Bike [END]

[juliets]

what if the nanook death was due to some unknown unannounced compensation for reasons i dont know towards the wolves, and tony took the opportunity to claim it

tutuu what do you mean by unknown unannounced compensation? Can you give an example?

[juliets]

i disagree. i think it’s valuable for you to share your thoughts no matter how undeveloped or confusing they might be. it’s not as though you can’t change your mind later and anything that will help us read you has a point

well if you want to know I'm looking at Epi (who voted a mafia) right now and as of the moment I'm leaning him town

Eventually I'm going to get to the point of where he departs from the ideas of Tutuu and Hally saying that I'm scum (both of whom voted the mafia on D1)

and that's what I'm curious in right now

why is it that two of the D1 mafia voters are on me

but no one else followed them on that so far

especially the others on the D1 mafia wagon

Martin, I was one of the ones who voted mafia Made Day 1. I have not voted for you because I have not ISO'd Guillo yet to see if I agree with those who have voted for you that you/he are mafia. I don't tend to just follow people even if I think they are town (which I do think about tutuu and Hally) without my own analysis. I plan to do an iso of Guillo and re-read your posts this morning/early afternoon.

[tutuu]

what if the nanook death was due to some unknown unannounced compensation for reasons i dont know towards the wolves, and tony took the opportunity to claim it

tutuu what do you mean by unknown unannounced compensation? Can you give an example?

tony for instance when hosting his game i believe didnt announce when he handed out a compensation but not 100% sure, i could be misremembering

in sloonei's radiohead game hally was made to be strongkill-able as a compensation and that wasnt announced after their death (which i believe should have been, perhaps)

u should announce that as a host, depending on the situation, some hosts here dont (i believe) which most of the times is a mistake cuz its unfair, the players cant assume that it happened so they can assume the wrong thing about the mechanics of the game and it can become a mechanical mess

anyway its just my paranoia over hosting decisions ive seen on the syndicate that i disagree with / im still tunneling tsp. poor guy

anyway forget it, this isnt important

[tutuu]

i dont believe martin's eraticness is genuine, he is day and night compared to how he was as nurse wilgy in my game. roleplay aside martin in my game was calm and logical, extremely similar to how he was in sprityo's shadow game. this eraticness that he's presenting himself with here doesnt seem real (to me). it reminds me of when alison made the lie of "I am very emotionally frustrated." as quokka in her trademark stoneface deadpan tone, and it made sloonei laugh

[tutuu]

i felt the opposite towards MR, i felt hostility behind the way he lashed out yesterday so i'm gonna decide to townread him i think. ive been waffling. but

as of right now i desire to scumread martin and tony and i wish to completely ignore all mechanics because mechanics is what makes us lose game after game after game on this site and if we trust our reads we would have won so many games that we otherwise lost

i dont believe mafia would have a 1-shot vig in a 10v3 setup with 10 vanilla roles and 3 prs and yet i still wanna disregard the mechancis

[tutuu]

actually u know what, i had a fun thought

[tutuu]

Hi everyone. I want to use this space to thank the host in advance for this game, the players for playing, let’s have fun.

Two things you must know about me.

1) Everything i post after this one is “in character”.

2) Im a guy but I dont care what pronouns you use to refer about me. So if you are one of those players who play considering others as slots not as people and use whatever pronouns in the heat or rush of the moment. Do not worry, i could care less.

That being said i will fo my best to respect your wishes and call you by the pronouns you wish to be called, but if i fail so, please know that it’s not out of spite. Just give me a heads up.

this made an impression on me (the one in big letters) but i didnt mention it because its my first time meeting guillo. perhaps part of how he is

he says that everything after this he will post in character, yet i noticed no noticable roleplay or change or persona or something (the way for instance i "changed" my "persona")

guillo had a lot of weird and quirky and erratic posts. for instance this one:

The reason why I have you in orange is because you've been tunneling a town the whole day phase. No other reason. I'm not misrepresenting your tone or any other stuff regarding the way you choose to play the game, unlike you are doing to me.

Tutu, I literally don't have one single scum read. I'm not tunnelling anyone. If I'm tunnelling someone, I will give you a written notice, you can be sure of it. Me in champs finals on Phighter. That was me tunnelling. I'm trying to figure out your alignment because I'm used to instantly think you're town, and in this game I didn't have that feeling.

Who is the "town" in question Tutu? how do you know the player is town? Did you get a N0 check or something?

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

ISO him, he had multiple posts of this nature that are just so weird and make u go ??? as u read them

now martin comes in, and he mentions "character" multiple times [edit: this isnt rly true. im keeping this line cuz this was my thought process but i believe what martin mentioned was "did guillo claim my character?" or smth like that]

he comes in and asks "why not ask me to CHARACTER claim" or something i believe he mentioned

this leads me to believe martin is one of the three power roles and regardless of his alignment, the way his role functions is that he is encouraged to roleplay as this quirky / wacky / erratic "character", and that's why he's making the posts that he's making, and that's why guillo was acting the way he was. that's why guillo said "everything after this i will post "in character" because perhaps that part of his wacky role.

this is a very wild and "out there" theory but im not trolling i swear, im genuinely being rational and this is what im coming up with, idk. (that martin's role encourages him to make weird posts)

@Hally @juliets

(maybe this is dumb idk), but regardless, i think the following has some merit:

like this is a closed setup IIRC

asking whether im a PR or not can be one of the most pointless things imo

because the amount of claims as to whether they're vanilla or not could be fake depending on the circumstances or nuances

im certain martin is a PR (regardless of his alignment), idk if he realized this is heist setup with 3 max PRs when making this post. if he thinks its absurd to ask ppl whether or not they're PRs in a closed setup, i think this means he believes its a standard closed setup, ergo role madness-y, ergo a lot of power roles, ergo he's one of the power roles

(ok the whole quirky character thing - forget it, thats almost certainly silly, but martin is PR)

[tutuu]

POV: you scumread TSP

[TonyStarkPrime]

like this is a closed setup IIRC

asking whether im a PR or not can be one of the most pointless things imo

because the amount of claims as to whether they're vanilla or not could be fake depending on the circumstances or nuances

Max of three non vanilla roles

[TonyStarkPrime]

I apparently got some interesting feedback last night but I don't think it has any utility to say it right now (heck it might not be useful in the future except maybe confirm someone) so I'll save it for later

oh i meant to quote this

this clearly seems like a claim of some sort to me

Yeah its a claim that I got feedback, and that I'm saving to say what that feedback was until later.

I also make it clear that feedback wasn't caused by me in the parentheses. If I were, say, a role-cop and I found out someone's role, that would confirm both me and them. But that isn't what happened, unless I was for example, a role-cop who got role-blocked with fancy feedback and thus I know someone caused that but have no means of confirming myself as a result of that feedback.

Yes, I'm not a role-cop, but there are also other possibilities from your perspective.

I don't think its a worthwhile train of thought or questioning though given that I think its going to be quite NAI or if it is somehow AI it's going to be a very weak AI.

what is the point of being coy about it now that you’ve said this? it’s better to just be transparent

tbh it seemed obvious to me

[TonyStarkPrime]

guillo was acting pretty pr-ish though so the claim tracks with that

JOAT soft JOAT soft

[TonyStarkPrime]

I never said anything about my role at all until you brought it up and interpreted it as it being my pr

I've been saying / trying to say that quote by me wasn't about my role at all.

what other sources could you possibly receive feedback from?

So many sources

[TonyStarkPrime]

Note:

Characters are randomly assigned to alignments: any character can be a civilian or a mafioso (there are no independents). However, characters are not randomly assigned to roles. Any character with which a non-vanilla role is associated has been given an innocuous fake character claim.

Also, I'm going to be a tad late (maybe 10 minutes). Bear with me.

mafia power roles are given specifically tailored fake claims

They’re vanilla fake claims it’s not all that exciting

[TonyStarkPrime]

My fake claim is “Archibald”

[TonyStarkPrime]

Can’t soup me on that one it’s not real

[TonyStarkPrime]

i dont want to clear scummy players off of mechanics or claims, i still want to kill tony over people like marmot/epi/seanzie etc

well we’re not killing a claimed vig today. and i think it’s unlikely that there would be a scum vig in a 13er. but we should leash his shot to be safe

Not wanting to get shot is >rand wolf and I’m not even joking

[TonyStarkPrime]

what if the nanook death was due to some unknown unannounced compensation for reasons i dont know towards the wolves, and tony took the opportunity to claim it

wolves given a vig shot as unannounced compensation is a hmm

[TonyStarkPrime]

I understand (I think) what he's saying about various ways to get feedback but I don't know what made him so upset. I need to read Guillo, which I'll do right after breakfast.

I was getting pretty upset reading it tbh

[TonyStarkPrime]

what if the nanook death was due to some unknown unannounced compensation for reasons i dont know towards the wolves, and tony took the opportunity to claim it

tutuu what do you mean by unknown unannounced compensation? Can you give an example?

tony for instance when hosting his game i believe didnt announce when he handed out a compensation but not 100% sure, i could be misremembering

in sloonei's radiohead game hally was made to be strongkill-able as a compensation and that wasnt announced after their death (which i believe should have been, perhaps)

u should announce that as a host, depending on the situation, some hosts here dont (i believe) which most of the times is a mistake cuz its unfair, the players cant assume that it happened so they can assume the wrong thing about the mechanics of the game and it can become a mechanical mess

anyway its just my paranoia over hosting decisions ive seen on the syndicate that i disagree with / im still tunneling tsp. poor guy

anyway forget it, this isnt important

Small point but I did announce.

[TonyStarkPrime]

And Jay definitely (probably) would he’s a purist

[juliets]

I understand (I think) what he's saying about various ways to get feedback but I don't know what made him so upset. I need to read Guillo, which I'll do right after breakfast.

I was getting pretty upset reading it tbh

So TSP are you saying you see why he was so upset? If so can you tell me why it was upsetting? I want to understand.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Enough of this let’s do game work

[juliets]

Enough of this let’s do game work

But are you going to answer my question or no? It is game work.

Also I am iso'ing Guillo right now.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I understand (I think) what he's saying about various ways to get feedback but I don't know what made him so upset. I need to read Guillo, which I'll do right after breakfast.

I was getting pretty upset reading it tbh

So TSP are you saying you see why he was so upset? If so can you tell me why it was upsetting? I want to understand.

My impression is Martin felt like 1) he was being forced to talk about something he didn’t want to talk about — he came in and asked three questions about the game state, the response was “are you claiming PR” and 2) he was being dragged around, told what to do and the like, behind this veneer of “you can do what you want”.

None of this excludes martin from being mafia, and it makes him more likely PR

[juliets]

I understand (I think) what he's saying about various ways to get feedback but I don't know what made him so upset. I need to read Guillo, which I'll do right after breakfast.

I was getting pretty upset reading it tbh

So TSP are you saying you see why he was so upset? If so can you tell me why it was upsetting? I want to understand.

My impression is Martin felt like 1) he was being forced to talk about something he didn’t want to talk about — he came in and asked three questions about the game state, the response was “are you claiming PR” and 2) he was being dragged around, told what to do and the like, behind this veneer of “you can do what you want”.

None of this excludes martin from being mafia, and it makes him more likely PR

Ok I gotcha. Thanks for the explanation.

[juliets]

My apologies that this is so long. Writing out my thoughts sometimes helps me clarify my reads. If you don't want to read it skip to the end where I give you my conclusion.

Reading Guillo -

Guillo's first set of posts were about how he didn't understand D0. I thought most of that was ok - I mean I think we're the only ones who have that - until the post quoted below. His post seems to say "I don't know what I was thinking" but how could he have already forgotten what he was thinking? It makes me wonder if he was just really laying back because he was a wolf and didn't want to get his hands dirty. (Maybe I'm being too picky though.)

Spoiler: show

Because as i said, i didnt know what D0 meant.

Sure. But you do know that we all have our roles and that we are posting in the thread. So I'm just wondering how you think it could not count towards reads.

I am a little confusion. I'm not sure how much it matters to me.

Bruh. I don't know, If i ignore things i assume things, maybe i was afraid of looking dumb given how long i've been playing mafia, so i wanted to see how everyone played in D0 before i came in and make an ass out of myself i dont know lol.

Everywhere i've played, the days start at D1.

I said in an earlier post that I felt like Guillo just wasn't accustomed to our site norms and style and those playstyle differences might lead us to believe he was mafia. I'll see if I still feel that way going through his posts but here is an example of what I was talking about.

Spoiler: show

I suspect you though. I don’t trust people giving easy townreads early D1 or in this case D0.
Why do you town read all those people?

I think this is pretty normal for Tutu tbh. It's pretty normal for a lot of players, myself included. They even tend to be good. =p

If this is the case then im gonna have a hard time playing here.
I’m not a trusting player. My style is you are guilty until proven otherwise.

I disagree with his conclusion in this next post. I don't see how tutuu's post was the least bit confusing.

Spoiler: show

The mechanical intrigue part is missing in the OP, keep it in mind and don't forget about it please.

My guess would be a Mafia Framer and Town Cop, or perhaps a Mafia role that invalidates player's votes (Jay likes roles that mess with vote powers) or perhaps it's a Cop 13er where all Town are unaware Millers and the Mafia are all Godfathers.

I scum read you hard for this. So early and you are already trying to create confusion.

I don't understand this vote. Everything he had been talking about was about tutuu. Maybe if I read it in context it would make more sense.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

FoS

Dyx
MasterRadishes

Oh yeah, I remember this post now. Didn't like it at the time, don't like it now.

Spoiler: show

Hi guys. I told Seanzie yesterday that I would elaborate on my suspicions but I decided I will not. Reason is because I can't explain them with words, I just remember how the players felt as a whole after I interacted with them, so I'm gonna wait before providing solid reads that wolves can use to determine whether or not I'm a NK candidate.

He votes Tutuu but takes it back almost immediately when tutuu explains she was saying Dizzy was tunneling her. He had misunderstood. He then goes back to TSP with his vote which we never got an explanation for in the first place.


Then Seanzie votes for him and he responds. Maybe this is just the "used to a different set of site norms" thing I referred to earlier but it just leaves such a bad taste in my mouth not to explain your reads when you are placing a serious vote (as opposed to a pressure) vote. And what made him think he wouldn't get yeeted that day?

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

I'm not sold on town!Tutuu, but I'm going to trust Nanook and Tutuu for today. Guillotine does not look good to me though, so this seems like a good place for my vote.

It's fine. But I control my reads and I will not submit to peer pressure to post them, besides, I will not get yeeted today.

I kinda like the questions he asked MR in his post below. I underlined what I liked to be clear.

Spoiler: show

Pretty sure we're all town and this is just a bastard game.

Maybe we're all wolves.

This is either high level WIFOM or you are not a wolf. I think high level WIFOM.

I was going to defend tutuu because I wuv her, but this

Nothing I have posted has been scummy. The scumreads on me are silly.

is exactly my thought process/reaction when I rand scum and get caught early for stupid reasons.

Tutuu pls don't be a wolf.

Why were you going to defend? Did you town read her before this post, if so why?
If not, was this an attempt to pocket her then?

Guillo makes the post about town not making up things to push people on and votes Epignosis but then retracts his thoughts after Long Con made up something to push Guillo so I'm skipping that. He also voted Long Con during that time period. He then unvoted and voted Made, saying he wouldn't be around for EOD and the vote for Made was a self preservation vote.


In this post, his last, he says he should receive no credit for voting Made. This seems too honest for a wolf post but am I being naive?

Spoiler: show

Bruh. I work 12 hours a day, I was hoping I could catch up. Did it say in the sign ups it was open night?

No, it’s just a thing here. It’s weird, I know. Should probably warn new players about it.

Ppppffff

I will not read anything that happened during Day 1 then but I will say this.

I deserve no credit for voting on Made. I did it for just two reasons:

1) Self-Preservation
2) And I sheeped tutuu whom I town read.

To say that I voted Made thanks to my own due process would be a lie.

After spending some time with Guillo's posts I can see him as mafia. I didn't like that he pushed tutuu as scum and then voted for TSP. That makes no sense to me other than he might have been trying to whip up votes for tutuu without committing himself, something I sometimes see mafia do. I also didn't like that he refused to explain his vote for Tony or his reads on Dizzy or MR who he pointed the FOS at. Mafia who are not experienced sometimes have trouble explaining the "why" behind who they suspect. But then what about that last post? It just doesn't sound like a wolf to me but maybe there was some ulterior motive I just don't understand.

I'll read over Martin in a little while - hopefully he will come back and post some more so if he is indeed town we can see it.

Please argue with me if you are seeing Guillo as town or think I have something wrong about him. Or add something I may have missed that is significant.

[Marmot]

just let me prove myself as town THROUGH SOME NON-NAI WAY

thank you

But can NAI things reeeeeally be townie?

[Marmot]

I'm curious as to why Dizzy got night-killed instead one of the top-posters though.

That looks weird to me, though I haven't read their ISO.

Nanook I happen to come across that he was apparently vigged by Tony?

Dizzy was like number 2 or 3 in posts at the time.

[Marmot]

Assuming I'm not overthinking though I've read a fair bit of Tutuu and Hally's ISOs and I think based off the interactions (or lack thereof) here they're both likely to be town.

Tutuu I could be slightly skeptical of but a she's said multiple times that she's been wrong scum-read before and I think my reasons for scum-reading her are potentially bad as she could do them as either alignment.

Hally seems okay nothing bad there, though I haven't seen a scum-game of theirs. Regardless, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. She was more interested in the semantics rather than her explaining herself when I kept mentioning the issue.

what are your reasons for scum reading tutuu?

and re: the last sentence about me - can you elaborate on why that’s villagery iyo?

1. Mostly because of bad reads in terms of who has flipped so far and the role-card that I got.

2. No explicit evidence of self-consciousness. You could be experienced and capable of faking that, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt. I also think wolves can, in some cases, feel more threatened by replacements as they can come in the thread with completely new or fresh thoughts.

I think you should read Made's iso and look at his handling of tutuu as well.

[Marmot]

Like I believe that Tutuu was townspewed by Made.

[Marmot]

because it sounds like a role that could be any alignment

I'm leaning on it being a town role-unless it has clear negative utility. It didn't seem to have any negative effect on me unless it says "hey you're going to die in the next two days!"

I just don't see it being used by wolves unless JJJ wants to dodge usual setup tropes or concepts such as the wolves having PR roles that can always help to advance their position

Additionally, there's the question as to WHY I was targeted with such an ability. Given that I was one of the highest wagons on D1, isn't it plausible to assume that the wolves had NO REASON to target me, and only towns did?

Weren't you the one arguing that pr's in this game are randomly assigned to alignment? Not directly, but if a pr belongs to a specific character, and that character's alignment is random, doesn't that make the pr random in terms of alignment?

[Marmot]

Sorry that you're frustrated Martin.


On the other hand, I'm uncertain why you're voting for me. I have 2 votes right now, and the reasoning for both is

[MartinGG99]

i don’t know why you’re getting bent out of shape about this

Well what I quoted

was, in my opinion, a very stupid statement by a player who I believe is more than capable of knowing that "they could be any alignment" with regards to PR's is a statement that really ignores the nuances in forum mafia regardless of the usual or unusual nature of a setup.

Yes, this setup may be odd or unusual. But that doesn't mean that suddenly all the roles that could be beneficial for town or are seen as less beneficial for the mafia, are suddenly the scummiest PRs imaginable, nor does it garuntee it even being the case for even one of them.

I mean, seriously? It also seemed even more contradictory to the purpose you asking if I was claiming PR, which to me, seemed to be because of your scum-read of me. Problem being, you just said "[PR's] could be any alignment" and that's contradictory to you (what seems to me) trying to use my role, or what you saw as an odd PR claim, as a means of investigating my alignment.

Which made that whole initial interaction with me even more confusing.

Since we were clearly having problems for the past (hour?) or so at that time, I decided to leave the thread for awhile before I got more agitated over our differences.

[Marmot]

I understand why you're frustrated. I don't want you to be though.

[MartinGG99]

if it made me laugh its >rand fake

]

Tutuu,

If you scum-read me of it, then please don't say its fake. As either alignment, I do not manipulate my emotions so that they are faked. They are real. If they have a scummy purpose to them, that's because I'm being deceptive about my emotions, not being manipulative.

If you think its "fake" then please instead say something along the lines of, say,

"Martin is being self-conscious as a wolf right now and so thats why they blew up"

Or something like that. Or any other of the hundreds of scum-paints one can think of.

Just don't call my emotions fake, and I hope you didn't intend it that way.

[MartinGG99]

wait I read that wrong did I?

is it

>rand = more than likely

or

<rand = more than likely

[MartinGG99]

wait I read that wrong did I?

is it

>rand = more than likely

or

<rand = more than likely

I always get confused by this. My tends to assume which is which.

[TonyStarkPrime]

> = more than

Crocodile teeth point towards the bigger number because crocodile is hungry

[MartinGG99]

i disagree. i think it’s valuable for you to share your thoughts no matter how undeveloped or confusing they might be. it’s not as though you can’t change your mind later and anything that will help us read you has a point

well if you want to know I'm looking at Epi (who voted a mafia) right now and as of the moment I'm leaning him town

Eventually I'm going to get to the point of where he departs from the ideas of Tutuu and Hally saying that I'm scum (both of whom voted the mafia on D1)

and that's what I'm curious in right now

why is it that two of the D1 mafia voters are on me

but no one else followed them on that so far

especially the others on the D1 mafia wagon

Martin, I was one of the ones who voted mafia Made Day 1. I have not voted for you because I have not ISO'd Guillo yet to see if I agree with those who have voted for you that you/he are mafia. I don't tend to just follow people even if I think they are town (which I do think about tutuu and Hally) without my own analysis. I plan to do an iso of Guillo and re-read your posts this morning/early afternoon.

Okay, fair enough.

I didn't realize you replaced in. I just thought people might've been pushing for my elimination since later parts of night 1. Hence, enough time had already passed.

[MartinGG99]

> = more than

Crocodile teeth point towards the bigger number because crocodile is hungry

Thanks.

So it does work like math.

[juliets]

I will be back a little later.

[MartinGG99]

i dont believe martin's eraticness is genuine, he is day and night compared to how he was as nurse wilgy in my game. roleplay aside martin in my game was calm and logical, extremely similar to how he was in sprityo's shadow game. this eraticness that he's presenting himself with here doesnt seem real (to me). it reminds me of when alison made the lie of "I am very emotionally frustrated." as quokka in her trademark stoneface deadpan tone, and it made sloonei laugh

You say you're scum-reading me for (seemingly) not being genuine as compared to my past town games; being less logical.

Are you saying that I am scum for not being aware of what I generally do, most often, as town?

Or is it more complicated than that?

Also, yes I've been erratic before. It just doesn't happen every single town game I have. I think you saw a fair amount of erratic me for parts of the Grassland games earlier last year.

[MartinGG99]

Max of three non vanilla roles

Oh, its a heist.

Well, I guess its better sharing the information tbh.

Well, actually, I have to ask the host because I can't exactly "paraphrase" it.

[MartinGG99]

Okay, so what I got last night was, exclusively, an image.

It was a black-and-white picture of a lightly-colored bike partially submerged in (what I guess is) quicksand. The bike had no seat to it.

It was titled "A haunting vision".

Oh, and the picture had a white border around it sorta like a picture frame.

Now the reason why I think this might be not negative utility is because apparently someone else died on N1 along with the usual mafia kill.

Which makes me think there may not be another extra kill power out there aside from host compensation, but I don't really speculate on that, especially since I'm not aware of anything that has happened warranting that.

Unless its some sort of arsonist-like role with a smaller mafia?

[MartinGG99]

Anyways since there's only at most 3 power roles I figured I should mention it rather than keep it hidden.

[MartinGG99]

Also I hardclaim vanilla.

If you thought my entrance was "because I am a PR" then please get out of here.
As a saying; not literally asking you to leave the game!

[TonyStarkPrime]

yeah ok

[MartinGG99]

In response to the Juliets wall on Gulio here

In top-down order for each spoiler/note.

1. They were quite confused by the D0 obviously, and probably felt out of place. That creates anxiety for people regardless of alignment IMO, and depends more on their personality as to how they handle that. Additionally, Jay said this at the start of day 0:

It is Day 0. Day 1 will begin at 6:00 PM EDT tomorrow the 9th of January. You may treat this day as an ordinary game day, but there will be no voting until Day 1 begins. The primary purpose of Day 0 is to allow players to become aware the game has started and to check in. The thread is open.

If Gulio relied on this even partially, then they would have little reason to expect that D0, as per what Nanook implies in that quote, is or can be heavily involved in people's reads.

2. Okay.

3. Now, I'm not Gulio, but I do believe I can sympathize with it to a degree for a few reasons. Firstly, in my first town game here on TS with Tutuu I did at some point heavily scum-read her for (if I recall) bad reasons. Secondly, as Tutuu herself has noted multiple times this game, she is or was a frequent miselimination. People, in general, seem to have a hard time with Tutuu without having played with them before.

4. Last time they talked about Tutuu for the time of this quote was ~32 hours ago. And considering this game had ~1200 posts by the end of day 1, it isn't too inconceivable that they change their mind a little bit until later as a lot of posts had likely happened since then. Additionally, with their past post that you quoted, they work on a "guilty until proven innocent" mindset; in a sense one person is still guilty but is just less suspicious than other "guilty" persons. Though that may be stretching it a bit.

5. Okay. I could chop this up to "just having self-consciousness as part of being in a new community" buuut considering wolves are self-conscious as well, at least in the ideal world, that probably isn't going to fly (by you guys)....

6. No idea. I can't think of anything other than bringing up a "hey guys you're trying to yeet a new player in your community on day 1" card. But I doubt they were thinking that. Maybe they were just over-confident in themselves; I'm not Gulio and I don't really know them.

And the next two spoilers are pro-town-gulio, thus having no comment from me.

[MartinGG99]

Honestly #5 and #6 are kinda contradictory.

All I can say is that not every human being will be absolutely rational at all times.

Sometimes we just act erratically, or have external pressures unrelated to the game that make playing the game either a problem in the game or a problem for us as people.

[Long Con]

Thanks for clarifying, Martin. I guess we wait and see if someone else gets one tonight? You are hoping it can clear you?