Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[nutella]

LC and Nook seem like possible wolf slots hopping on a fresh tutuu wagon that built up some early momentum.

yes they are the most sus on the wagon definitely

[MacDougall]

Sorry I can't move I've been logically dismantled.

[nutella]

Gotta say, this is more votes on tutuu than I expected.

Mac's case is decent but not exactly a slam dunk.

I think his case on Made is way better, and a quick partial read of Made's ISO (yes I have started doing work...not much, but some) looks to me like casting about in a "anyone but me" search for a viable wagon rather than any real attempt to solve.

I think what we have here is a very good case made day one, that produced a wagon too early on day two, and now people are looking for something sexier than "yeah, Mac caught Cat and Made interacting badly in the thread and we just need to finish killing them."

We had the right wagon straight out the gate today and the key is going to be just not getting distracted by every squirrel that runs past us.

maybe.gif

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

[112]

Sorry I can't move I've been logically dismantled.

rekt

[MacDougall]

Logically dismantle me bb

1. MacDougall is a washing machine.
2. All washing machines are being dismantled.
3. Per 1 and 2, MacDougall is being dismantled.

I have become dismantle

[tutuu]

am now at the point where marmot entered thread he looks like tutuu teammate

martin also looking very scummy on that page

martin and marmot are scummy because they are townreading me and/or im townreading them

insightful take

it's not as basic as that lol

marmot's whole pov coming in looks awkward like he sees you are a wagon and is starting to wonder if he should just bus

i think you will benefit if you express opinions by adding phrases like "i think" or "imo" on stuff that you arent that sure about

when you state stuff with utmost confidence and they end up being wrong its just ... i mean u can keep talking like that if u want its ur choice

but this makes no clear distinction of when ur actually confident and i should listen to u and when u are barely confident and are just thinking out loud a thought that u wont hold onto

[nutella]

is there realistically a point in me trying? am i wrong in my read that the majority of people on my wagon are too tunneled and are not very likely to have the ability to get themselves out of their wrong tunnels?

i have had moments of considering worlds where you are town but you keep making posts like this

[112]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

[nutella]

I accused tutuu of wolfing before Mac's case

you would know this

if you would read the thread

Accused isn't pushed.

Right now you are pushing, hard...but your push is all about her reacting to Mac. I already said that IMO this is a bad push, because panicking under a Mac attack is NAI. I'm not the only one to point that out.

Basically I invited you to recenter your push and suggested two things you could center it on...Mac's case, or your initial sus/accusation. Instead, you just snark. If Tutuu is town and goes over you wind up holding a very big bag of snakes and could go over behind her, which if you are town is a big problem.

So, please provide better grounds for such a hard push.

mac's points were good, tutuu dismissed them as silly, they were not silly

if i flip town would u still argue that they were good?

???? what even is the point of this? yes i think a case can have good points and end up wrong, it happens, it doesnt mean the case isnt strong enough to make me want to vote for you

[Master Radishes]

is there realistically a point in me trying? am i wrong in my read that the majority of people on my wagon are too tunneled and are not very likely to have the ability to get themselves out of their wrong tunnels?

i have had moments of considering worlds where you are town but you keep making posts like this

Yeah. If tutuu just shut up for a bit I'd start changing my mind but she just keeps posting.

[tutuu]

is there realistically a point in me trying? am i wrong in my read that the majority of people on my wagon are too tunneled and are not very likely to have the ability to get themselves out of their wrong tunnels?

i have had moments of considering worlds where you are town but you keep making posts like this

there is nothing wrong with it, you are prone to death tunneling and lack the ability to escape on it on your own unless you choose to sheep someone telling u otherwise

[MacDougall]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

Oh you're mafia I geddit

[112]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

add long con

[112]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

Oh you're mafia I geddit

you'd be surprise

[MacDougall]

What's the difference between tunneling and death tunneling? Is the latter just a more dramatic way of saying it?

[MacDougall]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

Oh you're mafia I geddit

you'd be surprise

I'm just looking at it like "where's Made" and "where's Tutuu"?

[Timsup2nothin]

Gotta say, this is more votes on tutuu than I expected.

Mac's case is decent but not exactly a slam dunk.

I think his case on Made is way better, and a quick partial read of Made's ISO (yes I have started doing work...not much, but some) looks to me like casting about in a "anyone but me" search for a viable wagon rather than any real attempt to solve.

I think what we have here is a very good case made day one, that produced a wagon too early on day two, and now people are looking for something sexier than "yeah, Mac caught Cat and Made interacting badly in the thread and we just need to finish killing them."

We had the right wagon straight out the gate today and the key is going to be just not getting distracted by every squirrel that runs past us.

I've yet to make an effort to read Made, so sure.

I think tutuu's responses have been...uninspiring. It's basically just 'why can't a townie do that though'. But her general, um, attitude seems similar to when she was falsely accused in Bike Mafia. She argued back against every little point with a clear sense of frustration, albeit didn't exactly logically dismantle the arguments so much as get a bit AtE-y. That's the same attitude as here.

So I dunno. GTH tutuu is probably scum, but I could go for a tastier case atm.

Made reminds me of me in radiohead. I’d be interested to see if you think the same

Well, you were a wolf there and I think he's a wolf here, so sure. If you want greater depth it's gonna be tough given I barely read here and I barely remember Radiohead. I will say from what little I do remember that Tutuu here sort of reminds me of me in Radiohead, but ymmv.

Im trying to remember what tutuu was like in Radiohead but I don’t really remember due to not making any reads then lol

I don't remember Tutuu from Radiohead either, I just remember that I got "lock scum cased" by Mac and Alison and a bunch of people piled on who had no case of their own and really couldn't show they even followed the case made by Mac beyond "Mac says..." And whenever I told them they obviously had no case (and implied perhaps no brain) I got a face full of "don't AtE, you got cased by Mac so don't be an asshole just shut up and die."

[Master Radishes]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

These are indeed names that have been bandied about more or less recently.

Fam. I just can't get past the interpretation I have in my head that you're playing in the background of the thread.

[Justplayingitcool]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

Why do people want to yeet falcon!

[tutuu]

i think the more optimistic world is where martin is town and he was the voice of reason in a thread full of terrible takes and syn is scum and thats why he wrote all those stuff he wrote

the pessimistic world is where syn is town and he was actually genuine when he wrote all those horrible stuff and martin is the wolf simply saw an opportunity and he took it

when having to choose between an optimsitic and a pessimistic train of thought, from my experience, going with the more pessimistic one is more accurate

therefore, im going to say that i think syn is town and martin is mafia

[MacDougall]

Tutuu who is mafia. Imma life tunnel you instead.

[112]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

Oh you're mafia I geddit

you'd be surprise

I'm just looking at it like "where's Made" and "where's Tutuu"?

made's another good one i forgot about

tutuu i think is town

[Long Con]

LC and Nook seem like possible wolf slots hopping on a fresh tutuu wagon that built up some early momentum.

Not really. I'm not even that serious about my tutuu vote, and I expect to probably reevaluate and change it by the time the day is over. Since then I have seen a good-looking Joseph case about her, and nutella is coming in strong against her. I wasn't trying to build momentum. I even said that I didn't think she needed to worry too much because the votes would likely dissipate before the day is over. I think if she had generally ignored the votes, she'd be in a better spot.

is there realistically a point in me trying? am i wrong in my read that the majority of people on my wagon are too tunneled and are not very likely to have the ability to get themselves out of their wrong tunnels?

I'm not in any way tunnelled.

in this situation if i decide to townread syn and scumread martin its like

its like...

its like im drowning and someone is giving me a hand to save me and i give them the middle finger instead and deep dive into the water myself

and yet ive seen this be the correct play for me to make in this situation

if you are scum martin is your teammate

if you are town martin is whiteknighting you for cred

i think he's just p much always mafia here? lol

but then so are you based on like *gestures at everything*

It's pretty over-the-top defense of her, I thought that made it seem more genuine and towny.

[nutella]

i bet my left kidney that if people werent scumreading me you wouldnt be scumreading me too nutella even if i was making the exact same posts word for word

i like mac's case it is very convincing and the points are good and you are unfoundedly calling them silly when they are not

[MacDougall]

i think the more optimistic world is where martin is town and he was the voice of reason in a thread full of terrible takes and syn is scum and thats why he wrote all those stuff he wrote

the pessimistic world is where syn is town and he was actually genuine when he wrote all those horrible stuff and martin is the wolf simply saw an opportunity and he took it

when having to choose between an optimsitic and a pessimistic train of thought, from my experience, going with the more pessimistic one is more accurate

therefore, im going to say that i think syn is town and martin is mafia

Syn said horrible things?

Bad syn.

[Marmot]

tl;dr

Tutuu's progression on cat is fishy. Her reasoning for her read was weak and when asked for evidence she couldn't really provide any. She drops the cat defense by townreading Falcon and then starts day 2 voting Falcon after Falcon's c/w flips mafia. She, much like our flipped mafia friend, spends time towards the EOD defending Thunal. The mafia then kill Thunal's biggest adversary in the thread.

I'm not convinced. I personally think tutuu would have harder stances on Cat (either way) presuming she were mafia/of-the-same alignment to make the most out of it.

If I recall she specifically likes power-wolfing (and in one particular game really wanted to protect her teammates) but as town she tends to really make a lot of reads (including wrong ones such as the one on !wolf LC in grasslands). It's only inevitable that at some point that will be on a mafia and I would look to some other standard for possible partner-y interactions such as using multiple flipped mafia as evidence or arguments how her playstyle so far benefits or attempts to benefit the mafia team.

That's a good point.

The two times I've seen tutuu as mafia, she did take a hard stance on the two teamates she had baked: Syn in one game she hard defended, and Alison in another game she hard bussed (on the day Alison was baked).

martingg99

macdougall

both start with an m

one of these two players is a very good player and the other player has jumped the shark. im not saying which

I'll just pretend I'm not here.

ONE death in a game this size?

I look forward to this game concluding some time in the summer of 2022.

This is not a town mindset

Sure... But neither is asking for closed nights, but I'm doing that too.

Or maybe it is town mindset. I dunno. It's definitely a sanity mindset.

[Long Con]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

add long con

That's a bad idea, and it's disrespectful to Alison who wants to townside.

[tutuu]

Tutuu who is mafia. Imma life tunnel you instead.

one between syn and martin

if its syn its because the way he has treated me was super outlandish and in bad faith

if its martin its because he had the opportunity to whiteknight a townie who was getting pushed for no sensible reason and he took advantage of it to look really good after the death

nanook, master radishes and long con are all scummy for hopping on my wagon

master radishes hopped out and is looking towny and that could be a reason for why he's scum

falcon and made should die imo

kylemii should die imo

tony could also be whiteknighting me. he townreads me and syn and martin, all 3 of us. but i cant read tsp

dizzy could be maf

i think thats it

[112]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

These are indeed names that have been bandied about more or less recently.

Fam. I just can't get past the interpretation I have in my head that you're playing in the background of the thread.

I am playing in the background of the thread.

[tutuu]

i bet my left kidney that if people werent scumreading me you wouldnt be scumreading me too nutella even if i was making the exact same posts word for word

i like mac's case it is very convincing and the points are good and you are unfoundedly calling them silly when they are not

the points are not good and they are silly

this is the third game in a row where mac reads me the opposite of what i am

[Master Radishes]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

These are indeed names that have been bandied about more or less recently.

Fam. I just can't get past the interpretation I have in my head that you're playing in the background of the thread.

I am playing in the background of the thread.

But I mean it in a bad way.

What way do you mean it in?

[112]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

add long con

That's a bad idea, and it's disrespectful to Alison who wants to townside.

beetlejuice?

[112]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

add long con

That's a bad idea, and it's disrespectful to Alison who wants to townside.

beetlejuice?

nevermind, you made a different post before responding there

[nutella]

am now at the point where marmot entered thread he looks like tutuu teammate

martin also looking very scummy on that page

martin and marmot are scummy because they are townreading me and/or im townreading them

insightful take

it's not as basic as that lol

marmot's whole pov coming in looks awkward like he sees you are a wagon and is starting to wonder if he should just bus

i think you will benefit if you express opinions by adding phrases like "i think" or "imo" on stuff that you arent that sure about

when you state stuff with utmost confidence and they end up being wrong its just ... i mean u can keep talking like that if u want its ur choice

but this makes no clear distinction of when ur actually confident and i should listen to u and when u are barely confident and are just thinking out loud a thought that u wont hold onto

excuse u i am allowed to state things with confidence what the fuck you know thats how i play

come on lol

[Timsup2nothin]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

why not Made?

[Justplayingitcool]

i think the more optimistic world is where martin is town and he was the voice of reason in a thread full of terrible takes and syn is scum and thats why he wrote all those stuff he wrote

the pessimistic world is where syn is town and he was actually genuine when he wrote all those horrible stuff and martin is the wolf simply saw an opportunity and he took it

when having to choose between an optimsitic and a pessimistic train of thought, from my experience, going with the more pessimistic one is more accurate

therefore, im going to say that i think syn is town and martin is mafia

Actually quite like this post

[Justplayingitcool]

I want to chop marmot as well

[nutella]

no clear distinction of when ur actually confident and i should listen to u and when u are barely confident and are just thinking out loud a thought that u wont hold onto

thats because there fucking isnt a distinction between these two things because i dont fucking know *myself* which ideas im gonna hold on to and which im gonna change in the wind thats just how i am pls

[nutella]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

not the first two but otherwise ok sure

i can happily just go back to dizzy lol

[Marmot]

Tutuu who is mafia. Imma life tunnel you instead.

one between syn and martin

if its syn its because the way he has treated me was super outlandish and in bad faith

if its martin its because he had the opportunity to whiteknight a townie who was getting pushed for no sensible reason and he took advantage of it to look really good after the death

nanook, master radishes and long con are all scummy for hopping on my wagon

master radishes hopped out and is looking towny and that could be a reason for why he's scum

falcon and made should die imo

kylemii should die imo

tony could also be whiteknighting me. he townreads me and syn and martin, all 3 of us. but i cant read tsp

dizzy could be maf

i think thats it

Did MR replace out?

I agree on most of these takes. Namely the ones not including Martin, Tony, and Nanook. I townlean Martin and have no opinion on the other two.

[Master Radishes]

I want to chop marmot as well

No one hopped onto Martin with us. That probably means something. I dunno what, but something.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[tutuu]

no clear distinction of when ur actually confident and i should listen to u and when u are barely confident and are just thinking out loud a thought that u wont hold onto

thats because there fucking isnt a distinction between these two things because i dont fucking know *myself* which ideas im gonna hold on to and which im gonna change in the wind thats just how i am pls

after being witness of your statements that were expressed with confidence turn out wrong (im talking about past games) - does that not influence you to be less confident? im just asking

[MacDougall]

Tutuu who is mafia. Imma life tunnel you instead.

one between syn and martin

if its syn its because the way he has treated me was super outlandish and in bad faith

if its martin its because he had the opportunity to whiteknight a townie who was getting pushed for no sensible reason and he took advantage of it to look really good after the death

nanook, master radishes and long con are all scummy for hopping on my wagon

master radishes hopped out and is looking towny and that could be a reason for why he's scum

falcon and made should die imo

kylemii should die imo

tony could also be whiteknighting me. he townreads me and syn and martin, all 3 of us. but i cant read tsp

dizzy could be maf

i think thats it

Don't need thunal's flip?

[nutella]

is there realistically a point in me trying? am i wrong in my read that the majority of people on my wagon are too tunneled and are not very likely to have the ability to get themselves out of their wrong tunnels?

i have had moments of considering worlds where you are town but you keep making posts like this

there is nothing wrong with it, you are prone to death tunneling and lack the ability to escape on it on your own unless you choose to sheep someone telling u otherwise

"is there a point in me trying" is not a town perspective imo (look i did it i said imo)

if you're town you should try to keep solving outside of being pressured and figure out who is the mafia taking advantage of the push etc etc

if you're mafia just getting caught here you may just give up

[nutella]

YEET POOL:

KYLEMII
JACKOFHEARTS2005
FALCON45CA
MARTIN
NANOOK
DIZZY
MARMOT

imo

add long con

ye

[Marmot]

Why do people want to bake Tutuu now that I'm actually townreading her??

[Marmot]

I want to chop marmot as well

No one hopped onto Martin with us. That probably means something. I dunno what, but something.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Hi, can I help you?

[Justplayingitcool]

I want to chop marmot as well

No one hopped onto Martin with us. That probably means something. I dunno what, but something.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Go forth, friend!

[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

[tutuu]

Tutuu who is mafia. Imma life tunnel you instead.

one between syn and martin

if its syn its because the way he has treated me was super outlandish and in bad faith

if its martin its because he had the opportunity to whiteknight a townie who was getting pushed for no sensible reason and he took advantage of it to look really good after the death

nanook, master radishes and long con are all scummy for hopping on my wagon

master radishes hopped out and is looking towny and that could be a reason for why he's scum

falcon and made should die imo

kylemii should die imo

tony could also be whiteknighting me. he townreads me and syn and martin, all 3 of us. but i cant read tsp

dizzy could be maf

i think thats it

Don't need thunal's flip?

you asked me who i think is mafia, not who i think we should chop

in light of these recent events i wouldnt chop thunal soon