Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[tutuu]

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu

I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.

[112]

Yeah this argument is boring and just cloggifying.

Oh look, there goes 112 making a 't/t' read again.

t/t is the most sophisticated read

ur so basic

this is worse than that time i was called a square

[Justplayingitcool]

Yeah this argument is boring and just cloggifying.

Oh look, there goes 112 making a 't/t' read again.

Seems I turned up to the thread at the worst time.

How's your day Radishes?

My day is the same as every weekend day for the last few months.

But at least it's the half-term now.

God, I miss being at school

[112]

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

[tutuu]

@tutuu

I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.

i dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt be at least from my pov

but ive also noticed that when im scum i tend to get a lot more townread than when im town. and i get tunneled and pushed a lot more as town. altho the sample size is really unequal (only 2 scum games compared to a ton of town games)

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu

I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.

i dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt be at least from my pov

but ive also noticed that when im scum i tend to get a lot more townread than when im town. and i get tunneled and pushed a lot more as town. altho the sample size is really unequal (only 2 scum games compared to a ton of town games)

What I'm trying to say is, what should a townie look out for to read a town!tutuu correctly. Like, you can sort of see where the frustration and paranoia is coming from if you mimic your town play exactly as scum.

[MartinGG99]

I mean, you just need to read her responses to Mac, and everyone else during Mac's casing. She immediately resorts to insulting him and pretending as though she's the victim of some maligning that she's helpless against. She demands a case, gets provided it, and then says she can't work under these conditions, and then uses that to dismiss the case, lol. C'mon.

Okay. Sure. That's a better reason and less vague than "panicking".

I still disagree though, and I hold onto my town-read of Tutuu. I think both Mac and Tutuu are town.

I fact-checked the first response post and I don't see any "insults":

Okay, I did a more thorough look and the only actual insult I found was her directly calling Mac biased here (and "tunneled" at a few points if you consider that an insult):

no im fairly sure dya is town actually

how? I'm still in both metas

oof

there is nothing to off about, you are clearly death tunneled

you asked me to give you stuff to refute but when I do I'm "death tunneled"

Cute.

Verbalise how you had such a strong townread on Thunal?

i refuted your stuff when they were making sense and you were approaching things with a clear head

you are clearly scumreading everything and anything, you are biased and have a knee jerk reaction to call everything i post scummy

i had a strong townread on thunal due to my experience with her, she was in her town meta and i had wrongly scumread her before in grassland so i knew how she can come off as scummy

Everything else was either attributing negative adjectives to things that are actions rather than people themselves or they were logic-based responses to Mac's beliefs, arguments, and claims.

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm just gonna follow Mac's best case for now.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

[MartinGG99]

Sure, she may have dismissed some of his arguments, but she was dismissing them with arguments challenging him to prove the logic behind his claims.

[Justplayingitcool]

I think debating whether tutuu made an insult or not is a waste of time

[MartinGG99]

@tutuu

I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.

i dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt be at least from my pov

but ive also noticed that when im scum i tend to get a lot more townread than when im town. and i get tunneled and pushed a lot more as town. altho the sample size is really unequal (only 2 scum games compared to a ton of town games)

What I'm trying to say is, what should a townie look out for to read a town!tutuu correctly. Like, you can sort of see where the frustration and paranoia is coming from if you mimic your town play exactly as scum.

Not that you're asking me, but I do believe a bit strongly into what I said earlier:

tl;dr

Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.

I'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.

If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.

Well, I mean, I feel like !wolf Tutuu really has a "teamwork" or "for the team" effort spirit to it. I doubt she would waste an opportunity she could have optimized if she knew the flip of a player that was possibly getting deleted.

Additionally, though I haven't mentioned this earlier, I do believe Tutuu gave much more concise or higher quantity/quality of reads in this game (the early game that is) that I felt was on a level completely distinct from her previous scum-games. I think in her scum-games she's a bit more cagey with the information (or lack thereof) she gives in reads, at least in the early game.

At minimun, if she is scum here, her scum game has improved and that was one of my original reasons for town-reading her as I believe she was close to being outside of her scum-range. Its just seems that some people's WIFOM-eters are distorting their perception of where that scum-range ends.

[MartinGG99]

(Or they think Tutuu is that horrible and somehow slipped being mafia with cat

which is lol and a terrible disrespect read)

[MartinGG99]

I think debating whether tutuu made an insult or not is a waste of time

I apologize if it seems a waste of time to you, but to me it felt absolutely worth my time because Tutuu is town and she's on 6 votes.

So whether it is or isn't a "waste of time" isn't entirely up to you bud

[MartinGG99]

For comparison I think it took more than 36 hours on D0/D1 to get more than 5 votes if I recall, maybe more.

This shit needs serious consideration.

[tutuu]

@tutuu

I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.

i dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt be at least from my pov

but ive also noticed that when im scum i tend to get a lot more townread than when im town. and i get tunneled and pushed a lot more as town. altho the sample size is really unequal (only 2 scum games compared to a ton of town games)

What I'm trying to say is, what should a townie look out for to read a town!tutuu correctly. Like, you can sort of see where the frustration and paranoia is coming from if you mimic your town play exactly as scum.

a player being good at scum and mimicing their town game flawlessly doesnt mean that u should needlessly vote them for no reason. that gives u exact rand chance to net a scum flip

i understand not having me in top tier towns cuz i could always be wolfing, sure, but like, didya see mac's actual case? did u see syn's case? like please look at them, for real, thoroughly. i believe that i am able to remove myself from my bias and to call both cases on me illogical and lacking substance or merit even though im the subject of them

the only scumread given on me that has some logic is when mac pointed out how i constantly swapped my reads on cat and thunal. thats it

everything else is absurd and i invite you to, if you want to, check it yourself and form an opinion for yourself

about reading me, perhaps you could just, i dunno, look at the moment and read my soul? idk

like marmot is hard to read and is super good as scum and yet im confident that he's town here even tho his scum range is huge

dya is an amazing scum player and everyone told me "wtf tutuu how can u townread dya by their opening posts" and yet i did and i was right

in conclusion: just be correct

[MartinGG99]

For comparison I think it took more than 36 hours on D0/D1 to get more than 5 votes on any single player if I recall, maybe more.

Ebwop

[tutuu]

I think debating whether tutuu made an insult or not is a waste of time

I apologize if it seems a waste of time to you, but to me it felt absolutely worth my time because Tutuu is town and she's on 6 votes.

So whether it is or isn't a "waste of time" isn't entirely up to you bud

thanks buddy, especially if you're town

if you're mafia my gratitude will be diminished a bit, u have to understand why (cuz i can see what ur doing), but if you're town and you're making all these posts ur making

mwah. kiss!

[Justplayingitcool]

I think debating whether tutuu made an insult or not is a waste of time

I apologize if it seems a waste of time to you, but to me it felt absolutely worth my time because Tutuu is town and she's on 6 votes.

So whether it is or isn't a "waste of time" isn't entirely up to you bud

From my understanding, nobody is voting tutuu because of subjective 'insults', so I feel it isn't really productive?

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu

I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.

i dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt be at least from my pov

but ive also noticed that when im scum i tend to get a lot more townread than when im town. and i get tunneled and pushed a lot more as town. altho the sample size is really unequal (only 2 scum games compared to a ton of town games)

What I'm trying to say is, what should a townie look out for to read a town!tutuu correctly. Like, you can sort of see where the frustration and paranoia is coming from if you mimic your town play exactly as scum.

Not that you're asking me, but I do believe a bit strongly into what I said earlier:

tl;dr

Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.

I'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.

If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.

Well, I mean, I feel like !wolf Tutuu really has a "teamwork" or "for the team" effort spirit to it. I doubt she would waste an opportunity she could have optimized if she knew the flip of a player that was possibly getting deleted.

Additionally, though I haven't mentioned this earlier, I do believe Tutuu gave much more concise or higher quantity/quality of reads in this game (the early game that is) that I felt was on a level completely distinct from her previous scum-games. I think in her scum-games she's a bit more cagey with the information (or lack thereof) she gives in reads, at least in the early game.

At minimun, if she is scum here, her scum game has improved and that was one of my original reasons for town-reading her as I believe she was close to being outside of her scum-range. Its just seems that some people's WIFOM-eters are distorting their perception of where that scum-range ends.

I've not seen tutuu's scum game so I can't comment. I know tutuu was scum in bread mafia but I don't know how that went (even though I was in spec-chat lol)

[MartinGG99]

I think debating whether tutuu made an insult or not is a waste of time

I apologize if it seems a waste of time to you, but to me it felt absolutely worth my time because Tutuu is town and she's on 6 votes.

So whether it is or isn't a "waste of time" isn't entirely up to you bud

From my understanding, nobody is voting tutuu because of subjective 'insults', so I feel it isn't really productive?

No snowflake ever feels responsible for an avalanche or blizzard.

I will scrutinize every argument, and I believe I have combatted and responded to every response as to "why tutuu is on 4 votes" when I came into the thread.

That also means she got two more votes while I was here, despite my re-emphasis she's just town and my arguments for why.

At the very least, if she is town (AND I 100% BELIEVE SHE IS), then I have no doubts there are some hungry wolves (at least one) on that train to delete her. So if that happens despite my efforts, we'll have a better idea who to look at.

[MartinGG99]

Seriously if I am a wolf in a tutuu game one of my objectives will either to manipulate her closely or kill her as soon as possible

like mac their thread presence is significant and can be game-changing

only way they don't get deleted is if the wolves trust a deep wolf(ves) will win the F3/F5.

[MartinGG99]

(Or they're a 3P but as I said fuck that idea for now)

[tutuu]

martin can u link ur last scum game pls? if its offsite thats fine too

[Justplayingitcool]

@tutuu

I've only played with you one game, and I was scum in Radiohead. What would you say is the key difference between how you play as scum compared with town. I know you said you mimic your town play, but I'm wondering if there's an obvious difference between the two plays.

i dont think theres a key difference, and there shouldnt be at least from my pov

but ive also noticed that when im scum i tend to get a lot more townread than when im town. and i get tunneled and pushed a lot more as town. altho the sample size is really unequal (only 2 scum games compared to a ton of town games)

What I'm trying to say is, what should a townie look out for to read a town!tutuu correctly. Like, you can sort of see where the frustration and paranoia is coming from if you mimic your town play exactly as scum.

a player being good at scum and mimicing their town game flawlessly doesnt mean that u should needlessly vote them for no reason. that gives u exact rand chance to net a scum flip

i understand not having me in top tier towns cuz i could always be wolfing, sure, but like, didya see mac's actual case? did u see syn's case? like please look at them, for real, thoroughly. i believe that i am able to remove myself from my bias and to call both cases on me illogical and lacking substance or merit even though im the subject of them

the only scumread given on me that has some logic is when mac pointed out how i constantly swapped my reads on cat and thunal. thats it

everything else is absurd and i invite you to, if you want to, check it yourself and form an opinion for yourself

about reading me, perhaps you could just, i dunno, look at the moment and read my soul? idk

like marmot is hard to read and is super good as scum and yet im confident that he's town here even tho his scum range is huge

dya is an amazing scum player and everyone told me "wtf tutuu how can u townread dya by their opening posts" and yet i did and i was right

in conclusion: just be correct

I saw Mac's case and I didn't really understand it at the time, though it was early in the morning iirc.

I sort of saw syn's point in the uh 'make a case on me mac and let me engage' to 'your case is flawed, I'm not engaging with you', but this may have been a disingenuous description of events. And, I'm also suspicious of Syn with how he's handled nutella this game so far.

I do have a bit of tinfoil on you with your scumread on Ted but it's not really enough for me to make me vote for you at the moment. There's bigger fish to fry at the moment, and I feel like made deserves more votes than just me on my lonesome self

[Justplayingitcool]

I think debating whether tutuu made an insult or not is a waste of time

I apologize if it seems a waste of time to you, but to me it felt absolutely worth my time because Tutuu is town and she's on 6 votes.

So whether it is or isn't a "waste of time" isn't entirely up to you bud

From my understanding, nobody is voting tutuu because of subjective 'insults', so I feel it isn't really productive?

No snowflake ever feels responsible for an avalanche or blizzard.

I will scrutinize every argument, and I believe I have combatted and responded to every response as to "why tutuu is on 4 votes" when I came into the thread.

That also means she got two more votes while I was here, despite my re-emphasis she's just town and my arguments for why.

At the very least, if she is town (AND I 100% BELIEVE SHE IS), then I have no doubts there are some hungry wolves (at least one) on that train to delete her. So if that happens despite my efforts, we'll have a better idea who to look at.

k

[Justplayingitcool]

Oh I see Tim has joined me in the made wagon

[TonyStarkPrime]

v/v

[TonyStarkPrime]

new opinion

[tutuu]

before i forget

during night 1 someone visited me and did something

(paraphrased) they threw me a pitch and i get to make the choice whether or not i wanna swing or not, i must decide this today (this isn't related to my role)

if anyone wants to claim this go ahead

if not i will assume this is a scum role and i wont take the unnecessary chance

even if i get yeeted i wont take the swing unless someone hard claims this

i was looking for anyone soft claiming this but didnt see

[MartinGG99]

martin can u link ur last scum game pls? if its offsite thats fine too

Last 3 in order:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Game-Mafia /// Notes: You may want to look at D2 in that game, I defended wagon(s) at points where I could have simply left him. I also was playing with a player (bakermir) from my homesite who knows me a bit. I also took advantage of people not knowing me much.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthre ... d-s-Horror /// Notes: This was a bit of a joke game for me. I never really took it seriously, and the game ended because I conceded in it as the last demon...after busiing my teammate 2 days earlier on d1.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthre ... dder-Game) /// Notes: I took this game quite seriously, but its been so long (and it was basically after 2 months of playing FM) that it may be quite different from my actual scum-game.

I'm actually really concerned for my next scum game, especially if its here, because the bars will be higher ;-;

[MartinGG99]

If you need me to link ISO's for those old games on my homesite lmk and I'll get them to you as soon as possible.

[tutuu]

thanks marti !

[MartinGG99]

Also tutuu didn't you say were going to go away for about 12 hours?

ah this hurts my head

there is at least 1 wolf between syn and martin thats all i can confidently say

ill be gone from the thread for about 12 hours

If this includes sleep you should really get some! Not good to go to sleep under stress or under a small amount of time.

[tutuu]

too addicted but u right. should fight the addiction

[Justplayingitcool]

martin can u link ur last scum game pls? if its offsite thats fine too

I know you didn't ask me, but I wanted to link my most recent scum game for anyone interested (which finished today): https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/118/t2 ... fia-day-3/

I won, naturally.

[Justplayingitcool]

v/v

Who is this referring to (for posteriority)?

[falcon45ca]

Cat will be the day 1 chop. Sorry about your vanity cases. Make comfort with this fact people.

I'm gonna hard push Falcon to make sure we don't have a runaway under your overpowering will.

Deux

The progressions. Like lines in the sand ever so unparalleled. Always destined to cross paths and to arrive at their final destinations. Written in the stars like death.

[giant case of quotes on Cat after his minutes earlier paragraph on Cat being scum]

[unrelated quotes snipped from quote]

I don't really know. TBH, I don't really care at this point.


I am town, and breadcrumbed info about my rolecard. Take it for what it's worth

[VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine


Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

It took them 19 hours to look into or vote cat despite not only responding to a post mentioning cat is scum, but also being present at the time Mac puts out the case when falcon says he has no idea?

[For context, when he was saying "I don't know", he was seemingly being sarcastic towards Tim and for some reason wanted other players to motivate him to do ISO's...]

like wth you don't do this as any alignment IMO

and why did the cat vote requisite needing to go through the ISO

I didn't, it was sarcasm

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh I see Tim has joined me in the made wagon

Yeah, I bitched about preflip associations, and I was...tested...by my paranoia about Mac...but the associatives case on Cat was a hit, and that IMO proves Mac town and makes his case on Made really solid. Unless someone hands me a better wolf on a platter I am very likely to just take this one and glide on towards day three.

[nutella]

Good morning
Oh afternoon I guess but I needed that sleep looool

Haven't caught up but this [VOTE: tutuu] aubergine wagon looks pretty phunky phresh, I'm sold

nutella is wolfin'

Do you have an explanation for this? Why is this your only read and who did you steal it from?
If you had no reads at all it would be very towny but this sticks out as a sore thumb.

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

i have to reach but there are 0 scummy posts posted itt fmpov so im aiming at this

perhaps cat could be scum for pre-emptively explaining "If you had no reads at all it would be very towny but this sticks out as a sore thumb." to his scumread syn

perhaps, if one was town, its more likely that they wouldnt pre-emptively "reveal their hand" like this to a scumread of theirs

Tutuu votes cat

tutuu
MacDougall
nutella
Michelle
Sloonei
Syn

Made
Timsup2nothin
112
cat
Thunal33
MartinGG99

Marmot
falcon45ca
Dyslexicon
JackofHearts2005
DrWilgy
JustPlayingitcool
Long Con
Master Radishes
sig
TurnipHead
TonyStarkPrime

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Hyena
Kylemii

Alison

Tutuu townreads cat

@nutella @Sloonei @Timsup2nothin @Michelle @tutuu @Alison @Master Radishes

May I bother you to read Cat's ISO and give me a summary pleeeease.

i saw some towny stuff and some scummy stuff im at null

Tutuu hedges to null on cat when I ask

@nutella @Sloonei @Timsup2nothin @Michelle @tutuu @Alison @Master Radishes

May I bother you to read Cat's ISO and give me a summary pleeeease.

i saw some towny stuff and some scummy stuff im at null

What was towny and what was scummy?

towny sass and humor

scummy logical post scumreading syn by pointing out one game content post of syn stick out like a sore thumb

Tutuu gives bad evidence for her read when asked

i saw some towny stuff and some scummy stuff im at null

What was towny and what was scummy?

towny sass and humor

scummy logical post scumreading syn by pointing out one game content post of syn stick out like a sore thumb

Where was the sass and humour?

like cmon its there u read his iso right. calling something npc conversation. telling sloonei "and yet u have 150 posts"

But you even voted for cat earlier!

Marmot calls her out on her bullshit

You will be first against the wall when Cat flips Mafia.

Tutuu decides spending the time to make me look like a joke was a valuable use of her time

@falcon45ca penny for your (actual significant) thoughts?

I'm not sure my thoughts are significant. I guess I'm LHF town, cuz I've done nothing significant or noteworthy thus far, which seems to be enough to condemn me for some.


BUT! I'm not gonna fade away, no no! Not on Rex Manning day

I think doing three ISOs in ten minutes is a noteworthy thing.

The claim that you are just an easy chop for lazy folk is disingenuous.

1 of the ISO's has like 10 posts. You acting like the 3 of you had a lot of depth to your ISO's is disingenuous.


You're literally calling me scum for not spending enough time stroking your ego with your ISO. Sorry, I don't belief in participation ribbons. I gave your ISO as much time as I felt it needed.

wait i missed this post

this is towny

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

if this is right cool i can tolerate mac

if this is wrong i will have grounds to tell mac to knock it off

win-win situation

Justifies getting her vote onto the cat wagon and off Falcon via a Falcon townread. Offers over wordy reasoning for it. And the mac stuff is just nonsense.

@cat defend yourself son

lol

i still think thunal is town, i dont for a second see anything scummy she done, her voting falcon instead of the big cat counterwagon lacks self-preservation, i dunno whats anyones problem is with her at least im not seeing it, she seems to be playing her town game in my eyes

and much like cat himself, spends some time at EOD to randomly defend Thunal.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Do you mind explaining?

My suspicion of falcon has kinda dropped now with Cat's flip, and wondering if it was the counter wagon to save cat

i dont think being the cw in such a big game means a lot, chances of w/w wagons arent small, i want to resolve them, its usually the job of town KP

Opens day 2 voting for Falcon who she literally townread on day 1 to the point of jumping wagon.

There you go Tutuu, you managed to talk me into casing you.

[nutella]

Marmot probs her teammate eh

[falcon45ca]

ONE death in a game this size?

I look forward to this game concluding some time in the summer of 2022.

This is not a town mindset

i'm scumreading dizzy but wat

Shouldn't town rejoice at only one death? Dys seems almost disappointed

[Justplayingitcool]

Marmot probs her teammate eh

Maybe.

I don't really get why falcon is a wagon at the moment and the rush to flip them after the cat scum flip

[nutella]

I can forgive individual posts and read switches within that case, but it's the overall plinko board style of handling Cat that I find telling.

I think that the switching from voting, to green, to null, with having not engaged cat at all is >rand mafia.

I think that saying they had "towny sass and humour" as their reason to townread them back to null is >rand mafia because sass and humour are no towny things (exclusively).

I think that the way she townread Falcon in order to get her vote onto the cat wagon is >rand mafia especially in light of the fact that she just put her vote straight back on Falcon at the start of day 2.

I think that the fact that she defended Thunal, like cat did, and then Dya died, is also >rand mafia.

That's four separate things that are >rand mafia.

So ergo, Tutuu is in fact >rand mafia.

Yeah fuck man ur smart

[nutella]

tutuu's concerning me so far

so is thunal

here's a fun post

Rip

[nutella]

Like... tutuu coming into d2 insisting we have to resolve the counterwagon is. Meh. After a scum flip, when instead we can analyze interaction spew etc etc. Sure falcon was scummy but tutuu's mindset coming into the day doesn't sit right

[Justplayingitcool]

If tutuu is scum, Martin is probably a teammate after the HARD defending this page and a half

[nutella]

up to the part where tutuu is trying to discredit mac's case for being silly or whatever. it's a very empty discredit, i think the points are all good and make sense

[112]

ONE death in a game this size?

I look forward to this game concluding some time in the summer of 2022.

This is not a town mindset

i'm scumreading dizzy but wat

Shouldn't town rejoice at only one death? Dys seems almost disappointed

it's highly NAI

i find it odd that that's the one thing you pick out of the thread to respond to

are you just not feeling it this game?

[nutella]

people can change their reads and be town its a concept that exists

What has Falcon done since the towny post yesterday EOD to encourage you to be back to mafia reading and voting him?

i looked over the wagons, acknowledged the cat mafia flip, started thinking how would mafia play out the eod, came to a conclusion that cat was likely bussed due to the way things went (also coz he didnt even try to claim a role), i also like pretty much all voters on the falcon wagon, i dont think it was dirty

from my understanding of game theory flipping falcon is really important to make more sense of day 1

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