Bike [END]

[Marmot]

What is this coffee tell, I've heard of it but am unfamiliar.

[Seanzie]

Nooo, I made a case why I think he's teammate compatible with Made and voted him earlier today lol

Sorry, I forgot about that. It is early and I have not had enough coffee yet.

oh god

oh no

please tell me i’m not seeing this

is this an honest to goodness coffee tell?!

What is a coffee tell, other than me telling you that I am groggy?

are you even a PerC’er if you don’t know the coffee tell?

I'm not exactly a PerC'er. I'm a MafC'er. I only started playing recently, my first game was on QuickTopic with a bunch of people from PerC as they were moving to the new site, MafC, and then I started playing on MafC, so I never actually played on PerC.

[Hally]

LC and MR haven't voted yet and I don't particularly like that.

It also looks like LC is the only one who seems to agree with me about Epi, and one of my strong townreads has discouraged me there, so I'mma drop it for now since it doesn't look viable. I'm watching you though Epi!

[VOTE: MartinGG99] aubergine

What am I, chopped Marmot?

You are pushing Epi as town. That would be a disagreement.

why is epi not town? you say he’s not a busser, but you think this time was the exception?

There are a few exceptions, so this wouldn't be *the* exception. When I look at Epi's posts, they're pretty bad, and more than once it's been "oh yeah, but he doesn't like bussing." It's only one factor, not a religion. He's not anti-bussing like Glorfindel is anti-lying. And none of that means Epi never places a final vote on a teammate. Maybe he just didn't expect the Made wagon to take off. Maybe he didn't actually come back online until after the chop. MAybe he did come back at the last minute and thought "it will be very suspicious if I move my vote now!"

why are epi’s posts bad? what’s bad about them? i feel like i’m not seeing it because to me they seem like standard town!epi posts. am i missing something?

Hally, how do you tell the difference between Town!Epi and Scum!Epi? Do you have tells you look for?

i don’t know, i feel like he was less “in yo face” when i saw him wolf. he has this maverick vibe rn that i feel he has as town

[TonyStarkPrime]

Wow, that vote spread surprised me!

if Martin doesn’t show up and solve the game here I’m voting for him

So what? He's already the only current contender. You think your vote will have any effect on him?

You’re right.

EVERYONE VOTE FOR LONG CON SO MY VOTE CAN MATTER

[TonyStarkPrime]

isk

[Hally]

the coffee tell is a tell owner of a lonely heart came up with to catch dizzy in one game where he was scum many moons ago. apparently dizzy used to mention needing coffee a lot when he was scum as a way to preemptively excuse his posts being subpar. the coffee tell has since come to apply generally to players saying things like “i’m so tired rn” as they post. it’s thought that scum are more likely to make those kind of excuses than town

but mostly it’s a meme at this point

[Marmot]

Kind like Made's jib-tell?

[Hally]

Kind like Made's jib-tell?

not really? but close enough

[Seanzie]

the coffee tell is a tell owner of a lonely heart came up with to catch dizzy in one game where he was scum many moons ago. apparently dizzy used to mention needing coffee a lot when he was scum as a way to preemptively excuse his posts being subpar. the coffee tell has since come to apply generally to players saying things like “i’m so tired rn” as they post. it’s thought that scum are more likely to make those kind of excuses than town

but mostly it’s a meme at this point

Oh, okay. This checks out. I said "I'm tired" in a game once, and people jumped on me for it, so yeah that is a thing there:P Fortunately, that game I had a mason-claim to fall back on.

[Hally]

the coffee tell is a tell owner of a lonely heart came up with to catch dizzy in one game where he was scum many moons ago. apparently dizzy used to mention needing coffee a lot when he was scum as a way to preemptively excuse his posts being subpar. the coffee tell has since come to apply generally to players saying things like “i’m so tired rn” as they post. it’s thought that scum are more likely to make those kind of excuses than town

but mostly it’s a meme at this point

Oh, okay. This checks out. I said "I'm tired" in a game once, and people jumped on me for it, so yeah that is a thing there:P Fortunately, that game I had a mason-claim to fall back on.

our site may change but some things will always stay the same

[Hally]

i don’t know, i’m not going to stop people from chopping epi if that’s what people really want. but i think martin and probably radishes at minimum should go before epi

i will stop people from chopping tony though, because he’s town

[Long Con]

Take this post for instance, Hally. Why did he do this? Did he follow up? Is it something he was talking about? Is it a pressure vote? He voted Seanzie since.

How is the game different if this post doesn't exist?

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Why is this townread? I don't get it, is this what you call maverick?

[Hally]

tony has lowkey had some villagery posts since D1. it’s not just his claim. but i don’t feel like belaboring this. he isn’t scum though

[Long Con]

tony has lowkey had some villagery posts since D1. it’s not just his claim. but i don’t feel like belaboring this. he isn’t scum though

I agree with this.

[Hally]

Take this post for instance, Hally. Why did he do this? Did he follow up? Is it something he was talking about? Is it a pressure vote? He voted Seanzie since.

How is the game different if this post doesn't exist?

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Why is this townread? I don't get it, is this what you call maverick?

well why don’t you ask him?

[Hally]

i don’t know how moving his vote around a ton is supposed to be wolfy though. who cares if he doesn’t have a reason or doesn’t say it? sometimes villagers just do stuff because they want to and they can. changing votes a lot without a lot of justification is >rand town though. scum tend to vote less often and feel the need to over-explain the votes they do make. so unless that kind of voting is a known scum tell for epi specifically it’s villagery if anything, not wolfy

[Long Con]

Take this post for instance, Hally. Why did he do this? Did he follow up? Is it something he was talking about? Is it a pressure vote? He voted Seanzie since.

How is the game different if this post doesn't exist?

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Why is this townread? I don't get it, is this what you call maverick?

well why don’t you ask him?

Because this is how he answers questions like that:

I'm going through your ISO Epi... what do any of your conclusions mean? Headless dolls, Ric Flair, horny jail... what is this?

I'm not answering this.

[Long Con]

i don’t know how moving his vote around a ton is supposed to be wolfy though. who cares if he doesn’t have a reason or doesn’t say it? sometimes villagers just do stuff because they want to and they can. changing votes a lot without a lot of justification is >rand town though. scum tend to vote less often and feel the need to over-explain the votes they do make. so unless that kind of voting is a known scum tell for epi specifically it’s villagery if anything, not wolfy

Ok, that's fine. I don't always understand why people give town and wolf leans, and I don't know that I believe what you said about scum is at all true.

[Seanzie]

Take this post for instance, Hally. Why did he do this? Did he follow up? Is it something he was talking about? Is it a pressure vote? He voted Seanzie since.

How is the game different if this post doesn't exist?

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Why is this townread? I don't get it, is this what you call maverick?

well why don’t you ask him?

Every time anyone has asked him about his votes, he just quotes the ISOs he did last night, and then I go look at the ISOs, half the points on the person are good, half are bad, and Epi's conclusion is incomprehensible. When he voted for me, I asked him why, and he did this, but I swear he could have also decided to townread me and give the same evidence for his townread. Same thing with Marmot, his justification for voting Marmot was his ISO from last night, but it seemed to me like his Marmot ISO is as middle-of-the-road as it gets. Again, I feel like if he choose to townread Marmot rather than vote Marmot, he would have just quoted the same ISO and expected us to come to a different conclusion based on it.

[Hally]

not answering questions is also generally >ramd town. but now i’m just being a pain. suspect him if you want, i’m not his lawyer

[Hally]

watch him be scum now. that would happen

[Marmot]

tony has lowkey had some villagery posts since D1. it’s not just his claim. but i don’t feel like belaboring this. he isn’t scum though

I do agree with this. I'm just not hardclearing him as town just for being a vig like I know some of you are.

[Marmot]

not answering questions is also generally >ramd town. but now i’m just being a pain. suspect him if you want, i’m not his lawyer

As someone who ignore questions all the time as scum, I disagree.

[Hally]

sorry, i should clarify. ignoring questions altogether is not villagery. responding to questions by saying you intentionally won’t answer them is though

[Marmot]

I'm not answering any more questions until I've had my coffee

[Hally]

I'm not answering any more questions until I've had my coffee

a town tell and a scum tell in the same post?! marmot, you broke me

[Hally]

clearly this means marmot is 3P

[juliets]

Sorry I have not been around this morning, had some discord business to take care of. I am reviewing Sean right now and then I'm going to go back to Epi and read him again.

[Long Con]

sorry, i should clarify. ignoring questions altogether is not villagery. responding to questions by saying you intentionally won’t answer them is though

You mean, only if you're Epignosis, right?

[Hally]

sorry, i should clarify. ignoring questions altogether is not villagery. responding to questions by saying you intentionally won’t answer them is though

You mean, only if you're Epignosis, right?

no, i mean generally. i have no idea whether it applies to epi specifically though

[Marmot]

If Martin is scum, I do think Epi is a reasonable partner for a couple other reasons.

1) Martin vote for me early Day 2. He didn't explain why, but later admitted that he sheeped Epignosis thinking Epi had a good reason, and not realizing Epi was OMGUS voting. That's how I interpreted this anyway. I could see this coming about because Epi said in chat that he could mischop me today. Martin could just be sheeping the townplayer who did a bunch of ISO's last night, not realizing that the player with a bunch of reasons to vote a bunch of people actually made an unreasonable vote. I think it's the former, but am willing to be convinced otherwise.

2) I explained to Martin why I thought Epi was teammate-compatible with Made and asked his opinion. Rather than answer my question, he responded by telling me I could make a better argument for juliets being Made's partner. This post looks like a deflection.

[Marmot]

clearly this means marmot is 3P

Dayum, you've caught me twice today in two different alignments

[Hally]

i think if martin actually did sheep epi that’s more likely to mean they aren’t aligned. ime teammates don’t openly sheep each other’s votes because they’re self conscious that it will make them seem aligned. scum are more likely to sheep town than fellow scum

[Master Radishes]

Please let the coffee tell be real.

[Master Radishes]

Player salad and coffee tell in the same game would be *chefs kiss*

[Master Radishes]

Has anyone even done an iso of seanzie yet? I'm keeping up albeit not retaining everything, but I don't remember anyone seriously actually trying to sort seanzie one way or the other. A few little things, sure, but I feel like he's not gotten close attention.

I have no reason to think he's scum, but he's definitely in that mid-range of presence level where good wolves try to hide themselves. Dunno. It's probably worth a look later.

[juliets]

Has anyone even done an iso of seanzie yet? I'm keeping up albeit not retaining everything, but I don't remember anyone seriously actually trying to sort seanzie one way or the other. A few little things, sure, but I feel like he's not gotten close attention.

I have no reason to think he's scum, but he's definitely in that mid-range of presence level where good wolves try to hide themselves. Dunno. It's probably worth a look later.

I've just read through seanzie's posts and though I don't agree with him on everything I didn't find anything that really makes him a top suspect in my book. His reasoning for the most part looked good. I did not agree with him on his early tutuu read but he seems to have abandoned his belief that she is mafia. I liked his reasoning after the Day 1 elimination about Guillo being town but like him, I have reversed my opinion on that. I understand his Epi read because Epi does not do a lot of things that help people find him as town - and I'm not sure about Epi myself at this point. Actually I admire Sean's pushing of Epi, not even LC is doing as much pushing as Sean and this is Sean's first game with him.

The only reluctance I have at this point is just a little nag that LC and Sean could be working together as teammates to get rid of a good player, Epi. LC is tricky tricky and Sean is unknown to me. It's just a little nag though, not a big one at this point, it's just something I need to flesh out more.

[Long Con]

The only reluctance I have at this point is just a little nag that LC and Sean could be working together as teammates to get rid of a good player, Epi.

This is probably true.

[Marmot]

Sean and I have mind-melded and we're both town

[TonyStarkPrime]

still no Martin

[TonyStarkPrime]

calling vote swap

[TonyStarkPrime]

M poe remains

[MartinGG99]

I really overslept last night ;-;
at least its not the college semester yet

I agree, I'm just not sure why you pointed me at juliets rather than saying that.

Because it was a valid example fmpov?

I mean, not that I believed in it, but it would be more convincing than say, Made + Epi imo, at least under the logic I gave.

[MartinGG99]

i don’t know why you’re assuming it has anything to do with kp or any utility at all.

Well, it could be a pointless power role aside from self-confirmation but generally power roles aren't pointless

especially since theres apparently a vig here I would imagine that means all the power roles will have some effect, and unless that image was sent via virtue of special mechanics in the setup

I doubt there's 0 utility in it, and given there's a vig already I doubt it has kp attached to it.

However, if I didn't know there was a vig, then it would be reasonable to think it has some sort of KP since the bike in the picture, with the descriptions I gave, is a lot less..."alive" than the ones you see in the host post pictures of bikes, especially since there's no seat on the bike.

[MartinGG99]

though i suppose a player could have sent it through jay. but i don’t know where anyone would find an image like that, is my point

Well my counterpoint is that the message could be pre-determined.

I mean, hosts pre-type up the possible feedback people can receive. Maybe this role can only send just that. Who knows.

And yes, I got it from Jay. As part of my N1 feedback I'm guessing.

[MartinGG99]

Hes mafia if its not tony + marton imo

thank you for justifying (or incidentally agree with) my current vote

[MartinGG99]

also he didnt self-pres to guillo, he could have

Do you think Made was not painfully aware of that while being the top wagon?

Or do you think he was too 1-dimensional to think, what you're proposing with the !scum Gulio idea is, "I can't vote my mafia partners"

[MartinGG99]

Or do you think he was too 1-dimensional to think, what you're proposing with the !scum Gulio idea is, "I can't vote my mafia partners"

like seriously

if he had that sort of thinking

he probably would be trying harder to contribute in the thread

or like the Made from the Shadow Corridors game that I saw imo

[Hally]

Has anyone even done an iso of seanzie yet? I'm keeping up albeit not retaining everything, but I don't remember anyone seriously actually trying to sort seanzie one way or the other. A few little things, sure, but I feel like he's not gotten close attention.

I have no reason to think he's scum, but he's definitely in that mid-range of presence level where good wolves try to hide themselves. Dunno. It's probably worth a look later.

dizzy strongly thought sean was town

[MartinGG99]

Since I think people who think more straight-forwardly are more direct in their efforts to try and decieve the town instea dof being a bit fluffy and distanced a bit / having no direct interactions with anyone in particular