he will. this is not towny.

but

the epi read is

good

It unironically is

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

There’s probably a difference check between guillo and radishes and radishes is probably the town

difference check how? also why do you think radishy is the town over guillo?

Don’t think there’s more than one busser

Assuming made wagon is at least five town, wagons being 6/4/3 is weird

If they’re both town it’s much more likely mafia coalesce around one, if guillo is town he makes more sense imo due to the parked vote(s) on him

And radishes doesn’t super make sense as partners with made given votes, unless mafia just decided to bus bus bus

So I think good odds that guillo/radishes are not both town and that radishes is the town

Continuing this.

I don’t have an overview of how close the wagons were as I wasn’t present. If anyone can be bothered to make one, that would be super cool.

There are some relevant questions:
Why try to make Radish the yeet over Guillo? Was it more likely at the time that Radish’s would go through?

I understand the notion of the “difference check”, though I’m not sure it has to be true.

Of course it doesn’t HAVE to be true, but I think there’s a good chance it is. Like 80ish %

[Dyslexicon]

Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.

I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?

[Dyslexicon]

Yeah, but it could be Radish too? Why not keep the vote on Guillo if you’re Made and you already decided to bus Guillo earlier? Why switch off the last second to try and make a wagon on Radish if Radish is town and Guillo is scum, when it didn’t look particularly likely Radish was going to get yeeted anyway? It doesn’t make sense. Unless they are literally all the scum team lol

I think it looks worse for Radish than for Guillo the more I think about it.

I’ll answer your question with another question

If made and guillo are both mafia which would you prefer survive D1?

Wouldn’t care much, personally. Both.

Why is this a relevant question?

[Dyslexicon]

Didn’t I have an inkling of a Radish/Guillo connection earlier? I don’t know how valid this is, but it would be hilarious if that was the team.

I’d place Guillo over Radish though, based on Made’s switch off of Guillo. If Made is about to go down and has a bus vote on Guillo, it makes sense to just keep it to set up his teammate for success, or alternatively gain cred if Guillo gains more votes. Jumping off to a lesser town wagon makes much less sense imo, especially when Made in this scenario would’ve already made the conscious decision to place a bus vote on Guillo.

So Guillo is only scum if it’s with Radish, is my conclusion off of this. Thoughts?