Bike [END]

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: MartinGG99] aubergine I know I originally said after EoD that Guillotine was town, but the more I thought about it, and the more I heard that bussing is common here, the less I believed myself. I think Guillotine is more likely to be scum than Radish, so I'm going here.

[TonyStarkPrime]

tony, vig the counterwagon N2 please

I asked tutuu and chose the second name she said :P

[TonyStarkPrime]

Or maybe third idr

[Seanzie]

I can't believe Tony vigged Nanook after Nanook's outlandish bragging about definitely not being killed Night 1.

@juliets I'll dive back in for you-know-what in a couple of hours. RIP deadies.

Yeah, I think this is a good point, and I am a bit curious about TSP's actions. @TonyStarkPrime, What did you think about Nanook saying they wouldn't be killed N1? Did you see that, and if so, what did you think about it?

Also, does anyone else think of the Travelling Salesman Problem every time they see TSP in the thread?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I saw it and thought “haha I’ve already submitted a vig shot on you”

[tutuu]

well i said if tony is town it has to be MR and one between nook/guillo. so second and a halfth

[tutuu]

I saw it and thought “haha I’ve already submitted a vig shot on you”

lmao

[Marmot]

tutuu if I'm town who's the wolf

MR and one between Guillo/Nanook

If it's made / mr / nanook then I'll be content taking a chop i guess

I guess that checks out

[Seanzie]

I saw it and thought “haha I’ve already submitted a vig shot on you”

You didn't think about revoking your vig shot at all based on it?

[Marmot]

All my video mafia friends are dead and there's only forum mafia friends alive. Much sad.

[Seanzie]

I briefly consider the possibility that the "mechanical intrigue" is that there are actually only two wolves, and one of them is an infinite vig to make up for there being 11 town, but if that was the case, TSP wouldn't have come forward (or made a mistake doing so) since even if we don't yeet him, by F3 we will know how many wolves there are, and if there are only 2, TSP kind of has to be one.

[Seanzie]

All my video mafia friends are dead and there's only forum mafia friends alive. Much sad.

Are you saying we aren't friends? And I was going to invite you to my birthday party...

[Marmot]

All my video mafia friends are dead and there's only forum mafia friends alive. Much sad.

Are you saying we aren't friends? And I was going to invite you to my birthday party...

I haven't played video mafia with you... have I?

Maybe I have and I've forgotten.

[tutuu]

btw if ur town sorry or tunneling u so much @TonyStarkPrime

[Seanzie]

All my video mafia friends are dead and there's only forum mafia friends alive. Much sad.

Are you saying we aren't friends? And I was going to invite you to my birthday party...

I haven't played video mafia with you... have I?

Maybe I have and I've forgotten.

No, this is the first game we've played together, but it is forum mafia, and I am just guessing I am not the one friend from forum mafia you have left in this game :P

[Marmot]

All my video mafia friends are dead and there's only forum mafia friends alive. Much sad.

Are you saying we aren't friends? And I was going to invite you to my birthday party...

I haven't played video mafia with you... have I?

Maybe I have and I've forgotten.

No, this is the first game we've played together, but it is forum mafia, and I am just guessing I am not the one friend from forum mafia you have left in this game :P

But noooo! I have many forum mafia friends alive! You all are!!!!

[TonyStarkPrime]

I saw it and thought “haha I’ve already submitted a vig shot on you”

You didn't think about revoking your vig shot at all based on it?

I had already switched my vig shot enough times but I clearly considered it

[Hally]

[yin, they]

all scum have talked at this point, we will be locking in grogu as town.

Hot take. This post is tmi.

hot take: no it’s not

[Hally]

What kind of monster is Hally and how is she number 2 in posts????

im an alien shapeshifter

Is this an alien softclaim? Did you abduct me last night?

How To Tell If Your Hally Is An Alien Shapeshifter:
- Apply moderate but steady pressure d1 and observe their reaction.
- If your Hally is genuine, you will notice a distinct morphing of their facial features into an "anime" or "chibi" style resembling the kaomoji (〃＞＿＜;〃), their arms will turn into fingerless drumsticks and begin rapidly vibrating up and down, and they will emit various phrases such as "no bulli!" and "give me space!" and "but why!"
- On the other hand, if your Hally remains in a photorealistic human form and responds calmly with phrases like "That's unfortunate, but I hope we can work together!" and changes the subject, you have an alien shapeshifter on your hands and should quickly excuse yourself and break the glass on the nearest eod flamethrower.

[Hally]

we should leash tony’s shot just to be safe

[Seanzie]

All my video mafia friends are dead and there's only forum mafia friends alive. Much sad.

Are you saying we aren't friends? And I was going to invite you to my birthday party...

I haven't played video mafia with you... have I?

Maybe I have and I've forgotten.

No, this is the first game we've played together, but it is forum mafia, and I am just guessing I am not the one friend from forum mafia you have left in this game :P

But noooo! I have many forum mafia friends alive! You all are!!!!

Oh! Sorry, I misread your post, and thought you said "and there's only ONE forum mafina friend alive." Haha, sorry!

[Seanzie]

I saw it and thought “haha I’ve already submitted a vig shot on you”

You didn't think about revoking your vig shot at all based on it?

I had already switched my vig shot enough times but I clearly considered it

Why didn't you offer that information when I originally asked you about how you felt about Nanook's comment?

[Seanzie]

It is dead right meow...

[TonyStarkPrime]

I saw it and thought “haha I’ve already submitted a vig shot on you”

You didn't think about revoking your vig shot at all based on it?

I had already switched my vig shot enough times but I clearly considered it

Why didn't you offer that information when I originally asked you about how you felt about Nanook's comment?

I didn’t consider it to be important. Do you think it is important?

[TonyStarkPrime]

we should leash tony’s shot just to be safe

I tsp promise I will only shoot vegetables from now on

[Seanzie]

I saw it and thought “haha I’ve already submitted a vig shot on you”

You didn't think about revoking your vig shot at all based on it?

I had already switched my vig shot enough times but I clearly considered it

Why didn't you offer that information when I originally asked you about how you felt about Nanook's comment?

I didn’t consider it to be important. Do you think it is important?

Yeah, a bit. Nanook's comment could have been interpreted as evidence that Nanook was PT. As if he was trying to act nonchalant about his own death to avoid getting NK'd.

I was a bit worried about you potentially fake-claiming, but honestly, the more I think about it, the less likely I think it is. Unless there was some other way for scum to create two NK's, the only reason I can see for a fakeclaim would be to draw out a town vig, but the timing of your claim doesn't make sense with that, and also if there was a town vig, they could just keep quiet and shoot you tonight instead of counter-claiming. So no, it probably isn't actually important. You are just town. Good to know.

[TonyStarkPrime]

While you’re thinking about fake claim possibilities I made it pretty obvious in a few points in the night what my intentions were

[Seanzie]

While you’re thinking about fake claim possibilities I made it pretty obvious in a few points in the night what my intentions were

Yes, fair enough, I see that now looking at your ISO. So, like

TonyStarkPrime
tutuu

snowmelts/Hally

Grogu/juliets
Long Con
Marmot
Epignosis

Master Radishes

Guillotine/MartinGG99

Seanzie

[Dyslexicon]

Good luck, town!

[tutuu]

lol

[Marmot]

I miss Dizzy

[Seanzie]

While you’re thinking about fake claim possibilities I made it pretty obvious in a few points in the night what my intentions were

Yes, fair enough, I see that now looking at your ISO. So, like

TonyStarkPrime
tutuu

snowmelts/Hally

Grogu/juliets
Long Con
Marmot
Epignosis

Master Radishes

Guillotine/MartinGG99

Seanzie

No, the above is wrong. It is more like


TonyStarkPrime
tutuu

snowmelts/Hally

Grogu/juliets

Marmot

Long Con
Epignosis
Master Radishes

Guillotine/MartinGG99

[Long Con]

we should leash tony’s shot just to be safe

Careful, he's known to go off-plan with rogue shots!

Tony, why did you claim so early?

[Epignosis]

Epi is one of the only player that I know if strongly anti-bussing. I usually suggest it on very early in the game when I'm scum, but if Epi's on the team, he belittles the idea.

So let’s say someone bussed

tutuu
Dyslexicon
Hally
juliets
Epignosis
Guillotine

Least-to-most-likely?

Eh?

[Epignosis]

Spoiler: show

Question. What kind of bear is best.

A polar bear, but only bearly

What is your opinion of Seanzie?

I do not have opinions. I operate on a binary model where I only discern truths from falses. And since I am a member of the Town, I shall only state facts. Seanzie is a member of the Town.

Okay ms tutuu, riddle me this:

This statement is false.

where's the lie? WHERE IS THE LIE?

The lie is in your request. You know that the statement is a paradox with no correct answer, ergo, requesting of me to find the lie in something you know has no lies is a faulty and disgenuine command.

or a turing test

linki: I've played with dunya a few times before i disappeared. I also know to fear Epi. We lylo'd in the first vocoroo mafia. It basically ended in rap battle...that I lost

I'm pretty sure it was my progressive rock number that did you in.

I have decided that Made is Town-aligned.

And what drove this decision?

Okay ms tutuu, riddle me this:

This statement is false.

where's the lie? WHERE IS THE LIE?

The lie is in your request. You know that the statement is a paradox with no correct answer, ergo, requesting of me to find the lie in something you know has no lies is a faulty and disgenuine command.

or a turing test

linki: I've played with dunya a few times before i disappeared. I also know to fear Epi. We lylo'd in the first vocoroo mafia. It basically ended in rap battle...that I lost

I'm pretty sure it was my progressive rock number that did you in.

prog rock is just for math rock for the WEAK

I don't know how to respond to this.

@Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Guillotine?

I know I told you I'd tell you my thoughts on Guillotine, but I decided I will not.

No, I'm still cogitating on the existence of that post, including the followup in which Guillotine asks Made for an explanation ( ).

Rather than look at the refusal to elaborate, I want to highlight something else:

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

This seems like an over-explanation. The first reasoning is "I can't explain them with words." The blue adds to the excuse unnecessarily.

ok I read through tutuu's ISO and have a question about the votes for her - is the main reason for the votes that she has tonally shifted in this game from her tone in other games and on discord? Someone, I can't remember who, said that it doesn't really make good sense to open your role card, see you've drawn mafia and made a decision to shift your tone in this game. I tend to agree with that. I haven't ISO'd her voters so maybe I'll find some additional reasons there but feel free to talk to me here about the additional evidence.

Also, I'm not going to do many ISO's tonight because I process much better in the morning and I want to watch the Cleveland v. Pittsburg game. For those who don't know me, I tend to play early in the day and not as much as night.

So I iso'd Tutuu and half way through I caught myself reading all of her post in the voice of Mojo jojo.

Spoiler: show

In of itself that's not alignment indicative, but like in combo with her 180 tone shift from Shadows it's sus

2 mafia down, looking for the last one now.

Can we talk about these two posts? Why did Made and juliets both chime in after long absences and iso tutuu??

Juliets just joined the game tonight how long could her absence have been

All of eternity perhaps.


I guess what I mean is that they both were quite behind on the thread, but they each iso'd tutuu in the process of their catch up. It's a coincidence that I just now recalled.

I'd say you answered your own question.

oh, townlean seanzie. he seems neat

Tell me more! Specifically how neat I am!

But seriously, any reason for the townlean?

I just like the cut of your jib. I can point to specific jibs if you'd like

Yes please!

I think in general jib is Nai.

Are you British?

Yes, I think Vaguely Ohio is somewhere just east of Leicestershire, I'm sure of it.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

Tell me why this is wrong.

I'm reconsidering my townread of Epignosis. Above is every interaction he had with Made. Most of these are off topic or fluffy. In one post he did ask tutuu why she townread Made. Thats's the closest to talking about him in the context of this game that Epignosis gets. This isn't how I'd expect Epignosis to handle a teammate, but it's not how I'd expect him to handle Made as town either if I think about it. I think I'd expect more probing and at least one question directed at Made or a post as to why he thinks Made's scum. Epignosis aside, I think these interactions are teammate compatible.

Then he votes for Made.

At least with the other votes that Epi made throughout the day that look like serious votes, he explained reasons for them. I suppose it's possible Epignosis wasn't serious? Then again, his first post after the flip was "It's better to be lucky than good". I don't think he'd call himself lucky if the vote was a joke, he'd admit it was a joke.

@Epignosis What did you mean by "Tell me why this is wrong" in that vote post?

If my other votes don't look like serious votes, nobody takes them seriously.

I plopped my vote on Made and went to bed. With my only good time to be here late in the evening, I peeked in here before the votes locked to make sure I was satisfied with the vote takers. I was. I left it at that. My vote wasn't a joke.

Only one of my Day 1 votes was a joke.

"Tell me why this is wrong" is exactly what it sounds like. I'm asking why I'm stupid for voting the person I'm voting, or, si tu préfères, "Why is the person I am voting for a civilian?"

[Marmot]

Why was he not civilian in your eyes?

[Epignosis]

Why was he not civilian in your eyes?

Made did nothing to make me believe otherwise.

[Epignosis]

i’m ready to get hero vig’d next

I almost shot you first but the better angels pushed me away

i don’t doubt it. when you’re a vig, follow the consensus poe, not your own. think of your role as another chop, not an opportunity to kill whoever you want

Can you imagine how much I hate such a role?

[Epignosis]

What kind of monster is Hally and how is she number 2 in posts????

Unemployed and childless, would be my first guess.

[Epignosis]

I'll be back in an hour maybe. I have Romans to conquer.

[Epignosis]

Also, [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine.

[Long Con]

I'm going through your ISO Epi... what do any of your conclusions mean? Headless dolls, Ric Flair, horny jail... what is this?

[Long Con]

Also having some trouble posting right now... there's a bigger post with multiple Epi quotes I am building because my smaller posts weren't going through for a while there. But I'm having trouble judging your analyses, you talk about a bunch of factors, and then I go to see what you concluded, and it's some weird analogy I don't understand.

[Marmot]

What kind of monster is Hally and how is she number 2 in posts????

Unemployed and childless, would be my first guess.

Same tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

we should leash tony’s shot just to be safe

Careful, he's known to go off-plan with rogue shots!

Tony, why did you claim so early?

I was asked if I shot Nanook what was I supposed to say

[Seanzie]

Why was he not civilian in your eyes?

Made did nothing to make me believe otherwise.

I mean, this may or may not be true, but it is hard to judge if you are town or not based off responses like this. Were there specific things you were looking for? Did Made do ANYTHING towny that you noticed? Did Made to ANYTHING scummy that you noticed? Is there any reason to believe that your vote was not TMI?

[Epignosis]

I'm going through your ISO Epi... what do any of your conclusions mean? Headless dolls, Ric Flair, horny jail... what is this?

I'm not answering this.

[Epignosis]

Why was he not civilian in your eyes?

Made did nothing to make me believe otherwise.

I mean, this may or may not be true, but it is hard to judge if you are town or not based off responses like this. Were there specific things you were looking for? Did Made do ANYTHING towny that you noticed? Did Made to ANYTHING scummy that you noticed? Is there any reason to believe that your vote was not TMI?

I don't care what's hard to judge or not hard to judge. I don't answer on the basis of how easy it is to judge something. I answered the question.

I already said I voted Made and fucked off to bed. I didn't think much about it.

When I came back, Made was the big consensus. It worked out. I'll take the dub however I get it.

[Seanzie]

Why was he not civilian in your eyes?

Made did nothing to make me believe otherwise.

I mean, this may or may not be true, but it is hard to judge if you are town or not based off responses like this. Were there specific things you were looking for? Did Made do ANYTHING towny that you noticed? Did Made to ANYTHING scummy that you noticed? Is there any reason to believe that your vote was not TMI?

I don't care what's hard to judge or not hard to judge. I don't answer on the basis of how easy it is to judge something. I answered the question.

I already said I voted Made and fucked off to bed. I didn't think much about it.

When I came back, Made was the big consensus. It worked out. I'll take the dub however I get it.

Are you concerned about me figuring out if you are town or not?

[Long Con]

I'm going through your ISO Epi... what do any of your conclusions mean? Headless dolls, Ric Flair, horny jail... what is this?

I'm not answering this.

I really don't think it's an unreasonable question.