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Epignosis
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Marmot
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Master Radishes
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Seanzie
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Master Radishes wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

As for his individual explanations, aside from the one about me, they are all anchored in specific moments. It feels…nitpicky, like he’s found one specific scummy moment and is blowing it up into a full case.

In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset.
ok I don't know where my color option went but 1) I'm not worried about chopping nook and 2) is this actual TMI?
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Re: Bike [Day 0]

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Epignosis wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:04 pm
Made wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:03 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:09 pm Question. What kind of bear is best.
A polar bear, but only bearly
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Epignosis wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:11 pm
Made wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:10 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:01 pm
Made wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:57 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:43 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:42 pm

Request dismissed. You are apparently not in the game.
What is your opinion of Seanzie?
I do not have opinions. I operate on a binary model where I only discern truths from falses. And since I am a member of the Town, I shall only state facts. Seanzie is a member of the Town.
Okay ms tutuu, riddle me this:

This statement is false.

where's the lie? WHERE IS THE LIE?
The lie is in your request. You know that the statement is a paradox with no correct answer, ergo, requesting of me to find the lie in something you know has no lies is a faulty and disgenuine command.
or a turing test :ninja:

linki: I've played with dunya a few times before i disappeared. I also know to fear Epi. We lylo'd in the first vocoroo mafia. It basically ended in rap battle...that I lost :(
I'm pretty sure it was my progressive rock number that did you in.
Epignosis wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:15 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:12 pm I have decided that Made is Town-aligned.
And what drove this decision?
Epignosis wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:18 pm
Made wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:13 pm
Epignosis wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:11 pm
Made wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:10 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:01 pm
Made wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:57 pm
tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 10:45 pm

I do not have opinions. I operate on a binary model where I only discern truths from falses. And since I am a member of the Town, I shall only state facts. Seanzie is a member of the Town.
Okay ms tutuu, riddle me this:

This statement is false.

where's the lie? WHERE IS THE LIE?
The lie is in your request. You know that the statement is a paradox with no correct answer, ergo, requesting of me to find the lie in something you know has no lies is a faulty and disgenuine command.
or a turing test :ninja:

linki: I've played with dunya a few times before i disappeared. I also know to fear Epi. We lylo'd in the first vocoroo mafia. It basically ended in rap battle...that I lost :(
I'm pretty sure it was my progressive rock number that did you in.
prog rock is just for math rock for the WEAK
I don't know how to respond to this.
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Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 11:28 pm @Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?
I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( :goofp: ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:
Guillotine wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:47 pm Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.
This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.
Epignosis wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:54 am
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Marmot wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:48 am
juliets wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:28 pm ok I read through tutuu's ISO and have a question about the votes for her - is the main reason for the votes that she has tonally shifted in this game from her tone in other games and on discord? Someone, I can't remember who, said that it doesn't really make good sense to open your role card, see you've drawn mafia and made a decision to shift your tone in this game. I tend to agree with that. I haven't ISO'd her voters so maybe I'll find some additional reasons there but feel free to talk to me here about the additional evidence.

Also, I'm not going to do many ISO's tonight because I process much better in the morning and I want to watch the Cleveland v. Pittsburg game. For those who don't know me, I tend to play early in the day and not as much as night.
Made wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.
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In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

Can we talk about these two posts? Why did Made and juliets both chime in after long absences and iso tutuu??
Juliets just joined the game tonight how long could her absence have been
All of eternity perhaps.


I guess what I mean is that they both were quite behind on the thread, but they each iso'd tutuu in the process of their catch up. It's a coincidence that I just now recalled.
I'd say you answered your own question.
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Made wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:30 am
Seanzie wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:26 am
Made wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:14 am oh, townlean seanzie. he seems neat
Tell me more! Specifically how neat I am!

But seriously, any reason for the townlean?
I just like the cut of your jib. I can point to specific jibs if you'd like
Yes please!

I think in general jib is Nai.

Are you British?
Yes, I think Vaguely Ohio is somewhere just east of Leicestershire, I'm sure of it.
Epignosis wrote: Mon Jan 11, 2021 1:43 am [VOTE: Made] aubergine

Tell me why this is wrong.

I'm reconsidering my townread of Epignosis. Above is every interaction he had with Made. Most of these are off topic or fluffy. In one post he did ask tutuu why she townread Made. Thats's the closest to talking about him in the context of this game that Epignosis gets. This isn't how I'd expect Epignosis to handle a teammate, but it's not how I'd expect him to handle Made as town either if I think about it. I think I'd expect more probing and at least one question directed at Made or a post as to why he thinks Made's scum. Epignosis aside, I think these interactions are teammate compatible.

Then he votes for Made.

At least with the other votes that Epi made throughout the day that look like serious votes, he explained reasons for them. I suppose it's possible Epignosis wasn't serious? Then again, his first post after the flip was "It's better to be lucky than good". I don't think he'd call himself lucky if the vote was a joke, he'd admit it was a joke.

@Epignosis What did you mean by "Tell me why this is wrong" in that vote post?
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Re: Bike [Day 1]

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Long Con wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:29 pmAs such, I don't necessarily buy all the arguments made for a Made/MR team with distancing. It felt to me in the moment that Made's vote was an honest attempt to get MR lunched, and that an MR CFD was viable. Not sure what that is worth, but since a lot of people have been talking about it, I'll say that even if it ended up at 6/4 Made/MR, this isn't obviously bussing from my perspective.
If Made and MR were on a team, what do you think Made would have done when the two of them were the top contenders that late in the day?
I mean, MR wasn't a top contender until Made moved to MR. About 15 minute before EoD, MR only had TSP and Hally voting for him (2 votes). Made pushed Marmot towards MR, and I also ended up kind of pushing Marmot towards MR, so Marmot then switched to MR, making to TSP, Hally and Marmot on MR (3 votes). Hally came in almost immediately afterwards and moved to Made (so MR is at TSP and Marmot - 2 votes) and only after that did I move to MR (MR is at 3 votes now, and there is only like 3 minutes left), then Made almost immediately followed me to MR (only at this vote did MR become the leading counterwagon). So, the only time the two of them were the top contenders was like with 2 minutes left, and that was at the behest of Made.

If Made and MR were on a team, then yeah, it is possible that me moving from Guillotine to MR made Made give up on potentially chopping Guillotine, and that is why Made moved to MR. I can't really conclusively argue against this, but I just feel like Made really did see a path to surviving through chopping MR. with me and Marmot both moving there, I could easily see Made getting excited and moving as well in hopes of surviving.
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:02 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

As for his individual explanations, aside from the one about me, they are all anchored in specific moments. It feels…nitpicky, like he’s found one specific scummy moment and is blowing it up into a full case.

In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset.
ok I don't know where my color option went but 1) I'm not worried about chopping nook and 2) is this actual TMI?
It is not.
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Reading lc now.
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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TSP - MR - Guillotine idk just kill these 3 in some order
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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tutuu wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:09 pm TSP - MR - Guillotine idk just kill these 3 in some order
And LC is my top townread and disregard any mech info that might pop up is legacy if i die instead of Hally or Dizzy
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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I finished reviewing LC's iso. The one time I can remember catching LC as bad it was because he was posting a lot of nothing really, fluff with very few if any reads mixed in. I find him very different in this game, throwing out ideas, giving reads, trying to solve. Therefore, he is not in my POE.

@Long Con there is something I'd like you to clarify for me and that is what your feeling about Epi is this game. I need to read through Epi and I need to find the post someone made after Made's flip that had a good reason to read Epi as town. I remember thinking yeah, good point but I don't remember what the point was, lol!

I'll probably take a look at MR next and then either back to Tony or go to Guillo. One thing I'd like to note is I'm liking @Seanzie more and more every time he posts. I'll look over his ISO to be sure but he's not on my priority list.
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Oh shiet it's the W to the P 69
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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juliets wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:33 pm I finished reviewing LC's iso. The one time I can remember catching LC as bad it was because he was posting a lot of nothing really, fluff with very few if any reads mixed in. I find him very different in this game, throwing out ideas, giving reads, trying to solve. Therefore, he is not in my POE.

@Long Con there is something I'd like you to clarify for me and that is what your feeling about Epi is this game. I need to read through Epi and I need to find the post someone made after Made's flip that had a good reason to read Epi as town. I remember thinking yeah, good point but I don't remember what the point was, lol!

I'll probably take a look at MR next and then either back to Tony or go to Guillo. One thing I'd like to note is I'm liking @Seanzie more and more every time he posts. I'll look over his ISO to be sure but he's not on my priority list.
I haven't really read Epi's big posts today. Lemme get back to you with a more comprehensive answer after I read it. Like I said earlier, I'm in a Zoom classroom right now, so only light touch mafia until later. What is there that's unclear in my posts about him? Help me help you.
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Long Con wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:27 am
Epignosis wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:06 am
Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:36 pm
Made wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.
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In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.
I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.
No. Read it in the voice of HIM.
Who is he?
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:42 am I can throw these names out cause there’s no way i get NKed even if I’m right lol
Why not?
Why would I ever be the N1 NK in this game lol
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Will do @Long Con, I have something else I have to do right now but I will clarify for you.
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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juliets wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:52 pm Will do @Long Con, I have something else I have to do right now but I will clarify for you.
If you need me to clarify my request that you clarify your clarification request, just request.
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:51 pm
Long Con wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:27 am
Epignosis wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:06 am
Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:36 pm
Made wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.
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In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.
I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.
No. Read it in the voice of HIM.
Who is he?
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 8:42 am I can throw these names out cause there’s no way i get NKed even if I’m right lol
Why not?
Why would I ever be the N1 NK in this game lol
famous last words but I can think of a few reasons tbh
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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goodness I'm so dumb
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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tsp: making aggressively bad reads since
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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well I dunno
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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nah I'm good at mafia
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:25 pm tsp: making aggressively bad reads since
Which reads of yours are aggressively bad?
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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if hally and nanook are both town I'm sorta actually just flailing
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Me: MR is town and I'm town and Nanook is a wolf for saying as much
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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I hate having missed EOD. I'm waiting for someone to yell at me for parking my vote on MR so I can make excuses
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Seeing Sean as possible scum seems like a really weird idea to me, and those who are considering it should walk us through it and not just mention it. Nanook and LC for example. I feel Sean is spewed town.

I really don’t get Nanook’s insistence on that scum would want to sacrifice Made over Guillo. Seems like a random assumption to me. Guillo had already said they were less motivated in the thread, they both had a big wagon, they didn’t know each other, why would there obviously be a preference? His sureness of Radish also puzzles me a bit. But sometimes I think Nanook can’t help but be a contrarian =p

Thing is, for me Made/Guillo/Radish actually makes a lot of sense as a team. Guillo already seemed a bit demotivated. It’s possible he was ok getting bussed or voted. Made voted Guillo, but argued more against Tutu. And why did Radish vote Guillo? When I askes him earlier in the day he said town for Guillo (with an added caveat which actually sounded like distancing to me). So when did he decide Guillo was a good vote anyway and why? Considering motivation and movement I don’t think this is a far off theory.

I can’t really argue against the Tony/Made interactions looking real bad though. I’m not entirely convinced Tony is scum, but the interactions doesn’t look great.

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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Oh. Hi, Martin!

Guillo/Radish is still my top guess. They may be harder to place with others than each other.

Tony and Nanook should be suspects, I guess.
Epi’s Made vote is weird. It really is.
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I’m ok following Tutu on a town read on LC.
Marmot really should be town.
Tutu, Jules and Sean lock town.
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Good night.
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Re: Bike [Day 0]

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tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:12 pm I have decided that Made is Town-aligned.
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Okay I'm not sure if I can really turn this around and if I can I'm not starting until Day 2 but I was just scanning my champs games and thought to myself "yeah that's how I want to be playing" but first I have to clean my room
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Radish’s progression on Guillo isn’t really there. I swear, Made/Guillo/Radish crash and burn scum team makes things make sense.

Tony/Radish seems unlikely.

I guess these be my final thoughts and then I may or may not be here for next day.
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Ok @Long Con I think I get it now.

The first time you mentioned Epi in the recent past you put him as second to most likely to be a busser on the Made vote and you said:

"Epignosis is normally inscrutable, but his reaction to my reaction to his vote on me was a complete 180 with no follow-up. I commented it on it earlier and he ignored it, and ignoring an Epi-reference is not something I usually see him do because his ego is quite large."

Then Master Radish said about you:

"In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset."

And your response was:

"It is a good point about Epi though. I skimmed his big Made post collections because I was in catchup mode, I need to go back and read them more thoroughly, same with synopsis someone did about how the votes flowed at EOD. Right now, I'm in online school Zoom meeting, so I'm not deep diving into anything. My Epi opinion excludes analysis of his N1 content."

So my question is really more when you get the deep dive done and you fold in N1 where do you land on Epi? Right now I think his N1 overshadows his his reaction to your reaction on his vote BUT I learned a long time ago Epi is capable of pulling the wool over my eyes.
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:00 pm Radish’s progression on Guillo isn’t really there.
Progression:

I sort of thought his borderline-hostile and paranoid attitude was towny at first, considering this is a new environment for him. Then it felt laid on a bit thick and in my mind he began to drop. His vote on Made was awkwardly placed as well, iirc. Then, when I decided to drop a vote, GTH Made felt scummier but I love a good D1 podrace and so I voted Guillo to put it 6-5 to see what might happen. Nothing did, which is disappointing, beyond a halfhearted attempt to wagon me, which was also disappointing considering those usually succeed and then I wouldn't have to be here.

It's still not me, Dizziella. I'm low-key enjoying this, though, since you proclaimed you could read me super easily after one game together. :shifty:
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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Master Radishes wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:42 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:00 pm Radish’s progression on Guillo isn’t really there.
Progression:

I sort of thought his borderline-hostile and paranoid attitude was towny at first, considering this is a new environment for him. Then it felt laid on a bit thick and in my mind he began to drop. His vote on Made was awkwardly placed as well, iirc. Then, when I decided to drop a vote, GTH Made felt scummier but I love a good D1 podrace and so I voted Guillo to put it 6-5 to see what might happen. Nothing did, which is disappointing, beyond a halfhearted attempt to wagon me, which was also disappointing considering those usually succeed and then I wouldn't have to be here.

It's still not me, Dizziella. I'm low-key enjoying this, though, since you proclaimed you could read me super easily after one game together. :shifty:

Dizzy also said that he was you didn't he? Or was it the other way around?
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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:39 pm Seeing Sean as possible scum seems like a really weird idea to me, and those who are considering it should walk us through it and not just mention it. Nanook and LC for example. I feel Sean is spewed town.

I really don’t get Nanook’s insistence on that scum would want to sacrifice Made over Guillo. Seems like a random assumption to me. Guillo had already said they were less motivated in the thread, they both had a big wagon, they didn’t know each other, why would there obviously be a preference? His sureness of Radish also puzzles me a bit. But sometimes I think Nanook can’t help but be a contrarian =p

Thing is, for me Made/Guillo/Radish actually makes a lot of sense as a team. Guillo already seemed a bit demotivated. It’s possible he was ok getting bussed or voted. Made voted Guillo, but argued more against Tutu. And why did Radish vote Guillo? When I askes him earlier in the day he said town for Guillo (with an added caveat which actually sounded like distancing to me). So when did he decide Guillo was a good vote anyway and why? Considering motivation and movement I don’t think this is a far off theory.

I can’t really argue against the Tony/Made interactions looking real bad though. I’m not entirely convinced Tony is scum, but the interactions doesn’t look great.

(I started writing this some hours ago. Hope it’s not outdated.)
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Master Radishes wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

As for his individual explanations, aside from the one about me, they are all anchored in specific moments. It feels…nitpicky, like he’s found one specific scummy moment and is blowing it up into a full case.

In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset.
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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:24 pm
Hally wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:10 am i still want him to do things, but i find it unlikely this is the approach he takes to the game as a wolf especially with his teammate getting a lot of heat and ultimately eliminated D1. i feel like wolf!him would feel compelled to make himself more town read as he saw how D1 was unfolding so as not to let his team down
Not sure about that tbh.
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Seanzie wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:29 pm This is a great synopsis of EoD. Just as an addition, I will say that from my perspective, an MR chop did seem reasonably likely in the moment. I am definitely not the best player here, so Idk how good of a perception I truly have of the thread as a whole, but I've seen EoD CFDs happen pretty much just as often as they don't in early days of a game. Also, I think once I moved off Guillotine, the chances of a Guillotine chop were virtually zero. I honestly think that the only reason MR didn't get chopped was just because a lot of people weren't around EoD. Maybe I am wrong about that, but with Marmot, me and Made all moving in that direction, others very easily could have followed.

As such, I don't necessarily buy all the arguments made for a Made/MR team with distancing. It felt to me in the moment that Made's vote was an honest attempt to get MR lunched, and that an MR CFD was viable. Not sure what that is worth, but since a lot of people have been talking about it, I'll say that even if it ended up at 6/4 Made/MR, this isn't obviously bussing from my perspective.
i mean, i think radishes would only really have been viable if someone else came in last minute to switch to him. but nobody else was there. it definitely could have happened if more people were there
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:02 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:42 pm I've already alluded to having LC in my own PoE. His rainbow list up there is really just feeding that suspicion.

It’s more or less, minus I’d say Epi, a consensus list. That's fine in itself, but it feels quite...evenly spaced. He even has his yellows as Nook and Seanzie, two slots who haven’t really received suspicion but also haven’t really received firm townreads from others. If the wolf team is going to need to work for some extra mischops, those are two of the options they need.

As for his individual explanations, aside from the one about me, they are all anchored in specific moments. It feels…nitpicky, like he’s found one specific scummy moment and is blowing it up into a full case.

In particular, his read on Epi is pretty weak, or at least certainly not strong enough to overcome the amounts of work Epi has put in recently on finding Made connections. I don't mind LC's explanation itself so much as the fact that it alone seems enough to ignore anything else Epi has done, which doesn't feel like it's coming from a townie mindset.
ok I don't know where my color option went but 1) I'm not worried about chopping nook and 2) is this actual TMI?
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Re: Bike [Night 1]

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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:51 pm
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Seanzie wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:36 pm
Made wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:35 pm So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.
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In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

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I think instead you should read it in the voice of Bubbles when Bubbles hit her head and thought she was Mojo Jojo.
No. Read it in the voice of HIM.
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I mean it would be cool if I was but

There’s like one person that might NK me and even they wouldn’t lolol
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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:39 pm Seeing Sean as possible scum seems like a really weird idea to me, and those who are considering it should walk us through it and not just mention it. Nanook and LC for example. I feel Sean is spewed town.

I really don’t get Nanook’s insistence on that scum would want to sacrifice Made over Guillo. Seems like a random assumption to me. Guillo had already said they were less motivated in the thread, they both had a big wagon, they didn’t know each other, why would there obviously be a preference? His sureness of Radish also puzzles me a bit. But sometimes I think Nanook can’t help but be a contrarian =p

Thing is, for me Made/Guillo/Radish actually makes a lot of sense as a team. Guillo already seemed a bit demotivated. It’s possible he was ok getting bussed or voted. Made voted Guillo, but argued more against Tutu. And why did Radish vote Guillo? When I askes him earlier in the day he said town for Guillo (with an added caveat which actually sounded like distancing to me). So when did he decide Guillo was a good vote anyway and why? Considering motivation and movement I don’t think this is a far off theory.

I can’t really argue against the Tony/Made interactions looking real bad though. I’m not entirely convinced Tony is scum, but the interactions doesn’t look great.

(I started writing this some hours ago. Hope it’s not outdated.)
i was meaning to ask radishy about his guillo vote but didn’t want to pester him more

@Master Radishes when you voted guillo you said he was scummy. can you walk me through that read and what changed on it since earlier? and where are you at with him now?
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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:00 pm Radish’s progression on Guillo isn’t really there. I swear, Made/Guillo/Radish crash and burn scum team makes things make sense.

Tony/Radish seems unlikely.

I guess these be my final thoughts and then I may or may not be here for next day.
i also kind of doubt it’s tony/radishes
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 4:58 pm Okay I'm not sure if I can really turn this around and if I can I'm not starting until Day 2 but I was just scanning my champs games and thought to myself "yeah that's how I want to be playing" but first I have to clean my room
this might be dumb but this low key feels pretty villagery
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Master Radishes wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:42 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:00 pm Radish’s progression on Guillo isn’t really there.
Progression:

I sort of thought his borderline-hostile and paranoid attitude was towny at first, considering this is a new environment for him. Then it felt laid on a bit thick and in my mind he began to drop. His vote on Made was awkwardly placed as well, iirc. Then, when I decided to drop a vote, GTH Made felt scummier but I love a good D1 podrace and so I voted Guillo to put it 6-5 to see what might happen. Nothing did, which is disappointing, beyond a halfhearted attempt to wagon me, which was also disappointing considering those usually succeed and then I wouldn't have to be here.

It's still not me, Dizziella. I'm low-key enjoying this, though, since you proclaimed you could read me super easily after one game together. :shifty:
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if i die my legacy is that tutuu and dizzy are in charge
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the people i’m pretty sure are just town are like

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jules

i feel marmot, lc and epi are probably too but i could see them as deep wolves. so this is were i would look if the game gets hard

then we have guillo, radishes and tony who it appears will be the next three eliminations in some order, which i don’t really take issue with. there should be at least one wolf in there?

consider this my legacy ig, but also follow what tutuu and dizzy say
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wot

who vigged nanook

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tutuu wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:01 pm wot

who vigged nanook

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